Light your long candles and set your trash cans on fire, because this week, Paul, June, and Jason are breaking down the 1989 movie, Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan. The crew questions if the title of this movie was inspired by the Muppets, ponder the mythology of Jason, and discuss the importance of water safety.
Light your long candles and set your trash cans on fire, because this week, Paul, June, and Jason are breaking down the 1989 movie, Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan. The crew questions if the title of this movie was inspired by the Muppets, ponder the mythology of Jason, and discuss the importance of water safety.
[00:00:00] Paul Scheer: Replace " takes" with "casually sails to" and you have a more apt description of this film. We saw Friday the 13th, Part Eight. Jason Takes Manhattan.
[00:00:16] Music: [Intro Song]
[00:00:18] Paul Scheer: Hello people of Earth and welcome to How Did This Get Made. The year is 1989. Jason Voorhees is accidentally awakened from his watery grave and ends up stalking a ship full of graduating high school students headed to Manhattan.
[00:00:35] And the final scenes of this film are shot there as well as the opening, but there is so much that happens along the way. We're gonna break it all down for you right now. Please welcome my co-host, Jason Mantzoukas and June Diane Raphael. How are you both?
[00:00:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Uh, I mean, I, I, I'm gonna be honest, I've never seen this and that I loved this New York. I just wish we'd spent more time there.
[00:00:58] Paul Scheer: I mean, this film really sets the tone of a New York movie. I mean, the opening sequence is the dirty alleys, the trash cans full of water and, and just an establishing shot on a rat that I feel like lasted for 30 seconds.
[00:01:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:01:16] Paul Scheer: Like they were like we got a real rat. We got a real rat. Keep rolling.
[00:01:18] June Diane Raphael: Well, I don't know if you noticed, 'cause I, I, the Manhattan, the Manhattan that we've seen in the beginning of this movie, there's one shot of the, the drug, you know, sort of criminals that'll come back later. But someone, I had to pause it this morning 'cause I went back and rewatched the beginning. Someone is smoking crack, not over a lighter. But over sort of like a, a candle.
[00:01:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Candle. Candle. A candle.
[00:01:41] June Diane Raphael: Long candle. Yes. A long candle.
[00:01:43] Paul Scheer: And they're over a burning trash can.
[00:01:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep.
[00:01:46] Paul Scheer: Much to, uh, Jessica's.
[00:01:48] Jason Mantzoukas: I wish, I wish we had St. Clair for this episode. Thi this episode had so much burning trash cans, chemical filled trash cans, rats filled trash cans. This really would've been great.
[00:02:00] June Diane Raphael: And I will say, here's the thing about New York, like, and this is why rats are so upsetting. Like no matter how many iterations of New York we've seen like that, this gritty kind of, you know, late seventies or early, I guess eighties.
[00:02:16] Paul Scheer: 89, June.
[00:02:17] June Diane Raphael: 89, New York, I'm sorry, 1989 New York. Then the sort of post Giuliani, like Disneyfied Times Square in New York, then post 9/11 New York, like we've seen so. Pandemic New York. We've seen so many versions of New York.
[00:02:31] Jason Mantzoukas: What are we on the Brian Laer show right now? Are we?
[00:02:34] June Diane Raphael: But let me tell you, let me tell you something though. The thing that always is true about New York City that no no one's been able to change is the rats.
[00:02:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah.
[00:02:46] Paul Scheer: Okay. Well, yeah. I guess you got a point.
[00:02:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Let's be clear. It's their city.
[00:02:49] June Diane Raphael: It No, it really is.
[00:02:51] Paul Scheer: Pizza Rat's really the New York City mayor. I will say this. Um, I just.
[00:02:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Now that Eric adams is out, pizza Rat is in?
[00:02:58] Paul Scheer: Well, I mean, he is always been in it. Uh, you know, Eric Adams was just a puppet. Like Ratatouille. Uh, now I just wanna say this, you were talking about New York and the, the vibe of New York. To put it in context, the Muppets take Manhattan. 84.
[00:03:10] June Diane Raphael: Mm-hmm.
[00:03:11] Paul Scheer: This is 89. Like, so just like when you're looking.
[00:03:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Uh, so I had a question about that. I had a question about that. What is the, what is the origin of the framework blank takes Manhattan? It can't be the Muppets. This movie can't be referencing the Muppets.
[00:03:24] Paul Scheer: I think it is because I looked it up and
[00:03:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Whoa.
[00:03:27] Paul Scheer: There's there's no other take Manhattan thing.
[00:03:30] Jason Mantzoukas: There isn't. Okay. Okay.
[00:03:31] June Diane Raphael: I can't imagine that.
[00:03:32] Jason Mantzoukas: That would be, that would shock me.
[00:03:33] June Diane Raphael: I think it's, it is, it is. I, without it having done any research, I'm gonna say that that can't be true.
[00:03:40] Paul Scheer: Alright.
[00:03:41] June Diane Raphael: I won't allow it to.
[00:03:42] Paul Scheer: I like it as a parody.
[00:03:43] Jason Mantzoukas: If this movie is directly referencing the Muppet, the Muppets take Manhattan, then they're operating on a level that I having watched it would not give them credit for.
[00:03:51] Paul Scheer: No, I would definitely not.
[00:03:53] Jason Mantzoukas: I gotta be honest. Uh, well, how familiar, I'm curious for the both of you, how either familiar or how much a part of your teenage or childhood years is, was Friday the 13th or these movies? Were they really? Yeah. Were they part of your like scary movie lexicon?
[00:04:12] June Diane Raphael: You know, it's funny, I said to Paul, I, as we were watching it, I said, you know what? This movie really doesn't have, which I think is why I'm not scared and I don't feel anything is a compelling, like, musical rhythm. Like, I don't understand the music of the horror here it isn't doing anything to me.
[00:04:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Cha cha cha cha cha cha.
[00:04:33] June Diane Raphael: Okay, so that's what Paul said. He said It's cha cha cha cha cha.
[00:04:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. And this movie has a lot of it.
[00:04:39] June Diane Raphael: And I said, that's a sound effect though. I said, that's a sound effect.
[00:04:43] Jason Mantzoukas: I agree.
[00:04:43] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:04:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, I agree. There's no Halloween theme. There's no, there is nothing that ramps you into it.
[00:04:49] June Diane Raphael: No.
[00:04:50] Jason Mantzoukas: And also, uh, they also do an interesting thing, and I don't know if this is for, to get a specific rating or so. Oh no, this has gotta be rated R so it doesn't matter.
[00:04:58] Paul Scheer: No, it's rated R.
[00:04:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. A lot of the kills. Are are on Jason. So he's stabbing someone. But you're seeing him stab. You're not seeing the person always, which is very strange.
[00:05:09] Paul Scheer: Yeah. I think the thing that really shook me to my core in this film, and I, I am a kid.
[00:05:16] Jason Mantzoukas: To your core?
[00:05:16] Paul Scheer: To my core.
[00:05:17] Jason Mantzoukas: I'm gonna be honest, I don't think your core should be available for these movies.
[00:05:21] Paul Scheer: For this. I open myself to every one of these.
[00:05:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh God. Strength in your core.
[00:05:25] Paul Scheer: No, I have to, uh, and I do strengthen it by watching these movies.
[00:05:28] So when I grew up, Jason and Freddy were a part of the, the lexicon. I didn't like scary movies. They.
[00:05:34] Jason Mantzoukas: What about Michael? Um, Michael Myers from Halloween?
[00:05:37] Paul Scheer: That was way more scary.
[00:05:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.
[00:05:38] Paul Scheer: Like, I feel like Jason and Freddy were like at least more poppy fun. Like I believe that Jason went on the Arsenio Hall show and sat there and did a silent interview with Arsenio Hall.
[00:05:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Funny.
[00:05:49] Paul Scheer: Which is one of my favorite things, uh, worth looking up. But, uh. You know, so I, I was aware of these characters, but I never really dug into this franchise.
[00:06:00] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. This mythology, for example, like, I don't know. I realized as I was watching this.
[00:06:05] June Diane Raphael: What happens to him?
[00:06:05] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't know if there are any, what are Jason's rules?
[00:06:08] Paul Scheer: Well, it switches.
[00:06:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Like I understand, uh, Freddy Krueger's rules for the most part.
[00:06:13] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:06:13] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:06:13] Jason Mantzoukas: But Jason, like Jason Voorhees, I don't understand why he's targeting all of these people and when he gets to Manhattan, he's not targeting really many other people whatsoever.
[00:06:24] Paul Scheer: He barely leaves the docks.
[00:06:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:06:26] Paul Scheer: Um, you know, this is what I'll say is the mythology here is really busted. Um, Friday the 13th.
[00:06:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay, then that's fine.
[00:06:33] Paul Scheer: Is great. Uh, because it has a clear idea of who it is. Mike Myers two, uh, and Michael Myers. Uh, great mythology. Or Mike Myers?
[00:06:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Uh, Mike Myers, yes.
[00:06:42] Paul Scheer: Yeah, Mike, my, uh.
[00:06:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Wayne's World. Yes.
[00:06:45] Paul Scheer: So I married the Ax murder. So, um, just to give you the idea of it, and they talk about it a little bit in the film, but in number one, it's Jason's mom, who's the killer? Straight up normal human.
[00:06:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, okay.
[00:06:56] Paul Scheer: In the second movie.
[00:06:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. Wait, so sorry, sorry. So in that movie, Jason's mom, whenever we see this figure in a hockey mask, it's his mother?
[00:07:06] June Diane Raphael: No.
[00:07:06] Paul Scheer: There's no hockey mask until, uh, part three.
[00:07:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, whoa.
[00:07:13] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:07:13] Jason Mantzoukas: So, oh, so that wasn't part of his iconography?
[00:07:16] Paul Scheer: No.
[00:07:16] June Diane Raphael: Not until he picks it up.
[00:07:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Holy cow.
[00:07:18] Paul Scheer: Right. So in the first one. Jason, little kid at a camp, he drowns. The mom takes revenge on the counselors. Great idea. Simple, easy.
[00:07:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Makes sense.
[00:07:28] Paul Scheer: Second one, they reveal, oh, guess what?
[00:07:29] June Diane Raphael: Although I do wanna say something about children being water safe, but I'm gonna save that because, because it's not that simple actually.
[00:07:37] Paul Scheer: Alright.
[00:07:37] June Diane Raphael: But like her, her motives and why she's taking it out on the counselors and not looking inward, but, but let's talk about that in a second.
[00:07:44] Paul Scheer: So we wanna put that, we'll put that in second opinions. Um, now, part two, they reveal, oh, that little kid didn't die. He survived. And I guess he just grew up to be an adult. They don't really tell you who raised him, uh, but he wears a.
[00:07:57] June Diane Raphael: I thought he was feral in the woods.
[00:07:59] Paul Scheer: Probably. He wears a sack over his head.
[00:08:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, he's a sack head?
[00:08:03] Paul Scheer: He's a sack head.
[00:08:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh gosh.
[00:08:04] Paul Scheer: Um, and he goes and murders, I guess the campers for murdering his mother. So first.
[00:08:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, are their eyes cut out?
[00:08:11] Paul Scheer: I don't know. I haven't seen part two.
[00:08:13] Jason Mantzoukas: That's interesting.
[00:08:13] June Diane Raphael: Now here's my question, Paul.
[00:08:15] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:08:15] June Diane Raphael: Does he, um,
[00:08:17] Paul Scheer: By the way, I think we have done this exact same thing on the other two Jason movies that we have done.
[00:08:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Really?
[00:08:21] June Diane Raphael: We've done two other Jason movies?
[00:08:23] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:08:24] June Diane Raphael: No, we haven't.
[00:08:24] Jason Mantzoukas: We did. I remember one, 'cause we went to, he went to Space and that was a part of it.
[00:08:28] Paul Scheer: That was, yes. June you were not there for that. That was uh, let the bodies hit the floor.
[00:08:31] June Diane Raphael: I don't remember it.
[00:08:32] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:08:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Uh oh. That was Let the bodies hit the floor?
[00:08:34] Paul Scheer: Yes. And then we did the one with Cory Feldman and Berkeley, I believe. And I think that's part six. Jason Lives.
[00:08:41] June Diane Raphael: Was in it, or a guest?
[00:08:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait. A what?
[00:08:42] Paul Scheer: No, Corey Felman was never a guest in the show. Uh, because we won't let him perform the second opinions theme song.
[00:08:48] Jason Mantzoukas: With his, with his band?
[00:08:49] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:08:49] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. But here's my question, was Jason as a child, he drowned when he's six years old.
[00:08:54] Paul Scheer: Mm-hmm.
[00:08:55] June Diane Raphael: Was he, um, already disfigured?
[00:09:00] Paul Scheer: Well, that seems to be this new part of it, like. He drowned, but now we're seeing like that he's a little bit disfigured.
[00:09:08] I don't know. I'm I, I'm gonna tell you little bit, honestly, I don't know. But I think part of it is, I, I think well, so yes, in part three, yeah, he gets his mask. Right. And, okay. And, and, uh.
[00:09:20] June Diane Raphael: What's going on in the back of his head too? I mean, there's some major stuff happening.
[00:09:24] Paul Scheer: A lot of weird stuff.
[00:09:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, he's also been, I don't, I don't know the, uh, the time period between the two, uh, between three and four. But he's also like, gotta be super waterlogged.
[00:09:33] Paul Scheer: Oh, he's always wa I mean he is.
[00:09:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Is he always water logged?
[00:09:36] Paul Scheer: He always.
[00:09:37] June Diane Raphael: Paul said while we were wa well we were watching it, he goes, oh. He looks so moist.
[00:09:43] Paul Scheer: Just too moist.
[00:09:44] Jason Mantzoukas: He must smell terrible.
[00:09:45] Paul Scheer: I mean, he is.
[00:09:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Just, he must be able to know where he is at all times because he must smell terrible.
[00:09:50] Paul Scheer: Oh yeah. But you know, here's the thing about Jason. Doesn't hide.
[00:09:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Doesn't need to.
[00:09:53] Paul Scheer: Um, just casually walking around.
[00:09:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Because he, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, has the ability to teleport.
[00:09:59] June Diane Raphael: Yes.
[00:09:59] Paul Scheer: Well, that I, let's.
[00:10:01] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't know. I don't understand.
[00:10:03] Paul Scheer: I will just quickly just jump through the two other ones to say that then, and we have, uh, we have, uh, part four where again, he is alive, he gets killed, he comes back. But then part five, a new beginning. Uh, Jason not in it. Killer's a copycat.
[00:10:18] Jason Mantzoukas: What?
[00:10:18] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:10:19] June Diane Raphael: Oh, wow.
[00:10:19] Paul Scheer: So then uh, part six, this is the one that we watched, uh, Jason resurrected, uh, when lightning strikes his body and he becomes an undead, super strong zombie. Okay. And then, uh, he is, uh, chained to the bottom of Crystal Lake, not destroyed. Uh, and then part seven, new blood, he breaks free of his chains, kills again.
[00:10:42] And then a psychic teenager named Tina uses her powers to resurrect, uh, her dead father who drags Jason back to the lake. Hence we get to Takes Manhattan where he is under the water.
[00:10:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Got it.
[00:10:55] Paul Scheer: And gets woken up by a power line. You know, as Jason takes Manhattan, by the way, we're gonna be taking Manhattan in November. You can get tickets at HDTGM.com. Uh, and you know, maybe we'll go there by boat.
[00:11:04] Jason Mantzoukas: I was just gonna say, we are traveling there by ferry. And the ferry is disgusting.
[00:11:09] June Diane Raphael: We're going through Ellis Island.
[00:11:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep.
[00:11:10] June Diane Raphael: Right?
[00:11:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep. And we will, yes. We will row, we will row a dinghy into Ellis Island.
[00:11:17] Paul Scheer: I have so many things to say. I just wanna talk about the boat that's the main.
[00:11:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Gotta talk about it.
[00:11:21] June Diane Raphael: Gotta talk about it.
[00:11:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Gotta talk about its amenities.
[00:11:25] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:11:25] Jason Mantzoukas: It looks like a ferry. It looks like a, a ferry. Like a gross ferry.
[00:11:28] Paul Scheer: It looks like a commercial industrial boat. There is nothing about it.
[00:11:32] June Diane Raphael: That's, yeah. Like it would be transporting like sardines or something.
[00:11:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Correct. Yes.
[00:11:35] June Diane Raphael: Like it looks.
[00:11:38] Jason Mantzoukas: So, so why does it a beautiful sauna? Oh, why does it have a hot rock sauna?
[00:11:44] Paul Scheer: And then the rooms are beautifully appointed. I mean, the rooms are really well pointed. Disco, they have a gym, um, the amount of bathroom space, uh, that that one girl has, uh, the top dollar toot girl.
[00:11:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh my god. Top dollar toot. I also wrote, Paul. Oh, that's so good.
[00:12:04] Paul Scheer: I love it.
[00:12:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. What's amazing to me though is that this is eight, is that right?
[00:12:08] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:12:08] Jason Mantzoukas: This is eight.
[00:12:09] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:12:09] Jason Mantzoukas: This is eight. They're eight movies in by 1989.
[00:12:15] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:12:15] Jason Mantzoukas: That's crazy.
[00:12:16] Paul Scheer: First one started in 1980, so there's one a year pretty much with the exception of 1983, um, and 87.
[00:12:24] Jason Mantzoukas: That's amazing. Okay.
[00:12:25] Paul Scheer: Yeah. And by the way, I just want you to both know that this movie was written, uh, fully to be shot in New York. Like there was, it was.
[00:12:34] Jason Mantzoukas: Uh, when it was over an hour and we had not gotten to New York yet. I I was starting to get angry.
[00:12:39] Paul Scheer: Yes. Oh, I mean, well, first of all, it is the longest runtime of any Friday the 13th film. It also is the, uh, Friday the 13th film that has the least amount of nudity.
[00:12:48] Jason Mantzoukas: So why are we doing it then?
[00:12:50] June Diane Raphael: Well, and why is, first of all, was it Friday the 13th?
[00:12:54] Paul Scheer: Well, that doesn't play into anything.
[00:12:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, has that ever played into it? Has, has, has Friday the 13th been significant in, in, I'm assuming number one, right?
[00:13:04] Paul Scheer: That I'm gonna give you a big old pause because I don't know the answer to.
[00:13:08] June Diane Raphael: Well, that's just interesting because Yeah, it's like, it didn't seem like we were referencing any of the things that.
[00:13:14] Jason Mantzoukas: We, we never saw a calendar.
[00:13:16] June Diane Raphael: Never, we never saw a calendar.
[00:13:17] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Well, by the way, it'll be so easy if you lived in Camp Crystal Lake. You just leave, by the way, crystal Lake. Uh, uh, how, how would you get out of it? Like, how would you like Crystal Lake? Seems like a lake.
[00:13:28] Jason Mantzoukas: It's a lake.
[00:13:29] Paul Scheer: How did they Yeah, they, yes. Tricky to get to, uh, the Atlantic.
[00:13:32] June Diane Raphael: Well, yeah. Yeah. Well, that's another thing. I had so many questions about. Where is Crystal Lake?
[00:13:38] Jason Mantzoukas: I think it's in like New England. My, my guess is it's in like New Hampshire or something.
[00:13:43] Paul Scheer: Uh, actually you'll be surprised to know that Camp Crystal Lake is in New Jersey.
[00:13:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, it's in, oh, fucking hell, of course it's in New Jersey.
[00:13:52] Paul Scheer: Scott also wants us to know that, uh, the murders in part one do happen on Friday the 13th.
[00:13:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, okay. So, okay. So that makes sense. Yes. Okay. Wow. New Jersey. So they're taking a ferry to new to New York to the ferry from New Jersey, which has gotta take longer.
[00:14:11] Paul Scheer: Well they have bedrooms. They have bedrooms.
[00:14:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Why are they going overnight?
[00:14:16] June Diane Raphael: And also, let's talk about the weather they hit. I mean, it truly looks like they are in like the, what is it called? Like the northern passage or whatever that
[00:14:25] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Like a Noreaster or they're hitting. Yeah.
[00:14:27] June Diane Raphael: It looks so, and I just can't imagine that they're hitting that kind of weather. And I do have to question the original captain of the boat.
[00:14:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:14:38] June Diane Raphael: Who gets murdered and then somehow is standing up at the end. But, but, why didn't he know? Before they went off course that they were heading into such rough waters?
[00:14:49] Paul Scheer: I think that they did say that there was gonna be some rough waters, but it was tricky because there's so much exposition at the top of this, and especially from that captain who just kind of deputizes his son to also be a captain of a very large vessel without any training whatsoever, and then is immediately mad at him like, oh god damn. He didn't know how to do that.
[00:15:09] June Diane Raphael: It's so funny because we're given so many scenes and yet so little information.
[00:15:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:15:15] June Diane Raphael: That we are frantically trying to make meaning of like when we were watching that scene between the, the young woman, our heroine, our final girl, and the older woman in the car. I thought, oh, that's mother and daughter.
[00:15:31] And then, no, no, that's English teacher and student. And then I had a moment where I thought, and there's a love connection between the two of them.
[00:15:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Uhhuh.
[00:15:40] Paul Scheer: Oh yeah.
[00:15:41] June Diane Raphael: There were, I had to go, I had to make meaning where I could because nothing was being provided to me. The same with the captain and his son. I have no idea.
[00:15:51] Paul Scheer: Was he disappointed in?
[00:15:52] June Diane Raphael: What's happening?
[00:15:53] Jason Mantzoukas: The same with the principal and his niece, who is the final girl.
[00:15:57] Paul Scheer: Oh, yes. Ren. Is, is it Renny, his niece or was he the adopted, like?
[00:16:02] Jason Mantzoukas: No, it's his niece.
[00:16:03] June Diane Raphael: I think it's his niece.
[00:16:04] Jason Mantzoukas: She calls him Uncle. So, and.
[00:16:05] Paul Scheer: Got it.
[00:16:05] Jason Mantzoukas: So I can't remember. Um.
[00:16:07] June Diane Raphael: Well, can we talk about water safety?
[00:16:09] Paul Scheer: Oh, wait. Wow. I guess we're doing it early. All right, let's do it.
[00:16:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Absolutely. Absolutely.
[00:16:12] June Diane Raphael: So my issue with this movie is I feel like, and, and I'm gonna take on like the whole Jason lore in general because.
[00:16:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh boy.
[00:16:21] June Diane Raphael: The thing that starts this is Jason is as a 6-year-old boy.
[00:16:25] Paul Scheer: Mm-hmm.
[00:16:25] June Diane Raphael: Does not know how to swim.
[00:16:27] Paul Scheer: Got it.
[00:16:28] June Diane Raphael: Now you live in Crystal Lake, but you live anywhere.
[00:16:30] Paul Scheer: He's at camp.
[00:16:31] June Diane Raphael: It doesn't matter. You, you don't send your child to camp without them knowing how to swim.
[00:16:35] Paul Scheer: Okay, got it.
[00:16:36] June Diane Raphael: So the fact that the mom takes out revenge on all the counselors who I guess weren't paying attention, like I think there's a reality to that. They weren't paying attention, but that is for her to wrestle with.
[00:16:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:16:48] June Diane Raphael: The rest of her life. How she sent her child to camp without him being water safe.
[00:16:53] Paul Scheer: June, when do you think Jason Voorhees died? Like roughly.
[00:16:57] June Diane Raphael: Died, the child?
[00:16:59] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:16:59] June Diane Raphael: I thought when he was six.
[00:17:01] Paul Scheer: Yeah. But like when?
[00:17:01] June Diane Raphael: Oh, what year?
[00:17:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:17:03] June Diane Raphael: It's 1989, he looks like, well, I don't know if he ages.
[00:17:06] Jason Mantzoukas: That's the thing. He's a big burly man now. So how did that happen?
[00:17:10] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, that's what's so hard.
[00:17:11] Jason Mantzoukas: How does he come back as a big man?
[00:17:13] Paul Scheer: I'll, i'll let you know that it's 1957.
[00:17:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Come on now. How so?
[00:17:17] Paul Scheer: 1957.
[00:17:18] June Diane Raphael: 57?
[00:17:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, what do you mean? So, so. So, but wait, so, okay. So what, what year does number one take place?
[00:17:25] Paul Scheer: I imagine that what they do is they show him drowning and then years have passed. Oh. And, and June, to answer your question, he, the reason why, uh, the 11-year-old Jason, um, what, um, so he was, he did have facial deformities. He was a camper at Crystal Lake where his mother worked as a cook. He was bullied and teased by the other children. He ran to the camp's pier and fell into the lake after other campers. But the, he was 11, but the counselors,
[00:17:58] June Diane Raphael: He was 11?
[00:17:58] Paul Scheer: Preoccupied with drug use and sex to notice a struggle. Unable to swim. Jason.
[00:18:02] Jason Mantzoukas: In 1957?
[00:18:03] Paul Scheer: Yes. Camp closed in 1958. And the, and it reopened in 79 and that's when the first movie took place.
[00:18:14] June Diane Raphael: But if he had some sort of disfigurement that like where he couldn't ever learn how to swim, that's one thing. But parents' responsibility, guess, guess how most kids die before the age of five.
[00:18:25] Paul Scheer: I guess you're gonna say drowning.
[00:18:27] June Diane Raphael: Drowning. Now, my issue with this movie too is we're so mad. We're so mad as an audience, or we're supposed to be, when we find out that the uncle slash principal threw her off that little dinghy into Camp Crystal Lake or wherever, whatever that lake is, to teach her how to swim. That is, and I'm not saying it's an effective swimming technique, but that is a way to get young children to learn how to swim.
[00:18:54] Paul Scheer: Sure.
[00:18:54] June Diane Raphael: He was trying to ultimately save her life, and he's portrayed as the villain in that moment.
[00:18:59] Paul Scheer: Well, I, it was it a traumatic moment, and I don't know if in that moment that's when she discovered her own psychic abilities because she.
[00:19:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:19:09] Paul Scheer: At that point, creates a psychic bond with another drowned child of the lake. The lake holds his aura, his childlike aura, because that's the other thing. He is also, uh, I guess he's dead, but he is a zombie. But yet the ghost of the child still lives independently of the zombie version.
[00:19:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Again, these, this is, I have this question too. Is we, what am I meant? Who, who is Jason? I, I, I, I think I've literally said who is Jason?
[00:19:39] I'm now having such a eerie flashback.
[00:19:41] Paul Scheer: Now that's a shirt.
[00:19:42] Jason Mantzoukas: But I mean, like, really, um, for me, I, 'cause the, the little kid I get the, the, the, the ghoul, you know, that is rampaging, I get. But the two concurrently, I'm like, where does this live? What is, what is this? Well, yeah.
[00:19:58] June Diane Raphael: And here's another, here's another question if I can, just to get back to water safety one more time.
[00:20:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Sure.
[00:20:03] June Diane Raphael: And she never learns how to swim. So that's gonna come back to haunt her. I would assume. I would assume that Jason also never learned how to swim, and yet he is somehow, when he's resurrected at the beginning of this movie, through an electrical cord that's floating around in the water. When he's electrified back to life, he somehow is able to swim and not drown in that water. When did he take a water safety class?
[00:20:32] Paul Scheer: June, he's been from 1957 to 1980, he has been living a good life. Uh, and I guess he only really came back to avenge his mom. But I, you could argue that he may have just been working in the local store, uh, up until then.
[00:20:46] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't think he needs to breathe because when, correct me if I'm wrong.
[00:20:51] June Diane Raphael: Like he's an amphibian?
[00:20:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, you know, I mean, like, he's under the water. Um, um, do you think when, uh, when they leave on the rowboat, right, um uh.
[00:21:08] Paul Scheer: When the ship is sunk?
[00:21:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:21:09] Paul Scheer: By the way, I just wanna point, point out that a, uh, a show or, or at least a caught fire, uh, I will say this, uh, a trip from New Jersey to New York on boat a hour. That's the normal time. And, uh, they run Express Ferries, uh, every day. Multiple a day.
[00:21:23] June Diane Raphael: Oh, not even, even not overnight.
[00:21:24] Jason Mantzoukas: So not even remotely overnight.
[00:21:24] Paul Scheer: Not even, yeah.
[00:21:25] Jason Mantzoukas: And the minute they were like, it's gonna be bad weather, they could have easily put everybody on a school bus and had them in the city like within an hour. Um, my question is when the boat, yes. When they all abandoned the boat and J and Jason Voorhees, he then, and they row to Manhattan and he follows them to Manhattan. How?
[00:21:45] Paul Scheer: Swimming under the boat.
[00:21:46] Jason Mantzoukas: I, I believe, and I'm being honest, I believe he walked along the ocean's floor.
[00:21:52] Paul Scheer: Oh wow. Okay.
[00:21:52] Jason Mantzoukas: I think he does not need to breathe.
[00:21:54] June Diane Raphael: Wow. That's interesting.
[00:21:55] Jason Mantzoukas: And I would love, I would've loved a shot of just him slowly walking along the ocean's floor. 'cause that to me makes him now jaws that.
[00:22:05] June Diane Raphael: Interesting.
[00:22:06] Jason Mantzoukas: The, the looming threat. He just is, he appears too often. And I, a little bit wanted to know like, how, is like to give me a sense of his movement, not just his presence.
[00:22:17] Paul Scheer: That club scene, there is a club.
[00:22:19] June Diane Raphael: Mm-hmm.
[00:22:20] Paul Scheer: A, uh, a, a, a dance club on this, uh, freighter that they're on. And when, um, that girl runs into the dance club, she is in the middle of a room that has nothing to hide behind.
[00:22:31] It is a dance floor surrounded by some chairs and a bar. Right. You could stand in the center and see every wa there's nowhere to hide. And yet Jason is moving around that room as if, you're right, teleporting around.
[00:22:44] Jason Mantzoukas: The thing is strangest is she's at one point looking right at him. He's like fully across the room for her, and all she has to do is not take her eyes off of him, but, but by doing so.
[00:22:57] Paul Scheer: Yeah, no.
[00:22:58] Jason Mantzoukas: He is then he evaporates and. And then is suddenly somehow just, yeah, right, right there. It is so funny. And I like it. I don't mind it. I just kept being like, why? What am I meant to intuit from this? What is this teaching me?
[00:23:14] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:23:14] Paul Scheer: This is what I wanna get to. That was bothering me about this whole movie. And again, I know there are people out there that are mad at us and we don't know enough about the Jason Lore. I'm sorry, but.
[00:23:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, you think there are fans of this property so much so that they would complain about our ignorance?
[00:23:27] Paul Scheer: Oh, they're gonna be, you got it wrong.
[00:23:29] Jason Mantzoukas: And they'll find a way to talk back to us, the podcast?
[00:23:33] Paul Scheer: I can't wait for the Last Looks episode. So this is what I will say that really bummed me out about this movie is the Kills are not fun. They seem like someone doing chores. It's like, like, it's a, it's so blunt and, and bald. It's like, and it's not even, it's not even scary because it's like. Jason, can you take out the trash? Okay, mom.
[00:24:00] Jason Mantzoukas: True.
[00:24:00] Paul Scheer: Look, that's all it is.
[00:24:01] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. Well, and a part of that is because he doesn't seem to have any motivation.
[00:24:06] Paul Scheer: No.
[00:24:06] June Diane Raphael: We don't understand. It's like, it's not really about killing virgins. It's not really about just killing teenagers. It's like there's no rhyme or reason to any of that.
[00:24:16] Paul Scheer: At point, he seems to get lazy and just toss the guy off the side of the boat.
[00:24:19] Jason Mantzoukas: There's a way in which the principal, the principal kept.
[00:24:22] June Diane Raphael: Couldn't be bothered.
[00:24:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Like, um, it's not Jason Vorhees. Don't talk to me about Jason Vorhees. And I was like, oh, does he have some connection? He's older in that way that like Freddy Krueger was seeking revenge on the.
[00:24:34] Paul Scheer: He was in the camp with him.
[00:24:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, but that's what I mean. I mean, that's what I mean. Like I felt like, oh, this, this guy is gonna be the bridge between Jason Voorhees and the now. And Nope. Nope. Not at all.
[00:24:46] June Diane Raphael: No. Well, it's interesting you talk about his movements, Jason, because. I, I, there were times, one of the things I think I like about Jason, if I can say, oh, yeah, yeah. If it's okay to say that.
[00:25:00] Jason Mantzoukas: We should all go around and say some things we like about him. Like, I feel bad for him that we're being so negative.
[00:25:06] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. I think it's really balancing. I like, I've always liked his lumbering nature.
[00:25:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Mm-hmm.
[00:25:13] June Diane Raphael: The slow movement.
[00:25:15] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:25:15] June Diane Raphael: But in this movie, because he teleports, he almost, the pace of him seems to have quickened and he pops up, hi, hither and tether. He's everywhere. And so he's, he doesn't seem to have that lumbering.
[00:25:28] Paul Scheer: But June, I will also argue that, as someone who can teleport. He is someone who seems to just casually walk downstairs.
[00:25:34] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:25:34] Paul Scheer: Like he's walking through the hallways of that ship with no. Um, yeah. He's not sneaking. I guess he doesn't need to sneak. Um, he, but he is.
[00:25:43] June Diane Raphael: He's post sneak.
[00:25:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Boats are also Yes. Boats are also notoriously tight, difficult places to negotiate. Yeah. You know, tight small doors and tiny narrow stairways and so many ladders. And he's executing it like a fuck. We don't see it, but he must be executing it like a gymnast. He must be going through this boat. Like, and that's what I like about him. It's like he's not complaining. You know? He's not complaining.
[00:26:13] June Diane Raphael: Right.
[00:26:14] Paul Scheer: I wanna jump on that, and I wanna say, um, persistence is what I like about Jason. He is, yeah.
[00:26:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Follow through.
[00:26:19] Paul Scheer: He does have some follow through and he is, um, he stopped a crime, he stopped a rape and you know, we don't, we don't talk about that.
[00:26:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:26:27] Paul Scheer: Um, you know like.
[00:26:28] Jason Mantzoukas: You're right.
[00:26:28] Paul Scheer: There was no one there to help.
[00:26:29] June Diane Raphael: Certainly don't.
[00:26:30] Paul Scheer: You know, he, he.
[00:26:31] June Diane Raphael: We certainly don't.
[00:26:32] Paul Scheer: He did a very heroic thing.
[00:26:34] Jason Mantzoukas: So he's kind of an anti-hero. Is Jason an anti-hero?
[00:26:38] Paul Scheer: You know, I, I think.
[00:26:40] Jason Mantzoukas: It's Tony Soprano. Jason Vorhees. It's Walter White.
[00:26:44] June Diane Raphael: Oh my god.
[00:26:46] Paul Scheer: You know, I, I do think that this movie is, you know, you can feel that they don't know exactly what to do and they are changing the story at all times. Cause that principle character is a fun character. But this game in the middle, like he is threatening the pretty, uh, the, the hot popular cocaine girl. Like if you don't hand it.
[00:27:08] June Diane Raphael: Tamara.
[00:27:08] Paul Scheer: Your biology project, what is it?
[00:27:10] June Diane Raphael: Tamara.
[00:27:11] Paul Scheer: Uh, if you don't hand in your biology project.
[00:27:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh boy.
[00:27:13] Paul Scheer: You're not gonna leave the ship. And it's like, well, isn't this a grad cruise? Haven't they graduated?
[00:27:19] June Diane Raphael: I thought they had graduated. They're all worried about their schoolwork. I'm like, I thought this was a celebration trip.
[00:27:25] Paul Scheer: They, they, the banner said, congratulations, seniors.
[00:27:28] June Diane Raphael: Grads.
[00:27:28] Paul Scheer: I mean, and by the way, her biology project.
[00:27:30] June Diane Raphael: Also, like some of them seem to know each other. Some of them seem like complete strangers to each other.
[00:27:36] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:27:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, I think the people that seemed like strangers were the people who were obviously 36-year-old high school students.
[00:27:42] June Diane Raphael: But she's sometimes, she's sometimes referring to them as like, oh, I would sleep with that. That's the only senior in sleep with. I'm like, wait, are, aren't you a senior? Or are you a, are you a different grade?. I mean, it was just so confound. One thing I do love about this time period that I'd be remiss to not mention. It took me back 'cause I was a part of this to when, actually, I guess if I was only nine, my sister had her hair like this, this, at this time, a lot of women and girls teenagers had a scrunched up curl that was wet in appearance.
[00:28:19] So not a soft curl, but a wet, hard scrunched curl. Okay. And this movie, Remy is just like, got that hairdo and so many of the girls have that hairdo and I'm like, wow, we just don't see that anymore. And it was a, it was a moment in time, like, have your hair look wet and stiff.
[00:28:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Totally. You know what it was, it was, um, a time when there were very few actually, um, uh, very few hair products, especially for people with curly hair that worked and that worked right.
[00:28:56] June Diane Raphael: Mm.
[00:28:56] Jason Mantzoukas: So if you, if you that's were to
[00:28:58] June Diane Raphael: Interesting.
[00:28:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Maintain a curl, it looked wet or weird, like, or, you know, yeah. You like there were, you didn't have, like, you have so many options right now as a curly haired person for haircare products that are for your hair.
[00:29:10] June Diane Raphael: Right.
[00:29:11] Jason Mantzoukas: You know? And you used to just get.
[00:29:13] June Diane Raphael: Right. Yeah. There's been a lot of innovation, hasn't there?
[00:29:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. You used to just get like gel. It was just gel.
[00:29:19] June Diane Raphael: Right.
[00:29:20] Jason Mantzoukas: You know, or moose.
[00:29:21] June Diane Raphael: Like you put your hand in like a bucket and put it on.
[00:29:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. A glo, a glop, a bunch of glop. Moose and then moose happened. And that was a whole moose.
[00:29:34] June Diane Raphael: Right. But the curl itself was like a, it was like solid. It was like, it was like so hard. It was a hard curl.
[00:29:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Like a helmet of curls.
[00:29:43] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:29:43] Jason Mantzoukas: He was forced to have a helmet of curls.
[00:29:45] June Diane Raphael: Yes. Now we haven't even talked about that, the, the woman who is the, I think that she's the first woman we see on, on the Vessel who's singing a song.
[00:29:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, we're rock and roll girl? Yeah.
[00:29:55] June Diane Raphael: The rock and Roll Girl.
[00:29:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Love her.
[00:29:57] Paul Scheer: Oh, loved her.
[00:29:58] June Diane Raphael: Her hair was one of the most amazing things I'd ever seen in my life. My lifetime.
[00:30:04] Jason Mantzoukas: I wish there had been more of her and the videographer boy who are like the alternative kids who are like, you know, doing their thing. I loved them too.
[00:30:14] Paul Scheer: Oh, I, my heart broke for that video kid who really wanted to get it on with the, the hot, uh, coke head, you know? And he is like, Hey, I just wanna say, Tamara, sorry. Uh,
[00:30:24] June Diane Raphael: No, he was so cute.
[00:30:25] Paul Scheer: He was.
[00:30:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah.
[00:30:26] Paul Scheer: By the way, I did have a problem with Tamara's biology project.
[00:30:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Same.
[00:30:29] Paul Scheer: So she's trying to seduce her teacher to blackmail him. So she will pass, but yet it's graduation. I don't know. But the thing I was most confused by is that she has painted her organs on her body, like kind of like a Mr. Good body, but where her stomach is, it seems to be like an arrow pointing down to her crotch.
[00:30:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Also how she wrote that upside down. How did she write that?
[00:30:53] Paul Scheer: A talent, she's talented.
[00:30:54] June Diane Raphael: Well, and I also, and I know she was setting him up, but why was he going to her state room?
[00:30:59] Paul Scheer: Well, he needed to get that biology project. I would, I mean, I will say he kissed her for a little bit too long for my liking.
[00:31:05] June Diane Raphael: Agreed, agreed.
[00:31:06] Paul Scheer: Uh, you know, it was, yeah. That, that could have been cut away. He could have pushed her off.
[00:31:10] Jason Mantzoukas: I've just looked and done a slight bit of math to find out that this actor who plays the, uh, uncle and the principal or whatever, is in, at the time of this movie's release, I believe nine years older than I am currently right now.
[00:31:25] Paul Scheer: Wow. Okay.
[00:31:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Which is chilling.
[00:31:29] Paul Scheer: Well, but this is a time, you gotta remember Lethal Weapon.
[00:31:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:31:32] Paul Scheer: Number one, Danny Glover is 42.
[00:31:35] Jason Mantzoukas: It's crazy.
[00:31:35] Paul Scheer: And Wolffer Brimley is 49 in Cocoon.
[00:31:38] Jason Mantzoukas: The one that I saw recently was that it during All In the Family when All in the family Archie Bunker was, uh, Carol O'Connor as Archie Bunker was 47 years old. And, and that blew my mind.
[00:31:49] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. I mean, I'm, I am nearing Golden Girl's age.
[00:31:52] Paul Scheer: Wow. Yeah.
[00:31:53] June Diane Raphael: I mean, I mean, I'm actually in it. So that's just really distressing.
[00:31:56] Paul Scheer: We've changed. We've changed. Our lives have changed. We look better than those people who looked a lot older.
[00:32:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh no, they lived much harder. Their life expectancies were much shorter.
[00:32:04] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. And they didn't have, you know, the hair advancements.
[00:32:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh my God.
[00:32:07] June Diane Raphael: Curl creams and all of that stuff.
[00:32:11] Paul Scheer: By the way, I gotta say, you know, June, I know this is kind of your domain, but I wanna just talk about Kelly Hugh, uh, who is the girl who gets murdered in the, uh, disco. I love that outfit she was wearing the backward suspenders and the.
[00:32:21] June Diane Raphael: Oh, you said, you shouted it out while we were watching it.
[00:32:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Short, short pants with tights.
[00:32:26] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:32:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Short pants with, I also love that outfit.
[00:32:27] Paul Scheer: This is a great outfit.
[00:32:28] Jason Mantzoukas: That is a vintage, yeah. Vintage eighties to me. I outfit tight black tights under like longish shorts.
[00:32:34] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, and it's interesting 'cause like I really liked her and I really liked this character. Maybe I related to her of sort of like being adjacent to someone who has this sheen to them and people really love, but also like, and wanting to witness her, but also not wanting to do the things she's doing, but well, sort of studying her, like a sociologist. I thought it was fascinating, but I was sad that she died so quickly. I was more interested in her than Remy.
[00:33:01] Jason Mantzoukas: I was, yes. Oh, very much. I was like so on board for her too. She has such a nice arc. But then my, the bummer is kind of what I was saying before is, she's one of the only people who we watch die on camera. And it takes a long time because.
[00:33:16] Paul Scheer: Forever.
[00:33:16] Jason Mantzoukas: She's strangled by Jason. She is
[00:33:19] Paul Scheer: For a long time.
[00:33:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Like 40 seconds.
[00:33:22] June Diane Raphael: And that's personal.
[00:33:22] Jason Mantzoukas: And I'm like, why watching the one person who has been almost completely like a good person on this, in this experience, not a villain. Everybody else is getting like a quick death and we have to watch her suffer. No thanks.
[00:33:35] Paul Scheer: Well this is, this is what I was trying to circle it back to June, when you talked about the rockstar. Jason seems to go after the cool people first.
[00:33:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:33:44] June Diane Raphael: Mm-hmm.
[00:33:44] Paul Scheer: Like, he, like, I mean, not the guy who was on the boat in the very beginning, who scares his girlfriend by having a hockey mask and a fake knife at, at the ready.
[00:33:53] June Diane Raphael: Oh, that was terrible.
[00:33:53] Paul Scheer: That opened up a lot of problems and a lot of questions I have about people who own boats. If you have like, I, like I, I felt to me very much on par. If you own a boat, you probably do have a fake knife and a mask in there. 'cause you're up to some weird shit.
[00:34:06] June Diane Raphael: Well, it's, I, I, I don't disagree with you and I, I've always wanted to own a boat.
[00:34:11] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:34:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Really?
[00:34:12] June Diane Raphael: So that's my shame. But yeah.
[00:34:14] Paul Scheer: What kind of boat do you wanna own, June?
[00:34:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. What do you got? What do you got?
[00:34:17] June Diane Raphael: I just think it would be fun to go, like, have a boat you could take out and.
[00:34:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Just cruise around and, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:34:22] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. I think it would be nice to have like one cabin that you could sleep overnight in, but then basically just like a.
[00:34:28] Paul Scheer: Wow, you wanna go out there.
[00:34:29] June Diane Raphael: But yeah, just like a party boat. Like a boat. You could take friends out.
[00:34:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Got it.
[00:34:32] June Diane Raphael: Sunset cruise. Have a cocktail.
[00:34:34] Jason Mantzoukas: Are you, are you strong in the water or are you a good swimmer?
[00:34:37] Paul Scheer: Yeah, she's good.
[00:34:37] June Diane Raphael: You're not Jason?
[00:34:38] Jason Mantzoukas: No. And I grew up in a beach town. I grew up like in the water and on boats, and I'm not a strong swimmer at all. I don't fuck, I don't fuck with the ocean. I'm, I'm not interested in boats.
[00:34:48] June Diane Raphael: Okay.
[00:34:49] Paul Scheer: Yeah. I, I am a, I'm intermediate, I'm a middle, I'm a middle. Uh, I'm not bad, but I'm not great.
[00:34:55] June Diane Raphael: I think I have a healthy fear of the ocean and respect for it. I'm not going out.
[00:34:59] Paul Scheer: Well, that's why I think makes you so powerful about it. Yeah.
[00:35:01] June Diane Raphael: Thank you, Paul. But I'm not going out. I'm not doing anything crazy in there.
[00:35:05] Paul Scheer: Well, June remembers when we were up in Vancouver, you, you said you wanna swim to that dock. And I said, I don't think it makes that much sense for me to do that. Because I, I, was nervous, had the kids with me and I was like, I don't wanna, I don't wanna put them in a situation. I don't need to be a hero. And I think that's an important thing to recognize where you are.
[00:35:22] June Diane Raphael: But you know what though? I was glad you didn't, but I also, as I sat there, thought, and maybe this is why I was egging you on, if you do start to struggle, I could come out there and you wanted a what?
[00:35:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Well that's what you wanted?
[00:35:36] Paul Scheer: And this is, and this is what June. Now, June go. This is, this is how.
[00:35:41] Jason Mantzoukas: June is like, this day is boring. I want to save someone.
[00:35:46] Paul Scheer: She wants to save me. And she has a very particular way of doing it. Which you felt the movie did not show it done properly.
[00:35:53] June Diane Raphael: Well, again, we're talking about water safety because when, I don't remember who went into save.
[00:35:59] Jason Mantzoukas: The son.
[00:36:00] June Diane Raphael: Oh, yeah. Remy's love interest. Yeah. He jumped into Save her 'cause she was flailing about, and I said to Paul, 'cause I wanted to remind him, you are approaching someone who's drowning. You never approach from the front.
[00:36:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:36:11] June Diane Raphael: You, oh, and I was a, also a Red Cross, you know, trained lifeguard. So I remember this training. You swim toward them. And then you dive underneath, you're under, you're under their legs now. You come out on the other end and then you grab 'em from the back.
[00:36:28] Paul Scheer: Wow.
[00:36:29] June Diane Raphael: Because they will pull you down.
[00:36:30] Jason Mantzoukas: I remember that from Boy Scouts. 'cause we had to learn how to, you know, how to, you know. Exactly.
[00:36:36] June Diane Raphael: Great. And so I knew that I was preparing with Paul to approach from the back.
[00:36:41] Jason Mantzoukas: So you were preparing.
[00:36:41] June Diane Raphael: Even though he loves me very much, he would pull me down.
[00:36:43] Paul Scheer: Wow.
[00:36:44] Jason Mantzoukas: While you were encouraging him to go further and to perhaps court exhaustion, you were, you were preparing him for your fun of rescuing him.
[00:36:54] Paul Scheer: She wanted, yes. She wanted to get like a little bit of that action back, that kind of.
[00:36:58] Jason Mantzoukas: A little bit of that juice.
[00:36:59] June Diane Raphael: No, it was an interesting moment. 'cause the dock was, it was doable, but it was like also like, yeah, that's pretty far.
[00:37:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. So he, he, if he gets there, if he gets there.
[00:37:08] June Diane Raphael: Pretty far.
[00:37:08] Jason Mantzoukas: That's great. And if he doesn't, that's great too.
[00:37:11] Paul Scheer: Well, my issue was that I would be with the kids. Now I will tell you this much. When that girl fell off the boat, those two popular girls took off so quick. Those two popular girls don't even wait for her to get back on the boat. And then her English teacher is like, yeah, care to talk about it? Care to talk about what? She was pushed off the boat. You can't have.
[00:37:31] June Diane Raphael: She also gets to bring her dog.
[00:37:33] Paul Scheer: Oh, well here's.
[00:37:34] June Diane Raphael: Okay. So when she, when she was walking onto the vessel, I thought she was blind.
[00:37:38] Paul Scheer: And why And wait, what, what, what happened to her parents said in a car accident. So she gets a lot of these kind of special treatment?
[00:37:45] Jason Mantzoukas: I guess so. Something like that. Yeah.
[00:37:47] Paul Scheer: I mean, well, there was something also that I thought was interesting. I read this in the research that, uh, Molly, uh, found this. Kane Hodder, who famously, uh, plays Jason in these movies. People love Kane Hodder, uh, shout out to Kane. Um, refused to kick that dog into the water, into the water. Uh, yeah. So they had a scene where, uh, Kane Hodder approached the dog and one of the first kills would've been dog off the boat. Uh, but he said, no, it's too mean.
[00:38:13] Jason Mantzoukas: I love it.
[00:38:13] Paul Scheer: I won't do it. So then the dog just becomes a part of the, part of the cast and crew. Uh, so that was, uh, that was the fix.
[00:38:21] Jason Mantzoukas: I didn't mind it. And I actually quite liked that there was a dog present that like, was that that was we, that was.
[00:38:28] June Diane Raphael: I wish it was more dog.
[00:38:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. That was weird and unique in a movie that was otherwise confusing and, and I was like, yeah, gimme more weird stuff. Like there's a dog and a bandana running around, you know, like.
[00:38:37] June Diane Raphael: Here's the two parts that I thought were
[00:38:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:38:40] June Diane Raphael: Like, interesting, intelligent, and like sort of horror savvy. Number one, the dog.
[00:38:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:38:46] June Diane Raphael: And number two, when our filmmaker student.
[00:38:50] Paul Scheer: Ooh. Yeah.
[00:38:50] June Diane Raphael: When he loses his eyeglasses and then has to use the, the lens of the camera and refocusing it to actually see what happens.
[00:38:57] Paul Scheer: Well, he did shoot someone.
[00:38:58] June Diane Raphael: Those are the.
[00:38:58] Paul Scheer: Let that be known.
[00:39:00] June Diane Raphael: He, because he couldn't see.
[00:39:01] Paul Scheer: Well, June, that's a, I mean. You're so, you're up there defending this guy for just firing without glasses on.
[00:39:10] June Diane Raphael: Well, at that point, they know there's a murder around this ship.
[00:39:12] Yeah. I mean, we don't,
[00:39:13] Paul Scheer: I mean, we know, but the way we, you know, we don't know that everyone, I mean, I, I would argue that he should have maybe taken a beat.
[00:39:19] Jason Mantzoukas: I will say, if all of the kills had the true surprise of Jason punching that one kid's head off of his body.
[00:39:27] Paul Scheer: That was the best.
[00:39:29] Jason Mantzoukas: I was like, give, why hasn't this been happening all the time?
[00:39:33] June Diane Raphael: Okay. That I'm gonna add that as my third favorite part of the movie. What I, but what I loved about it, it was how long they spent, how long they spent with that other guy hitting him over and over hitting him, hitting over and over and over again. Exhausting himself.
[00:39:47] Jason Mantzoukas: He rope doped him, uh, hitting a plastic mask. Yeah, that's what's crazy. He's just punching.
[00:39:54] June Diane Raphael: Oh my god.
[00:39:54] Jason Mantzoukas: A hard plastic mask. It was amazing.
[00:39:58] June Diane Raphael: I laughed so hard. I wish he had just died from exhaustion.
[00:40:01] Paul Scheer: By the, the way that guy, the boxer, um, they, the girls are watching him from an above, from an above portal, a skylight into the gym, and these two dudes are kicking each other's asses.
[00:40:17] Like they're, it, it's not even like, um, sparring. It, it is. They're going for it. And at one point, uh.
[00:40:24] Jason Mantzoukas: At the on boat boxing gym.
[00:40:27] Paul Scheer: They're not even in a ring.
[00:40:28] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean, and again, this is an industrial New Jersey ferry. Why is there a boxing area and a sauna? What is this?
[00:40:36] Paul Scheer: Well, I mean, again, how like long are they there?
[00:40:39] June Diane Raphael: Well, first of all, the guy, the guys are describing, I don't remember who they're talking about, but as like so ripped and these like hunks, like look at those muscles and they cut to the guy. They're both, I'm sorry. Very slender.
[00:40:54] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:40:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. Careful June. I'm only saying this because it.
[00:40:58] Paul Scheer: Sorry.
[00:40:58] Jason Mantzoukas: This is, these are, these are 1989 ripped bodies.
[00:41:03] June Diane Raphael: Are they?
[00:41:03] Jason Mantzoukas: In 1989, you didn't get more ripped than this. You couldn't. Because just like the hair products, those muscles weren't invented until later.
[00:41:11] June Diane Raphael: And Yeah. Like.
[00:41:12] Paul Scheer: Wow.
[00:41:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Like they didn't have. Cum gutters didn't exist in the eighties.
[00:41:16] June Diane Raphael: No, I think you're right.
[00:41:17] Paul Scheer: Well, we love a cum gutter and you know.
[00:41:19] Jason Mantzoukas: We love them. We love them, but it's.
[00:41:21] June Diane Raphael: Wow, that's so interesting. 'cause I was like, why are they being described this way? Maybe you're right.
[00:41:26] Jason Mantzoukas: It's not, yeah. It's not really until later that you get those bodybuilder bodies in as cut up bodies. You know, the, I think these kids are the equivalent of ripped.
[00:41:38] Paul Scheer: Well, I, I think that, I mean, I guess, but I would argue that the one that they say is really ripped is the skinnier of the two.
[00:41:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, yeah.
[00:41:47] Paul Scheer: Is, you know, and, uh, you know, but look, he definitely has the skills. Um, and, you know, I wanna, I wanna really dive into New York when they finally get to New York.
[00:41:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh my God.
[00:41:57] Paul Scheer: Well, if you're, and there's two, well, there's one thing I do want to just see is that principal or whatever he is, is so agro to the son's captain when they're row boating to New York. Like, well, you're the son of a captain. It's like, he is,
[00:42:13] June Diane Raphael: Oh my God.
[00:42:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Like he never drops it.
[00:42:15] Paul Scheer: Never drops it.
[00:42:16] Jason Mantzoukas: He never drops that shitty attitude of I hate these kids. These kids are dumb. He's, there is no Jason Vorhees, shut up. Don't you ever say Jason Vorhees again. And then when confronted with Jason Vorhees, he is still never drops it. He can never, it, it, it so much so that he's sucking the joy out of.
[00:42:36] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. What's up with him?
[00:42:37] Jason Mantzoukas: You know what I mean? Like, if he had been killed earlier and it was just the kids and Jason, the movies and maybe the English teacher, uh, that's way more fun.
[00:42:45] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. And also, like, I wanted him to at least posit his theory. You don't think that's Jason who's doing?
[00:42:52] Jason Mantzoukas: He thinks it's the deckhand.
[00:42:54] Paul Scheer: Well, the deck end is pretty.
[00:42:55] Jason Mantzoukas: The the guy who's saying, the guy who's saying he's back, you're all gonna die. That. Yeah. Agreed.
[00:43:00] June Diane Raphael: Who's doing this? And also, I was really disturbed when there row boating to, you know, the Statue of Liberty. They seemed to been added all night. No one could take another shift.
[00:43:10] Paul Scheer: Well, I mean, I also, well, I wanna talk about why when they got to the Statue of Liberty, the, the boxer just starts singing a happy song. All of his friends are dead.
[00:43:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Every, they have all had the most trauma. They have, they share this whole thing that horror movies do, which is everybody has witnessed true atrocities and is kind of unfazed.
[00:43:30] Paul Scheer: And, and, uh, and that to me is one of the craziest moments. Like, I, I get it. Like you're excited to be in New York, but they gotta switch the tone big. Now we're in New York. They get to shoot in New York. They pull up on the weird dock town that looks like something that's out of like a London back alley or something.
[00:43:46] Jason Mantzoukas: No, you know what it is? It's where, um, it's where pretzels is.
[00:43:50] Paul Scheer: Oh yeah.
[00:43:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Sells his pretzels in New York.
[00:43:52] Paul Scheer: In Hercules.
[00:43:53] Jason Mantzoukas: In Hercules. Hercules in New York.
[00:43:55] June Diane Raphael: Oh, yes.
[00:43:55] Paul Scheer: Oh my God. Well, so he, they're in this place and immediately these two drug dealers, they uh, they take Renny and they're like, if you follow us, we'll kill you.
[00:44:04] And this is where the principal says to me, the dumbest line of the whole movie. He is like, okay, first of all, let's not follow them because he will kill her and let's split up. And I was like, to what end? You know, where she. You could follow. Like why are you split? There's no even reason to split. They don't know that Jason's around. They just know that they're good, that this, his goddaughter or whatever, or his niece has been kidnapped with very, uh, extreme consequences. And he is like, let's split up.
[00:44:32] Jason Mantzoukas: And not just let's split up, let's split up entirely. It's not even in, it's not even in groups.
[00:44:37] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:44:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Let's, let's individually.
[00:44:39] June Diane Raphael: No.
[00:44:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Prepare it. It is it, he, the, the guy, that guy.
[00:44:42] June Diane Raphael: Maddening.
[00:44:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Is an absolute moron and there are, there's so much blood on his hands, you know?
[00:44:48] Paul Scheer: I mean, well.
[00:44:49] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. Give me Jason.
[00:44:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:44:51] June Diane Raphael: Every day.
[00:44:51] Paul Scheer: I would love.
[00:44:52] June Diane Raphael: Over that guy.
[00:44:53] Paul Scheer: I would love in some world. There is like a court case. We make it like a, an uh, a legal drama like a Lincoln lawyer where you do have to put some of these people on trial. The people who survived. Wait, now you did what? Now, why would you do this?
[00:45:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:45:06] Paul Scheer: And you know, you could put Jason in a suit.
[00:45:08] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:45:08] Paul Scheer: Have him sitting at the table.
[00:45:10] June Diane Raphael: No, it, 'cause it ended up working for them at the very end. But I would like to ask the question of our, our two last survivors. Like you are, he's chasing you.
[00:45:19] You're on the subway. Yeah. You are scared. Yeah. Why go down into the subway, you know, tunnels? Why, why not go up?
[00:45:29] Paul Scheer: Stay in in populated areas.
[00:45:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Jump in a cab. Why not jump in a cab and drive? Tell them to drive as far as they can immediately. Like how is like they, they are unable to, I feel like. Maybe I'm wrong, but you know, earlier the idea of Jason rampaging around a summer camp makes sense. It feels pretty trapped. You feel, you feel trapped there with Jason. Right?
[00:45:52] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:45:53] Jason Mantzoukas: But what I can understand is you are in Manhattan. This is now millions and millions and millions of people in cars and distractions and places to hide and places to go, and you still can't avoid a slow moving goul? That's where I was like, why is he tied to this?
[00:46:10] June Diane Raphael: Yes, something's up with you. You gotta look. After, after a while, you gotta look inward.
[00:46:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. What did you do to disturb this?
[00:46:16] June Diane Raphael: You know? Yeah. Yes. I'm sorry. Yes.
[00:46:19] Paul Scheer: At the end of the day, the idea that, well, I guess we got him to New York City.
[00:46:23] June Diane Raphael: And why won't you learn how to swim?
[00:46:24] Paul Scheer: Well, maybe she does after the film.
[00:46:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. So here's my question. So do you think that Jason isn't trying to kill Renny? He just wants to play with her? Like he saw her swimming. When they were kids.
[00:46:38] Paul Scheer: They were, yeah.
[00:46:39] Jason Mantzoukas: They were little. They, they were swimming and he just want, he or he wants her to save him.
[00:46:44] Paul Scheer: The ghost of his child.
[00:46:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Does he wanna kill her or make, because, and I'm not saying this is what the movie is, but if there was, if the movie hinted that they had some connection in this childhood moment of almost her almost drowning and him having.
[00:46:58] June Diane Raphael: Because he is asking for her help.
[00:46:59] Jason Mantzoukas: So is that why he single-mindedly is chasing after her? Doesn't. No, but that would be more, that would be cooler, you know?
[00:47:08] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:47:09] Jason Mantzoukas: If there felt like she had to have some moment with him or some closure with him.
[00:47:13] Paul Scheer: We both don't swim, we're the same.
[00:47:15] June Diane Raphael: Right.
[00:47:16] Paul Scheer: And then, and then they hug. But no, what she does do is, uh. Is drowned him in acid, easily attained acid. And this is.
[00:47:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Like street side, street side acid that she chucks out of a bucket, which would mean her hands are covered in acid.
[00:47:33] Paul Scheer: Oh, okay.
[00:47:33] June Diane Raphael: So, because here's what I didn't understand. So the subway worker tells them like, Hey, the acid wash.
[00:47:39] Jason Mantzoukas: My God.
[00:47:39] June Diane Raphael: She's gonna happen.
[00:47:40] Paul Scheer: I get that acid acid wash ready to go.
[00:47:42] June Diane Raphael: You know, every night there's an acid wash and it happens. It's gonna be happening in 10 minutes. Like you're gonna wanna get outta here. Now, I couldn't believe that she threw acid before the acid wash.
[00:47:53] Paul Scheer: That that, that she didn't wait for the acid wash to happen.
[00:47:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:47:56] June Diane Raphael: That the movie didn't, that like we're, we're throwing acid on him before we're, we're delivering the promise of what we just set up. It was just so strange.
[00:48:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. There, it, it, it really, I struggled to make sense of it and, and I, all I wanted was more. Boy, I loved, did you see the, the Batman sign in in Times Square?
[00:48:17] Paul Scheer: Love that.
[00:48:18] June Diane Raphael: Oh, I didn't see that. I missed that.
[00:48:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Uh, there's a huge, underneath the clock, there's a huge Batman, the movie sign. That's cool. Like the, all those shots of 1980, late eighties Times Square in New York. I just, I loved so much and I was like, oh, I wish this movie had taken place in Manhattan and had Manhattan had had brought us all over the island. Wouldn't that have been cool?
[00:48:39] June Diane Raphael: Do you think they just realized? Well, by the way, just my fourth favorite moment was when they ran into the diner screaming like, there's a man of hockey mass. He's trying to kill us. And that waitress who was so perfect said, welcome to New York. Or whatever her line was. But I, I. I, I guess I have to, I don't know what's true Paul, and I'm sure you'll tell us, but I assume they did write a script called Jason Takes Manhattan, realized they couldn't afford to shoot in Manhattan and do all that exterior stuff, and then just placed it on a fishing boat.
[00:49:12] Paul Scheer: Well, he, he wrote a movie, uh, set in New York that was gonna have scenes in Madison Square Garden, the Brooklyn Bridge of Statue Liberty, the Empire State Building. But, uh, the film only had a budget of 5 million.
[00:49:21] June Diane Raphael: What happened?
[00:49:21] Paul Scheer: And they said, well, Paramount's, like, there's not enough money to shoot this in New York City. So they had to rewrite the film and spend more time on the cruise ship. And actually, most of the scenes.
[00:49:31] June Diane Raphael: They can't say more time on the cruise ship. Like the entire movie is on the cruise ship.
[00:49:36] Jason Mantzoukas: You guys keep saying cruise ship. And it is not, it's not.
[00:49:39] June Diane Raphael: We've called it so many different things.
[00:49:41] Paul Scheer: They wanted it to be a cruise ship. It's not.
[00:49:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Of course.
[00:49:43] June Diane Raphael: The exterior is a ferry. The interior is is a, a carnival.
[00:49:46] Paul Scheer: And so here's what I'll say, uh, that, that even the scene shot in New York were filmed in Vancouver. So, uh, only like only that one day where they clearly had the opening and closing in Times Square and some, you know, and some subway shots. 'cause even the subway shots aren't New York. Here's what I'll say and I, because we were talking about what we love about Jason and we do love Jason and I wanna call out Kane Hodder.
[00:50:10] 'Cause, uh, June, I think you're a fantastic actress, Jason. I think you're a fantastic actor. I, uh, we were just watching your Finding Dory episode last night of Brooklyn Nine Nine.
[00:50:19] June Diane Raphael: Oh, we were laughing.
[00:50:19] Paul Scheer: So funny.
[00:50:20] June Diane Raphael: Laughing so hard, Jason, we were laughing.
[00:50:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, nice. Oh, that's great.
[00:50:24] June Diane Raphael: What, what a performance. Oh my gosh.
[00:50:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, can I tell you something?
[00:50:28] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:50:29] Jason Mantzoukas: I'm gonna tell you something both, uh, uh, about that episode because it pertains to this podcast. So there's the scene in that episode of Brooklyn Nine Nine, where I am, Jake finds me in the hospital and I'm covered in tattoos that I've put on myself. Like Memento.
[00:50:43] June Diane Raphael: Of course.
[00:50:44] Jason Mantzoukas: One of the tattoos.
[00:50:45] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. Buy toilet paper.
[00:50:46] Jason Mantzoukas: One of the tattoos that I had them make and put on my body. But you simply do not see it. Camera didn't pick it up because it was like right down here on my kind of lower trunk was in large letters. Team Fred.
[00:50:59] Paul Scheer: Oh wow.
[00:51:01] June Diane Raphael: Oh my God.
[00:51:02] Jason Mantzoukas: I made them put, and they were like, what is it again?
[00:51:04] And I was like, just put the words Team Fred.
[00:51:07] Paul Scheer: Wow.
[00:51:08] Jason Mantzoukas: And I was,
[00:51:09] June Diane Raphael: Oh my God.
[00:51:09] Jason Mantzoukas: And I was so excited because I thought I'd placed it well enough, right. That it wouldn't be screaming.
[00:51:16] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. You didn't see it.
[00:51:16] Jason Mantzoukas: But it would be there for people to find and,
[00:51:19] Paul Scheer: Oh, I love.
[00:51:19] Jason Mantzoukas: And, and enjoy, but it just, it just never caught it right.
[00:51:24] Paul Scheer: Mm.
[00:51:24] Jason Mantzoukas: And I was heartbroken. I was like, oh, I wish I'd just moved it a little more.
[00:51:27] Paul Scheer: Oh my God. I would've loved that.
[00:51:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:51:30] June Diane Raphael: Oh, that's a bummer. That's a bummer. Well, I'm, I'm excited to know that trivia though, and for anyone who hasn't seen that episode, maybe I haven't seen Brooklyn Nine Nine, but just go watch that episode. Jason is, is, it's truly.
[00:51:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, thank you.
[00:51:41] June Diane Raphael: Just an unbelievable performance.
[00:51:42] Paul Scheer: Thrilled to have you back on the shows where we're getting through it. But this is what I wanted to say. You both are great actors, right? You, but I, uh, but I'm gonna say this.
[00:51:51] June Diane Raphael: Thanks Paul.
[00:51:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Thank you, Paul. You as well.
[00:51:52] Paul Scheer: Thank you. But you're not, and neither am I as good as Kane Hodder who vomited on cue in that final scene.
[00:52:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Whoa.
[00:52:03] Paul Scheer: Figured out how much water that he needed to drink to vomit. He had to drink several pitchers of water. Not a special effect.
[00:52:11] Jason Mantzoukas: For it to be like, right.
[00:52:12] Paul Scheer: Vomit on cue. Now that is what we've talked.
[00:52:16] Jason Mantzoukas: I bet I could do it.
[00:52:19] June Diane Raphael: I'm sure you could, but again, back to water safety. I don't think it's safe.
[00:52:23] Jason Mantzoukas: It'd be hard. I bet I, if that's the methodology just overload your system so it's right there, ready to go. I bet I could do it.
[00:52:30] Paul Scheer: You know, I, I saw David Blaine do that on stage where he, uh, you know, he, he spits up a goldfish and stuff like that and he gets it in and gets it out. Uh, it's pretty, uh, pretty interesting.
[00:52:39] Jason Mantzoukas: But I don't think I'd like that part of it.
[00:52:41] Paul Scheer: Uh, yeah. The goldfish is alive. Um, now.
[00:52:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, I definitely wouldn't like that.
[00:52:46] Paul Scheer: But this is the moment they do a lot of mask off work. Now Jason, you asked earlier in the episode when he was wearing the hood or like the, the burlap sack. Uh, did he have eye, he had one eye hole. So, uh, so his face is always a little bit of a question mark.
[00:53:00] Jason Mantzoukas: I'm now realizing, I don't think I've seen any of these movies except for the ones we've watched in the past. 'cause that's not familiar to me at all. I thought he always wore the hockey mask.
[00:53:07] Paul Scheer: That same thing.
[00:53:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Got it.
[00:53:08] Paul Scheer: And so when, when he, when he picks up the mask to show the, the kids, I mean, that's a joke, right? The kids are like, Hey man, gimme your money. And he is like, look at this face. They're like, whoa. Hey man, that's cool. Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa.
[00:53:19] Jason Mantzoukas: I did love in that moment when he is walking along and he just absolutely kicks the shit out of their boombox that is playing like punk music or whatever. Yeah. I love the idea that 1989 street punks like, uh, shaved head, skinhead punks are hanging out in Times Square. It was really funny. I loved it.
[00:53:41] Paul Scheer: It killed me. Now I will say that this whole ending where his mask is off is really like, it. It really, and I don't wanna be a person who judges book by a cover, but it lessens his power for me. He looks.
[00:53:55] Jason Mantzoukas: So this is the first time that that really is the case.
[00:53:58] Paul Scheer: I think that we're really living in a world where like he's got like a, he's got a Muppet face.
[00:54:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:54:02] Paul Scheer: Like he looks like a Muppet. He is not scary with mask off, in my opinion.
[00:54:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Do you think that that is just the movie's effort to, to really drive home that connection between the two of them, that this is that boy?
[00:54:15] Paul Scheer: I guess I think that what they really wanted to do was, I think the intention was they wanted to get him back to being a kid in the next movie. So I think that they were gonna switch spirits, uh, like or something like that.
[00:54:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow. Really?
[00:54:29] Paul Scheer: Yeah. So, uh, but the movie was, uh, it was such a financial, uh, bomb that they, uh, they were never able to kind of do that.
[00:54:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow. Hmm. Okay.
[00:54:38] Paul Scheer: Yeah. I, I think, uh, I think that that's what I read there. It was like some idea that there was,
[00:54:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Sure, sure.
[00:54:44] Paul Scheer: The kid is taking over again. But yeah, so when he is that, that little face and all that acid, I found the end, uh, to be. Like sad and comical. Like I'd rather you just like.
[00:54:56] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, I hear you.
[00:54:57] Paul Scheer: Bash him in the head with that mask on. But once his face is out and he's like, he looks like a little cute. He looks like a little goey from that movie. Like, yeah, he looked too cute. He looked too cute.
[00:55:07] June Diane Raphael: Yes. I understand.
[00:55:08] Paul Scheer: You can't kill this little cutie.
[00:55:09] June Diane Raphael: I understand Paul.
[00:55:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, he does, he does become humanized. Absolutely. You know?
[00:55:15] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. I think you're right.
[00:55:15] Jason Mantzoukas: As well as the little boy flashbacks that that Renny is having also humanizes him in a way. And, and there's a, again, yes, there's a way in which I feel like with a Jason, with a Freddy, that I want to feel as though they're righting some wrong, you know?
[00:55:31] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:55:31] Jason Mantzoukas: They are, they are creatures of vengeance or, or retribution or something like that. And with Freddy, that always seems clear, but with Jason, I, oh, and Michael Myers. I guess I'm not quite sure the why, you know?
[00:55:44] Paul Scheer: Well, it, it seems like at this point, I, I guess the, the lore would be that he protects Camp Crystal Lake. That would be the.
[00:55:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Does he? From? From what? Like hand jobs?
[00:55:56] Paul Scheer: I mean, by the way, that couple, we didn't even talk about that. They are making out. She is naked and he is like, oh, hold on, let me drop the anchor. It's like, now, now drop the anchor? Why don't you drop the anchor before you're doing any of this stuff? It didn't look like it just happened.
[00:56:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Well then he also then returns. He has brought a collapsible prop knife and a Jason Voorhees hockey mask on the boat.
[00:56:20] Paul Scheer: Well, I mean, this is why I tell you, don't trust boat people. You know, this is why I don't trust them.
[00:56:23] June Diane Raphael: Well, that, that was what was hard of at the beginning of the movie too. Cause it's just like, gosh, like us girls have to be scared of the bad guys, but we all said,
[00:56:32] Paul Scheer: Wow.
[00:56:32] June Diane Raphael: Scared of the good guys. Like, and, and that was pretty depressing.
[00:56:36] Jason Mantzoukas: I think that, I think, yeah. I think this movie is, is, is really gonna wake a lot of people up. You just need to be scared of the guys.
[00:56:42] June Diane Raphael: Exactly.
[00:56:44] Jason Mantzoukas: You know?
[00:56:44] Paul Scheer: Just, yeah. Just every guy in this movie is not, except for the boxer is pretty much making bad decisions throughout the entire, and again, and the cameraman, well, the cameraman did kill something.
[00:56:53] Jason Mantzoukas: The cameraman's a little sketchy. But I will say I feel like the captain's son Rennie's, uh, love interest. He seemed to be like, he seemed to be a top-notch kid, I felt like.
[00:57:02] Paul Scheer: Oh yeah.
[00:57:04] June Diane Raphael: What kind of, what kind of shockumentary was the camera guy trying to get there?
[00:57:06] Paul Scheer: I mean, he's putting together a reality shockumentary?
[00:57:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, I hope that, I wish that they would've released that as like extra features is like his. That's a found footage movie. Oh. Friday the 13th found footage?
[00:57:20] June Diane Raphael: Oh, that would be great.
[00:57:20] Paul Scheer: Oh, Jason put this in the list of the other We had, we had another great movie. Oh, we, we found out Marlon Wayne's already did that.
[00:57:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, oh yeah.
[00:57:26] Paul Scheer: We, yes, we've come up with some good horror movies here on the, the show.
[00:57:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. And my, my pitch June was what if everybody's lawn Halloween decorations came to life and started attacking the neighborhood?
[00:57:38] June Diane Raphael: Well that's really like, relevant to us right now. 'Cause we have a brand new lawn decoration just this year.
[00:57:44] Jason Mantzoukas: That is what precipitate, that's one of the
[00:57:46] Paul Scheer: Yeah, the 12 foot.
[00:57:46] Jason Mantzoukas: That's seeded the, uh, precipitated.
[00:57:49] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:57:49] Paul Scheer: And this is what you're missing out on Last looks. If you're not listening to last looks, Jason and I are getting, we're, we're pitching franchises here.
[00:57:54] June Diane Raphael: That's a great idea.
[00:57:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Right? It's Marlon Wayne's already did it.
[00:57:59] Paul Scheer: And Rob Riggle and Rob riggle is in it.
[00:58:02] Jason Mantzoukas: That's what we found out. We went through this whole arc where we discovered this. I had, I had this great idea. We started talking about blah, blah, blah, and then in the chat it was like, boop, here it is. And boop. And then Paul was like, wait, I think Riggle is in this.
[00:58:14] Paul Scheer: It was a real shock. Um, I'll also just say that. The opening kill, uh, of that girl who's like waiting underneath the, uh, uh, why did she go in?
[00:58:25] June Diane Raphael: Why did she go in there?
[00:58:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Why not jump off the boat?
[00:58:26] June Diane Raphael: She not swim, jump off the boat and fucking swim. Did they see the land?
[00:58:30] Paul Scheer: Nobody moves in this movie. They all commit to their death very quickly. And I, and.
[00:58:34] June Diane Raphael: And that's what's interesting. All the women do. The men kind of have at least a moment of trying to fight, but the women all stand there or crouch more likely
[00:58:43] Jason Mantzoukas: And wait.
[00:58:44] June Diane Raphael: Crouch.
[00:58:44] Jason Mantzoukas: And just wait.
[00:58:45] June Diane Raphael: And then yes, and wait, wait and scream and look. Oftentimes make, honestly, heavy eye contact.
[00:58:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Oftentimes they don't even scream really?
[00:58:52] Paul Scheer: No.
[00:58:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Like there was a bunch of silent deaths.
[00:58:54] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. They just silently accept their fate.
[00:58:57] Paul Scheer: I think that the, the first.
[00:58:58] June Diane Raphael: It's really dark.
[00:58:58] Paul Scheer: I think the first guy who dies is. The reason why he takes such a long time is he's looking at what's in Jason's hand. He's like, is that from me or is that just tubing? Because I don't think.
[00:59:07] Jason Mantzoukas: That's the tubing.
[00:59:08] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Yeah. He's like.
[00:59:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Although it does, it looks like intestines are stuck on the end of it.
[00:59:11] Paul Scheer: Like, it's like, what is, yeah, it, it was so odd. Um, obviously we had opinions about this movie. There are people out there with a different opinion and people that I'm sure are gonna be mad at us about having these opinions.
[00:59:21] Jason Mantzoukas: We don't need to hear from you.
[00:59:23] Paul Scheer: It is now time for second opinions.
[00:59:34] Music: [Second Opinions Song]
[00:59:51] Paul Scheer: Thank you, John LaJoie Okay, so, uh, Friday the 13th, part eight has a 4.7 out of five stars. That's the average review on Amazon. That's 564 total reviews. 83% of them are five stars. Let's get into it. James writes,
[01:00:11] "This is the Titanic version of Friday the 13th. They get stuck out in the middle of the sea with Jason on board, and then he goes on a killing spree. Buy this movie. You won't regret it. Five stars."
[01:00:24] Right? We get it right. Easy, easy to go. And then it goes to Movie Man Kev, who writes,
[01:00:29] "Not only is this a great addition to the series, it also perfectly encapsulates my mood when visiting New York City."
[01:00:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Which is what, what, what, what is that?
[01:00:39] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. Yeah.
[01:00:40] Paul Scheer: Movie, uh, wanting to kill everybody? Uh, Movie Man Kev, that could be used in evidence. And he wrote that in 2019. So this is not an old review. Uh, Lauren B. Floss writes,
[01:00:51] "This movie is different from the other Friday the 13th movies. This is brand new. Jason spends most of the movie on a boat, so it's not as bad as it might sound. If you're tired of the old Friday, the 13th movies, then get this. You'll love it."
[01:01:05] So she just likes location difference. Like she's tired of cabins.
[01:01:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[01:01:10] Paul Scheer: And Woods. I get that. Now this is the, the final one that I wanna read from Nick. Um, I know a lot of people, and this is all written in Ka, I won't read it like that.
[01:01:19] "I know a lot of people seem to hate this film and say it's one of the worst in this series, but I have always enjoyed it. Sure. There's only two scenes or so in New York and the majority of the movie takes place on a cruise ship. But I think that a movie is very good. The ending is king of weird, but this is a movie that you can just sit down and enjoy for what it is. And I have to say I love the shot at Times Square with the music towards the end, with the Times Square lit up, it makes me feel good. So happy to have this movie in my collection."
[01:01:50] So this person just likes a b-roll footage of.
[01:01:53] Jason Mantzoukas: By the way. I agree with that. I, I have, I wrote it multiple times that I loved all these shots of old New York. I was very nostalgic.
[01:02:02] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Like, come on, let's do it. Uh, I do wanna carve, uh, for Halloween our pumpkin, like Jason, like a Jason Jack of Lantern.
[01:02:08] And I think that that we can maybe get that, uh.
[01:02:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Ooh, that'd be cool.
[01:02:10] Paul Scheer: That's a kind of a fun thing we should do. Uh, like I said, we are coming to New York this November. Jason and I will also be in DC and Boston. Uh, How Did This Get Made. We'll be in New York and Philly. Uh, check us out. Go to HDTGM.com.
[01:02:25] We have amazing guest at Dinosaur Improv, uh, from Edie Patterson and Danielle Schneider and Mary Holland and Rob Huebel. It's going to be an awesome time and uh, and when we go to Philly, we were talking about maybe even bringing the Bad Boys back. Maybe we bring a Bad Boys back to Philly. We will see, we will see.
[01:02:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Bad Boys.
[01:02:41] Paul Scheer: Uh, Bad Boys, Bad Boys. What are you gonna do?
[01:02:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Uh, oh boy. They're probably gonna do the wobble if I know.
[01:02:47] Paul Scheer: I, I would hope we gotta have the wobble one more time. Uh, Jason, June, anything you want to talk about, promote things?
[01:02:54] June Diane Raphael: Well, yeah, I guess Weapons is now on DVD, so if you haven't seen it yet, I, I think it's a great movie to watch anytime, but especially during spooky season.
[01:03:04] Paul Scheer: Yeah, great movie, really fun.
[01:03:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Incredible. Um, I am gonna, I'm gonna shout it. Listen, if you're listening to this and you've got a little kid at home, why not pack 'em up and bring him to Gabby's Dollhouse?
[01:03:14] Paul Scheer: Oh my gosh. People have been tweeting, uh, at this all weekend. Yeah.
[01:03:18] Jason Mantzoukas: I am in the movie Gabby's Dollhouse. I voice a stuffed animal, uh, a little bear, uh, very cute named Chumley, who is a villain.
[01:03:26] June Diane Raphael: That's fun.
[01:03:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, so go into, bring your kids to, uh, Gabby's Dollhouse. Inexplicably, uh, somehow, uh, here I am 20 years into this career, and this is without a doubt the best reviewed movie I've ever been in. It is, was, it was number two at the box office this weekend. The most successful movie I've ever made.
[01:03:46] Paul Scheer: Well, Jason, I will tell you that apparently at AMC theaters, they are selling a key chain with your character on it. So, uh, people said you are represented, uh, very well.
[01:03:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Cool.
[01:03:56] Paul Scheer: Send you a picture of it.
[01:03:56] Jason Mantzoukas: That's cool.
[01:03:56] Paul Scheer: Yeah. That people are very excited, uh, that you were in Gabby's Dollhouse.
[01:04:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, I love it. Anyway, I've been hearing from lots of, uh, friends who have little kids who are like, dude, this was crazy.
[01:04:06] Paul Scheer: That is amazing.
[01:04:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Uh, very funny. So, uh, check out that and, uh, uh, and that's about it.
[01:04:11] Paul Scheer: And you can also check out, uh, my Substack, it's free. Uh, just go to substack.com. I guess. Anyway, uh, a big thank you to everybody who makes this show possible. Uh, shout out to our super producer Scott Sonne, who is filling in for Avaryl Halley while she is on leave.
[01:04:29] And all the reports that we are getting about Avaryl is that she is getting better by the day. So keep on sending that love to Avaryl. Uh, also a shout out to our other producer, Molly Reynolds. If you have an issue with this movie, you wanna give us a shout out, you wanna talk about this a little bit more, give us a call, head to the Discord and we will break it all down on Last Looks, but don't tell us that we got the mythology wrong. We don't wanna get involved in any of that garbage. Uh, maybe we'll have a shirt. Maybe we'll have a shirt as good as the Geek Squad shirt. We don't know. We'll figure it out later on. I also wanna give a shout out to our engineer, Casey Holford.
[01:05:03] And remember, give me a call at 6-1-9 A-S-K-P-A-U-L at 619-PAULASK uh, to leave all your comments about Jason Takes Manhattan. We'll see you next time. Bye for now.
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