Wesley Snipes and Gary Busey star in the 1994 skydiving thriller Drop Zone, which believe it or not is Busey's second film about skydiving criminals after Point Break. Paul, Jason, and June break down the opening plane heist, all the mid-air 69ing, the copy machine kill, Wesley Snipes punching Yancy Butler, Swoop's antics, and so much more. Does this movie feature a classic Loosey Busey? Tune in to find out!
Wesley Snipes and Gary Busey star in the 1994 skydiving thriller Drop Zone, which believe it or not is Busey's second film about skydiving criminals after Point Break. Paul, Jason, and June break down the opening plane heist, all the mid-air 69ing, the copy machine kill, Wesley Snipes punching Yancy Butler, Swoop's antics, and so much more. Does this movie feature a classic Loosey Busey? Tune in to find out!
[00:00:00] Paul Scheer: A designated, often unobstructed area where parachutists, paratroopers or air drop supplies land. Now if that doesn't sound like an action movie, I don't know what does. We saw Drop Zone. So you know what that means.
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[00:00:17] Paul Scheer: Hello, people of Earth, and welcome to How Did This Get Made. This is a show where we talk about the misunderstood classics.
[00:00:25] That's right, this week we're talking about the 1994 film Drop Zone with Wesley Snipes. Uh, it's kind of like Point Break, but less complicated and oddly more confusing. Uh, if you want to know what happens and you have not seen the movie, brief setup. Uh, you got Wesley Snipes. He is, uh, trying to transport this prisoner, uh, Michael Jeter, to prison, but in the middle of their flight, uh, they are hijacked by terrorists, uh, led by Gary Busey, who, uh, not only take the prisoner, but also kill Wesley Snipes' partner.
[00:00:57] Jason Mantzoukas: And brother.
[00:00:58] Paul Scheer: Wesley Snipes has to -
[00:00:58] Jason Mantzoukas: And brother.
[00:01:00] Paul Scheer: ... and brother. And brother . And long story short, uh, Wesley Snipes, uh, has to team up with a bunch of skydivers to uncover a plot of a former DE agent who is-
[00:01:12] June Diane Raphael: Oh my God.
[00:01:12] Paul Scheer: ... using h- uh, skydiving to break into big buildings. Anyway, welcome to the show my two co-hosts, uh, J-
[00:01:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Just that. Just the, just you attempting to get through the explanation was incredible.
[00:01:25] Paul Scheer: Oh my gosh. Uh, please welcome Jason Mantzoukas and June Diane Raphael. How are you both?
[00:01:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow. I mean, just watched it. Ah. Just watched it, and-
[00:01:33] June Diane Raphael: Just finished ...
[00:01:33] Jason Mantzoukas: I've, I, I probably won't be the same for the rest of my life.
[00:01:37] June Diane Raphael: It's so interesting, 'cause I just fini- well, actually, not just.
[00:01:40] I say, you know, it's 3:00 right now, probably finished at 2:30, and then I immediately, and I mean immediately, needed a nap.
[00:01:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. It's exhausting.
[00:01:49] June Diane Raphael: I, and it put, it, it put me to bed. I wasn't tired watching it, but like something happened to me where I was like- I think it f- ... I gotta go to bed ...
[00:01:56] Jason Mantzoukas: it makes you feel like you're breathing thin air in the atmosphere- at th- at 37,000 feet.
[00:02:02] June Diane Raphael: Oh my God, so many things happening in the sky-
[00:02:06] Jason Mantzoukas: For no reason ...
[00:02:07] June Diane Raphael: That could happen on the ground.
[00:02:09] Paul Scheer: Yep.
[00:02:09] Jason Mantzoukas: There- oh, yeah.
[00:02:10] Paul Scheer: ... by the way, I, I'd also argue that this is a movie about parachuting that does not understand how parachutes work.
[00:02:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep.
[00:02:16] Paul Scheer: Especially in the third act, because parachutes are being reopened, closed, pulling people while they're walking. There's a lot of parachute work.
[00:02:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, this was, wait, wait, sorry. Paul, I know you just said it, but I've al-
[00:02:26] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:02:26] Jason Mantzoukas: ... ready, it's already escaped my mind. What year?
[00:02:29] Paul Scheer: Well, I, this is what I wanted to talk to you about.
[00:02:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Cause it feels like - this is a- ... it f- yeah, the movie feels like it's, parachutes are brand new. Or something.
[00:02:37] Paul Scheer: Well, that's the thing that's absolutely wild. Uh, it, I don't believe that parachuting is new-
[00:02:43] Jason Mantzoukas: No.
[00:02:43] Paul Scheer: ... but it feels like, it feels like they're talking about it like rollerblades.
[00:02:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:02:47] Paul Scheer: Like, do you know what this culture is?
[00:02:49] June Diane Raphael: Have you heard of it?
[00:02:50] Jason Mantzoukas: It feels like extreme sports, you know, or something like that.
[00:02:54] June Diane Raphael: And I would ask, I, I, you know, and I'm sure I'm wrong. I would've Googled this, but I had to go to sleep. It, yeah- Is skydiving a competitive sport?
[00:03:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Ooh, uh, uh, I don't know, and I mean, I'm certain there must have been weirdos trying to do stunts and nonsense, but like the, the, the DC, um, the third act event that all- ... of the teams from all over the country, including the good guys team and the bad guys team, are all at like a competition or a-
[00:03:27] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:03:27] Jason Mantzoukas: A sh- an exposition or a showcase. I don't know what it is.
[00:03:30] Paul Scheer: Well, they get to parachute into a fireworks display, which seems, uh, ill-advised.
[00:03:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Terrible.
[00:03:36] June Diane Raphael: It's very dangerous.
[00:03:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Terrible.
[00:03:37] June Diane Raphael: The one spot you shouldn't parachute.
[00:03:39] Jason Mantzoukas: I would think.
[00:03:40] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:03:40] June Diane Raphael: Well, the reason why, but this, so here's the thing, 'cause I was also... I was obsessed with the fact that like the big event was at, in DC- Mm-hmm ... first of all. Like why?
[00:03:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Um- Oh, on, by the way, for just to, just for time's sake, not to timestamp this, I don't know when this episode will come out, but on the, on the Mall, on the Reflecting Pool, they're parachuting into the Washington Monument as we are currently tearing it out of the ground.
[00:04:05] June Diane Raphael: That's right. But I, here, here's the thing. I can understand... Well, can I understand? If there's the biggest event in the skydiving community, I can see it in like Hawaii or, you know, coast-
[00:04:19] Paul Scheer: Right ...
[00:04:19] June Diane Raphael: s- some place where it's like, oh, the, the landscape is so gorgeous to look at. DC- Metro DC ... one of the reasons, Metro DC- Well- one of the reasons they said it w- uh, aside from it being the Fourth of July, okay. But okay, but one of the reasons they want DC is because they never have access to the airspace.
[00:04:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Correct.
[00:04:43] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:04:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:04:43] Paul Scheer: Because it, there, and, and by the way, that is the reason why that accident did just recently happen in DC.
[00:04:48] June Diane Raphael: Crowded airspace.
[00:04:49] Paul Scheer: Very crowded airspace. So this is the moment-
[00:04:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:04:51] Paul Scheer: ... that they can finally get to see the beauty of DC- ... from above.
[00:04:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, my God. Well, I think that what the, we're meant to believe is that, um, the skydiving event, them creating this, uh, uh, uh, uh, geometric pattern of people in the sky-
[00:05:06] June Diane Raphael: And jason-
[00:05:07] Paul Scheer: It's so lame.
[00:05:07] June Diane Raphael: One, one pattern. One pattern.
[00:05:09] Jason Mantzoukas: It's for the people on the ground, not the skydivers. I don't think this is like, "Hey, we're gonna get a great view." I think it's for the people on the ground to look up and be like, "Oh, I guess they're in concentric circles. My mind is blown."
[00:05:20] Like I don't understand why do we think this was so cool?
[00:05:24] Paul Scheer: Also- It's, it's for the people, but it's also for the skydivers. Like they-
[00:05:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah.
[00:05:27] Paul Scheer: ... it's sort of like we're putting on a show, but we also get to audition to be in this show.
[00:05:32] June Diane Raphael: To get there, to be in the show.
[00:05:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah.
[00:05:33] June Diane Raphael: That seems to be a big part of it, but here's my question. So- The, they audition for it, and that's when, w- during the audition sequence, that's when one of our, our teams, the good guys, one of them gets hurt-
[00:05:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Sabotaged.
[00:05:50] June Diane Raphael: ... midair, sabotaged midair.
[00:05:52] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:05:52] June Diane Raphael: Okay, fine.
[00:05:52] Paul Scheer: The second sabotage.
[00:05:54] June Diane Raphael: He's out. He's out. So-
[00:05:55] Paul Scheer: By the way, we are talking about the third act of this movie.
[00:05:57] June Diane Raphael: I know.
[00:05:58] Paul Scheer: We will get back, we will get back to the front.
[00:05:59] June Diane Raphael: We'll go back. We'll go all the way back. So we're just, yeah. So don't worry. Yeah. But just know, just know this. Then both teams, I guess, move forward to go, to perform in the actual show?
[00:06:08] Paul Scheer: Well, there's a lot of people in the, in the big diamond design, yeah.
[00:06:11] June Diane Raphael: Oh, there's a lot of people. So then we're in the actual show. And to my surprise, it's at nighttime, okay? But I guess when you see the fireworks. So why isn't there ever a shot, though? When you see their sky suits, they have lights on them which I thought was kinda cool. But we never see them from the audience's perspective from the ground.
[00:06:29] Paul Scheer: Well, no, the movie can't spend that time because the drop has nothing to do with the crime, right? The drop, like, they just need to get up in the airspace-
[00:06:38] June Diane Raphael: But why can't they- ... so they can pretend- Why can't we see... I know, but they do make that shape. Why couldn't we see that shape from the ground?
[00:06:44] Jason Mantzoukas: I agree 100% with you, June, and I also thought it was very strange, and I think the reason is because they're using this Fourth of July event on the Mall- Right ... on the re- at the Reflecting Pool as if it is what they're jumping into.
[00:06:59] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:06:59] Jason Mantzoukas: But the action of the movie is actually not taking place there, so th- I don't think they wanted to stock the Mall with... I think that's just B-roll. I don't think they wanted to stock the Mall with people, pay for extras, pay... It'd be so big for th- for our good guys and bad guys just to go to the DEA building instead of the Mall.
[00:07:17] Paul Scheer: Now, I will say this, uh, you know, we don't, we're not getting into politics here, but when this movie was shot, it looks like people are treating that Mall disgustingly. Like, there's a guy- There's- ... juggling fire batons in it. Somebody's, like, walking in it. Somebody bike riding in it.
[00:07:31] June Diane Raphael: Drain the swamp.
[00:07:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, my God.
[00:07:32] June Diane Raphael: Drain the swamp.
[00:07:33] Jason Mantzoukas: The single person in the pool up to his waist juggling pins on fire blew my entire mind.
[00:07:40] June Diane Raphael: I was obsessed-
[00:07:41] Jason Mantzoukas: I was like, "What is this?"
[00:07:41] June Diane Raphael: ... with the guy, two, two people, who had, were on bikes in the Reflecting Pool.
[00:07:47] Paul Scheer: Yeah, that's, that's... They were- They were- ... going upstream.
[00:07:49] June Diane Raphael: They were going upstream, like, trying to ride their bikes upstream in the water.
[00:07:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. What was?
[00:07:55] June Diane Raphael: What the fuck is going on?
[00:07:56] Paul Scheer: It just, it felt like a Saturday afternoon. Now, here's what I'll tell you, because the, the original question that got us off on this, and yes, we'll be talking about skydiving a lot, when was skydiving invented? Well, people say the person who invented it, Leonardo da Vinci. That's right. Leonardo da Vinci is, conceived the idea.
[00:08:13] June Diane Raphael: Whose people? Whose people?
[00:08:14] Jason Mantzoukas: From the movie that we did where, uh...
[00:08:16] Paul Scheer: What movie did we do? Uh, yeah, Hudson Hawk, was it?
[00:08:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Hudson Hawk, was it?
[00:08:18] Paul Scheer: But yeah, so, so basically, um, the first official parachute jump was in 1797. 1797, and I will say that looking through the history of skydiving and, and jumping, it seems like the '70s became a very big part of, like, more recreational jumps. Um, and then there was, like this, in the '70s it was, uh, doing a lot more of these formations. And then according to this website, Skydive New England-
[00:08:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, nice.
[00:08:47] Paul Scheer: ... in 1982, that was a huge year for skydiving because they invented the three-ring system, uh, which was a, better to not have accidents. And it really does seem that '89 is the last year of true skydiving innovation, which was...
[00:09:06] And these are all ways to prevent you from dying. Like, uh, '83 and '89, basically the big inventions are things to prevent your chute from not opening. But it, like, as far as, like-
[00:09:17] June Diane Raphael: All right. Well, that seems important ...
[00:09:18] Paul Scheer: Pop culture-
[00:09:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Like, safety features, and like-
[00:09:20] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:09:21] Jason Mantzoukas: ... so it be- it became something not just for, like, the military and/or, like-
[00:09:26] Paul Scheer: No.
[00:09:26] Jason Mantzoukas: True daredevils. It could be anybody could take a class on a weekend, and you could skydive, you know?
[00:09:31] June Diane Raphael: Now, let me say something.
[00:09:33] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:09:33] June Diane Raphael: Because I know we've spoken pretty negatively about the movie so far, and I wanna offer something positive. So for a few years, probably two years, I worked at Puck Fair in New York City, and one of the bartenders was a skydiver. He's from Australia, and the intense energy that was coming off of him, and the sort of m- mania, I'll say it, behind his eyes, bright blonde hair, looked like Gary Busey.
[00:10:03] Paul Scheer: Feel like you dated this person.
[00:10:05] June Diane Raphael: I did, I didn't-
[00:10:06] Paul Scheer: Okay ...
[00:10:07] June Diane Raphael: Paul. But, but they did capture a certain quality about these skydivers.
[00:10:17] Paul Scheer: Yeah. About the perm and an adrenaline junkie.
[00:10:20] June Diane Raphael: Yes.
[00:10:20] Jason Mantzoukas: I ag- I agree, and I thought they did a great job of this. Um, i- only to be outdone, I would say, by Point Break. You know?
[00:10:28] June Diane Raphael: Yes. Yes, of course.
[00:10:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Another Gary Busey skydiving movie about heists.
[00:10:34] June Diane Raphael: Yes, yes, yes.
[00:10:34] Jason Mantzoukas: Which is so weird ...
[00:10:36] Paul Scheer: By the way, Point Break came out three years earlier than this.
[00:10:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Earlier, that's what I was gonna ask.
[00:10:41] Paul Scheer: Earlier. Yes, okay. So this is like, Point Break came out in 1991, this came out in 1994.
[00:10:45] Jason Mantzoukas: I feel like Busey was like, "Oh, man, I'm bummed. I, I had to be a good guy in Point Break. I wanna be one of the bad guys- Yeah ... so I'll do this one." We, I really wanna say this- ... and I mean this in all earnestness.
[00:10:56] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:10:56] June Diane Raphael: Go ahead.
[00:10:57] Jason Mantzoukas: I think we are missing out on an opportunity. How have we done so few Gary Busey movies? I think he is-
[00:11:05] Paul Scheer: You know.
[00:11:06] Jason Mantzoukas: ... he's gotta have a, a library, a catalog of movies we should be doing.
[00:11:11] Paul Scheer: Summer of Busey, maybe it should be Summer of Gary.
[00:11:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh my God.
[00:11:13] Paul Scheer: Uh-
[00:11:14] Jason Mantzoukas: That maybe it is-
[00:11:14] Paul Scheer: ... son of, Son of Busey Summer.
[00:11:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh my God, Hot Busey Summer.
[00:11:18] Paul Scheer: Uh-
[00:11:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Bad Boy Busey.
[00:11:19] June Diane Raphael: I agree. He's, he is compelling on screen.
[00:11:22] Jason Mantzoukas: He's electric.
[00:11:23] June Diane Raphael: I mean, absolutely electric.
[00:11:25] Paul Scheer: His death in this movie is a great tight cl- like, he is falling from the building, and you get a tight close-up of, of his face, and he is known to have a big mouth and a big jaw.
[00:11:34] Like, he is going for it.
[00:11:35] June Diane Raphael: He's a cartoon character.
[00:11:35] Paul Scheer: I did a movie. Oh yeah, I did a movie with Gary Busey, and-
[00:11:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Whoa.
[00:11:39] Paul Scheer: ... yeah. And, uh, and I was never on set at the same time, but when I first came to set, um, the lead actor had a, um, a neck brace on. And I said, uh-
[00:11:50] June Diane Raphael: Oh ...
[00:11:50] Paul Scheer: What happened here? And he said, "Um, Gary Busey was flirting with, uh, my girlfriend in the movie, and, uh, he saw me as a threat because in the movie I'm her boyfriend and he kicked me in the throat."
[00:12:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, my God.
[00:12:09] June Diane Raphael: Well, by the way- He's like, he's fully unhinged ... there is that moment at the ba- yes, there's a moment at the bar scene where he's excited about something, I don't know what's happening, and he kisses the woman on their team-
[00:12:18] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:12:18] June Diane Raphael: ... as a phrase, and I felt for sure that that was just, that was not scripted.
[00:12:24] That was, nobody co-signed on that. Like-
[00:12:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, that's, that's a cl- that's what they call a classic Lucy Busey.
[00:12:28] June Diane Raphael: That was 1,000% a Lucy Busey ...
[00:12:31] Paul Scheer: A Lucy Busey indeed. Now, I'll tell you this much. I, I, I, I wanna put two things here because this is how I feel about this movie. This whole movie is Lucy Busey because this is Wesley Snipes at the peak of his career.
[00:12:43] Like, just listen to this. Like, he's doing Mo' Better Blues, New Jack City, Jungle Fever, White Men Can't Jump, Passenger 57, Boiling Point: Rising Sun, Demolition Man, Drop Zone, right? So these are, like, he is a box office star, and there is an energy-
[00:12:58] June Diane Raphael: Tax evasion.
[00:13:00] Paul Scheer: Well, yes. Tha- that's coming. Uh, I will tell you-
[00:13:02] Jason Mantzoukas: That's, I don't know if that's yet. I think that's coming.
[00:13:04] Paul Scheer: That's later.
[00:13:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:13:05] Paul Scheer: He did build a pyramid. I believe there is a pyramid.
[00:13:07] June Diane Raphael: But I wonder if these movies are the movies he didn't claim.
[00:13:11] Jason Mantzoukas: The, the, the, the, yeah, the, these are the paychecks he was trying
[00:13:13] June Diane Raphael: He never claimed.
[00:13:14] Jason Mantzoukas: ... to, to obfuscate.
[00:13:16] Paul Scheer: Yes. You know, I will tell you this, that there's an energy of him in this movie that feels like I am untouchable, I will do whatever I want, which means I'm gonna wear what I want- Yeah
[00:13:25] and I'm gonna say what I want. Because when you open up on that scene of Wesley Snipes and his brother, Malcolm-Jamal Warner, uh, as they are in the car, I'm like, "This wasn't scripted." This is just two guys.
[00:13:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:13:37] Paul Scheer: I mean, listen to it.
[00:13:38] Movie Audio: You gotta be sick of those tired two-month relationships. Problem is you're not meeting the right kind of woman. A woman who will run with the wolves. Somebody who'll at least keep you interested.
[00:13:49] Run with the wolves?
[00:13:50] Yeah.
[00:13:51] Man, I told you about watching too much of that Oprah shit.
[00:13:55] Come on, Pete. A little excitement's not gonna kill you.
[00:13:57] Terry, I like the women nice, quiet, and dull. You know what I'm saying? Not like that Mongolian feminist that you set me up with.
[00:14:05] June Diane Raphael: You don't think Mongolian feminist was scripted?
[00:14:10] Paul Scheer: I mean, right? It was like, what i- like, I was literally looking- Yeah ... I was like, this is the first time we're meeting these guys. There's nothing in here that gives me, like, any re- like, and I'm like, and that's what this whole movie feels like. It just feels like-
[00:14:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:14:23] Paul Scheer: Wesley Snipes is like, "I'll, I'll drive a car like this sometimes. Sometimes I'm gonna drive a motorcycle. And then when they ask me where my car is, I'm like, 'Don't worry about it.'" Like, it's there are, there, there's just like, he feels like he is running around this.
[00:14:36] June Diane Raphael: Thank you for saying that, Paul, 'cause I almost rewinded and I was like, did I miss a scene where he lost his car?
[00:14:40] Paul Scheer: Nope. No.
[00:14:41] Jason Mantzoukas: It, uh, the movie feels, the movie is basically like, "Uh, don't worry about it. You're dumb. Don't, uh, just, just l- just let us, just let us cook." You know? It, it almost feels like they, they shot it, you know, over the course of years or something. And, you know, like, it feels so... And it's, it, this is a John Badham movie.
[00:14:59] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:14:59] Jason Mantzoukas: This is a very good d- like, journeyman director. Um, th- this is like, I understand how we got to make this movie and why, like, a top of his game Wesley Snipes would be like, "Absolutely, I wanna do this." A Point Break-style action, you know, um, a, a Daredevil. Uh, what's so interesting, though, is that he allowed himself to be scared.
[00:15:22] You know? Like, he didn't like it. He wasn't like... Like, Keanu Reeves in Point Break gets, i- he's just as much of a junkie as the bad guys are.
[00:15:32] June Diane Raphael: Mm-hmm.
[00:15:32] Jason Mantzoukas: You know what I mean? Like, he gets into it, but Wesley Snipes is not only bad at this, he's scared of it. You know?
[00:15:38] Paul Scheer: Well, and that's, and to me, the best part of this movie, and I wanna play just a section of it, is Wesley Snipes' ADR lines or his grunts and groans as he's falling because he does really go for it. He's like... Well, here.
[00:16:04] And it's all like, "Uh, uh, ooh, ah, ooh."
[00:16:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Help me. Help me.
[00:16:10] Paul Scheer: I've never, I've never seen anyone so scared in a movie, and I loved it.
[00:16:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, what I loved about it too is, like, when we talk, we talk so often about, like, how modern action stars, your Vin Diesels, your The Rocks, your pe- people are unwilling to lose a fight, unwilling to take a punch. Unwilling to get knocked down, unwilling to-
[00:16:29] Paul Scheer: Unwilling to hit a woman in the face.
[00:16:32] Jason Mantzoukas: But, but Wesley Snipes is like, "I'm... No, no, please, let me be fearful. Let me be bad at this. Let me be."
[00:16:39] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:16:39] Jason Mantzoukas: And I'm like, this would never happen now, that he would somehow fall out of a plane and, and have to ask for help and be rescued by the, the, the woman who is, like, who, who...
[00:16:50] By the way, he's first in a plane crash where his brother dies, and then he's immediately in a prop plane with a skydiving crew, and, um, what's, what's the woman's name? Yancey, um-
[00:17:03] June Diane Raphael: Yancey. Uh.
[00:17:03] Paul Scheer: Yancey Butler.
[00:17:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Yancey Butler-
[00:17:05] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:17:05] Jason Mantzoukas: ... just hits a button and drops him out of the airplane without telling him.
[00:17:09] Paul Scheer: He's sitting, like, balled up with his knees to his chest, and like- Yeah
[00:17:12] it's, it was such a emasculating pose for an action movie lead to drop like a bullet, like a sack of potatoes.
[00:17:20] June Diane Raphael: Well, that's the thing that's tricky about skydiving i- in, in action movies is... And I, I, this is where I have sympathy for the movie. I mean, I, I guess Point Break was able to do it a lot more successfully, but y- there's so much goofy-looking stuff- so it's like you look pretty silly with your suit on. You look really silly when you're just flying down, like, looking like a flying squirrel pose, and then once you have to put your parachute up, you look like a little kid. When you have someone on your back, that's funny and silly. W- you know, there's no way-
[00:17:56] Paul Scheer: Right. There's nothing cool about it.
[00:17:57] June Diane Raphael: ... when you land on the ground that's funny, 'cause you, you fall on the ground.
[00:18:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:18:02] June Diane Raphael: Like, there's nothing, even r- even when you're steering back and forth, it's pretty goofy. It's like-
[00:18:07] Jason Mantzoukas: You hear like, "Woo, woo, woo"
[00:18:09] And then when you, well, there's a number of instances where someone needs to be rescued midair.
[00:18:15] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:18:15] Jason Mantzoukas: And the person has somebody, has to like z- the only time it's cool is when the parachute isn't open and the person gets all tight and is like z- like zooms.
[00:18:26] June Diane Raphael: Yes.
[00:18:26] Jason Mantzoukas: That's the only time it's cool.
[00:18:26] June Diane Raphael: Well, there's one cool shot, too, of Gary Busey, I think, one of the bad guys, thought it was him, when he, before he pulls his parachute out, he corkscrews down like the, into a cloud. Like, truly a cor- and I was like, "Okay, that's cool." But that was it. It's just hard.
[00:18:45] Jason Mantzoukas: That's it. And, like, when they have to, like, rescue each other, they end up basically just trying to get into a, like, a 69 position.
[00:18:52] Paul Scheer: Yes. They're always like they're always throwing their legs over.
[00:18:55] June Diane Raphael: So crazy.
[00:18:55] Jason Mantzoukas: They're always doing, like, midair 69.
[00:18:59] June Diane Raphael: It's so great.
[00:18:59] Jason Mantzoukas: And I'm like, "You're, this is not cool."
[00:19:01] Paul Scheer: Like, when she hooks her feet through his arms and then they kind of like- Yes ... do a, like a somersault backwards, I'm like, "What?" I'm like, "Oh, she missed it. Oh, no, I guess that was part of the the rescue."
[00:19:13] June Diane Raphael: Well, the other weird thing is that when people, when they, when our bad guys land and start their heists in whatever buildings, I couldn't even follow what the fuck their plan was-
[00:19:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, my God.
[00:19:22] June Diane Raphael: ... But whatever building they're first on to do their first ... When they find the undercover agents, I guess, when they get in there, they land on the roof, and what I found absolutely confounding is that nobody on the ground ever seems to notice.
[00:19:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:19:38] June Diane Raphael: Giant... I mean, those things- Huge parachutes ... those parachutes are 20 feet long.
[00:19:42] Paul Scheer: Yes. Yes. They're parachuting into the middle of cities.
[00:19:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:19:44] June Diane Raphael: Nobody sees them ...
[00:19:45] Paul Scheer: So obvious. It's so obvious.
[00:19:48] June Diane Raphael: Nobody sees them.
[00:19:48] Jason Mantzoukas: And not only, nobody sees them, but, like, in this mo- This is a movie where nobody sees or reacts to anything. In the, in the opening of the movie, which we've discussed, um, uh, Wesley Snipes and his brother are marshals. They're escorting a prisoner on a 747, and as a number of people say in the movie, there is a jailbreak on the, in the midair on a 747. And what's happening is everybody's in their seats, and then the, whatever the timer goes off, and whatever six or eight people just start putting gas masks on and loading guns.
[00:20:22] And everybody else in the plane is like, "What's that? What's going-" What's going on? And then there are gunshots, and Wesley Snipes still is like, "What's going on?" Huh. "Something's up. I, I feel like something's up." Nobody has, nobody is good enough to be like, "Something's wrong." You know what I mean? Well- Like, no- Usually, the cop or the, the hero is kind of, has, like, an intuition or an understanding, but-
[00:20:42] June Diane Raphael: The only reason why Wesley Snipes gets up is because the flight attendant tells him that, you know, that something's going on and she needs to bring... Or, or flirts with him. He gets up and fol- It's really... And by the way, I do wanna spend some time talking about whether, whether Wesley Snipes and his brother are good marshals.
[00:21:02] Paul Scheer: Oh, this is, this is a great question.
[00:21:04] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, because... Well, first of all, I was trying to also think, like, they do present Wesley Snipes when he is doing, in the bathroom sequence later on, all these...
[00:21:15] He's takes on two guys. He's got a lotta moves, hand-to-hand com- He, he's doing all this stuff, and I'm like don't US Marshals just escort people on planes? And aren't they just like armed security guards?
[00:21:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Well- Well, they're sort of. They're, they... I mean, I think there's a, and somebody will correct me, I don't think they are air marshals, i.e., they're on airplanes just making sure everything's okay. I think they're US Marshals, like-
[00:21:42] June Diane Raphael: Transporting prisoners, for sure, but
[00:21:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes, and, like, hunting down escaped prisoners, and like-
[00:21:47] June Diane Raphael: Okay, guess they're, they're hunting
[00:21:47] Jason Mantzoukas: ... like, um, Justified. Like Raylan Givens on Justified. They are-
[00:21:50] June Diane Raphael: Okay.
[00:21:50] Paul Scheer: But they, they don't seem to have any control. Michael Jeter's sitting on an aisle seat. That Michael Jeter is the, the escaped or the, the prisoner that they're trying to protect from Evening Shade. That's how I remember him. Uh, and, uh he, he... Remember, like, that's how I- I... He's so burnt into my head-
[00:22:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Evening Shade.
[00:22:06] Paul Scheer: ... Because I hated that show as a kid, but- Yeah I just remember him on that show. Um-
[00:22:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.
[00:22:11] Paul Scheer: ... but, but, like, they don't seem to be in any way-
[00:22:12] Jason Mantzoukas: And he's your classic nerd character.
[00:22:14] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:22:15] Jason Mantzoukas: He's a nerd.
[00:22:15] Paul Scheer: Beautiful nerd.
[00:22:16] Jason Mantzoukas: They kidnap the nerd so that... He's a computer hacker. So the... And I... Not enough was done with Michael Jeter, because they keep forcing him to do skydiving, which is very funny.
[00:22:27] Paul Scheer: Right, because they need to force him to do skydiving to get him ready to parachute onto buildings so they can do the break-in to steal different things.
[00:22:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:22:35] Paul Scheer: And they need him to be, like, modulated. Yeah. Like, he needs to be, like, he needs to be calm enough to be able to then do his computer hacking.
[00:22:41] June Diane Raphael: That was funny.
[00:22:43] Jason Mantzoukas: It was so funny.
[00:22:43] June Diane Raphael: Can I just say, though, I feel like there's easier ways to get into that building. I mean, the funniest-
[00:22:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Gotta be.
[00:22:49] Paul Scheer: 100%.
[00:22:49] June Diane Raphael: Gotta be. Funniest part was, like, they go through the trouble of having fake uniforms, fake security uniforms on under their sky suits. It's like, well, you should've just tried to get in The building that way.
[00:23:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Or, or maybe, maybe- Walk in if you need it, maybe one-
[00:23:08] June Diane Raphael: Maybe one ...
[00:23:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Incredible sky diver gets access and then lets everybody else in on the ground. Like, the idea that the entire team, including the computer hacker, who is not part of the team, they just, they just r- stole from a prison transport. The fact that they need him, they need everybody to skydive is so funny to me-
[00:23:28] June Diane Raphael: Wild.
[00:23:28] Jason Mantzoukas: In a way that is like-
[00:23:29] June Diane Raphael: Wild.
[00:23:30] Jason Mantzoukas: It's the, the same era I feel like was treating stuff like, um, bungee jumping-
[00:23:35] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:23:35] Jason Mantzoukas: ... in a certain like-
[00:23:36] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:23:36] Jason Mantzoukas: ... like I almost felt like, and now I guess it would be those squirrel suits. Those, those, uh-
[00:23:42] June Diane Raphael: Well, right, those- Yeah, it was presented to us, it was presented to us as though it was like, "Oh, you can use a scooter. You can use your rollerblades. You can use, I guess you could walk, you could drive, take a bus or, or you could skydive."
[00:23:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:23:58] Paul Scheer: Well, I mean the other thing is just- It's like, no, no ... don't they also like set up this moment where they meet this one guy and then he looks like he's falling off the building, like, "Oh, he's got a secret parachute on."
[00:24:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:24:07] June Diane Raphael: You mean Swoop, Paul? Do you mean swoop?
[00:24:09] Paul Scheer: Swoop. Swoop? I'm sorry, Swoop. Swoop won't even talk to you.
[00:24:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, fuck, Swoop is, I fucking love Swoop.
[00:24:13] Paul Scheer: Swoop from Homicide on the Street.
[00:24:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah.
[00:24:15] Paul Scheer: But, like, Swoop won't talk to you unless you do a jump with him, and it's gotta be a good jump. But, but when he do- '
[00:24:19] June Diane Raphael: Cause that's the distinction 'cause he, he does do a jump with Wesley and then he still doesn't talk to him.
[00:24:25] Jason Mantzoukas: He does at the very end. At the very end- At the very, very end of the movie ... he calls him by his first name and that is like, okay, he's in.
[00:24:32] June Diane Raphael: Now, I don't wanna sound like my father, John Raphael, but I couldn't tell one of these guys from the next.
[00:24:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Nope.
[00:24:41] June Diane Raphael: No. When they presented Swoop, like, "Oh, look at this character, this new character," I'm like, "Well, I'm so sorry. He looks exactly the same as the last five that I just saw."
[00:24:49] Jason Mantzoukas: And part of the problem was that we are, i- like, like for example, let's just continue to use Point Break as the, as the thing. It is Gary Busey and Keanu Reeves are the police. They insert, uh, uh, Keanu Reeves into the, the bad guy crew, right?
[00:25:06] Paul Scheer: Right. As a surfer, right.
[00:25:07] Jason Mantzoukas: But in this movie, Wesley Snipes needs to have his own crew of sky... So there's two different full sets of skydiving crew.
[00:25:15] June Diane Raphael: That's right.
[00:25:16] Jason Mantzoukas: So what, you're, you're looking at, like, 10, 11, sometimes 12 people in very similar looking jumpsuits.
[00:25:24] Paul Scheer: Who also have no real character. It's, I mean, it's Gary Busey and it's the other woman. There's a bad woman and there's a good woman, and then there is, like, Swoop, and then everybody else is just, like, bald guy, this guy.
[00:25:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Jagger. Jagger, who g- who gets killed. Jagger. Um, Swoop-
[00:25:40] June Diane Raphael: Nancy's ex, Jagger.
[00:25:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Swoop, who's got a beard. There's good-looking blonde guy. Um, and there's little Frank Grillo, you know?
[00:25:48] June Diane Raphael: Well, it was just hard because it was also, like, at one point Wesley's like really upset in that bathroom scene and has a line like, "You fucked with my team, you fucked with m- you fuck with me," something like that. And I was like, "Your team?"
[00:26:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:26:05] June Diane Raphael: Your team? Oh, okay. I, did I miss half of the movie?
[00:26:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:26:09] June Diane Raphael: What are you talking- Well, I mean- And then he also doesn't really seem to skydive in that final sequence. Like, it doesn't lead up to him really being a part of the team ...
[00:26:19] Jason Mantzoukas: He do- you're right, until the very end.
[00:26:22] June Diane Raphael: With Gary Busey when he-
[00:26:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes, because the guy gets, you know, like, uh, hit hurt.
[00:26:26] June Diane Raphael: Well, can I ask, though? Yes. How is it possible? So Gary Busey falls out, they fall together, and then Gary Busey goes shooting toward the ground, and then somehow, though, goes, travels sideways-
[00:26:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah ...
[00:26:40] June Diane Raphael: into a car.
[00:26:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Into, into, no, into the truck that is being driven- Into the truck ... by his guy.
[00:26:46] June Diane Raphael: That's right.
[00:26:46] Paul Scheer: Which is also padded. It's a padded truck.
[00:26:49] June Diane Raphael: Yes.
[00:26:49] Paul Scheer: So they did have to put, like, a bunch of mattresses on all sides because it is a real stunt, and I was like, "Oh, man, this is painful," because they are clanking into the side of this, like, open-air truck.
[00:26:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, what they, I mean, what I think is supposed to be happening, we're meant to believe that the, all the bad guys are gonna parachute into this truck and that's their getaway. Right. Their getaway is this truck full of mattresses. But instead, Gary Busey just goes crashing through the front of it.
[00:27:15] June Diane Raphael: Um- Somehow, against all physics, he turns sideways and starts to move sideways. That really, it really made me laugh.
[00:27:25] Paul Scheer: I also had a question about, like... I wanna go back to one thing.
[00:27:28] June Diane Raphael: Sure.
[00:27:28] Paul Scheer: Physics in this movie and things that, like, they're over-complicated, right? There's a lot of over-complications. We talked about how the skydivers are doing this, like, uh, not midair rescue, but, like, a midair, uh, prisoner escape plan, right? They put explosives on the emergency exit door.
[00:27:46] Which has a handle that would open, and in my thought process, it w- it would cause the same thing. If you were to open the emergency exit in the middle of a flight at 30,000 feet, you're still gonna get the same thing. To put explosives on the door-
[00:28:00] Jason Mantzoukas: My guess, oh, is crazy, but my guess is you can't. They're, they're trying to say, like, "Oh, you can't open doors once it's at that height or once it's at that alte-"
[00:28:07] Paul Scheer: Oh, oh, okay.
[00:28:07] Jason Mantzoukas: You have to blow it.
[00:28:09] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:28:09] Jason Mantzoukas: You have to blow it.
[00:28:09] June Diane Raphael: I, well, but I agree with you, Paul. There were things about that plan that really, I couldn't stop thinking about it the whole movie-
[00:28:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah.
[00:28:15] June Diane Raphael: ... because it was so bizarre. They wanted it to seem like Leedy, the nerd, was dead, right?
[00:28:23] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:28:23] June Diane Raphael: That he didn't make it out.
[00:28:24] Jason Mantzoukas: And that they were dead.
[00:28:26] June Diane Raphael: And that they were dead.
[00:28:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Hi- the hijackers ... the hijackers.
[00:28:28] Paul Scheer: Which is why he had to bite off his finger. Michael Jeter's finger is bitten off, which is a cr- a really crazy moment of like, whoa. And I get what they were doing 'cause it-
[00:28:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, it's a real Pet- it's a real Peter Pettigrew moment here. Uh- ... this is clearly the single finger, uh, absolutely stolen by, uh, uh, J.K. Rowling- But- ... for, uh, Harry Potter.
[00:28:49] June Diane Raphael: But I didn't understand, though, like, so, so they say, "Oh, we found his remains." It's like, well, no, you found a finger. Yeah. Are we, are we drawing conclusions that people are dead based on one finger. And then I am-
[00:29:01] Paul Scheer: And also so many people saw what happened.
[00:29:02] June Diane Raphael: I was confused through the p- So many people s- So many people watched that that are alive.
[00:29:06] And why, and why didn't they say, 'cause they said the hijackers were dead, but all those people also saw them jump out of the plane.
[00:29:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Why didn't all the yes, why didn't, uh, why didn't any single p- passenger on a full plane say, "I saw six people jump out"? What?
[00:29:20] June Diane Raphael: They h- looked like they had sky suits on. They- Yes ... diving suits.
[00:29:23] Jason Mantzoukas: They s- And the only reliable, uh, uh, uh, uh, a person they can talk to is, like, an eight-year-old girl?
[00:29:30] June Diane Raphael: Like, what? Well, it was abs- By the way, one of my pet peeves in movies- and I, this is just, like And I've seen it a bunch where they will write something for a little girl, and it includes a stuffed animal, and it's an important piece of the scene.
[00:29:47] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:29:48] June Diane Raphael: And so she has a stuffed animal on the plane, and then when, uh, Wesley Snipes goes to talk to her to ask her h- what she saw, he brings her another stuffed animal.
[00:29:55] Paul Scheer: Oh, yeah. Which is never gonna be, replace the other one.
[00:29:57] June Diane Raphael: And it's wr- you can tell it's written that way in the script, but for whatever reason, they cast... And that's, like, for a six-year-old, five-year-old, maybe a seven-year-old. But then they cast, like, a 10-year-old.
[00:30:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Just a little too old.
[00:30:10] June Diane Raphael: You know? Or an 11-year-old.
[00:30:13] And you're watching this girl snuggle with this stuffed animal, and it, it... I can't tell you d- the cringe I feel. I'm just like, "Oh, no, you're too old to have that." And this scene where I'm supposed to feel like, "Oh, that's sweet," I'm asking so many questions about why you're interacting and you're in that type of dialogue with a stuffed animal.
[00:30:35] Jason Mantzoukas: My question would be, b- a- and perhaps a, a bit of a miscalculation in terms of what a girl this age would want, but nonetheless, a, a good thing to bring something for the girl i- in order to, like, t- hopefully engender good feelings- Sure ... and get information that you need. But maybe, hey, maybe take your sunglasses off.
[00:30:58] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:30:59] Paul Scheer: Oh, he intimidates the hell out of her.
[00:31:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Maybe take your sunglasses off and look this girl in the eye. Yeah. Make eye contact with her. It's n- it doesn't feel safe- ... to be interrogated by a sunglasses-wearing guy who's just giving you a stuffed animal ...
[00:31:14] Paul Scheer: As June and I have been coaches of, uh, AYSO soccer, like, one of the main rules in the book is don't wear your sunglasses when you're coaching these kids.
[00:31:21] You got... They have to see your eyes, and Wesley Snipes, you know, to me, is treating this girl like she's a 30-year-old woman. Like, there is, like he's like- Who's
[00:31:32] June Diane Raphael: Bizarre.
[00:31:32] Paul Scheer: ... "Yeah, here's your stuffed animal." But she's, she's been traumatized. I mean-
[00:31:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yes.
[00:31:36] Paul Scheer: ... You say you got the creeps seeing the bear. I got the creeps when they just did a, a lingering, um, shot of her on the gurney being wheeled into the ambulance. I'm like- Oh ... "We don't need to see this little girl on a gurney for this long." And, and- I was like, "What's going on here?"
[00:31:49] June Diane Raphael: ... and by the way, I still, I don't even wanna ta- I still was confused about why they didn't just, like, why didn't they go into the manifest, the passenger manifest, and find the names of the-
[00:31:58] Paul Scheer: Well, they shut it down, June.
[00:31:59] June Diane Raphael: Hijackers ... the computer
[00:32:00] Paul Scheer: started to make it all wonky.
[00:32:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh. That's exactly what they were trying to do when the virus, the computer virus hit.
[00:32:05] June Diane Raphael: Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot about the computer virus. Yeah. Okay.
[00:32:07] Jason Mantzoukas: This has, this movie has, like, act one is a blast because it is, it is this crazy, uh, plane, uh, uh, uh, th-
[00:32:16] June Diane Raphael: Which I love, obviously.
[00:32:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Heist that we're talking about. Um, a- it's all of these kind of craziness, and then we get to one of my favorite, and I thought this was an '80s movie, but it's a little bit later, but nonetheless, I still love it. The location for where the skydivers hang out is, what is it called?
[00:32:36] Paul Scheer: That bar.
[00:32:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Like, the Sugar Shack or whatever that... it's not, it's just, not just a bar. It's, like, a living quarters. Mm. It is like, it's a warehouse. It, like, all of these movies are always putting people in what look like industrial buildings-
[00:32:49] June Diane Raphael: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
[00:32:50] Jason Mantzoukas: ... as homes, and this one's got it big time.
[00:32:53] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, I hear you.
[00:32:54] Jason Mantzoukas: And I loved all the time they spent in the airfield where they, where our crew lives.
[00:32:59] Uh, the, the mother hen of which is one of my all-time favorites, Grace Zabriskie. ...
[00:33:04] Paul Scheer: Awesome.
[00:33:04] Jason Mantzoukas: ... Laura Palmer's mother.
[00:33:05] June Diane Raphael: So good.
[00:33:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Incredible. Incredible. In so few moments, she is so memorable-
[00:33:11] June Diane Raphael: Yes.
[00:33:11] Jason Mantzoukas: ... and so fantastic.
[00:33:13] June Diane Raphael: Well, they do something in this movie where, I can't remember Yancey's character's name, J- Joe Crossman or something.
[00:33:20] Paul Scheer: I think that's right.
[00:33:21] June Diane Raphael: Okay, something like that, and they do s-
[00:33:22] Jason Mantzoukas: I think Crossman is definitely.
[00:33:23] June Diane Raphael: Right ... Crossman. Okay, so, but they do something. I know it was a genderless first name, because there's that trope-
[00:33:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes, because it's a misdirect.
[00:33:31] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, it's a misdirect, and it's, it's done-
[00:33:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, it was actually supposed to be a man, too.
[00:33:34] June Diane Raphael: Oh, interesting. Well- They, I feel like this was the time where that w- that reveal happened all the time.
[00:33:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Mm-hmm.
[00:33:43] June Diane Raphael: Right. Where you'd introduce a character. First you're just talking about them. They get highly credentialed, as this, as that, and the other thing. You don't wanna fuck with them, and they're crazy, and they're this, and they're that. And she know- then they know their shit, and this and that. And then she comes out.
[00:33:58] Paul Scheer: It's a fucking woman.
[00:33:59] Jason Mantzoukas: It's, um- And it's- ... it's Charlie from Top Gun.
[00:34:01] June Diane Raphael: Yes.
[00:34:01] Jason Mantzoukas: It's, it's the in- it's the, the model- And- ... what they're all chasing is that moment.
[00:34:06] June Diane Raphael: I, yes. And this was no exception. And also, lots of times I'm all, I watch the whole thing, and I know where we're going, and I'm still surprised.
[00:34:14] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Oh, I, I, I always fall for it.
[00:34:16] June Diane Raphael: Oh wow, it's a woman.
[00:34:17] Paul Scheer: And, and it's-
[00:34:17] June Diane Raphael: And it's a woman ...
[00:34:17] Paul Scheer: Because it's, it's like that riddle where it's like, you know?
[00:34:19] June Diane Raphael: Uh- And aren't I a fool? Aren't I a fool?
[00:34:23] Paul Scheer: Because isn't it that riddle that ends with, like, the, the doctor says, "I can't operate on that."
[00:34:28] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, exact-
[00:34:28] Paul Scheer: "That's my son."
[00:34:29] June Diane Raphael: Gus did that to us.
[00:34:30] Paul Scheer: Oh, and you're like...
[00:34:30] June Diane Raphael: Gus did that to us. Yeah. And he, like, really was so excited.
[00:34:35] Paul Scheer: It's like, but it's like it does feel like that at every point. Now, I will say that y- this part was written for a man, and they obviously, uh, changed it. And, uh, that's, that's where Yancy Butler said, "No, he's still gotta hit me in the face," because he was supposed to hit the man in the face.
[00:34:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh.
[00:34:51] Paul Scheer: I see. Uh, when the, when the faulty parachute. She's like, "Why would you change it?" Same idea.
[00:34:54] Jason Mantzoukas: If someone dropped me out of a plane-
[00:34:56] June Diane Raphael: I thought she was great.
[00:34:57] Jason Mantzoukas: ... if a woman dropped me out of a plane-
[00:34:58] Paul Scheer: I love her.
[00:34:59] Jason Mantzoukas: ... without telling me, without ever having skydived before-
[00:35:02] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:35:03] Jason Mantzoukas: ... with not even, I don't think he's even wearing a parachute.
[00:35:05] I think I would maybe punch her. I would feel comfortable being like if someone did attempted-
[00:35:11] June Diane Raphael: Yeah ...
[00:35:11] Jason Mantzoukas: murder to me, I would try and punch them.
[00:35:13] June Diane Raphael: You have every right to punch her. I, I grant, I grant you the authority, Jason.
[00:35:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Thank you.
[00:35:18] June Diane Raphael: You have every right to punch her.
[00:35:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Thank you.
[00:35:19] Nice.
[00:35:20] Paul Scheer: It, it w- it w- it was a pl- it was a playful punch.
[00:35:22] Jason Mantzoukas: In these set of circumstances only.
[00:35:25] Paul Scheer: Now, uh, you might recognize Yancy because she was also our love interest in the Jean-Claude Van Damme film Hard Target, the Louisiana film that we did in New Orleans that time where they're running around- Mm ... the French Quarter.
[00:35:37] June Diane Raphael: Wow, Paul.
[00:35:37] Paul Scheer: I know the ... Yeah.
[00:35:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, with Wilford Brimley.
[00:35:38] June Diane Raphael: So by the way, you know who I thought she was for a long time?
[00:35:41] Paul Scheer: Who?
[00:35:41] June Diane Raphael: And I mean a long time. I thought she was Jillian Michaels, celebrity trainer.
[00:35:47] Paul Scheer: I did too.
[00:35:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah, she has a, that's a similar look.
[00:35:50] June Diane Raphael: ... I think now she's gone very MAGA. Similar look, but also similar energy-
[00:35:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, interesting.
[00:35:55] June Diane Raphael: And similar, like, vibe. And I was like "Wow, Jillian Michaels started off as an actress." Uh-huh. I had a whole narrative. I was like, "That's great, and she's pretty good. Okay."
[00:36:04] Jason Mantzoukas: I couldn't get over how similar, needlessly so, she looked to the villains', um, uh, woman-
[00:36:12] June Diane Raphael: Girlfriend.
[00:36:13] Jason Mantzoukas: ... the, the woman on the villain's team Everybody looks the same I think her name is K- Kara?
[00:36:16] June Diane Raphael: Exactly the same.
[00:36:17] Jason Mantzoukas: She and Yancy Butler look so similar that I was like, "Why would you do this?" Make, make it easy for us to tell, again, who is on the good guys team, who is on the bad guys team.
[00:36:26] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:36:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Help us out. There's too many characters and a very confusing plot line. That's the other thing is we never know the bad guys', um, plan. We don't understand what it is they're doing. It's just that they have now a hacker, and they can skydive. And then they're like, "Okay- I, I do ... we're stealing drugs. We're stealing secrets. We're stealing-"
[00:36:48] Paul Scheer: And we can steal everything because-
[00:36:49] Jason Mantzoukas: We could just steal.
[00:36:50] Paul Scheer: ... everything has a roof. Yeah. Everything has a roof, so they can break into anything.
[00:36:54] Jason Mantzoukas: It has a roof.
[00:36:55] June Diane Raphael: Anything that's got a roof they can get.
[00:36:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:37:00] Paul Scheer: Now, here's the thing that I, I, I think is interesting too. Like, to me, as a lover of Point Break, these are v- these are not villains, they are criminals, right? You know, they have guns, and obviously they don't kill people. That's a big part of Point Break. But they are violent criminals, and there's a culture there that is tricky to get in.
[00:37:19] But in this world, we are to believe that skydivers, in general- Mm ... skydivers who are not bad guys, that are not doing anything illegal- Mm ... are also equally as dangerous. Like, if you go and sit in a skydiving bar where they're watching skydiving clips on TV, you will get your ass kicked because you don't belong there.
[00:37:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, what I w- ' cause- Yeah.
[00:37:40] Paul Scheer: It's not like a, a- Like, they treat it like a motorcycle bar.
[00:37:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Exa- that's exactly what I was gonna say. They are a gang. For no reason.
[00:37:47] Paul Scheer: For no reason.
[00:37:48] Jason Mantzoukas: For reasons that are question marks.
[00:37:49] June Diane Raphael: Well, they're out of their minds. I found it very troubling when they're in that bar, and we know 'cause we saw it, our gang took out one of their own. Um, and the bell gets rung.
[00:38:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah.
[00:38:01] June Diane Raphael: Bell. And they all look at each other. And it's like, well... I don't, I can't remember, I think I wrote down how they phrased it. They say-
[00:38:09] Movie Audio: Blue skies. Black death.
[00:38:11] June Diane Raphael: They say, "Blue skies, black death."
[00:38:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. What?
[00:38:16] June Diane Raphael: And they ring the bell and they say, a- and it's treated as though-
[00:38:20] Jason Mantzoukas: And they say they'll ring the bell every hour.
[00:38:23] June Diane Raphael: Every hour. And, and the crazy thing about that moment is-
[00:38:26] Paul Scheer: That seems a little bit over-
[00:38:26] June Diane Raphael: ... they all look around and it's like a very, there's like a very pregnant sort of weighted pause and honoring of this person who's passed. And it's like, the feeling is like, well, they have to be here. Yeah. They have to do this. They have to protect us in some wa- they have to be out there traveling the skies ...
[00:38:43] Jason Mantzoukas: It, it's as if they are the military or something.
[00:38:46] June Diane Raphael: Yes. You don't. Yeah. You can all never do this again.
[00:38:48] Paul Scheer: They literally are in a drop zone in Fort Lauderdale that looks like-
[00:38:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Drop zone.
[00:38:53] Paul Scheer: A family vacation spot. They are in the- like, there's a scene-
[00:38:56] June Diane Raphael: There's nobody who needs to do this.
[00:38:57] Paul Scheer: ... where you know, like I've, I've done the, uh, thing and f- uh, where you get into the tube and you put on the suit and you're in there.
[00:39:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah.
[00:39:03] Paul Scheer: Uh, and there's footage of it that's embarrassing. Um- ... it's hard. It is hard. And I was like, one of the things like-
[00:39:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Are you willing to say that you'll post that footage?
[00:39:09] Paul Scheer: I, sure, I would. I, I did it for-
[00:39:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Maybe, you know what? You should post that footage if, at some point when we're raising money for something.
[00:39:14] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:39:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Use it as a-
[00:39:15] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:39:16] Jason Mantzoukas: ... a goal.
[00:39:16] June Diane Raphael: That's- Yes ... behind the, the paywall type of footage.
[00:39:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. Okay. Wait, do we have a paywall?
[00:39:22] June Diane Raphael: I don't know.
[00:39:23] Paul Scheer: We don't.
[00:39:23] June Diane Raphael: But if we did, we, we should put that there.
[00:39:25] Jason Mantzoukas: We're gonna make a paywall-
[00:39:26] June Diane Raphael: That's premium content.
[00:39:27] Jason Mantzoukas: ... just for that video only.
[00:39:29] Paul Scheer: And by the way, it's not even that juicy. It's just me not being able to fully... Like, I felt the frustration of the instructor being like, "Why aren't you getting this?"
[00:39:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh.
[00:39:37] Paul Scheer: And I, 'cause I, I saw it like-
[00:39:39] June Diane Raphael: And isn't it you have to engage your core and kind of-
[00:39:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, God.
[00:39:41] June Diane Raphael: ... well, that's what I imagine, to keep everything in.
[00:39:43] Paul Scheer: All I'm gonna say is when I saw Wesley Snipes have a hard time with it, I was like, got it Got it.
[00:39:48] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:39:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, it's interesting because they are, the, all of that stuff before f- uh, obviously Washington, DC happens, everything else is in Florida, I believe.
[00:39:57] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:39:57] Jason Mantzoukas: They are.
[00:39:58] June Diane Raphael: Which makes sense.
[00:39:58] Jason Mantzoukas: And it is, it is very Florida-coded.
[00:40:01] June Diane Raphael: Oh. I think so.
[00:40:01] Jason Mantzoukas: 'Cause that's what feels trashy about it in, in the best possible way because I just wanna be very clear, Florida is trash. Um, so for me, what I really needed in this movie, and I'm absolutely mind-scrambled that I need to ask for it, I needed one scene of exposition where Gary Busey is like, "I worked for the DEA. I got fired or whatever, dishonorably discharged," whatever it is, "and I'm assembling a group of skydivers- Yeah ... to do crimes." And I, so that these guys are like, "Okay, I'm in." He, I needed to see him assemble his team.
[00:40:37] Paul Scheer: But why? Like, I mean, that's the other question too.
[00:40:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Because I, because it would've helped me understand- know what the fuck is going on.
[00:40:41] June Diane Raphael: No, he's asking why.
[00:40:43] Paul Scheer: Oh, no, no, I, I know.
[00:40:43] June Diane Raphael: He's asking why does Gary Busey wanna do this? Like, oh, like, like- Why did he turn on his own government? Like, but I- Why?
[00:40:49] Paul Scheer: I'm asking-
[00:40:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, that's easy to answer. He's Busey, baby. It's a classic Loosey Busey.
[00:40:53] June Diane Raphael: That's a loosey Busey. Okay, got it.
[00:40:54] Paul Scheer: Like, but here's the thing. I don't mind that this- ... is a guy who worked for the DEA and that he turned on his people. That's fine. What I am confused about is was he the person who's, like, skydiving. Like, 'cause it's like-
[00:41:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:41:05] Paul Scheer: ... That's the, that's the bridge too far. That to me has so many more questions. It's like, and, and the idea is that, like, um, we know that, uh, Michael Jeter is a very, uh, capable computer hacker. He's been hidden from the government for a long time. Oh, I have a question about this too.
[00:41:24] Jason Mantzoukas: No, he's not hidden from the government. The government is hiding him from the bad guys who are trying to kill him.
[00:41:29] Paul Scheer: From the bad guys.
[00:41:29] Jason Mantzoukas: But inexplicably, the government is hiding him by putting him in the general population of a gigantic prison. That is not hidden.
[00:41:36] Paul Scheer: Mm. And also letting him, like feed cats. He was the most-
[00:41:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, my God ... aggressive person out there.
[00:41:40] Paul Scheer: And why did that hawk... Why do we have a close-up of a hawk on-
[00:41:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Why was that... Oh my God, thank you. Hawk. They kept-
[00:41:46] Paul Scheer: I thought he was like a controller of animals.
[00:41:48] June Diane Raphael: I did too.
[00:41:49] Jason Mantzoukas: They kept cutting back to that hawk as if the hawk was going to be somehow instrumental in-
[00:41:55] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:41:55] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:41:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Killing him, saving him, doing something. And I think it's just there to, to s- establish for us-
[00:42:02] Paul Scheer: Flight.
[00:42:03] Jason Mantzoukas: ... in this movie, things will fly.
[00:42:05] June Diane Raphael: Okay. So I thought for sure, once I realized what the movie was about, I was like... 'Cause I d- I also was like, he has some special connection to animals.
[00:42:13] Paul Scheer: Mm-hmm.
[00:42:13] June Diane Raphael: And I can't quite-
[00:42:14] Paul Scheer: He loves cats.
[00:42:15] June Diane Raphael: Figure out what it is. They seem to be sa- helping him. And then, and then once he, it became clear he's very scared of, of being out there flying, I thought, "Oh, his relationship and dialogue with animals or birds is going to help him-
[00:42:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes ...
[00:42:32] June Diane Raphael: in, in- Yes ... in a skydiving type of scenario." That never, never came back.
[00:42:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Nope. Not at all.
[00:42:37] Paul Scheer: No, no.
[00:42:37] Jason Mantzoukas: You know what I loved about Busey in the first heist, the first heist where they go and they steal the information about the undercover agents.
[00:42:45] June Diane Raphael: Mm-hmm.
[00:42:45] Jason Mantzoukas: That one.
[00:42:46] June Diane Raphael: Mm-hmm.
[00:42:47] Jason Mantzoukas: They get in there, and everybody immediately starts going to do their job. The guy goes to do the computer hacking.
[00:42:54] This one's going to do that. This one's going to do that. Busey keeps... It's clearly Busey just riffing. He keeps going around to everybody and asking them if, if there's anything he can do to help.
[00:43:04] June Diane Raphael: I didn't notice that.
[00:43:06] Movie Audio: Can I help with anything?
[00:43:07] You're making me nervous. Would you just get away?
[00:43:12] What can I do to help you?
[00:43:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Shh. You let me know, you let me know if there's anything I can do to help. And you can see almost on the actors' faces, they're like, "How do I respond to this? I don't need help, I'm hacking." You know what I mean? Like, or whatever.
[00:43:25] Paul Scheer: That, that- Right ... this is why this movie, this movie has a lot of like-
[00:43:28] June Diane Raphael: Oh my God.
[00:43:29] Paul Scheer: Uh, like, uh, to me, and, uh, you know, I haven't... I've read John Badham's book. I like John Badham, but I feel like-
[00:43:34] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, really?
[00:43:35] Paul Scheer: Oh, oh-
[00:43:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, that's cool.
[00:43:35] Paul Scheer: ... John Badham's book is great, uh, just about directing. Before directing anything-
[00:43:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, yeah, yeah
[00:43:38] Paul Scheer: ... my first time I ever directed anything, I read that book and it really helped me.
[00:43:41] But, um, the way that this movie feels, like they were running Roughshod all over him, because it's like also the way, like, Wesley Snipes fights is comical. Like when he goes to the bathroom when they're beating up, uh, Swoop in the bathroom, and like, y- like Wesley Snipes is ready to throw down with hard karate, but it's...
[00:44:00] I, like, it's right at the cusp of before fight scenes got really good-
[00:44:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:44:04] Paul Scheer: ... and it's sort of like, it's like he's just like bam, bam. Like he's just doing all like- Yeah ... and I, I do think that I like that he's always kicking one person to the left-
[00:44:13] June Diane Raphael: And then another.
[00:44:13] Paul Scheer: ... Giving them a chance to recover, and then going after the other guy, and then getting ba- like he's getting business done. He's, he's knocking it off.
[00:44:19] June Diane Raphael: I do think, I do think we kind of needed those sequences and, and the one with the two with Yancy and, and-
[00:44:24] Paul Scheer: Oh, I love that.
[00:44:25] June Diane Raphael: ... whoever that other woman was. Mm-hmm.
[00:44:26] Paul Scheer: Oh, the copy machine.
[00:44:27] June Diane Raphael: The cop-
[00:44:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh my god, I loved it.
[00:44:29] June Diane Raphael: ... The copy machine was so great, and it was... I laughed so hard when the other taller woman was sort of up against the wall, and it... she seemed like she was just taking a second, I guess.
[00:44:41] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:44:41] June Diane Raphael: It didn't seem like she was mortally harmed at that point. And then Yancy took the photocopy machine And it doesn't move that fast.
[00:44:51] Paul Scheer: No.
[00:44:51] June Diane Raphael: You know?
[00:44:51] Jason Mantzoukas: No.
[00:44:51] June Diane Raphael: And you could tell that thing is fucking heavy.
[00:44:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:44:54] June Diane Raphael: And by the way, also, where was it plugged in?
[00:44:56] And she just runs with it and rams it into her, and that kills her.
[00:45:04] Paul Scheer: I guess. Well, she smashes her face through it, through the glass in the photocopier too, right? 'Cause she hits her-
[00:45:10] Jason Mantzoukas: But the glass only kinda breaks. I don't think it like-
[00:45:13] Paul Scheer: Okay. I thought it was like a smash.
[00:45:14] Jason Mantzoukas: ... I don't think so because she's, then it still works.
[00:45:17] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:45:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, right.
[00:45:18] June Diane Raphael: That thing still works somehow.
[00:45:19] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean, listen, it's a very well-built machine. I will say this because-
[00:45:22] June Diane Raphael: They don't build them like that anymore ...
[00:45:23] Jason Mantzoukas: They, they really don't because after all that damage, it still does flawless copies.
[00:45:28] Paul Scheer: I mean, and a lot, a lot of good copies.
[00:45:29] Jason Mantzoukas: It collates, it collates all those copies.
[00:45:31] June Diane Raphael: Oh, God.
[00:45:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, yeah.
[00:45:32] June Diane Raphael: I laughed so hard when those, those papers came out. But what I was gonna say is, like, you need sequences like that because the other moments that are supposed to be really thrilling and engaging, which are, which happen in the sky, are parachutes kinda getting caught in things.
[00:45:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Kind of, yeah.
[00:45:51] June Diane Raphael: Kind of? Like the strings getting caught when he, even when he goes into the electrical wire, to be quite honest, I couldn't really understand what was happening up there. I couldn't understand how Gary Busey got him and pushed him.
[00:46:02] Jason Mantzoukas: And was controlling him.
[00:46:04] Paul Scheer: It's a mix and match.
[00:46:05] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:46:05] Paul Scheer: It's a mix and match of real stuff and fake stuff, like, on a set. Like, where, like, a- and so they have to make these, like, weird jump cuts where you have to, like, kind of miss about 15 to 20 seconds of important, like action connection, where you're like, okay, 'cause we can't really crash a human being into these electrical wires, but we can get a guy close enough to them in a long shot, and then we have to cut to something that just is exploding. And by the way-
[00:46:27] June Diane Raphael: I think it's just hard 'cause ultimately the action is just seeing
[00:46:34] Paul Scheer: Somebody tangled.
[00:46:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:46:36] June Diane Raphael: Somebody tangled.
[00:46:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh no. Oh no, they're tangled.
[00:46:40] Paul Scheer: Yes, it's like, it's, it's, it, it- It's like- Tangled is cumbersome. It's like, it's like-
[00:46:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah ...
[00:46:44] June Diane Raphael: it's just hard.
[00:46:46] Paul Scheer: It's like getting someone stuck by putting on a sweater. It feels like, no, I know their head's in there, they just gotta get out.
[00:46:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Are we jaded because we've seen, like, Tom cruise defy the impossible-
[00:46:56] June Diane Raphael: I don't think so, Jason.
[00:46:56] Jason Mantzoukas: ... in Mission Impossible movies?
[00:46:58] Paul Scheer: Jason, we saw the impossible three years earlier in Point Break.
[00:47:01] Jason Mantzoukas: I guess you're right.
[00:47:01] Paul Scheer: That's the other thing.
[00:47:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:47:02] Paul Scheer: You can't do a skydive movie and go backwards.
[00:47:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:47:05] Paul Scheer: You can't be like,
[00:47:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah- You're right.
[00:47:06] Paul Scheer: ... you remember, like, what set the standard for skydiving?" And by the way, this movie's also in direct competition with another movie coming out called Terminal Velocity, which is a Charlie Sheen movie.
[00:47:17] June Diane Raphael: This is weird.
[00:47:17] Paul Scheer: So they're having this, like, kind of race to the finish line.
[00:47:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, is that also skydiving?
[00:47:21] Paul Scheer: Yes. It is.
[00:47:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Whoa.
[00:47:22] Paul Scheer: A maverick skydiver and a former KGB agent team up to stop the Russian mafia from stealing gold, starring Charlie Sheen, Natasha Kinski, and James Gandolfini.
[00:47:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.
[00:47:32] Paul Scheer: I've watched this many times.
[00:47:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Gandolfini?
[00:47:33] Paul Scheer: And I would love to do, I would love to do it on our show.
[00:47:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, interesting.
[00:47:36] Paul Scheer: Yeah, it-
[00:47:36] June Diane Raphael: I feel like I've seen that movie.
[00:47:37] Jason Mantzoukas: That sounds great. Also, by the way-
[00:47:40] June Diane Raphael: Oh my God.
[00:47:40] Jason Mantzoukas: ... maybe it's, maybe it's a skydive summer? Let's spend-
[00:47:44] June Diane Raphael: Honestly-
[00:47:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Guys, guys, do you wanna spend the summer midair with me?
[00:47:48] Paul Scheer: I would love to get to more, some more skydiving movies. There's a lot out there.
[00:47:53] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean- Oh, I bet, especially from this era where f- somehow it was decided this is cool. This is exciting.
[00:48:00] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:48:00] Jason Mantzoukas: This is dangerous. This is whoa. This, you know, this era of, like, h- you know, skydiving and, you know, uh, like, uh, it's, it is, um, it is, um, Cliffhanger, you know, rock climbing. Yeah. Right. Uh, you know, Stallone's-
[00:48:15] Paul Scheer: I think, like, if we, if we opened it up to, like- Extreme ... things like that, like Extreme Summer, we could probably find a lot of, like-
[00:48:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Extreme Summer.
[00:48:21] June Diane Raphael: ... Oh, that's interesting. Well, honestly, it did make me wonder and ask some questions about skydiving 'cause I was like, well, it, it seems like you can, in the movie, sort of travel around up there like it's a freeway. Like, "Oh, I wanna get over there so I'm just gonna go to the left." Not with your parachute open, just as a person flying through the air, like you could maneuver through the sky like you would in a car or a bicycle or just walking, and I don't know, is that true? I s- if I see Paul struggling with his parachute, can I just-
[00:49:00] Jason Mantzoukas: I think you, yeah, I think, I mean, I think an expert-
[00:49:02] June Diane Raphael: Can I just get over there?
[00:49:03] Jason Mantzoukas: I think an ex- I think it's very difficult, but I think an expert could-
[00:49:07] June Diane Raphael: Okay.
[00:49:07] Jason Mantzoukas: ... get close enough to you to-
[00:49:09] June Diane Raphael: Help out.
[00:49:09] Jason Mantzoukas: ... maybe help or to, uh, uh- Well, that's great ... only at a certain height.
[00:49:13] June Diane Raphael: Below a certain height, you're dead.
[00:49:14] Jason Mantzoukas: I think you're, it's just RIP. You're, you're, you know-
[00:49:16] Paul Scheer: We're gonna have, we're gonna, we're gonna have a lot of skydivers calling, but I believe that like-
[00:49:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Which I believe would be terminal velocity. You're just, you're, you're going too fast. You're gonna die.
[00:49:24] Paul Scheer: Well, I think-
[00:49:25] Jason Mantzoukas: You're gonna hit the ground.
[00:49:25] Paul Scheer: ... I think the idea is this. Like, in all these movies, something goes wrong and someone's gotta save them. Although Yancy does let the... She does have that, that switch where she drops an inexperienced man out of a plane and then scoops him up, but she waits there. Like, "Nah, give it a couple minutes." And then he-
[00:49:40] Jason Mantzoukas: She's also, like, meant to be one of the best there ever was.
[00:49:43] Paul Scheer: Mm. Yes.
[00:49:44] Jason Mantzoukas: You know, 'cause Wesley Snipes is basically like, "Hey, th- they, this was an, an inside job. Somebody kidnapped this guy and jumped out." And people are like, "Jumped out of a 747 at 36,000 feet? That's impossible. Nobody would do that." The, the, so the FBI and everybody are like, "Your brother did it." Um, so part of this is Wesley Snipes trying to clear his brother's name, even though there's so little-
[00:50:07] June Diane Raphael: Yes, and that does also seem to be let go of at some point.
[00:50:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:50:10] Paul Scheer: Um, Jason, before we go too much further, I do just need to tell you, uh, because I know I'm gonna get this on the, uh, the mini episodes, uh, terminal velocity is the maximum, uh, constant speed of free falling when an object reaches the downward pull of gravity equal to the upward push of air. So that is actually the moment- Oh ... where you don't have to pull your pack.
[00:50:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, I see.
[00:50:29] Paul Scheer: Because that's, that's the kind of moment-
[00:50:30] Jason Mantzoukas: That's where you can just exist ...
[00:50:32] Paul Scheer: Exist.
[00:50:32] Jason Mantzoukas: And float. Yeah.
[00:50:33] Paul Scheer: Okay. Yes. And so that- so it just, I-
[00:50:36] June Diane Raphael: By the way.
[00:50:36] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:50:36] June Diane Raphael: No, I just wanted to... That's interesting. I just wanted to go back to everyone blaming, um, Malcolm-Jamal Warner for... by the way, RIP.
[00:50:48] Paul Scheer: RIP. RIP. And I gotta tell you, you know, Malcolm-Jamal Warner, very big part of my life because-
[00:50:52] June Diane Raphael: I know. I know.
[00:50:52] Paul Scheer: ... I wouldn't have gone to NYU without his character-
[00:50:55] June Diane Raphael: Really?
[00:50:55] Paul Scheer: ... Theo Huxtable going to NYU.
[00:50:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh. Oh, wow.
[00:50:57] June Diane Raphael: It was the only school he applied to- and it was only because Theo Huxtable went there.
[00:51:01] Paul Scheer: Yeah, yeah. And when I went to go see a live taping of The Cosby Show, uh, I, I raised my hand and asked him a question. Oh, wow. What did you...
[00:51:10] June Diane Raphael: Did he... What'd you ask?
[00:51:11] Jason Mantzoukas: About NYU, or?
[00:51:13] Paul Scheer: No, I said, "Do you really play basketball?"
[00:51:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, that's so great.
[00:51:17] June Diane Raphael: Oh, that's so cute.
[00:51:17] Jason Mantzoukas: It's so cool to me-
[00:51:18] June Diane Raphael: What did he say?
[00:51:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:51:20] Paul Scheer: Yes
[00:51:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Ugh. It's so cool to me that The Cosby Show is so important to you in your life.
[00:51:26] Paul Scheer: It was, it was, I think what it was so interesting-
[00:51:28] Jason Mantzoukas: That Cosby is so woven into the fabric of who you are.
[00:51:31] Paul Scheer: Oh, I love it.
[00:51:32] June Diane Raphael: It's true.
[00:51:32] Paul Scheer: I gotta get this guy out.
[00:51:33] June Diane Raphael: It's true.
[00:51:33] Paul Scheer: We gotta get this guy out. Well- Um, he's out. I guess he is out.
[00:51:37] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. I, I mean, it just kills me that Malcolm died the way he did.
[00:51:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, my God.
[00:51:42] June Diane Raphael: Oh. Anyway, that's-
[00:51:43] Jason Mantzoukas: In, in a heartbreaking- Heart- I mean, just a devastating-
[00:51:46] Paul Scheer: And from everybody that I've heard from, is just one of the, the nicest-
[00:51:49] June Diane Raphael: Sweetest men ...
[00:51:50] Paul Scheer: Uh, best guys.
[00:51:50] June Diane Raphael: The sweetest men. Hmm. And it's just a good reminder when you're in a riptide, just- don't try to swim-
[00:51:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Swim parallel.
[00:51:57] June Diane Raphael: ... to shore. Swim parallel.
[00:51:59] Jason Mantzoukas: I got caught in a riptide in Mexico and-
[00:52:01] June Diane Raphael: Oh, no.
[00:52:01] Jason Mantzoukas: ... genuinely had to be rescued, um, 'cause I started-
[00:52:05] June Diane Raphael: Did you know to swim parallel?
[00:52:05] Jason Mantzoukas: I started to drown. I did know, but the riptide- But this is what happened ... was so wide that I kept going and then trying to get in- And it's- going and trying to get in. I knew to swim parallel, but it was so long, uh, uh-
[00:52:17] June Diane Raphael: Oh, God.
[00:52:17] Jason Mantzoukas: ... that I exhausted myself trying to swim parallel-
[00:52:21] Paul Scheer: Oh, my God.
[00:52:21] Jason Mantzoukas: ... and get in.
[00:52:22] June Diane Raphael: Fuck.
[00:52:22] Jason Mantzoukas: And then I had to c- I started screaming for help, and thank God was rescued.
[00:52:26] June Diane Raphael: Oh, God, Jason.
[00:52:26] Paul Scheer: Oh, my God.
[00:52:26] Jason Mantzoukas: But genuinely started to swallow, started to swallow seawater, was active-
[00:52:31] Paul Scheer: How old were you?
[00:52:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, 36.
[00:52:34] Paul Scheer: Oh. Oh, wow, okay.
[00:52:35] Jason Mantzoukas: No, but I- I mean, let me be clear. I mean, like-
[00:52:36] Paul Scheer: But by the way, that's more scary because it's like you, you have all your faculties.
[00:52:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes, 'cause I- Yeah, so- I knew what was happening. I was like, "I'm now starting to drown because I'm unable to stop taking water in every couple of breaths." So I'm now swallowing seawater every two breaths, which is the beginning of drowning. This is crazy.
[00:52:55] June Diane Raphael: Oh, God, Jason.
[00:52:56] Jason Mantzoukas: I'm so upset. And then I had, for years, I had, uh, that dream of that experience every night.
[00:53:02] Paul Scheer: Oh, my God. That is so-
[00:53:05] June Diane Raphael: Oh, god.
[00:53:05] Paul Scheer: ... I'm having anxiety just hearing it.
[00:53:07] June Diane Raphael: Me too. Me too.
[00:53:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Oh, you... no, I don't fuck with the water. I don't fuck with the water.
[00:53:11] June Diane Raphael: I don't really either.
[00:53:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:53:13] June Diane Raphael: And, and I, I, I was caught in a couple of really, really rough waves when I was, like, a teenager. Like, I'm talking post hurricanes in New York in June, you know, over the summer where it's like you'd go out and be excited for 12 foot, 13 foot waves.
[00:53:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, for like a rough surf. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:53:29] June Diane Raphael: I was like thrilled to find out about big waves, and then I, and then I had a couple bad experiences. Yeah. Anyway, Malcolm's the one-
[00:53:35] Paul Scheer: I will say that one of my favorite moments, uh, was f- I mean, not favorite, but one of the funniest moments is I, I was out in the, in the water with my, my children, June's children as well. Uh, and, uh- ... when we were, when I was swimming with them, they got hit with a rough wave, and it just ripped the, the bathing suit off my youngest.
[00:53:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Ugh.
[00:53:55] Paul Scheer: It was, it was such a, a moment of like what, what happened? That's the power of waves. It can rip your pants-
[00:54:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh my God.
[00:54:02] Paul Scheer: ... right off.
[00:54:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, I feel like- ... some of the very f-
[00:54:04] June Diane Raphael: Oh, yeah.
[00:54:05] Jason Mantzoukas: The, one of the very, very first times I saw boobs was on the beach-
[00:54:09] Paul Scheer: Oh, yeah.
[00:54:09] Jason Mantzoukas: ... when somebody was body surfing the big waves. Yeah. And a woman in a bikini hit the, the g- g- the wave took her all the way into the shore, so her bathing suit got knocked down. And so when she stood up, she didn't know, and her boobs were out.
[00:54:23] Paul Scheer: Whoa.
[00:54:23] Jason Mantzoukas: And I was like, "Go, what is happening?"
[00:54:27] June Diane Raphael: That's, that's honestly what happened.
[00:54:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Is this allowed?
[00:54:29] June Diane Raphael: That's what happened to me- Ugh ... with one of the bad waves I hit. I was taken in so far.
[00:54:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:54:36] June Diane Raphael: And I went in like a bullet. Like, people are traveling through the sky like bullets. That's what I was doing, like a bullet, so fast onto the shore. I was knocking into moms and toddlers- Oh. ... who, who were standing there. I was like going through, through legs. Those people were taken out, and I ended up on the shore with my bathing suit completely- Yeah ... twisted around me. Seaweed. I mean, it was like- Oh ... it was a sight. Anyway, I was starting to say this before, but wh- why did Malcolm Jamal Wa- Warner's character, Pete, I think?
[00:55:09] Paul Scheer: Mm-hmm.
[00:55:09] June Diane Raphael: Or no, was it Simpson's Pete? Whoever he is, why did he take so much heat for what happened? He, it seemed that he was blamed more than the hostage, uh- Th- they, it would be- ... more than the hijackers.
[00:55:22] Paul Scheer: And when they call that out, he goes, "Look, man, they're just trying to blame someone for this plane crash." It's like- Yeah ... what about the terrorist- The people who- ... who put the bomb on the door? There is forensic evidence that shows me-
[00:55:33] Jason Mantzoukas: They, I think they were trying-
[00:55:34] Paul Scheer: there was a bomb on the door.
[00:55:35] Jason Mantzoukas: I agree. I think what they were trying to say, maybe, was that he was in a, he was an accomplice, and that he had fired a gun on the plane.
[00:55:45] June Diane Raphael: Oh.
[00:55:45] Jason Mantzoukas: And that, that-
[00:55:46] June Diane Raphael: I missed that.
[00:55:46] Jason Mantzoukas: ... and that that was-
[00:55:47] June Diane Raphael: Okay, so they, they thought he was working with them?
[00:55:49] Jason Mantzoukas: They thought maybe he was- Oh ... you know, the, it, I don't think that the, you know, like, the, it, again, this entire plot line goes away. You know what I mean? Like, it, we don't get any further into it. But I felt like the, a part of what they were saying was about the fact that he, people on the plane saw him opening fire. You know, and that was he part of the problem?
[00:56:09] Paul Scheer: Got it.
[00:56:09] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't know. You know?
[00:56:10] Paul Scheer: Even though there were five people in full skydiving outfits.
[00:56:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Fully.
[00:56:13] Paul Scheer: And someone also got their finger-
[00:56:15] June Diane Raphael: And gas masks.
[00:56:15] Paul Scheer: Eaten off.
[00:56:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, my god.
[00:56:17] Paul Scheer: Uh, like, it seems like only two people flew out the door, one of them being Malcolm Jamal Warner, and then the, another random. Um-
[00:56:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, why wouldn't you say, like, "Okay, we found," what's his name's, "the nerd's, uh, finger-
[00:56:27] June Diane Raphael: Finger ...
[00:56:27] Jason Mantzoukas: um, so we can identify it." But they're instantly like, "He's dead." They're, nobody is like, "It has bite marks on it. It looks partially chewed."
[00:56:37] Paul Scheer: Nah, they're not gonna go that deep. They had no time.
[00:56:38] Jason Mantzoukas: That seems very weird.
[00:56:40] Paul Scheer: Um- We talked a lot about the acting in this movie, and I wanna call out one actor in particular for just you know, they always say there's no small parts, small actors, right?
[00:56:50] And, you know, you can make a big difference in a small part. I don't know if you guys recognize this, but I rewound it twice because I found it to be so enjoyable. When our, uh, good guy, uh, gets caught in a parachute malfunction, uh, and is seemingly fine, he gets-
[00:57:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, Wesley Snipes? Which good guy?
[00:57:05] Paul Scheer: Oh, uh, Swoop's friend who... 'cause Swoop goes and rescues him.
[00:57:08] June Diane Raphael: There's so many of them.
[00:57:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Grey Zabriskie's son.
[00:57:10] June Diane Raphael: Oh, the young guy.
[00:57:11] Paul Scheer: The young guy.
[00:57:12] Jason Mantzoukas: The young guy. Is that, is that his son? The young guy who gets hurt.
[00:57:13] Paul Scheer: Okay, yes.
[00:57:14] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:57:14] Paul Scheer: When the young guy gets hurt, they're in the back of the ambulance.
[00:57:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah.
[00:57:18] Paul Scheer: And the, you know, the two other skydivers are there, and they're trying to take care of their friend. And the, and the EMT is like, he goes, "No one rides in the back."
[00:57:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:57:27] Paul Scheer: No one..." And he yells at them s- like their friend is dying. Yeah. And they're like, "We just, we're, we're his family." He's like, "No one ride..." He hits it twice, and it was so-
[00:57:36] Jason Mantzoukas: For no reason ...
[00:57:37] Paul Scheer: No reason to be that aggressive.
[00:57:39] Jason Mantzoukas: And al- and then he, and then the kid comes to kind of consciousness and is like, "You guys go. You have a jump to do." Yeah. What? You, you have just been, like, dead.
[00:57:48] June Diane Raphael: You were dead.
[00:57:49] Jason Mantzoukas: We just saw you die.
[00:57:50] June Diane Raphael: You didn't have a heartbeat.
[00:57:50] Jason Mantzoukas: We're not jumping. What are you talking about?
[00:57:52] June Diane Raphael: But by the way can I ask you something? I would expect Jess to know CPR.
[00:57:58] Jason Mantzoukas: All of them should know.
[00:57:59] June Diane Raphael: I don't know why they didn't, nobody did a chest compression.
[00:58:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Nope.
[00:58:03] June Diane Raphael: Now, I know this was like, you know, we don't do mouth-to-mouth anymore.
[00:58:07] Jason Mantzoukas: But this was then.
[00:58:07] June Diane Raphael: We just, we just... but right, this was the time of mouth-to-mouth, but like not, it, there, it was never only mouth-to-mouth.
[00:58:14] Jason Mantzoukas: The other thing was there wa- there was an ambulance on site, so, so cool. So they, and you saw the-
[00:58:21] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:58:22] Jason Mantzoukas: You saw the organizers be like, "Send the medic. Send the medic." But, like, the people who are in the air with parachutes make it to the ground first-
[00:58:31] June Diane Raphael: That was troubling.
[00:58:31] Jason Mantzoukas: ... extricate themselves from their parachutes, get into the water to rescue-
[00:58:36] June Diane Raphael: Yep.
[00:58:37] Jason Mantzoukas: ... this kid, I can't remember his name, um, and start doing... Like, they are there so, so, so much faster than the emergency medical, uh, uh, uh, responders that I was like, "This is not a good look for the organizers of this event."
[00:58:50] Paul Scheer: No, I know.
[00:58:51] June Diane Raphael: No, no.
[00:58:51] Paul Scheer: First of all, the organizer of that event, uh, w- with his, he's, like, wearing a, like, he's like a Leisure Suit Larry character.
[00:58:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:58:57] Paul Scheer: His, his, uh, his flight suit is, like, uh, like unzipped down the middle. It is a, it is a very bizarre look, and I love it, and I loved everything about the guy, and I know that that guy is real.
[00:59:06] I know that that guy has to be a real dude. Like, he's like, "I actually consulted on that movie." Ugh. Other than the acting and everything.
[00:59:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, I felt like all of the skydiver... 'Cause there's, the, obviously there's a ton of skydiving in the movie- real, actual skydiving, um, with both a nine-point star and a 24-point star, just so everybody knows and understands what we're talking about.
[00:59:26] June Diane Raphael: But can I ask Jason?
[00:59:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes, please, June.
[00:59:27] June Diane Raphael: Can I ask you something?
[00:59:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Mm-hmm.
[00:59:29] June Diane Raphael: The 24-point star was cool.
[00:59:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
[00:59:31] June Diane Raphael: The nine-point star was cool.
[00:59:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:59:33] June Diane Raphael: But is that all? What other tr- Yeah ... what other tr-
[00:59:36] Jason Mantzoukas: That's it.
[00:59:37] June Diane Raphael: That's it. Well, it, can-
[00:59:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, and you mentioned the lights earlier.
[00:59:39] June Diane Raphael: ... can we make a fun snake or something?
[00:59:40] Jason Mantzoukas: They, they, they, they light up.
[00:59:40] June Diane Raphael: Like, yeah, can we do-
[00:59:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Nope ...
[00:59:43] June Diane Raphael: Anything else with our bodies up there?
[00:59:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Nothing. Nothing. Well, you have to remember-
[00:59:47] June Diane Raphael: We can't make any other shapes?
[00:59:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, here's the thing. I think you have to remember they're making shapes that are meant to be seen from the ground.
[00:59:54] June Diane Raphael: Right, but why not get us so many people up there that we're doing the American flag?
[00:59:59] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, by the way-
[00:59:59] June Diane Raphael: Can we do that?
[01:00:00] Jason Mantzoukas: ... I love that, but I think-
[01:00:01] Paul Scheer: I mean, I would love it, yeah.
[01:00:01] Jason Mantzoukas: ... we are year... I- in 1994, I think we're years away-
[01:00:04] June Diane Raphael: Years away from that.
[01:00:04] Jason Mantzoukas: ... from that being possible.
[01:00:06] Paul Scheer: Yeah. I mean...
[01:00:08] Jason Mantzoukas: You know? I mean, and, and I mean that. Like, like, I feel like that's some shit that they would do now, they, like, would be on a Red Bull channel.
[01:00:14] June Diane Raphael: Oh. Right.
[01:00:15] Jason Mantzoukas: You know, where it's like, they, they launched 300 people into low orbit to do the American flag. Oh, goddamn.
[01:00:24] Paul Scheer: You know what? Obviously there's so many things to cover here, but let's also give a voice to the people who absolutely love this film. It is now time for Second Opinions.
[01:00:32] Music: [Second Opinions Song]
[01:00:33] Paul Scheer: Thank you, Wolves of Glendale. Now, there are, um, 246 total reviews. Not a lot. That, you know, in the grand scheme of doing the show- Okay ... that's a low number. 69, yeah, percent- ... are five-star reviews. 69% are five-star reviews, and this is the one that really sticks out to me, and it's a visual so please picture it.
[01:00:53] Um, it's a picture of Yancey bedside with, uh, Wesley Snipes when he's, like, in the gurney.
[01:00:59] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[01:00:59] Paul Scheer: And, and it says, the title is End Scene: Pete and Jesse, and this is from 2026.
[01:01:06] "I say at the end of the 1994 movie, Pete was on the stretcher and Jesse came over and took care of him, and he got grown closer together." Five stars.
[01:01:17] June Diane Raphael: Hmm.
[01:01:18] Paul Scheer: So this is just a person that just wanted to show you that he felt at the end of the movie our two characters who didn't like each other grew closer together.
[01:01:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[01:01:27] June Diane Raphael: I don't remember them not liking each other.
[01:01:29] Paul Scheer: They seem to be friends from-
[01:01:30] June Diane Raphael: They seem to be very-
[01:01:31] Paul Scheer: ... from the punch.
[01:01:31] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[01:01:32] Jason Mantzoukas: She was, well, she was mistrustful of him 'cause he's a cop and she is-
[01:01:36] June Diane Raphael: That's okay.
[01:01:36] Jason Mantzoukas: On parole, you know? So she thinks he's-
[01:01:38] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[01:01:38] Jason Mantzoukas: ... out to get her, but no. But yeah, then very quickly they are, they're buds. They're working together because-
[01:01:43] Paul Scheer: I, I just love that this person wrote a review-
[01:01:45] June Diane Raphael: She's so much younger.
[01:01:45] Paul Scheer: ... just like he liked that there was a happy ending for Wesley Snipes.
[01:01:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[01:01:48] Paul Scheer: Um, Bailey writes, "Great overlooked film."
[01:01:51] "I got this movie eons ago on VHS, and I was happy to get it on DVD. This is a fascinating look at the subculture of skydivers. I'm not into skydiving myself, being one of the why jump out of a perfectly good airplane kind of people, but it's a good thriller with some humor- ... and some interesting characters. It even has fight scenes that I don't find tedious." Five stars.
[01:02:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.
[01:02:14] Paul Scheer: Doesn't find those tedious.
[01:02:15] June Diane Raphael: I didn't find them tedious either, actually. Like, I-
[01:02:18] Jason Mantzoukas: No.
[01:02:18] June Diane Raphael: ... I will say this-
[01:02:19] Paul Scheer: No, they were quick
[01:02:19] June Diane Raphael: ... they're quick, and I will say this for the movie. Goddammit. I, again, I don't know if I'm okay. I'm not okay, but it didn't, I didn't find this movie to be hard to watch.
[01:02:32] Paul Scheer: No, it was pretty easy.
[01:02:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Not at all.
[01:02:34] June Diane Raphael: And I will say that I watched it under difficult circumstances. Like, I had to break it up. I realized today, like, oh shit, I had to go do two different things across town, and so I was like, I, I'm not gonna have time to drive and watch this. So I watched this in a Waymo by myself.
[01:02:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.
[01:02:51] Paul Scheer: Wow.
[01:02:53] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. Crosstown one way, crosstown the other way.
[01:02:56] Paul Scheer: Actually the best way to watch it, in a Waymo. I mean, I think-
[01:02:58] Jason Mantzoukas: It's not bad.
[01:02:58] Paul Scheer: ... like, 'cause you're moving too, yeah. Um, this one we got from-
[01:03:00] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, I mean, it's not bad.
[01:03:01] Paul Scheer: Uh, this one we got from Letterboxd, um, uh, which I just like it 'cause it's sincere from Commander Blossom,
[01:03:08] "I watched this cool movie back in 2020 with my dad, who has now passed away." Five stars.
[01:03:14] Jason Mantzoukas: That's it. Okay.
[01:03:15] Paul Scheer: That's it.
[01:03:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Hey.
[01:03:16] Paul Scheer: That's it. A lot of odd ones in here.
[01:03:18] June Diane Raphael: These are just statements, really.
[01:03:20] Paul Scheer: Just statements.
[01:03:20] June Diane Raphael: Just statements.
[01:03:20] Paul Scheer: Just statements. And I'll end with Jeff Burnham, who says,
[01:03:23] "At the tail end of one scene, Wesley Snipes pantomimes shaking an aquatic creature out of his pant leg onto the floorboard of his car stomping it to death. It is a very strange thing to see a man do in the front seat of a pristine 1965 Ford Mustang, yet I probably wouldn't have given it a second thought if I saw a guy do the same thing on the Chicago public transit." Five stars.
[01:03:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Hmm. And again, the- I don't, wait, I, what, what body of water is he coming out of?
[01:03:49] Paul Scheer: I, I don't know-
[01:03:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, in, in Chicago ...
[01:03:49] Paul Scheer: But again, all I'm saying is that these-
[01:03:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, these are weird.
[01:03:52] Paul Scheer: These reviews are all-
[01:03:53] Jason Mantzoukas: I guarantee if we did a little bit of forensic research, Gary Busey wrote all of these entries.
[01:03:58] June Diane Raphael: I was gonna say-
[01:03:59] Jason Mantzoukas: All of these reviews.
[01:03:59] June Diane Raphael: ... this feels, somehow this feels like it's all from one person.
[01:04:02] Jason Mantzoukas: These are classic Loosey Buseys.
[01:04:04] Paul Scheer: Um, the other thing I wanna just point out is this screenplay was written by the same person who wrote High School Musical. Uh-
[01:04:09] June Diane Raphael: Great. Perfect.
[01:04:12] Paul Scheer: And, um- Well ... and this is a quote that I needed to share with you both. I don't know if you knew this, but the music was done by Hans Zimmer.
[01:04:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah.
[01:04:18] June Diane Raphael: I s- yes, I saw that.
[01:04:20] Paul Scheer: And people have said that this part of the score sounds identical to, uh, the Pirates of the Caribbean.
[01:04:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Which he also did.
[01:04:27] Paul Scheer: Which he also did.
[01:04:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[01:04:29] Paul Scheer: I mean, listen to it.
[01:04:37] And Zimmer was once talking about the film and he said this: "Drop Zone was written just for fun. I was being reckless, nothing to prove, nothing to lose. The director was just happy I was working with him. Remember, I come from rock and roll. At the same time, I grew up with classical music, so I'm torn between the two. Drop Zone, I could do both. It never hurt. You know, with some scores you come away with a lot of scars. In Drop Zone, there weren't any. It was just a blast."
[01:05:00] June Diane Raphael: You know what?
[01:05:01] Jason Mantzoukas: I agree. I agree. I agree, Zimmer, and here... And we'll drop it in here, but when we s- when I started the movie-
[01:05:08] Paul Scheer: Yeah ...
[01:05:08] Jason Mantzoukas: I knew I was in for a good time because there's, like, sunset, you know- Yeah whatever B-roll, and there's that '80s, '90s era electric guitar-
[01:05:18] June Diane Raphael: Yes.
[01:05:19] Jason Mantzoukas: ... that just kind of, like, weaves its way through.
[01:05:21] June Diane Raphael: Yes.
[01:05:21] Jason Mantzoukas: And I was like, "We're gonna have fun. This is gonna be good."
[01:05:24] June Diane Raphael: And we did.
[01:05:26] Jason Mantzoukas: You know?
[01:05:26] June Diane Raphael: And we did, um, ultimately.
[01:05:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah.
[01:05:27] June Diane Raphael: We did.
[01:05:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. I, I would've loved it a just a little bit more with a little bit more understanding what the fuck-
[01:05:32] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, of course.
[01:05:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Was going on.
[01:05:34] Paul Scheer: Yeah, yeah.
[01:05:34] June Diane Raphael: Of course.
[01:05:34] Jason Mantzoukas: But otherwise-
[01:05:35] Paul Scheer: Of course.
[01:05:35] Jason Mantzoukas: ... boy, was everybody doing their best to have a good time.
[01:05:38] June Diane Raphael: Yep.
[01:05:38] Paul Scheer: And, you know, uh, if you want to not just hear us talk about the movie, but you wanna ride the movie, you can still do that. Paramount Park's now owned by Cedar-
[01:05:46] Jason Mantzoukas: What?
[01:05:46] Paul Scheer: ... Fair, uh, do have a ride based on the movie. It was called Drop Zone Stunt Tower. Now it is called Drop Tower Scream Zone, but it is the ride that was made-
[01:05:56] June Diane Raphael: Huh.
[01:05:56] Paul Scheer: ... for the movie.
[01:05:57] Jason Mantzoukas: And it still exists.
[01:05:58] Paul Scheer: And there was a sequel made by the stuntman, the skydiving coordinator for this film called Cutaway with- stars Stephen Baldwin.
[01:06:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Boy.
[01:06:08] Paul Scheer: By the way, made its money back, made over $64 million.
[01:06:10] Jason Mantzoukas: I bet this m- I bet this movie is huge in skydiving circles. Um- By both nine points and 24-point circles.
[01:06:18] Paul Scheer: Uh, um, any final thoughts? I know we have to wrap it up tight, so we-
[01:06:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Loved it. I loved it.
[01:06:24] June Diane Raphael: Loved it.
[01:06:25] Jason Mantzoukas: I thought it was great. Let's fucking, let's do more. Let's n- the-
[01:06:28] Paul Scheer: Loosey Busey
[01:06:28] Jason Mantzoukas: ... Loosey Busey. The Buse is loose.
[01:06:32] Paul Scheer: That's our show. Thank you so much for being tandem skydive partners with us today. Now, we have some big news. Uh, June is starring in the brand-new Nick Kroll animated series called Mating Season. Jason Mantzoukas is in it as well. It is on Netflix right now, and, uh, if you watch that and you wanna watch something else, you can also check out Black Monday, which just came to the service just a couple of weeks ago.
[01:06:53] Plus, How Did This Get Made is coming back to Largo in early June, and then this summer we'll be doing a lot more live shows. So if you've not signed up for our mailing list, make sure that you do. But if you just need to see, uh, me and Jason, uh, well, come out and see a Dinosaur show June 26th. We'll be doing a show in LA.
[01:07:11] We will also be in New York on the 12th and the 13th. And for all of you who are giant fans of the Dumpster episode of the Chris Gethard Show, on the night of the 11th, Jason, Chris Gethard, and I are gonna do a one night only show of The Dumpster Show. What will it be? You oughta come. You gotta go check it out.
[01:07:31] The Del Close Marathon. Also at the Del Close Marathon, uh, we're gonna be doing Match Game 76 on Saturday night. Uh, you can come see amazing shows all weekend. It's gonna be a blast. New York, we'll see you there in June. Just head over to UCBTNY.com. You can figure it out, or just go to my website. Uh, if you have not checked out the brand new trailer for Elle, what are you doing?
[01:07:54] Uh, the first teaser trailer has dropped for June's new show, which is coming out in this July. And I wanna tell you, you get a choice here because if you want to follow through on us doing an extreme sports summer, well then send us some recommendations for adrenaline junkie movies on our Discord at Discord.gg/HDTGM.
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