If you love The Room, Samurai Cop, & Birdemic, then you won't want to miss the 1993 self-funded indie action-drama Champagne & Bullets (aka GetEven aka Road to Revenge), written/directed/starring visionary John De Hart and based on a true story. LIVE from Portland, Jessica St. Clair brings the rizz as she helps Paul and Jason discuss the amazing Shimmy Slide, all the uncomfortable nude scenes, the black belt poodle, the baby sacrifice cult, the leather and cowboy outfits, bizarre music choices, and so much more.
If you love The Room, Samurai Cop, & Birdemic, then you won't want to miss the 1993 self-funded indie action-drama Champagne & Bullets (aka GetEven aka Road to Revenge), written/directed/starring visionary John De Hart and based on a true story. LIVE from Portland, Jessica St. Clair brings the rizz as she helps Paul and Jason discuss the amazing Shimmy Slide, all the uncomfortable nude scenes, the black belt poodle, the baby sacrifice cult, the leather and cowboy outfits, bizarre music choices, and so much more.
[00:00:00] Paul Scheer: Listen up, you better take your piss stop and protect your human babies because Satan is loose. Oh yeah. And remember to be or not to be. We saw Champagne and Bullets. So you know what that means?
[00:01:00] Music: [Intro song]
[00:01:10] Paul Scheer: Hello people of Earth and hello people of Portland!
[00:01:20] We're on our final tour stop of the Beefcake Tour. That's right. We originally came out on the road as the Doppelganger Tour, but due to our selection of films, it has become the Beefcake Tour. And tonight, well, well, well, we are talking about what some people call the worst movie ever made. You might have watched Champagne and Bullets.
[00:01:55] You might have watched Road to Revenge, and some of you might have watched Get Even. Interesting, a smattering of applause for each one. Here's what I'll say. Champagne and Bullets is the version that you probably should watch if you like excessive nudity.
[00:02:25] Get Even is the one that you should watch if you like, a more violent death of your main bad guy. Wait, what? He made it more violent and then toed it down. Yes. We'll get into all the nitty gritty of how each version is different, but let's just break down what this movie is. Okay. This movie, according to IMDB says,
[00:02:50] "Two cops are fired after being set up by the corrupt boss, who then gets appointed as a judge, but secretly heads a satanic cult. After his wife is killed by the cult, one of the cops is determined to bring the cult down."
[00:03:06] IMDB does not fuck around with their synopsis. They just straight out spoil the movie.
[00:03:13] The wife gets killed with 20 minutes left of the film. This movie was self-funded. This movie was released in 1993. Reshoots happened after. Well, again, we'll talk about it. It's the first time I can tell you though. We found out some information about the director, the writer, the producer, the lead actor, and the musician of the film, John de Hart,
[00:03:48] from LinkedIn.
[00:03:53] Yes, according to LinkedIn, he is the CEO of production company. He is an actor. He is a singer. He is a writer. He is a producer, he is a licensed attorney. He is a real estate broker and a building contractor. And in his own words, good at all of the above. That is what we know. He is still alive, and he does say that he has a script for Champagne and Bullets 2. but he won't make it because you all think it's funny and it was made as a serious fucking film.
[00:04:44] He also says he won't make it because Cindy has passed. So he does not want to, does not want to make a movie without her, because, you know, then he can't convince somebody else to get naked for 90% of the movie. It's a very hard job as you get older and older. Um, I don't know what to say about this movie.
[00:05:05] I was afraid of it. Then I fell in love with it, and then it's left me with this like this. I, I'm in it. I'm still in it to this moment. I'm like, what did I watch? I don't know. We're gonna break it down here tonight. But first, let me introduce my co-host. Please welcome to the stage, Mr. Jason Mantzoukas!
[00:05:35] Jason Mantzoukas: What's up, jerks? Yes, Portland. Let's go. Let's go. It ends here tonight. Last night of the tour. We'll all be dead before dawn.
[00:05:56] Paul Scheer: Jason, June often says this, and I, I think about it a lot. We've been doing this show for a very long time.
[00:06:03] Jason Mantzoukas: A a, a shatteringly long time.
[00:06:06] Paul Scheer: I have never heard of this movie.
[00:06:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Zero zero Knowledge of this... masterpiece. I mean, what did I watch?
[00:06:20] Paul Scheer: This. This movie was given to me by Michael Weber. Uh, a great screenwriter wrote, uh.
[00:06:26] Jason Mantzoukas: The Disaster Artist?
[00:06:26] Paul Scheer: What? The Disaster? Yes. Disaster Artist. Yes. He like, he has, he has a great, he's recommended two movies. He uses his movie selection very sparingly. Yes. Georgio, gave us that.
[00:06:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Incredible.
[00:06:38] Paul Scheer: Then right before the tour, he goes, I think I got one for you. Champagne.
[00:06:43] Jason Mantzoukas: I think, I think I got one. Like, here's the thing, Weber, if you're listening, you know you got one for us. Wow.
[00:06:51] Paul Scheer: This was a gift. It was the last film that we picked and we called an audible in the middle of the tour. Like, fuck it. Champagne and Bullets is going to Portland.
[00:07:00] Jason Mantzoukas: You are welcome. You're welcome. I have never, this is a Pantheon movie for me. This is one of those ones that I know when I open my app. My notes are just chaos.
[00:07:15] Paul Scheer: I absolutely went bonkers for this film.
[00:07:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:07:20] Paul Scheer: On the flight today.
[00:07:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, because you told me it was, you told me there was nudity in the movie. I started it on the same flight, and in my head I said, Paul said there's nudity. The minute there's nudity, I'll switch it to something else. Five minutes, less than five minutes. I was like, wow, this movie is incredible. I need to wait to enjoy and enjoy it in the comfort of my own hotel room.
[00:07:45] Paul Scheer: It never stopped. I just fast forwarded. I was like, ding, ding. 10 seconds. 10 seconds. Like I hit 10 seconds so many times.
[00:07:50] Like still?
[00:07:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, the bathtub scene is I believe, 13 minutes long. I think it's probably, let's get around here. We got it. We got it, we got it.
[00:07:59] Paul Scheer: And now. Our next co-host who has been so gracious to join us on this tour, she is the co-host of the Deep Dive podcast. She is the author of a book to help you small talk better.
[00:08:18] Please welcome to the stage Jessica St. Clair.
[00:08:31] Jessica St. Clair: Hi, guys! Woo. Yes.
[00:08:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Be careful you didn't stretch.
[00:08:38] Jessica St. Clair: Yes.
[00:08:39] Paul Scheer: I will say, Jess, knowing that you were watching this today brought me joy because I was like, I cannot wait just to hear where you're at with this film.
[00:08:54] Jason Mantzoukas: I would, yeah. I wanna know every one of your thoughts about this movie and what you maybe even can imagine it's plot is.
[00:09:01] Jessica St. Clair: I, this is what I'll tell you. Paul starts apologizing for this movie about five days ago. He's like, Ugh, the movie, it's got some weird themes. And I'm like, what kind of weird themes he is. Like, I, I'm gonna look for a different version for you. And I'm like, what?
[00:09:18] Paul Scheer: I did send Jess a different version.
[00:09:20] Jessica St. Clair: He's like, this has a little less, you know.
[00:09:22] Jason Mantzoukas: It's funny, you treat Jess like your dad treated you.
[00:09:26] Jessica St. Clair: Yes.
[00:09:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Creating a version of the movie that's safe for her to interact with.
[00:09:30] Jessica St. Clair: So I'm like, well surely this version Get Even is gotta be nothing. No naughty bit. What was the original like?
[00:09:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh.
[00:09:41] Jessica St. Clair: Because this is so fucked up. Get Even was so fucked up.
[00:09:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. Champagne and Bullets is, I'm gonna, I didn't watch the version you watched.
[00:09:49] I'm gonna guess it's 100 times more fucked up based simply on the absolute insanity that I saw put to celluloid.
[00:09:58] Paul Scheer: I have all the, the differences. Um, I'll just give you this. So, uh, Champagne and Bullets runs 99 minutes. Road to Revenge 75.
[00:10:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh wow.
[00:10:09] Paul Scheer: Get Even 90.
[00:10:11] Jessica St. Clair: I would've rather have the shorter one.
[00:10:14] Paul Scheer: You know. Well, the Road to Revenge was hard to find, although some of you found it. Uh, it is, I mean, Get Even is the one that most people have watched.
[00:10:26] Jessica St. Clair: Oh.
[00:10:26] Paul Scheer: Okay. Champagne and Bullets is like the newest version.
[00:10:28] Jessica St. Clair: I see. An uncut version.
[00:10:30] Jason Mantzoukas: The newest? What do you mean the newest?
[00:10:32] Paul Scheer: Alright, so.
[00:10:32] Jason Mantzoukas: This is new?
[00:10:33] Jessica St. Clair: This time.
[00:10:34] Paul Scheer: This film was originally edited as Champagne and Bullets in 16 millimeter, but never released. Okay.
[00:10:41] Jason Mantzoukas: This, this def this movie definitely feels like something that would be played at a bachelor party in the eighties
[00:10:48] Jessica St. Clair: I guess.
[00:10:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Right?
[00:10:50] Paul Scheer: Unlike the two other cuts, this one contains the full Shakespeare soliloquy.
[00:10:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Holy shit.
[00:10:58] Jessica St. Clair: What?
[00:10:59] Jason Mantzoukas: I watched that.
[00:11:00] Jessica St. Clair: What?
[00:11:00] Jason Mantzoukas: I watched that and it's, it is, is inducing.
[00:11:05] Paul Scheer: It is wild. It also has, as Jason already referenced, the full bathtub.
[00:11:12] Jason Mantzoukas: The bathtub scene. I'm not kidding. The bathtub scene is easily 13 minutes long.
[00:11:16] Jessica St. Clair: But it felt. The one that I watched felt like it was 36 hours long.
[00:11:20] Jason Mantzoukas: The movie, I believe that the movie is simply a sales device for an album of absolutely incredible songs.
[00:11:29] Jessica St. Clair: Oh man.
[00:11:30] Jason Mantzoukas: The gift, the G, the true gift of this movie are these songs.
[00:11:38] Paul Scheer: Now. Now Jason, here's what Jess saw that we didn't see. Okay. This is the most notorious cut.
[00:11:47] Jessica St. Clair: Oh.
[00:11:47] Paul Scheer: It has more comic relief with John's lost soul, pinky, the black belt poodle.
[00:11:57] Jessica St. Clair: Okay. Wait, wait. There was, okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. There's one, one scene with a poodle.
[00:12:02] Paul Scheer: Yep. Okay.
[00:12:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait.
[00:12:04] Jessica St. Clair: And I did write down this poodle has more talent than anyone in this film.
[00:12:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Whoa.
[00:12:09] Jessica St. Clair: This poodle's jumping off the screen. I mean, really.
[00:12:11] Paul Scheer: Okay, so it also.
[00:12:13] Jessica St. Clair: But it didn't come back.
[00:12:14] Paul Scheer: No, no poodle.
[00:12:15] Jason Mantzoukas: I didn't see any poodle.
[00:12:16] Paul Scheer: I got a lot of poodle clips we can watch.
[00:12:17] Jessica St. Clair: Had I dissociate it? When I got done watching this movie, I was so fucked up that I was in like a dissociative state. I ate a giant, a king size Snickers. And then I just started scrolling and I searched sorority rush videos on TikTok, and I watched it for like an hour and a half, and my husband.
[00:12:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Did you think that was the movie?
[00:12:39] Jessica St. Clair: I thought I, that was the only thing I thought could, could like offset, wash it out, offset it, or wash it out.
[00:12:46] Jason Mantzoukas: You, you, this is the thing, this movie has invaded our mind.
[00:12:50] Jessica St. Clair: It, it changes you.
[00:12:51] Jason Mantzoukas: And there are, it is antibiotic resistant. We will have this movie.
[00:12:56] Jessica St. Clair: I don't want it.
[00:12:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Forever. It's in all of us. It's it.
[00:13:00] Jessica St. Clair: I don't want it.
[00:13:00] Jason Mantzoukas: It, well, this is an It Follows scenario.
[00:13:02] Jessica St. Clair: No.
[00:13:03] Jason Mantzoukas: It's just, it is attached.
[00:13:04] Paul Scheer: It's here. Now. I will say one other thing. Get Even. The version that Jess watched also includes a martial arts sequence that was shot in 2007.
[00:13:17] Jessica St. Clair: You guys missed. What?
[00:13:20] Jason Mantzoukas: That's 20 years later.
[00:13:22] Jessica St. Clair: And what?
[00:13:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Is Rick in it?
[00:13:23] Jessica St. Clair: Okay. Yes. And what is so crazy? What's so crazy is 20 years later you'd think, oh, has he aged a lot? He seems just as weak.
[00:13:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:13:33] Jessica St. Clair: 20 years later he is just like swiping at the bag.
[00:13:40] Paul Scheer: He was 49 or 50 years old at the time of filming.
[00:13:44] Jason Mantzoukas: A very cool age.
[00:13:45] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:13:46] Jessica St. Clair: Very vibrant.
[00:13:47] Jason Mantzoukas: A very cool age.
[00:13:48] Jessica St. Clair: Very sexual.
[00:13:48] Jason Mantzoukas: And even if he was a few years older, that would be cool too.
[00:13:51] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah, it would be. Prime of his life.
[00:13:54] Paul Scheer: And he was 65 for the reshoots.
[00:13:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Gross. We can all agree. That's gross.
[00:14:00] Paul Scheer: Now I will also point out that his love interest was 34 at the time. Now, um. The other thing I will say, and the biggest difference, the biggest difference between Champagne and Bullets and Get Even is the, the end death of the bad guy.
[00:14:16] Jessica St. Clair: Can I understand something? Who is releasing these new versions? Is anybody asking for it?
[00:14:23] Paul Scheer: Um, I will, I will show you. It is John DeHart. John DeHart. There he is, uh.
[00:14:31] Jessica St. Clair: Divorce quick. You can get a quick divorce from him.
[00:14:35] Jason Mantzoukas: That's great.
[00:14:35] Paul Scheer: He does everything.
[00:14:38] Jessica St. Clair: He is a straight up lawyer. I have to say. Hearing that. I'm like good for him. Like this guy has, he's got com, he's got rizz. He's got rizz.
[00:14:49] Paul Scheer: Well, I do want you to look at this. Uh, when someone tried to troll John DeHart, uh, lawyer, uh, on his website, this is what you get back. This is, uh, picture two. This Chad Brooks writes. I once got double cross by my boss, who was secretly the head of a Satanic cult, and they needed some help. John knew how to handle it. He's also a great singer. And John de Hart writes back "Profoundly intuitive, Chad."
[00:15:15] Jessica St. Clair: I love this guy.
[00:15:16] Jason Mantzoukas: He gets it.
[00:15:17] Jessica St. Clair: He does get it. He, he, he gets it in that he doesn't get it.
[00:15:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:15:22] Jessica St. Clair: And he doesn't give a fuck.
[00:15:23] Jason Mantzoukas: He doesn't give a fuck. He's tucking that sweat jacket into the sweatpants.
[00:15:28] Jessica St. Clair: He's trained.
[00:15:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Everything gets tucked in.
[00:15:31] Jessica St. Clair: He got married in a white tracksuit.
[00:15:34] Jason Mantzoukas: What?
[00:15:35] Jessica St. Clair: That is a man.
[00:15:36] Paul Scheer: You gotta get married.
[00:15:37] Jessica St. Clair: He's got Riz.
[00:15:39] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean, I, there's just too many notes. I do this thing now where I dictate the notes and it's absolutely, I'm looking at them. They are chaos. They are just.
[00:15:47] Jessica St. Clair: Even if you didn't, I wrote them down. Mine make no sense.
[00:15:50] Paul Scheer: Oh, I mean, I'm writing, I was writing down so much. I was like, I think I have to stop at a certain point. But the opening sequence, ugh, when three cops surround. Uh, like a, a small trailer and they're like, oh fuck, we're outnumbered. No you're not.
[00:16:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:16:04] Paul Scheer: You're exactly numbered.
[00:16:06] Jessica St. Clair: They're also wearing, they're also wearing silk black jackets that look like they're the, the pink ladies from Grease.
[00:16:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:16:14] Jessica St. Clair: That say LAPD. And they're like, take cover. They're literally walking in like plain sight up to the, up to the trailer.
[00:16:22] Jason Mantzoukas: They're not hidden at all.
[00:16:24] Paul Scheer: My favorite thing is that their boss, uh, I believe his name is Normad, uh, their boss is wearing transition lenses.
[00:16:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep.
[00:16:32] Paul Scheer: On his sunglasses. So.
[00:16:34] Jason Mantzoukas: The whole movie.
[00:16:35] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:16:35] Jason Mantzoukas: He's wearing them in the courtroom.
[00:16:39] Paul Scheer: And it was shocking because at first you're like, oh, he's a cop. He's wearing the dark glasses. And then after, uh, after Huck gets shot. Regular glasses. I'm like, oh, I don't wanna see this guy's eyes.
[00:16:50] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.
[00:16:50] Paul Scheer: Um.
[00:16:51] Jessica St. Clair: My dad has those transition shades and it really upsets people. It upsets people to just see you in sunglasses and then not.
[00:17:01] Paul Scheer: Yeah. It's, it's too shocking.
[00:17:01] Jessica St. Clair: You can't trust a man.
[00:17:03] Paul Scheer: No. And by the way, great storytelling.
[00:17:06] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.
[00:17:06] Paul Scheer: You understand right away. Don't trust me.
[00:17:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Untrustworthy. Untrustworthy. And yet somehow he becomes a judge. A judge.
[00:17:13] Jessica St. Clair: Well, obviously John DeHart.
[00:17:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, he must know.
[00:17:16] Jessica St. Clair: He did it. I mean, he became at from actor to lawyer.
[00:17:19] Jason Mantzoukas: I would believe that he could become a judge right now.
[00:17:20] Paul Scheer: I believe he was a lawyer who became an actor and then stayed a lawyer.
[00:17:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh. And I love that she's, when Cindy comes back, Cindy, right? Cindy, yeah. When Cindy comes back, she's like, are you still an actor? And he said, I'm trying to audition. And I'm like, still? He's acting as if he's like 29 in the movie.
[00:17:38] Paul Scheer: There's one line in the movie where cindy goes back to her parents' house. The parents wanna reject her because she's been in a Satanic cult and you know, and she's like, you know, like, I'm not letting that guy in there. And he goes, dad, he was a cop and now he drives a limo. I'm like, that's not, like, that is a.
[00:17:56] Jessica St. Clair: That's a bad trajectory.
[00:17:57] Jason Mantzoukas: I just wanna get this out straight away right now.
[00:18:00] Jessica St. Clair: Okay.
[00:18:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Cindy is part of a cult that kills a human baby. Baby's no coming back from that.
[00:18:09] Jessica St. Clair: But he keeps saying to her, don't worry.
[00:18:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Fine. It's fine. We're gonna get through it. You'll get past it. It's fine.
[00:18:15] Jessica St. Clair: You can't get past it.
[00:18:16] Jason Mantzoukas: He doesn't register an an ounce of shock.
[00:18:20] Paul Scheer: He has no reaction to it. And she, you see it in flashback and then she goes. A human baby.
[00:18:26] Jason Mantzoukas: A human baby. Also, the movie doesn't understand film language at all.
[00:18:31] We see the whole thing in flashback, the movie.
[00:18:33] Jessica St. Clair: We know it's a human baby.
[00:18:35] Jason Mantzoukas: The movie, the movie doesn't act like that's her telling him. She tells him that story out loud when we come back from the flashback. Yeah, I was like, that's not how we do this.
[00:18:50] Paul Scheer: Let's take a look at the Devil worship scene. Four.
[00:18:52] Jessica St. Clair: Oh, this, this really did haunt me. It makes me feel sick.
[00:18:54] Jason Mantzoukas: This is so crazy
[00:18:56] Movie Audio: About the other night. Those guys in the bar.
[00:18:59] Jason Mantzoukas: He loves a hard tuck.
[00:19:01] Movie Audio: I didn't know them.
[00:19:04] They're members of a cult. Have devil worshipers. The crowd I got into, they, they started getting involved in a coven.
[00:19:15] I just kind of fell into it.
[00:19:17] Paul Scheer: Oh, now that's acting.
[00:19:19] Jessica St. Clair: I'd just love her to put on a bra. There's. She.
[00:19:22] Jason Mantzoukas: You wanna put her in a bra? Interesting.
[00:19:25] Jessica St. Clair: I need her in something a little more support. Oh, there's baby. Here's that baby. The baby.
[00:19:28] Paul Scheer: We need to find that child.
[00:19:30] Movie Audio: Go with Satan.
[00:19:33] Jessica St. Clair: This isn't right. Who put their baby in this movie?
[00:19:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Right?
[00:19:37] Movie Audio: Love you, Satan. Satan lives.
[00:19:41] Jessica St. Clair: Oh.
[00:19:41] Jason Mantzoukas: I wish I could hold that baby. I'll save you.
[00:19:46] Paul Scheer: I love that the altar just has 6, 6, 6.
[00:19:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:19:49] Paul Scheer: Very, very much. Like, uh, we went to Party City. Got some 6, 6, 6. Uh, the upside. Oh, I guess it's an upside down cross. Alright, so there it is. All right. So this is the Satanic cult.
[00:20:01] And I will say that Cindy does jump out and say stop. That's a, that's a, that's a safety.
[00:20:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Very late after this.
[00:20:07] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah. Very late. So she waits to, for that baby to get all the way to the altar.
[00:20:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Let's be clear.
[00:20:12] Jessica St. Clair: Before she says anything.
[00:20:13] Jason Mantzoukas: She's part of this infanticide. Full stop.
[00:20:17] Jessica St. Clair: A hundred percent. And.
[00:20:18] Paul Scheer: She is guilty.
[00:20:18] Jessica St. Clair: You don't bounce back from it. You just don't.
[00:20:20] Paul Scheer: The, uh, you said like, uh, you know. Who, you know, who might put their baby up for this role. Like, Hey, we're casting for a baby to be murdered. Uh, and somebody's like, oh, we'll give it to John. He's a good lawyer. We'll give him our baby. Um, I'll tell you one person he didn't cast as his love interest, which is his girlfriend.
[00:20:39] Jessica St. Clair: Who was his girlfriend?
[00:20:40] Paul Scheer: The nun.
[00:20:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh.
[00:20:44] Paul Scheer: And.
[00:20:46] Jessica St. Clair: God bless.
[00:20:47] Paul Scheer: And John and John did say.
[00:20:51] Jessica St. Clair: Oh, no.
[00:20:52] Paul Scheer: John did say, uh, that when she saw the bathtub scene. She broke up with him.
[00:21:02] Jessica St. Clair: This guy is a hero. He's America's hero.
[00:21:06] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean, what a fuck.
[00:21:08] Jessica St. Clair: The ball's on this guy.
[00:21:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Boss move.
[00:21:10] Jessica St. Clair: The ball's on this guy.
[00:21:12] Jason Mantzoukas: She doesn't even know it's in there. She had to see what the, I mean, like did what?
[00:21:16] Jessica St. Clair: Respect.
[00:21:17] Paul Scheer: Yeah. So, you know, look.
[00:21:19] Jessica St. Clair: Wow.
[00:21:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.
[00:21:20] Jessica St. Clair: And that, and put that poor nun. She was as bad as actor as as he was.
[00:21:24] Paul Scheer: Oh. I mean, that was a rough.
[00:21:25] Jessica St. Clair: If not worse. That was a rough, and, but you know what, it makes sense because you're thinking to yourself, Jesus, why is this nun even in this movie, and why are they giving us such a long scene with her?
[00:21:37] Paul Scheer: When the nun goes, but you have to drive me back to the hospital.
[00:21:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Why?
[00:21:40] Paul Scheer: He's at his dead wife's grave.
[00:21:44] Jessica St. Clair: He said, I'd rather, I'd rather spend a little time with Cindy.
[00:21:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, she's bringing him to see, spoiler alert, his dead wife is alive.
[00:21:53] Jessica St. Clair: How humiliating is that? Oh man, she has to deliver her boyfriend to Cindy and those boobs.
[00:21:59] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:22:00] Jessica St. Clair: Not knowing that they just, earlier that morning shot a 16 hour soap fest.
[00:22:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Oh my God. She okay. In that tub. Here's a little PSA for everybody. You can't fuck in water like that. That's full of that soapy shit.
[00:22:15] Jessica St. Clair: That pH, she's gonna get it.
[00:22:16] Jason Mantzoukas: She is getting a UTI that's gonna last a month.
[00:22:20] Jessica St. Clair: Big time.
[00:22:21] Jason Mantzoukas: You're an idiot.
[00:22:22] Jessica St. Clair: Big time.
[00:22:23] Paul Scheer: Now, I will say, who came up with the plan to fake Cindy's death? Was it the EMT drivers?
[00:22:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. Yes. She says she woke up in the ambulance and they take her away to protect her life so that the bad guys in the Satanic cult.
[00:22:40] Jessica St. Clair: Think she's dead.
[00:22:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Think she's dead.
[00:22:42] Paul Scheer: But now, meanwhile.
[00:22:43] Jessica St. Clair: But who was working behind the scenes to help protect her? We never really, but wouldn't tell me. They wouldn't. They wouldn't, let me tell you.
[00:22:51] Paul Scheer: And he did no research himself. That means he never identified her body.
[00:22:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Nope.
[00:22:57] Paul Scheer: As her husband, that's a given. Yeah. Uh, like he went through a lot. By the way, this whole movie probably takes place in eight days.
[00:23:06] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.
[00:23:06] Paul Scheer: He meets his ex-girlfriend.
[00:23:08] Jason Mantzoukas: And he has like, easily 14 all leather outfits in the course of that eight days.
[00:23:13] Oh. At least.
[00:23:15] Paul Scheer: I mean, I just wanna get, I wanna get into all of it.
[00:23:17] Jason Mantzoukas: All of it. We haven't talked, we haven't.
[00:23:18] Paul Scheer: Any of it.
[00:23:19] Jason Mantzoukas: We haven't talked about Huck Finley at all, which is.
[00:23:22] Jessica St. Clair: To be honest, that character disturbed me more.
[00:23:27] Jason Mantzoukas: That character I felt like. That that is the point of view character for the movie.
[00:23:34] Jessica St. Clair: Yes.
[00:23:34] Jason Mantzoukas: It, it felt to me like the movie only makes sense if it's taking place in his mind.
[00:23:39] Jessica St. Clair: Agreed.
[00:23:40] Jason Mantzoukas: In his broken, broken mind.
[00:23:42] Jessica St. Clair: And I felt like, I don't know if the actor was losing his mind throughout the sh filming, but it felt there was a lot of improv going on. Oh, a lot. I'm taking it moment to moment. I felt like he thought he was in a David Mamet play.
[00:23:56] Jason Mantzoukas: I think he thought, you know, I think he thought he was Dennis Hopper in Apocalypse Now.
[00:23:59] Jessica St. Clair: Yes.
[00:24:00] Paul Scheer: I mean, there are moments when John is watching him and it looks like he's smiling, like, oh, this is gonna be good. Like that whole scene where he is like, you don't know Hamlet. You don't know Hamlet. And John's like, who? And then he is like, I'm so mad at you. I'm like, who?
[00:24:14] Jason Mantzoukas: You tell him the thing that Hamlet wrote. What?
[00:24:19] Paul Scheer: By the way, the fact that John DeHart is auditioning with his to be or not to be monologue, which
[00:24:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Whoa.
[00:24:25] Paul Scheer: Has a cut in it, right? One of the benefits of that monologue is no cutting. Right?
[00:24:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Like, well, also the cut is to just a slightly different angle of himself. The movie foundation doesn't understand the idea of coverage, so there are multiple scenes in which the person talking isn't shown because they've not shot that person.
[00:24:46] Jessica St. Clair: Like in the waiter, when the waiter comes, that's what they're having a whole conversation with somebody you never see.
[00:24:52] Jason Mantzoukas: What about the scene? What about the scene? Where in the foreground all you hear is someone pushing phone buttons? As if, as if someone's holding up a receiver to the microphone. There's so ma the mix is so crazy in this movie.
[00:25:08] Jessica St. Clair: It's crazy.
[00:25:08] Jason Mantzoukas: There are a, for the foregrounded stuff is always the, the soundtrack.
[00:25:13] Jessica St. Clair: Yes.
[00:25:14] Jason Mantzoukas: And the ambient foley work. The crunching or like the chewing, or.
[00:25:17] Jessica St. Clair: I don't know if it's foley work, either. Like the fountain, which I also had a feeling that they shot all of this in like a sad apartment building. Like an empty apartment building.
[00:25:27] Paul Scheer: Oh. Every location.
[00:25:28] Jessica St. Clair: Where like this, this is a Mexican restaurant location, and then they just put a fountain in there.
[00:25:31] Jason Mantzoukas: You're telling me a, a judge, his office is a windowless, artless nothing of a box.
[00:25:39] Paul Scheer: Yeah. I believe that every room in John's house was used for this movie.
[00:25:44] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.
[00:25:44] Paul Scheer: I mean, that bar is not a bar. That is his garage. No, that please. And he clearly collects video games.
[00:25:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:25:52] Paul Scheer: Because that's 1993. He's got old ass video games. You never see the other side of the bar. And then later on when they're at another place, I'm like, oh, that's just the bar.
[00:26:01] Jessica St. Clair: That's the bar again.
[00:26:01] Paul Scheer: They flipped it. Yeah.
[00:26:02] Jessica St. Clair: Can we talk about why? First of all that they're wearing cowboy outfits. 'cause I live in Los Angeles, and I don't see anybody say, I'm fixing to have you a drink or get you a drink.
[00:26:13] Paul Scheer: By the way, when they revealed that there was LA I was like, huh.
[00:26:16] Jason Mantzoukas: I was, I found it. I found it thrilling. I found it thrilling to be like, why are they doing cowboy shit? What? And then when everybody in the bar begs him to sing and then he sings, I'm gonna say a seven minute song, and I'm not kidding it, he, he looked with panic. Panic in his eyes. Delivers a performance that is transcendent. That is better than Whitney Houston singing of the National Anthem. It's absolutely transporting.
[00:26:51] Jessica St. Clair: And it, his neck and his head are moving as one column. He's, he's so uncomfortable. I've never met and seen a man more uncomfortable in his own body.
[00:27:01] Paul Scheer: And it's clearly a song that he has written that he knows the words to, but it feels like someone's like, if you fuck up one word of this song that you don't know any of the words to, we will kill a human baby.
[00:27:14] Jason Mantzoukas: This was the moment, this was the moment where I most felt like this was a Will Forte character.
[00:27:20] Jessica St. Clair: Yes. Yes.
[00:27:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Like this is some sort of cut scene from MacGruber.
[00:27:24] Jessica St. Clair: Yes.
[00:27:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Right?
[00:27:25] Jessica St. Clair: Yes.
[00:27:26] Paul Scheer: Let's watch clip one. The Shimmy shimmy shake.
[00:27:29] Jessica St. Clair: Wow.
[00:27:30] Paul Scheer: Or sorry, the Shimmy Slide.
[00:27:33] Jason Mantzoukas: The Shimmy Slide. Okay.
[00:27:37] Jessica St. Clair: Cindy's mom is also an unsung hero.
[00:27:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Can, can we pause for a second? Can we pause for a second? Cindy's mom wears that outfit only. She wears that outfit to her daughter's funeral, I believe.
[00:27:50] Jessica St. Clair: Also who goes to a bar where there's just full nudity, women dancing with their mom, with their.
[00:27:56] Paul Scheer: Wait, wait. Hold on. But wait.
[00:27:58] Jason Mantzoukas: And there's a child there.
[00:28:00] Paul Scheer: Hold on. Just think about when you hear the shimmy slide, you wanna take off all your clothes. Yeah. Like that's.
[00:28:08] Jessica St. Clair: You do.
[00:28:08] Paul Scheer: That is a song that makes you go hot.
[00:28:10] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah. Get you, gets you loose.
[00:28:11] Paul Scheer: Now this mom has my best, my, one of my favorite lines of the whole movie. She goes. She said, I'll be right back. I got a lot of things going on.
[00:28:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, and you know what?
[00:28:20] Paul Scheer: She's just gonna come right back in, in 35 seconds.
[00:28:23] Jason Mantzoukas: I believe her though. I believe she's fucking busy.
[00:28:26] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.
[00:28:27] Paul Scheer: What has she got going on? All right, so here is the Shimmy Side. Here we go.
[00:28:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Different location.
[00:28:39] Jessica St. Clair: Oh God.
[00:28:39] Paul Scheer: Goblet of wine. Too big.
[00:28:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh my God.
[00:28:41] Jessica St. Clair: Oh no.
[00:28:41] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean this leather is next level.
[00:28:43] Paul Scheer: That fireplace is in his living room.
[00:28:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:28:46] Jessica St. Clair: Totally.
[00:28:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:28:52] Jessica St. Clair: He's so scared.
[00:28:55] It's his movie. He's so scared to be in his own movie.
[00:28:59] Paul Scheer: This in his mind, this was gonna be the like Ghostbusters. We are gonna call, like this was gonna be the theme.
[00:29:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah. And to have a whole dance that goes with it. It was gonna sweep the nation. By the way, the song is a banger. The song, I mean, I would kill for somebody to do a cover of this.
[00:29:19] Please Chappel Roan Do a cover of this song.
[00:29:22] Paul Scheer: He has mystified the Shimmy slide did not become a huge hit. Uh, he has said that.
[00:29:27] Jessica St. Clair: No, no, but, but, but the joke is on us.
[00:29:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:29:31] Jessica St. Clair: Because on YouTube people are obsessed with the shimmy slide. He has won. Oh, well he has won.
[00:29:40] Jason Mantzoukas: As he should.
[00:29:41] Jessica St. Clair: Yes, I agree.
[00:29:42] Jason Mantzoukas: As he should. This is what we deserve, America. This, we did this to ourselves. Right. This whole tour has been somehow about the manosphere, I believe.
[00:29:54] Jessica St. Clair: Yes.
[00:29:54] Jason Mantzoukas: And toxic masculinity.
[00:29:55] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:29:56] Jessica St. Clair: Yep.
[00:29:56] Paul Scheer: I do wanna bring up this thing, 'cause this is great. Um, during this scene, John is fucked up on pain meds because his back was so seized up that it was actually fucked throughout of most of production.
[00:30:11] Jessica St. Clair: That makes sense. Why he can't move.
[00:30:13] Jason Mantzoukas: I get it now. Now I feel bad as someone who has also experienced lower back pain. I understand. So now I feel bad.
[00:30:19] Paul Scheer: But I mean, then don't shoot this. He looks like he is fucked up pain meds. Like that. Like of course he's scared out of his mind. He doesn't know where he is and he is directing himself.
[00:30:34] I gotta get, I'm, I'm making this movie? Well, I'm just directing it, right? No, you're acting it too. What?
[00:30:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Red dots about to appear on his forehead.
[00:30:43] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.
[00:30:43] Paul Scheer: I just imagine him, like, I imagine him waking up saying, John, you gotta get the set. What? Set what? I'm a lawyer. No, you're directing a movie.
[00:30:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, you have to go to set downstairs. Yeah. Set. You have to go to set down in the basement.
[00:30:56] Jessica St. Clair: Craft service is already set up, John, get up.
[00:30:59] Paul Scheer: Well, at least I'm only directing it. No, no, you're acting in it too. Oh, wait, what?
[00:31:04] Jason Mantzoukas: At least I'm not singing all the songs. You are singing all the songs.
[00:31:09] Jessica St. Clair: In real time. Well, I honestly would believe that they had a boombox playing the soundtrack while they acted.
[00:31:16] Jason Mantzoukas: 100%. Yes. Yes. And the performances are better for it. I will fuck to this soundtrack. Mark my words, Portland. And I want you to, too. Tonight. I demand that Portland fucked to this music.
[00:31:35] Jessica St. Clair: No, God.
[00:31:35] Paul Scheer: Now, Jason, though, when you fuck, when you finish fucking, you always say Adio Bella Lagosi.
[00:31:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, I do. I do. How, how about, how, can I just do another one? Cindy, your eyes are, they're incredible. They're still the most beautiful eyes I've ever seen. Still, still, I haven't seen more beautiful. Every one of his lines are so weird.
[00:32:00] Jessica St. Clair: They're so weird.
[00:32:01] Jason Mantzoukas: When he says the pleasure is all mine at the end of a scene, that's not been the setup. It, I, it's wild. It's wild.
[00:32:10] Paul Scheer: All I wanna talk about is the court scene in the beginning.
[00:32:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep.
[00:32:14] Paul Scheer: When these two guys are getting framed as drug addicts, there are words in here that I'm shocked by. Well, the, the Normand or Normad, when Normad says they were in front of a Panda's vehicle with a myriad of paint on it.
[00:32:32] What?
[00:32:33] Jason Mantzoukas: I believe that's like a, I believe that's like a van that's got like a, some, uh, art on the side.
[00:32:38] Paul Scheer: Just say it's got a, it's got like a.
[00:32:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Buffalo Bill van vibe
[00:32:42] Paul Scheer: and then, and then.
[00:32:43] Jason Mantzoukas: It rubs the lotion on its skin.
[00:32:46] Jessica St. Clair: No.
[00:32:47] Paul Scheer: Well, we found out on this tour, Jess is, is afraid of Silence of the Lambs. So do not.
[00:32:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Specifically that voice apparently quite triggering.
[00:32:55] Jessica St. Clair: We did this, we already did this. Moveon.org.
[00:32:57] Jason Mantzoukas: It, it came up organically.
[00:32:59] Jessica St. Clair: No, it didn't.
[00:32:59] Jason Mantzoukas: It came up organically.
[00:33:01] Jessica St. Clair: And don't bring it back. Not a funny bit. That's not funny.
[00:33:06] Paul Scheer: The way that Normad describes them as drug addicts is so, he is like, I saw him take his left hand and push it on his nostril. And then the right hand held the.
[00:33:20] Jessica St. Clair: He created a miniature straw.
[00:33:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. Out of the, out of a matchbook, he rolled a matchbook.
[00:33:26] Jessica St. Clair: Which sniff up the drugs. Why did we have to hear that monologue?
[00:33:30] Paul Scheer: I mean, it was a monologue of like the slowest details. It was like, it was as if this movie was for the visually impaired, but it like, it was like, oh, he's walk. This is wonderful. He is walking us through the scene, but we don't need all that because he is testifying about cops, to cops.
[00:33:49] Jessica St. Clair: We all know what doing drugs are.
[00:33:52] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:33:52] Jason Mantzoukas: So there's no, it's, it makes no sense. And thank God. Right. And I'm gonna say this, in the first 15 or so minutes, I must have checked the runtime.
[00:34:03] 10 times. Right. And was like, it's only been five minutes. It's only been 10 minutes.
[00:34:09] Jessica St. Clair: Yes.
[00:34:09] Jason Mantzoukas: And then this happened. And for the rest of the movie I was like, I'm in baby. When they bail Huck Finn out and that whole scene unfolds. And then our guy Rick tags it with, here's a quarter, buy yourself a personality.
[00:34:24] Jessica St. Clair: A personality.
[00:34:25] Jason Mantzoukas: I was like, I'm in. I don't know why. And the rest of the movie sailed by.
[00:34:31] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah, right.
[00:34:32] Paul Scheer: Beth, clip two. Just let's watch that for a second.
[00:34:36] Movie Audio: Sign right here, ma'am.
[00:34:38] Jessica St. Clair: Now look, he's thinking about how he's gonna say it.
[00:34:41] Movie Audio: How'd he do the two three? Ma'am?
[00:34:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Now here's Huck Finn. Lee.
[00:34:45] Movie Audio: Yeah, I just wanna say one thing.
[00:34:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Finn Finn.
[00:34:47] Movie Audio: From a personal observation that the accommodations here is a, uh, I don't know. They just suck.
[00:34:52] Just get out.
[00:34:53] Jessica St. Clair: I feel really uncomfortable around him.
[00:34:55] Movie Audio: Sitting on the street, hopefully.
[00:34:56] Okay, here's a quarter. Buy yourself a personality.
[00:35:02] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah! And then they just hang on the back of the cop.
[00:35:05] Jason Mantzoukas: And then they just wander out.
[00:35:11] Paul Scheer: Huck, I do wanna get back to Huck because Huck to me is such a wild card. He talks to a Native American statue.
[00:35:21] Jason Mantzoukas: That, that, that is with him at each of his locations. It's at home with him. It's outside with him. It's wherever he is, that statue or whatever is with him.
[00:35:32] Paul Scheer: I was shocked and he's talking. He is from the, at first we're like, okay, he's upset that Normad has framed him.
[00:35:43] Jessica St. Clair: Sure.
[00:35:43] Paul Scheer: That's why he is a live wire. But then we realized, oh, he's not a, a live wire.
[00:35:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, he's upset, I think because Normand Normad first got him shot.
[00:35:50] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:35:50] Jessica St. Clair: He didn't care.
[00:35:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Right.
[00:35:51] Jessica St. Clair: 'Cause they didn't cover him, although they were just in a field. Yeah. There was no way, honestly, justice for Normad because what could he do?
[00:36:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Justice for the guy that killed a baby? Whatcha this is a stanist he has who murdered a baby? This is how we got Trump. This is how he got a second Trump. Because you are rooting for Norman.
[00:36:16] Paul Scheer: Normad. Look, when you run a Satanic church, you gotta do some stuff. You just got.
[00:36:22] Jason Mantzoukas: It's still church, I guess.
[00:36:23] Jessica St. Clair: It is. And, and it, and it provides community. But, but yeah, he's pissed at Normad.
[00:36:30] Fine. But then what we're realizing is he, he is, has a, it is like the heart of darkness. He's starting to lose it. He thinks everyone nailed his wife. Wife.
[00:36:40] Paul Scheer: When he says, says that everybody, my wife is banging all my friends. I'm like, first of all, you're married? That has not been established, nor we haven't you, it's hard to lay down.
[00:36:51] Jason Mantzoukas: I'm not rooting for this guy at all. He belongs in jail.
[00:36:55] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah. No, he's in, he belongs in an insane asylum actually.
[00:36:59] Jason Mantzoukas: That's true.
[00:37:00] Jessica St. Clair: His, his scene with Alex. His, his wife, ex-wife, his, his ex-wife.
[00:37:04] Paul Scheer: I thought she was fantastic.
[00:37:05] Jason Mantzoukas: She was great.
[00:37:05] Jessica St. Clair: She's doing phenomenal beat to moment to moment work. And I do feel like, I have a feeling that John had them all over to kind of workshop some of these scenes before they, because they really felt like lived in.
[00:37:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:37:20] Jessica St. Clair: Do you know what I mean?
[00:37:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah. Um, but yeah, it felt like they were really living with these characters.
[00:37:24] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah. Really living with the characters.
[00:37:26] Jason Mantzoukas: You know, like Daniel Day Lewis becoming a cobbler.
[00:37:28] Jessica St. Clair: Right. But why we have to cut in the middle of that fight to just a, a, a TV screen with static on it. And like also she's either, she's standing in front of the TV or what, but there's shadow puppets on his face through the entire thing.
[00:37:44] Paul Scheer: Yeah, yeah.
[00:37:44] Jessica St. Clair: The lighting of it. They would just set a light up and then just fucking let it rip.
[00:37:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep. Oh yeah.
[00:37:50] Jessica St. Clair: Just one light.
[00:37:51] Paul Scheer: Well, I mean, look, they think they have one microphone too, because when the judge who is kicking them off of the force. He's micd when the camera's on him far away. But when they're on the other ones, he is not micd.
[00:38:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Correct.
[00:38:05] Paul Scheer: So they didn't either sh did they not shoot both sides? I don't understand.
[00:38:09] Jason Mantzoukas: No, they could not do any coverage, either audio or video whatsoever. The same thing happens with Benny, the waiter at the restaurant.
[00:38:17] Paul Scheer: Well this is what I love about this and I guess you can compare this movie to, uh, the Room, right John?
[00:38:22] Uh, Tommy Wiseau. And I think what I love about movies like this is it does also show how these men view themselves. Like, oh, I'm the guy. They love when I tell jokes. Women wanna fuck me.
[00:38:36] Jessica St. Clair: The two joke he tells in the restaurant are so disturbing.
[00:38:40] Paul Scheer: I wrote it down. I mean, well we have the scene. I mean, why this is a movie that we gotta play scenes on Clip three.
[00:38:48] Movie Audio: So I got a position joke for.
[00:38:49] Jessica St. Clair: This is for sure, shot in his breakfast nook.
[00:38:52] Movie Audio: Goes doctor
[00:38:53] Jessica St. Clair: in his house in Marina Delray.
[00:38:54] Movie Audio: Doctor says, Hey, you gotta disrobe. She says, I'm very shy. Can we turn the lights off? He says, okay. He turns the lights off, she takes her clothes off and she says, doctor, where should I put them? He says, right over here on top of mine.
[00:39:10] Jason Mantzoukas: I love that he referred to that in the setup as a position joke. I've got a position joke for you. What?
[00:39:18] Movie Audio: This guy with a
[00:39:18] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't think we classify jokes like that.
[00:39:21] Movie Audio: Can I help you? The duck says, yeah, get this guy off my ass.
[00:39:25] Jessica St. Clair: And then she has to laugh at it.
[00:39:27] Movie Audio: You always have a good joke.
[00:39:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Look at. She deserves an academy award.
[00:39:32] Jessica St. Clair: She does.
[00:39:34] Jason Mantzoukas: I'm not kidding.
[00:39:34] Paul Scheer: She's amazing. 'cause she looks like she is in love with him. Here's what I love. After he tells that doctor joke and I think it's after he tells the one about the duck, he goes, quite a profession.
[00:39:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Incredible. Doctors. Quite, quite a profession. He's got throwaway lines like that throughout, that are just like quite a like.
[00:39:55] Paul Scheer: It's like, well, you know, like, it's like it is a true story. Quite a profession.
[00:39:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Here's, here's the other one that he has that I was like, my scrambled my brain. He goes, how about we drink to new beginnings?
[00:40:05] Let's hope they never end. Wait a minute.
[00:40:07] Jessica St. Clair: What?
[00:40:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Now, hang on, I'm gonna, I really wanna examine that. Let's hope new beginnings never end.
[00:40:16] Jessica St. Clair: They have to.
[00:40:17] Jason Mantzoukas: I think that if be successful at this, it ha the beginning can't be persistent.
[00:40:22] Paul Scheer: Well, but here's what I think midway through the movie I wrote down, this isn't an action movie. This is a romance.
[00:40:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:40:30] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah, it is.
[00:40:30] Paul Scheer: This is a straight up.
[00:40:31] Jason Mantzoukas: This is a love story.
[00:40:32] Paul Scheer: Yes
[00:40:33] Jessica St. Clair: it is. And you know, now I'm thinking about it. I actually think this pairing makes sense because if you are somebody who participated even unwillingly in the murder of a baby who is gonna take you in right? And, and, and accept you for that.
[00:40:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Not only take you in and accept you, but take you in and accept you immediately.
[00:40:55] Jessica St. Clair: Right? Is a guy like this.
[00:40:56] Jason Mantzoukas: This guy, he is unfazed when she says that they killed a human baby.
[00:41:02] Jessica St. Clair: Right? So, so in a lot of ways this May December romance makes a lot of sense.
[00:41:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:41:08] Paul Scheer: I was laughing at the guy named Scar, uh, and I'll tell you why. You know one guy's named Snake, the other guy's named Scar. Now I assume that Scar got the scar 'cause he's a bad guy. He is done some stuff. When do you make that transition of the name? That's what I kept on thinking about.
[00:41:27] Jessica St. Clair: Right.
[00:41:28] Paul Scheer: When do you become Scar? Is it like he was Ralph?
[00:41:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, he has a scar.
[00:41:31] Paul Scheer: Well, but I'm saying, was he Ralph until that one bad fight?
[00:41:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, I think so. For sure.
[00:41:35] Paul Scheer: And then, and then you just go like, don't call me Ralph anymore. Now I, I don't know why I went down my, this movie opened my brain to thoughts. I've never really.
[00:41:42] Jessica St. Clair: I was like, it's like doing acid. I really feel like we all did Ketamine.
[00:41:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:41:46] Jessica St. Clair: What is, and, and we're seeing and making connections that we weren't able to before.
[00:41:51] Jason Mantzoukas: What I think is interesting and what you're getting at is that every single character could be the lead of this movie.
[00:41:59] Jessica St. Clair: Wow.
[00:41:59] Jason Mantzoukas: Including Scar. Including Sideburns guy.
[00:42:03] Paul Scheer: Well, I, I did do some research on Scar and I found out that he did do double duty as wardrobe.
[00:42:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Incredible. So he sourced all the leather.
[00:42:17] Jessica St. Clair: He also felt like, 'cause scene to scene, his scars a little different. And I feel like, so like someone handed him like an eyeliner and said, have at it. You know, just try to make it like last night. You know, just do it, you know it, because sometimes it's, you know.
[00:42:30] Paul Scheer: Well these guys, I mean these guys are, the thing I like about this movie too is like these guys, everyone's drinking a beer.
[00:42:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:42:37] Paul Scheer: Always.
[00:42:37] Jessica St. Clair: Always. That's what men do.
[00:42:38] Paul Scheer: You're right.
[00:42:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Even the little kid at the strip club is drinking a beer. That little kid who calls, who narcs on the strip club, first of all, it's an arcade bar that then that.
[00:42:49] Jessica St. Clair: That why, why did they start stripping?
[00:42:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Then Rick sings an eight minute country western song, and then a woman comes out and strips. Now there's a, there's a child who's been drinking a beer and the child drinking a beer is outraged at the strip club.
[00:43:04] Jessica St. Clair: As she should be.
[00:43:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Asks to borrow the phone and calls the cops.
[00:43:09] Paul Scheer: And doesn't her mom say, I've seen worse stuff in your bedroom?
[00:43:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:43:12] Paul Scheer: Like what?
[00:43:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:43:14] Paul Scheer: By the way, uh, it reminds me that John, uh, John DeHart, when he comes into that bar scene, that woman leaves. She goes, I got a lot of stuff going on. She leaves her beer there and he just takes a sip of her beer.
[00:43:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:43:26] Paul Scheer: Before his is brought to him by Huck who says, beer friend. Beer friend. Like, that's the other thing Huck is doing, like we said, improv.
[00:43:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah.
[00:43:35] Paul Scheer: Out the ass. And. I kind of love it.
[00:43:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, he's giving a performance that is at least keeping us like off balance and guessing because Yeah, because Rick is, he's, his character is stoic.
[00:43:49] I think he thinks he's doing like a a, a Clint Eastwood type race.
[00:43:53] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:43:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Dirty Harry kind of guy. Um, but when, and this whole scene leads up to the, the, he sings the song. It's the strip club. The kid calls the cops, the bad guys show up. They try and capture and kidnap. Um, Cindy, uh, Cindy and Huck and Rick beat the shit out of the guys.
[00:44:11] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:44:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Clumsy.
[00:44:12] Paul Scheer: Like a Six Flags stunt show. It's like Batman Forever live every day, every 45 minutes.
[00:44:20] Jessica St. Clair: They don't make any contact.
[00:44:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Zero.
[00:44:22] Jessica St. Clair: With the other person's body. The, the amount of women who are slapped should have upset me, but it didn't because they're never hurt.
[00:44:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:44:32] Jessica St. Clair: They're just like slapped. Don't do that. Slap. I said, I love you, slap.
[00:44:39] Paul Scheer: I mean, they say the word bitch in this movie all the time, like, got that bitch.
[00:44:43] Jessica St. Clair: So be in my men's studies class for sure. We're gonna be studying this.
[00:44:46] Jason Mantzoukas: This we get at this point afterwards to the first Rick and Cindy sex scene, which I just wanna read my stream of consciousness reaction to.
[00:44:56] Okay, this is how it occurred to me in the room earlier today. Talking into my phone while watching. Okay. For the first thing is it says, please tell me there's a soundtrack for this on an app. Okay, next they are in real time, undressing each other, clumsily. She's biting his shoulder. Does his shirt never come off?
[00:45:16] He's doing the ice cube down the right leg thing, seduction thing. Oh, wait a minute. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What is this movie? Question mark. Now it's like a Cinemax movie question mark. But worse dot dot dot somehow dot dot dot. Inexplicably. That's what I, that's me. Imagine you, you're in the room next door and you hear me going, screaming these words, stoned in my hotel room.
[00:45:49] Jessica St. Clair: Oh, poor, poor Cindy.
[00:45:53] Paul Scheer: Watching her come in for a kiss. She did something I've never seen on screen before, which is open her mouth. She comes for like ah. Oh yeah. Like Pacman.
[00:46:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:46:04] Paul Scheer: She fucking Pacmans him.
[00:46:06] Jessica St. Clair: She ready for it.
[00:46:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep. She is. It is a wide, it's a wide birth.
[00:46:14] Paul Scheer: But I'll say she doesn't seem like whatever they have. Like, I feel like
[00:46:19] Jessica St. Clair: I don't see the disgust that we should.
[00:46:22] Paul Scheer: Yes. Right, exactly.
[00:46:23] Jessica St. Clair: So either they did have some chemistry, which is disgusting.
[00:46:27] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:46:27] Jessica St. Clair: Or she's the best actress in the world. Either way. Justice for Cindy, she's fabulous.
[00:46:35] Paul Scheer: Um, by the way, I just, I just saw in my notes, uh, after giving him all this, uh, props for the shimmy slide, he didn't write it.
[00:46:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Who did? Is it a cover?
[00:46:45] Paul Scheer: Uh, he said he bought the rights to it and put his voice on it, so maybe he really didn't know the lyrics.
[00:46:52] Jason Mantzoukas: I love it. I love it. Absolutely fantastic. This movies, I really, I can't, uh, I'm jumping ahead so much, but I can't recommend this movie enough because so much of what we are talking about, so many of the scenes are undone by music that is so present, so forward in the Huck and his ex-wife scene.
[00:47:13] It is as if someone has opened up the drum option in a Cassio keyboard.
[00:47:19] Jessica St. Clair: Yes.
[00:47:19] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:47:20] Jason Mantzoukas: And is just doing this, it is abject chaos on the soundtrack in a way that is so crazy and wild that I would believe if an eighth grader had made it, you know, it felt.
[00:47:36] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah. Because we all got one of those keyboards. Yeah. In h, you know, and your mother would be like, shut the fuck up. I'm gonna throw that fucking.
[00:47:45] Jason Mantzoukas: It's like cymbal cymbal cymbal, bongo bongo bongo, cymbal cymbal hi hat. Hi hat, hi hat. Bass drum. Snare. Bongo bongo bongo.. That's what it is. The whole I. We'll have them put it in right now so that you can hear it while you're listening to the podcast. How intrusive and competitive it's to have this level of nonsense drumming happening.
[00:48:06] Paul Scheer: I, uh, I, I love that scene. Because he goes, you didn't care when you were at the Beverly Center, which is like a mid-tier mall and it.
[00:48:17] Jessica St. Clair: Gross mall.
[00:48:17] Paul Scheer: Yeah, it's a gross.
[00:48:18] Jessica St. Clair: It's a gross mall.
[00:48:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah. And while you were at the Nordstrom Rack.
[00:48:21] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.
[00:48:22] Paul Scheer: He is like buying all that stuff. I'm like on a cop salary?
[00:48:26] Jessica St. Clair: Like, well if, if his buddy moves out and all that is left is that futon?
[00:48:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:48:32] Jessica St. Clair: And that one TV. That's all he has. That's all he owned.
[00:48:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Also, these guys imagine a world and they, again, I think this movie imagines that these are younger people. Imagine a world in which two men in their sixties are roommates after having been cops for only seven years. So that means Rick became a cop when he was in his forties.
[00:48:58] Jessica St. Clair: Ah. Which is hard to do, just to pass the physical requirement. Yeah.
[00:49:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Now hang on. Somebody could do it I bet.
[00:49:03] Paul Scheer: He is not running around. He is not running too fast.
[00:49:05] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean, I bet if you like worked at it.
[00:49:08] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:49:08] Jason Mantzoukas: He could probably do it.
[00:49:11] Paul Scheer: It's, it's such a wild, it's a, it's a wild turn of events because the fact that that guy becomes a judge, as if that's the trajectory of cops, it's like you kissed the boss's ass, you'll become a judge.
[00:49:25] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.
[00:49:26] Jason Mantzoukas: I loved it. I loved it. And it's also absolutely clear that when he's a judge, his judge's robes are the priest's robes.
[00:49:35] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:49:35] Jason Mantzoukas: From the funeral.
[00:49:37] Jessica St. Clair: Okay.
[00:49:38] Jason Mantzoukas: And the wedding.
[00:49:39] Jessica St. Clair: Because I thought is that like when they cut your hair, they put a robe, like a maybe they ran over to the.
[00:49:46] Paul Scheer: I believe it's the, it's so tight. Yes, it is. It's, it's tight around the collar like that. It's tight.
[00:49:53] Jessica St. Clair: You can't afford a judge's robe? At Party City.
[00:49:55] Paul Scheer: Gonna, he was gonna side over the trial of Huck. We had a trial in this movie. Huck goes to jail.
[00:50:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Twice. Huck goes to jail twice.
[00:50:05] Paul Scheer: And when he is there, drinks all the fucking cleaning fluid.
[00:50:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Bleach, bleach. Rick says, you did the bleach thing. And then he goes, you did that bleach thing.
[00:50:19] Jessica St. Clair: What? Survive that.
[00:50:21] Jason Mantzoukas: What you mean drank bleach? Tried to commit suicide? What you talking about? Huck is in rough shape. He is in rough shape. And then because of this, he is just free because he attempts to unalive himself. He becomes free.
[00:50:38] Jessica St. Clair: And he's allowed to just smoke in his bed.
[00:50:41] Jason Mantzoukas: He gets to go home. He's cool. His voice is fine.
[00:50:46] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.
[00:50:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Are you leaving?
[00:50:48] Paul Scheer: I was going to go into the crowd.
[00:50:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Are you mad us?
[00:50:49] Paul Scheer: I was gonna go. I was gonna go out here.
[00:50:51] Jessica St. Clair: It's been a long week.
[00:50:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Can we get house lights please? Can we get full house lights?
[00:50:56] Jessica St. Clair: Woo.
[00:50:58] Paul Scheer: Um, I realize I never go to the front row for questions, but I see you have a great notebook full of very nice, uh, handwriting.
[00:51:05] Alright. What's, what's your name?
[00:51:06] Audience Member: Elaine.
[00:51:07] Paul Scheer: Okay. And what's your question?
[00:51:08] Audience Member: Okay. I wanna go back to the henchman scar with, with that
[00:51:12] Jessica St. Clair: Yes.
[00:51:12] Audience Member: Yes. With his ma with his eyeliner, uh, scar. So this movie came out in 1993. The Lion King came out in 1994.
[00:51:25] Jessica St. Clair: Wow.
[00:51:27] Jason Mantzoukas: I love this. I love this.
[00:51:28] Jessica St. Clair: Wow. Making connect. See what I mean? We're all on ketamine. We're making connections.
[00:51:33] Jason Mantzoukas: I would love it.
[00:51:33] Jessica St. Clair: We're seeing the clockwork elves.
[00:51:35] Jason Mantzoukas: This, okay. This is carl Young's collective unconscious.
[00:51:39] Jessica St. Clair: Yes. Okay.
[00:51:40] Audience Member: So, yeah. Do you think that scar was scar from Lion King was inspired by scarf from?
[00:51:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:51:47] Jessica St. Clair: Absolutely.
[00:51:47] Paul Scheer: A hundred percent.
[00:51:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Absolutely. Yes. Yes. And I believe John, uh, what's his name has a great, if he a.
[00:51:54] Jessica St. Clair: Great case.
[00:51:54] Jason Mantzoukas: If we thought he, I would believe he would've sued Disney by now. If, if there was any truth to that.
[00:52:00] Paul Scheer: But you could see the animators of Pixar getting a copy of this somehow.
[00:52:05] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.
[00:52:06] Paul Scheer: I love it. Alright.
[00:52:07] Yes. Your name, your question.
[00:52:09] Audience Member: My name is Amelia. Why was every woman in the wedding scene wearing a white dress?
[00:52:15] Paul Scheer: Great question.
[00:52:17] Jason Mantzoukas: I believe question that they were like, we're not sure who's gonna get married. So everybody wear a wedding dress. Or Scar, who did wardrobe, showed up with just all wedding dresses and they were like, he was like, I, I didn't get, I didn't understand the assignment.
[00:52:30] Jessica St. Clair: John, you didn't call me back. Yeah, you took those pills and then you went to sleep and nobody let me know what we needed for the day.
[00:52:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Allegedly. Allegedly.
[00:52:36] Paul Scheer: I blame, I blame Scar. Scar should have gotten everybody different outfits. Um, yes, your name, your question.
[00:52:44] Audience Member: Well actually, uh, my name's Rodney. Looking at the hat that I'm surprised the hats haven't come up yet. So they're just black hats from like a truck stop that they colored over with the magic marker, right?
[00:52:53] Jessica St. Clair: They did.
[00:52:54] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:52:54] Jessica St. Clair: You're right.
[00:52:55] Paul Scheer: They definitely are. Again, that Scar doing a lot with a little, you know.
[00:53:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah. I'm sure he was giving $0 except for, uh, I think he had a pretty sizable leather budget.
[00:53:08] Paul Scheer: But also flexible leather, like track pants.
[00:53:13] Jessica St. Clair: Like a pleather.
[00:53:13] Paul Scheer: Meets leather. Yeah. Pleather. Yes.
[00:53:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, it's got, he's got, he vacillates between like a sweatsuit type of look always tucked in and just top to bottom leather, but not in a leather daddy kind of way. In like a blossy leather eighties kind of way.
[00:53:30] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah. Keep it loose. Everyone wants to see their leather loose.
[00:53:33] Jason Mantzoukas: It feels like all of it is. Is was a, is like from a woman's closet in Aspen in 1987.
[00:53:42] Jessica St. Clair: Absolutely.
[00:53:43] Jason Mantzoukas: That's where all the leather came from.
[00:53:44] Paul Scheer: Everything came from an estate stale.
[00:53:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:53:47] Paul Scheer: Um, yes. Your name, your question.
[00:53:49] Audience Member: My name is Jenna. Did John DeHart sleep with Huck's wife? Because me thinks he doth protests too much.
[00:53:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, oh. Is that, is that interesting? Is that Hamlet right? Is that Hamlet's writing? Are you quoting Hamlet's writing?
[00:54:05] Jessica St. Clair: Wonderful callback.
[00:54:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Right.
[00:54:06] Jessica St. Clair: I really don't think I, I really believe that he is a standup guy.
[00:54:12] Jason Mantzoukas: I do too.
[00:54:12] Jessica St. Clair: And, and a good friend. But his friend is clearly having a nervous breakdown and he can't shut up about those fucking wedding plans.
[00:54:20] He shows up and his friend has clearly lost his mind. He is having a psychotic break. He's like. Hope to see you on Sunday.
[00:54:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Even be even before that. Even before that, he is like, how come you can't be happy for me that Cindy and I are back together? Yeah. Like I was like, my dude Huck is losing his mind.
[00:54:38] Jessica St. Clair: He drank bleach.
[00:54:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes, he drank bleach. That's a cry for, that's a cry for help.
[00:54:43] Paul Scheer: He has dyed his hair. He is in a pool with women in bikinis talking about, and he says, Israelites in a way that I've never heard it said.
[00:54:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Israelites. He says, Israelites, Israelis.
[00:54:58] Jessica St. Clair: What's up with the why is, why is their hair dyed red? Why?
[00:55:02] Paul Scheer: Because Huck Finn.
[00:55:03] Jessica St. Clair: Oh, 'cause of Huck Finn?
[00:55:05] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:55:06] Jason Mantzoukas: The whole thing. He's, I felt like that was his pitch. That was, that actor's pitch was like, what if it's a whole Huck Finn thing?
[00:55:14] Paul Scheer: Well get ready Jason.
[00:55:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh boy.
[00:55:17] Paul Scheer: Because John was fucked up on pain pills. He was not able to be at that pool scene.
[00:55:24] Jessica St. Clair: Oh, no.
[00:55:24] Paul Scheer: And didn't know what that scene was until he saw it in the dailies and said he was quite surprised.
[00:55:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Incredible.
[00:55:31] Jessica St. Clair: That's incredible.
[00:55:33] Jason Mantzoukas: It's so good. Everything you're telling us, Paul is so, so good.
[00:55:37] Jessica St. Clair: I'm now thinking that actor who's done all this work, but he's probably been like, you know, more supporting roles.
[00:55:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah.
[00:55:44] Jessica St. Clair: This was his chance to flex his dramatic muscles.
[00:55:47] Paul Scheer: Everyone here is making an acting reel.
[00:55:50] Jessica St. Clair: Yes.
[00:55:50] Paul Scheer: Like, they're all like, this is gonna get me to the next level.
[00:55:52] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.
[00:55:53] Paul Scheer: And you know what? They were right. Your name?
[00:55:56] Audience Member: Uh, Alex.
[00:55:57] Paul Scheer: Your question?
[00:55:58] Audience Member: I wanted to know if you noticed, at the end of the, the end of the scene where they're having sex after the wedding, he puts like a champagne glass on the side table.
[00:56:08] Jessica St. Clair: He, what does he do?
[00:56:09] Audience Member: Like fumbling around it. Hold that hand. Grabs it. It.
[00:56:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Say it again.
[00:56:13] Audience Member: Okay. It's a, yeah. So a hand grabs the champagne. You see the hand. How many times do you think he dropped the champagne. They said, fuck it. I'm gonna grab it.
[00:56:21] Paul Scheer: So he went, he went to go put it on a side table, but then somebody grabs it before he puts it down. So it's like something, this is like my favorite story.
[00:56:30] Jessica St. Clair: A random hand?
[00:56:30] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:56:31] Jessica St. Clair: No, another person's hand comes in.
[00:56:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah.
[00:56:35] Paul Scheer: My friend worked, uh, my friend was an AD. Worked on lifetime movies, worked with a very famous actress, and every time they would say cut, she would drop whatever she was holding in her hand.
[00:56:52] Jessica St. Clair: That's a diva move.
[00:56:53] Paul Scheer: Yeah. And so they always had to make sure that they didn't call cut until something was down, or they had someone underneath her with like a blanket what to catch the things.
[00:57:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Like a big pool net?
[00:57:07] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Like, and. And I do feel like that's like you're right. I think that glass broke many times.
[00:57:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.
[00:57:15] Paul Scheer: By the way, we didn't talk about the strip scene on the night of the wedding.
[00:57:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Incredible, incredible stuff. The whole wedding is crazy. I mean, I, I could talk about I that forever. I could talk. The bathtub scene is deserving of at least an hour of our time, portland.
[00:57:35] Jessica St. Clair: First of all, is that his bathtub? His real bathtub?
[00:57:39] Jason Mantzoukas: And why is it a nautical theme?
[00:57:41] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.
[00:57:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Why is there a genuine nautical thing? There's like a, a fishing net behind him on the wall and all this crap. Also, he keeps trying to feed her champagne from a glass awkwardly. There's a second glass there. Pour her her own champagne.
[00:57:59] Paul Scheer: I am in the lower balcony.
[00:58:02] Jessica St. Clair: Woo.
[00:58:04] Paul Scheer: What do you have? What's your name? What's your question?
[00:58:06] Audience Member: Christina. Uh, it's more of a comment about Normad. I, uh, read an interview with John DeHart, where they asked him, what's up with the name Normad? And he said it was a typo, that it was meant to be Norman.
[00:58:20] Paul Scheer: Uh, amazing. Amazing.
[00:58:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.
[00:58:23] Jessica St. Clair: What the fuck?
[00:58:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Incredible stuff.
[00:58:28] Paul Scheer: They couldn't, couldn't afford the white out to make the fix. Alright. Yes. Your name, your question?
[00:58:32] Audience Member: I'm Scott. So, did you notice that when Huck was ironing his jeans, he put Budweiser on them to get the creases out?
[00:58:40] Jessica St. Clair: What?
[00:58:41] Paul Scheer: That's a good tip.
[00:58:42] Jason Mantzoukas: You got, you gotta do that, especially if it's raw denim.
[00:58:46] Jessica St. Clair: If you.
[00:58:47] Jason Mantzoukas: If it's Japanese salvage denim, you gotta soak it in beer.
[00:58:51] Jessica St. Clair: If you are two men in your sixties living together, you don't wanna come home and see your bro pantless ironing. Like that's every night for them. He's just pants less.
[00:59:05] Paul Scheer: By the way, I will say beer on jeans. I'm sure you can find a TikTok that tells you to do that.
[00:59:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, I'm certain.
[00:59:10] Paul Scheer: Michelob Ultra. That's the one you gotta use. Don't use.
[00:59:13] Jason Mantzoukas: You shouldn't be washing your denim. You should just be soaking it in a hoppy IPA.
[00:59:19] Paul Scheer: Yes. Your name, your question.
[00:59:20] Audience Member: Ryan. Uh, less of a question. More, uh, you guys missed out on Wing Houser's greatest credit, which is that he's Kohl Houser's father.
[00:59:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, wow.
[00:59:30] Paul Scheer: And that's why he looks. Right. 'Cause I was thinking.
[00:59:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.
[00:59:33] Audience Member: Uh, also his deescalation method when with his ex-wife is spit in her face.
[00:59:40] Jessica St. Clair: That's tough.
[00:59:41] Paul Scheer: Well, you know what she, she was asking for that alimony. I mean, by the way, how much.
[00:59:46] Jessica St. Clair: What about when she has her boob out and she said, and you never knew what to do with these.
[00:59:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:59:51] Jessica St. Clair: What does she say? Something like that.
[00:59:53] Jason Mantzoukas: That is what she says. When she rips her own shirt off to frame him. You never knew what to do with these either.
[01:00:03] Jessica St. Clair: Either either.
[01:00:04] Paul Scheer: I will say that rang false to me.
[01:00:08] Jason Mantzoukas: What?
[01:00:09] Paul Scheer: How women are like, you dunno how to use my breasts.
[01:00:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Goes around in the bedroom.
[01:00:13] Paul Scheer: You don't know how to use these.
[01:00:15] Jessica St. Clair: You know what? Every woman wants her boobs to be used in the right way. It's what we dream of as little girls. Yeah. Someday someone, a man's gonna come along and know how to use these.
[01:00:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah.
[01:00:28] Jessica St. Clair: And show me how they should be.
[01:00:30] Jason Mantzoukas: And you spend all that time being like, well, I can't wait till I have usable boobs. I can't wait till I've got usable boobs.
[01:00:37] Paul Scheer: Who's got the question?
[01:00:41] Audience Member: So you guys didn't talk about one of my favorite lines of the movie and he uses it a few times. So I think he wanted it to be the catchphrase. Uh, in the bar, someone says, ready to get hurt. And our hero says. Not a problem.
[01:01:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[01:01:02] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah. And he says that about hell, I'll see you in hell.
[01:01:05] And he says, not a problem. What does that mean? Yeah, what does that mean? I will be in hell and I'm cool with it.
[01:01:13] Paul Scheer: Not a problem. I'll get there'll get there when I'm good and damn ready.
[01:01:16] Jason Mantzoukas: He's cool in all situations.
[01:01:19] Jessica St. Clair: He is.
[01:01:19] Paul Scheer: Back row of a balcony. Last row, first row.
[01:01:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait.
[01:01:24] Jessica St. Clair: Wow.
[01:01:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Are they also wearing costumes?
[01:01:26] Paul Scheer: What?
[01:01:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Nothing. Go ahead.
[01:01:28] Paul Scheer: Great costumes. Great Costumes up here. We got some great costumes. All right. Who's gonna ask a question? All right. Hi.
[01:01:35] Audience Member: Uh, such a pleasure. Was I the only one? So first I listened to the end of a little bit of a director's commentary on the, on the film. I dunno if you were aware of this.
[01:01:43] Paul Scheer: No.
[01:01:43] Audience Member: He talks about how he's such a method actor. Uh, the whole history of theater. Um, which makes me wonder, was he actually falling asleep in the bathtub scene when Cindy was earning like Academy Award, after Academy Award?
[01:01:56] Paul Scheer: I think those, I think what we can take away from this movie is back meds are fucking serious.
[01:02:01] Jason Mantzoukas: I loved it. I loved it. It ripped in multiple scenes. He's kind of like.
[01:02:07] Jessica St. Clair: Like they're just like, John, John, don't go under the water. John John's, John's under the water.
[01:02:14] Paul Scheer: 12 hour days are a bitch. All right. Um, another back row, gentlemen, how are you? What's your name?
[01:02:21] Audience Member: Hi, I am Garrett. Uh, two things. Wings Hauser actually passed away on March 15th.
[01:02:29] Jessica St. Clair: Oh.
[01:02:30] Audience Member: Uh, and then I know none of you are necessarily financial advisors.
[01:02:36] Jason Mantzoukas: How do you know that? How do you know that?
[01:02:39] Paul Scheer: A lot of things. You could have a lot of things too.
[01:02:41] Jason Mantzoukas: How do you know that?
[01:02:43] Audience Member: In, in this, uh, tumultuous economy. Do you recommend taking my gas bill, my electric bill, my landlord shooting it and then flushing it down the toilet?
[01:02:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[01:03:00] Jessica St. Clair: Do it.
[01:03:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[01:03:01] Jessica St. Clair: Do it.
[01:03:02] Jason Mantzoukas: That is efficiency at work.
[01:03:05] Jessica St. Clair: Yes.
[01:03:06] Jason Mantzoukas: We are getting efficient in this government and we gotta shoot all of our bills.
[01:03:11] Jessica St. Clair: It was the tiniest gun too.
[01:03:13] Jason Mantzoukas: It was like a tiny little derringer.
[01:03:15] Paul Scheer: And it wasn't working. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when a gun clicks and nothing comes out, we're outta bullets. Go click, click.
[01:03:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait. What are you saying? What, what have you heard?
[01:03:30] Jessica St. Clair: But it felt like there was a malfunction in this toy gun because he.
[01:03:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes, because it, it probably only has two bullets in it.
[01:03:35] Jessica St. Clair: Yes.
[01:03:36] Jason Mantzoukas: And he has like a bunch of shit. He's got too many bills.
[01:03:38] Jessica St. Clair: He has so many bills.
[01:03:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Thank God he expended all the bullets on those bills because when his ex-wife came over, he would've shot her.
[01:03:46] Paul Scheer: Now we talked about, did you know, maybe Pixar see this film and title one of their characters Scar. Uh, but he did say this is supposed to be a, a surrealist movie. Alright? It was shot a year before Pulp Fiction, and he believes it's kind of the inspiration for Pulp Fiction.
[01:04:06] Jessica St. Clair: What?
[01:04:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Of course. I see. I see. We all see it.
[01:04:09] Paul Scheer: He also says, but really where he takes inspiration is from Clockwork Orange.
[01:04:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Of course, we all see that. This is Kubrickian in its intensity and it's, it's scintillating analysis of violence.
[01:04:25] Paul Scheer: The government killed Kennedy. That's what's hidden in this movie, that all the clues are there. Just like Kubrick. The Shining said that we faked the moon landing this show that we killed Kennedy. Here's the rub. The movie is based on a true story. Sean was a limo driver and one of his routine clients was a young 20-year-old. One night she started crying and confessed that she had been witness to a Satanic cult in Riverside County.
[01:04:52] Jessica St. Clair: What the.
[01:04:52] Paul Scheer: Where a baby was sacrificed.
[01:04:54] Jessica St. Clair: No. What are you talking about?
[01:04:56] Paul Scheer: Not wanting to push her for more details. Since she was so distraught, he figured he would ask her some other time. A week after her confession, she was dead.
[01:05:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Whoa.
[01:05:11] Paul Scheer: From a motorcycle accident, which he suspects was homicide. The police labeled it an accident, but John believed it was deliberate, so he put out an award for any information and that prompted the police to raid his home, believing he was responsible.
[01:05:37] Jason Mantzoukas: What?
[01:05:38] Jessica St. Clair: Oh my God.
[01:05:40] Jason Mantzoukas: So not only does he not solve this murder, he becomes.
[01:05:44] Jessica St. Clair: He gets framed.
[01:05:45] Jason Mantzoukas: He becomes the suspect, a person of interest.
[01:05:49] Paul Scheer: And that is.
[01:05:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.
[01:05:52] Paul Scheer: Wow. Now, obviously there are a lot of people out there that have different opinions about this movie, but now it is time for us to hear a second opinion.
[01:06:09] Audience Member: Is there more soft core porn in this one, Huck was dying, but now he's in contempt and drinking beer. So shimmy slide in cowboy year, sex in the bath and covens that aren't great with children. Another shot for the poet thinks you look good in that thong. Fake your death. And save your change. 'cause we're saving up for new personality. Recording bad sound while these people get down. So thankful this movie is streaming. I'll be your polyester puppet. I give this movie five stars, Champagne and Bullets.
[01:06:55] Paul Scheer: Amazing. What's your name? What's your name?
[01:06:57] Jason Mantzoukas: What's your name?
[01:06:59] Audience Member: Oh, uh, my name's Jane.
[01:07:01] Paul Scheer: Give it up!.
[01:07:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, you know what? I'm mad I forgot to do, I wanted to like, they do a lot in the, in the Satanist scene.
[01:07:10] There will be just like an off camera. Like, we love you satan.
[01:07:13] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah.
[01:07:14] Jason Mantzoukas: I wanted to just pepper that in throughout the show. Oh, we love you Satan. We love you Satan. It's just so casual.
[01:07:22] Jessica St. Clair: We love you Satan.
[01:07:23] Paul Scheer: Well, um, I'll tell you this much. This is an interesting one. There are no reviews for this movie on Amazon.
[01:07:29] Jessica St. Clair: Really?
[01:07:30] Jason Mantzoukas: So there, there are no reviews for any of the three versions?
[01:07:34] Paul Scheer: I guess maybe this version, there are four total reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. None of them are five stars. So we've kind of pulled these from different spots. This one is, uh, from Cooper Steve 67 and wrote,
[01:07:48] "Would've given this 10 stars if I could have heard the conversation at the restaurant over the chewing."
[01:07:54] Jason Mantzoukas: It's incredible. The chewing is, so, the chewing and the song are so loud.
[01:08:01] Paul Scheer: Uh, and then says
[01:08:02] "Wings Hauser is lovable as Huck, but obviously Brad Pitt used it for inspiration in 12 monkeys."
[01:08:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes, yes. Very, very much feels that way.
[01:08:14] Paul Scheer: Ends is review by saying
[01:08:15] "The bail bond scene was very informative. There were more paperwork instructions given by the bail bondsman than I ever got. When my family was in trouble."
[01:08:25] Jessica St. Clair: Wow. Because that's true. There was a very long scene, if you remember. He's like, we have to duplicate this. Yeah, we gotta sign here. Hold on a second. More signings.
[01:08:36] Paul Scheer: From conceptual editing. Uh, this is written,
[01:08:39] "I've been, and I am a mainstream film editor.
[01:08:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Flex.
[01:08:45] Paul Scheer: "Since 1985. I viewed this film Road to Revenge more than once. Each time has been better. John DeHart, Wings Hauser and William Smith give magnificent performance. The message is good over evil, and it's delivered in a surrealist style. This is a standup film that is character driven with substance and good continuity. This movie is worth seeing over and over. You'll come away with something new each time.
[01:09:13] I am one of the many that really appreciate the work. If you check the rating votes, you'll see that every lady voted. Gave it 10 stars."
[01:09:23] Jason Mantzoukas: What?
[01:09:23] Paul Scheer: "I happen to be a man."
[01:09:25] Jessica St. Clair: This is John.
[01:09:26] Paul Scheer: Yeah. This might be a John.
[01:09:27] Jessica St. Clair: This is John. I think that's John.
[01:09:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[01:09:29] Paul Scheer: Well maybe it is.
[01:09:30] Jason Mantzoukas: It for sure is because of the use of the word surrealist.
[01:09:32] Jessica St. Clair: Yeah, it's John.
[01:09:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Because he thinks it's a surrealist tone poem.
[01:09:37] Paul Scheer: "If you haven't seen this movie, you might need to die."
[01:09:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Thank, by the way. Thank God we watched it.
[01:09:48] Paul Scheer: And then this one also from Letterbox, from Chive Onion.
[01:09:52] "Apparently you can just make a movie."
[01:09:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Yes.
[01:09:58] Jessica St. Clair: And that's what's so inspiring about it.
[01:10:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[01:10:01] Jessica St. Clair: Yes.
[01:10:01] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean like, shame on us for not doing it. Yeah.
[01:10:04] Jessica St. Clair: 150%.
[01:10:06] Paul Scheer: Uh, he said, you know, self-finance, he said he could have retired three times over if he would've just not made the movie.
[01:10:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Not done this.
[01:10:13] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[01:10:14] Uh, Jason, what do you wanna plug?
[01:10:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, I don't wanna plug, I, I still have things to talk about in this movie.
[01:10:20] Paul Scheer: Oh yeah, of course. By the way, I didn't ask the question that we, I ask the question.
[01:10:24] Jason Mantzoukas: How about, how about when they go to her parents' house and they're so mean to Cindy, right? There's so mean to her and she's acting like that. She was caught smoking. She was caught killing a baby. Her parents are right. She's bad.
[01:10:40] Paul Scheer: Oh, wait, I remember a moment that I wanna talk about at the end when they're making the big drug deal, this is a drug deal that's gonna change the game.
[01:10:47] The guy, like, he is like, well, we're gonna have a long relationship if you figure out how to get more of this. And then the guy's like calls his like supplier to say it's good. You speak English in my house. What? Why are we taking this stand?
[01:11:02] Jason Mantzoukas: How about after Cindy's killed? When there's a whole scene that takes place between Huck and Rick, where Rick is just hitting a heavy bag. Rick's just like ba, ba, ba, and it's so loud. It's as loud in the mix as the chewing sounds.
[01:11:19] Paul Scheer: Here's a a fun fact about John DeHart, not a fan of action films.
[01:11:25] Jessica St. Clair: Boy, you would've thought he would've studied them. Maybe that's why some of the connective tissue is missing in this movie.
[01:11:32] Paul Scheer: This was meant to be his demo reel that would've launched his acting career. Uh, 'cause he was tired of never being cast as a lead.
[01:11:40] Jason Mantzoukas: The, the tub sex scene.
[01:11:43] Jessica St. Clair: Oh, we're back on that.
[01:11:44] Jason Mantzoukas: They go back to sex twice. They go back to fucking twice. And there is, let me be clear in that scene, a song that is being sung that has an extensive spoken word portion of the song.
[01:11:58] Jessica St. Clair: See, I didn't see that.
[01:11:59] Jason Mantzoukas: It's, oh.
[01:12:00] Jessica St. Clair: The short, I saw the shorter version.
[01:12:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, you are, you. Oh, it was.
[01:12:03] Jessica St. Clair: I'm missing it. I'm gonna go back and revisit.
[01:12:05] Jason Mantzoukas: You're worse for it. It's so good.
[01:12:07] Paul Scheer: I'll go around the horn here. Do you recommend this movie?
[01:12:09] Jason Mantzoukas: 100%. Yes. I cannot recommend this enough. This is, if you haven't seen this, but you're listening to the episode, this is in the realm of the Miami Connection.
[01:12:22] This is in the realm of Birdemic.
[01:12:24] Paul Scheer: This is in the high. This is really one of the greats.
[01:12:27] Jason Mantzoukas: This is absolutely phenomenal. Samurai Cop, didn't we?
[01:12:31] Paul Scheer: Oh, yeah.
[01:12:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Wasn't that one.
[01:12:32] Paul Scheer: Absolutely.
[01:12:32] Jason Mantzoukas: We recently did that felt very homemade.
[01:12:34] Paul Scheer: And And Scar is in Samurai Cop.
[01:12:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Is he?
[01:12:36] Paul Scheer: Yep.
[01:12:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Fuck yeah. And Scar is he Scar in everything?
[01:12:40] The Scar averse.
[01:12:42] Paul Scheer: I love the scar averse. Jess?
[01:12:46] Jessica St. Clair: I'm different. I, I've changed and I don't know if it's a good thing.
[01:12:52] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean, at the end of this tour, how do you feel?
[01:12:54] Jessica St. Clair: I feel unwell. I mean, I feel.
[01:12:57] Paul Scheer: Will you do a breakdown of this tour on the Deep Dive?
[01:13:01] Jessica St. Clair: I hate to give men more of a, of a platform than this, than these last five movies have been given. No, I, here's the thing. This movie takes you on a journey. You, you, you hate that You're watching it and then you realize that he lives in all of us.
[01:13:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[01:13:19] Jessica St. Clair: Do you know what I mean?
[01:13:20] Jason Mantzoukas: We are pursuing this.
[01:13:21] Jessica St. Clair: And he's braver than any of us have ever been.
[01:13:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[01:13:24] Jessica St. Clair: To put your art out there.
[01:13:26] Paul Scheer: I would love you to interview him.
[01:13:28] Jason Mantzoukas: What?
[01:13:28] Paul Scheer: On the Deep Dive?
[01:13:30] Jessica St. Clair: Honestly.
[01:13:30] Paul Scheer: It would be fantastic.
[01:13:32] Jessica St. Clair: Bless him.
[01:13:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[01:13:33] Jessica St. Clair: Bless him for taking the, the, the risk and giving us all this joy.
[01:13:37] Jason Mantzoukas: A true leap of faith. A truly leap of faith to put something this personal out there.
[01:13:41] Paul Scheer: A hundred percent. And maybe stopping and maybe stopping a real life Satanic cult. We don't know. That could have been.
[01:13:48] Jessica St. Clair: Oh, that I feel like we skated over that. This is based on a true story.
[01:13:52] Jason Mantzoukas: We love you, satan.
[01:13:53] Jessica St. Clair: Is just fucking crazy.
[01:13:56] Paul Scheer: I love it. There's nothing more to say, more than thank you, Michael Weber, for recommending this film, bringing it to Portland. You have been an amazing audience.
[01:14:05] Give it up for Jason Mantzoukas! Jessica St. Clair! I am Paul Scheer! Thank you so much for being here.
[01:14:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Eat shit Portland. Eat shit.
[01:14:17] Paul Scheer: That's a wrap on our Doppelganger Tour. A big thank you to Jessica St. Clair as she helped us retitle the Doppelganger Tour too. Yes, the Beefcake Tour. We had such a great time with Jess, and now June will be back full time.
[01:14:32] But a big thank you to our tour manager, Beth Thomas and the amazing staff at the Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall. Now our t-shirt for this episode is pretty great. It's John De Hart's face on a quarter with the inscription, Satan, allegedly, and the quote. Here's a quarter, buy yourself a personality. Just click on the merch link at HDTGM.com and buy this shirt and more.
[01:14:55] You can even get our official, How Did This Get Made Hats. It's all at HDTGM.com. Now we're gonna hear your thoughts next week on the Last Looks episode. So gimme a call at 619 P-A-U-L-A-S-K or just go to our discord at Discord.gg/hdtgm. Now here's the thing, Jason's gonna be back on. Last Looks. We're gonna get into a lot of fun stuff.
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[01:16:21] Bye for now.