Lisa Gilroy (The Studio, Twisted Metal) joins Paul and Jason to break down the 1988 James Spader thriller Jack's Back—a movie that surprisingly is not about Jack the Ripper's return. They discuss how to tell if twins have the same fingerprints, Rick's job at the Second Sole shoe store, how awful all the cops are, if Jack killed Spader Prime in self-dense, and so much more. Plus, Paul spots a My Buddy doll which leads to Lisa recalling her own unique childhood doll experience. And the one and only June Diane Raphael pops in with her best guess as to what this movie is about.
Lisa Gilroy (The Studio, Twisted Metal) joins Paul and Jason to break down the 1988 James Spader thriller Jack's Back—a movie that surprisingly is not about Jack the Ripper's return. They discuss how to tell if twins have the same fingerprints, Rick's job at the Second Sole shoe store, how awful all the cops are, if Jack killed Spader Prime in self-dense, and so much more. Plus, Paul spots a My Buddy doll which leads to Lisa recalling her own unique childhood doll experience. And the one and only June Diane Raphael pops in with her best guess as to what this movie is about.
[00:00:00] Paul Scheer: Tonight's show is sponsored by New Balance, the sneakers of serial killers. We saw Jack's Back, so you know what that means.
[00:00:14] Music: [Intro Song]
[00:00:41] Paul Scheer: Hello people of Earth! And hello people of Los Angeles!
[00:01:09] We are live at Largo for a very special How Did This Get Made. It's Paul, it's Jason and our very special guest tonight talking about a movie that came out in 1988 called Jack's Back. And by the title you would think this is a movie that has to do with Jack the Ripper. Or Jack the Ripper coming back or time travel or just a bunch of people getting murdered?
[00:01:44] No, none of that. It's about a brother who has like a time life book connection to his other brother and thinks something is up. IMDB says,
[00:01:58] "A serial killer in Los Angeles celebrates Jack the Ripper's hundredth birthday by committing similar murders."
[00:02:03] Yeah, I guess that's like the season, that's like the Rose Krants and Giler version of this movie. It's happening in a different part of it. Um, the, the tagline of this movie,
[00:02:17] "100 years ago in the city of London, in the East End slum of White Chapel, a man shocked the world by murdering, raping, and mutilating five women. He was never caught."
[00:02:31] That's the tagline of this movie, this movie that takes place in a time in LA where La Bamba is playing at the movie theater.
[00:02:42] I know that because they drive by it. That line was all about white chapel and the Yeah, he was never caught. And we're not gonna get any further into that mystery in this film at all. But man, oh man, we do get double Spader. Um, to break it down for you tonight, we are gonna have some great guests and our first. Not even guest, but co-host is Jason Mantzoukas!
[00:03:18] Jason Mantzoukas: What's up, jerks? Let's go. Let's go Largo. Okay. Okay. Okay. We gotta talk about Spader all night. This one. Wow. Wow. Front to back, top to bottom.
[00:03:34] Paul Scheer: T to B.
[00:03:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Vibes, baby. I was on board for whatever. We don't have Spader anymore. We don't have Spader. I mean, we've got literal Spader, but.
[00:03:44] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:03:45] Jason Mantzoukas: We don't have anybody that's doing whatever this is.
[00:03:50] Paul Scheer: It's. This is a tone poem. It's weird.
[00:03:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, it is It, yes. I If by what a mistake that he never worked with Terrence Malick. Wouldn't that have been fascinating.
[00:04:02] Paul Scheer: I would've, I mean, I may, I don't know if Terrance Malick could handle it. Here's what I will say, um, that this movie was directed and written by Rowdy Harrington.
[00:04:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:04:11] Paul Scheer: Who went on after this movie to direct Roadhouse.
[00:04:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:04:14] Paul Scheer: The producer, Joel Silver.
[00:04:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Rowdy.
[00:04:16] Paul Scheer: Rowdy. Yeah. Rowdy, uh, saw this and was like, I got the guy. I got the guy. Which is odd because.
[00:04:24] Jason Mantzoukas: I couldn't make heads or tails out of it, and I loved it. I don't.
[00:04:29] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:04:30] Jason Mantzoukas: What a, what a magic trick. What a magic trick this movie pulled off a movie in which every single character appeared to be guilty of something. Everybody is like, wait a minute. Like everybody acted like they were the killer.
[00:04:47] Paul Scheer: It, it is a movie that's so confused in so many ways. We're gonna break it all down. But tonight, uh, sitting in the June chair, we have a very special guest. You know her from shows like Jury Duty, Interior Chinatown.
[00:05:00] Jason Mantzoukas: The Studio.
[00:05:01] Paul Scheer: The Studio. She just won on Dropouts Game Changer and hosted After Midnight. Please welcome Lisa Gilroy.
[00:05:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:05:18] Paul Scheer: Yes. Welcome. Welcome, Lisa.
[00:05:22] Lisa Gilroy: I don't need a big jock to hang me. I can hang myself.
[00:05:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh my God.
[00:05:28] Paul Scheer: You know, this is your first time here on the show and we give you Jack's Back. What's your, like before you watched it, do you have any, any?
[00:05:37] Lisa Gilroy: I thought it was gonna be a Jack Black movie.
[00:05:41] Paul Scheer: I would like Jack Black to remake it. It would be great. I mean, I, I was really interested in this because this is a movie that, growing up I remember seeing this cover box. I remember seeing this, like, I've seen this and I never, never took it out. But I thought from the cover it was like a Jack, I did think it was a Jack the Ripper thing. I just thought like, oh, James Spader is Jack the Ripper. Okay, I'm in.
[00:06:02] Jason Mantzoukas: And it really wants you to believe that.
[00:06:04] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:06:05] Jason Mantzoukas: For, for like a second.
[00:06:07] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:06:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Because this movie isn't really even about those murders. Neither.
[00:06:12] Paul Scheer: Not at all.
[00:06:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Not neither. The murder. It's not even about, it's not even about exactly. It's not even about Sidney's murders. The spoiler alert, the the boss Sidney.
[00:06:22] Paul Scheer: Yep. The big twist at the end. Now when you Google this movie, people are like, and the twist will blow your mind.
[00:06:29] Jason Mantzoukas: It really, you know why?
[00:06:30] Paul Scheer: Like he's the only person left at a certain point.
[00:06:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:06:33] Lisa Gilroy: And he's also the only person that would ever sing Start Spreading the news or, or, or the other old man song. But like he, I don't see James, James Spader can't even speak above a whisper. You think he's gonna sing like that in the shower? It was never him.
[00:06:48] Paul Scheer: I thought it would be like his flip personality had a great like, uh, Frank Sinatra voice. Um.
[00:06:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Can I say something?
[00:06:53] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:06:54] Jason Mantzoukas: And I mean this with all, with all sincerity. I did not realize until I, 'cause I wrote it down, I think minute 46, that he was now playing his twin brother.
[00:07:05] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:07:07] Jason Mantzoukas: I had a tremendous amount of problems understanding double Spader. It took me a minute to be like, Doc Spader wears a baseball hat.
[00:07:18] Paul Scheer: Yep.
[00:07:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Bad boy Spader wears a sleeveless v-neck T-shirt.
[00:07:22] Paul Scheer: And I believe, I believe an earring. I almost got caught in the switch as well because I was like, oh, he just dreamt that he tried to stop the murder and was killed. And then I was like, it went on.
[00:07:35] Lisa Gilroy: Why did you think that? 'Cause the murder happened right outside his bedroom window?
[00:07:37] Paul Scheer: Oh yes.
[00:07:38] Jason Mantzoukas: So we're to believe, we're to believe that that, that James Spader, the bad boy.
[00:07:45] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:07:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Has moved back to Los Angeles, having not talked to his brother for two years and moves across the park for where his brother works?
[00:07:54] Paul Scheer: Well, wasn't even where his brother wasn't it? Wasn't it like a gym? Because I feel like he got killed in an auditorium.
[00:08:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait. James Spader?
[00:08:02] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:08:02] Jason Mantzoukas: He got, no, he got killed at the clinic.
[00:08:05] Lisa Gilroy: Where the, which was also a church. You, you guys are so fucking stupid.
[00:08:11] Paul Scheer: There was a lot of like, I am also confused. This movie, first of all.
[00:08:15] Jason Mantzoukas: One of the nurses at one point says, we're so busy, I can't right now. They are dead. There's not a single person there. And it's the same six people who are in the bar later who are just like.
[00:08:29] Paul Scheer: I, this is what was confusing me for a long time. I was like. Is he a cop or is he a doctor? Uh, because.
[00:08:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, Spader Prime?
[00:08:38] Paul Scheer: Spader Prime. Because this Spader Prime, this is his doctor's office.
[00:08:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:08:44] Paul Scheer: I've never seen doctors have their own desks set up like a police precinct.
[00:08:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. Yes. And this office place has a bullpen.
[00:08:51] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:08:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Where all of the doctors sit. And it's in like a craftsman house in Eagle Rock.
[00:08:57] I don't know what's going on at all in this movie, but I love it. I wanna live in this movie. Her glasses are everything.
[00:09:08] Paul Scheer: This opening scene got me confused because I'm like, he is a doctor, I believe, but he's being chewed out like he's in a police.
[00:09:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:09:17] Paul Scheer: Movie. And this is the scene here, just to get a taste of it.
[00:09:19] Movie Audio: Sit down.
[00:09:22] Lisa Gilroy: Sit down, Crachet. You won't be getting paid on Christmas.
[00:09:28] Paul Scheer: By the way, was this shot during a nuclear apocalypse?
[00:09:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:09:32] Paul Scheer: The, the orange hue burning through the city's on fire. Oh. Like is he under like a, like a, like a fried chicken place sign?
[00:09:43] Jason Mantzoukas: What? That would be amazing if you looked out the window and is just Arby's.
[00:09:48] I feel like Tony Scott saw this. It was like, hang on, I can do this.
[00:09:56] Movie Audio: We got a lot of goddamn nerve, you know that.
[00:09:59] Jason Mantzoukas: Can you pause already? Here's the thing. Here's the thing. This movie's pace is, I don't even know how to describe it other than Lugubrious. And Spader is setting the pace. It's as if the movie happens in real time and that real time is slow, baby.
[00:10:21] Paul Scheer: I, I wrote down this movie, took a Valium.
[00:10:23] Lisa Gilroy: Yes.
[00:10:24] Paul Scheer: Like the, like whatever the, whatever it is. Like, we're just like, hey, no rush.
[00:10:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Which is why, which is why when they're driving around LA in that vintage BMW, I'm like, fuck, this feels great.
[00:10:38] Paul Scheer: So here's the, the police at this point, again, I am not quite sure who this is. I know he is a doctor, but I'm.
[00:10:43] Lisa Gilroy: He's a man who thinks he's in a Christmas Carol. He, he's, he's been given makeup to make his eyes like black underneath. And he is so committed with doing every acting like, Ooh, I'm mad at you.
[00:10:55] Paul Scheer: Well, I guess he was telegraphing. He's the bad guy. And it did a good job. I didn't get it.
[00:10:59] Movie Audio: We are here just because of people out there call you a doctor, doesn't make you one. You're still in medical school and you're working here under my supervision and approval. One more stunt like you pulled today, and I'll have your ass bounce out of here so fast. It'll make your head swim. Do you understand me?
[00:11:16] Paul Scheer: By the way, he's chewing him out for, there's a woman bleeding in the lobby. He goes and like, puts a bandaid on her face.
[00:11:23] Jason Mantzoukas: And he is late for work because he's promoting bringing healthcare to like unhoused, uh, people. Right? It's even dumber than that. Like he's participating in something.
[00:11:34] Paul Scheer: He, he seems to be going on the news to spread the word that there are homeless people.
[00:11:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, okay.
[00:11:39] Paul Scheer: Like, he's like, it's not like, and you'll never believe it. Some of these people don't have houses. Yeah. And the news person's like, what? And he's like, yeah. And they're all different communities. That's the other thing too. They're all different communities. It looks like about a 17 by five foot area. And then when he, when it airs on TV and he tells people there are homeless people in Los Angeles, he gets an applause break.
[00:12:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:12:02] Paul Scheer: From the fellow doctors. Like, oh, finally.
[00:12:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah. Well, he like, is a Spader Prime. I think part of what's hard about it is. Even this version of Spader.
[00:12:13] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:12:13] Jason Mantzoukas: The, the, the doctor, the hero, the the person.
[00:12:16] Paul Scheer: Chicago Cubs fan, who is an LA native.
[00:12:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Inexplicable.
[00:12:22] Paul Scheer: Why doesn't he wear a fucking Dodgers hat? It's so easy.
[00:12:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah. I'm assuming.
[00:12:27] Paul Scheer: He's not from Chicago.
[00:12:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Is Spader?
[00:12:30] Paul Scheer: I don't know. But he's, but it's cl clearly that he's like, they say, I grew up just a little.
[00:12:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah.
[00:12:36] Paul Scheer: He says these words, the fucking Dodgers hat.
[00:12:38] Jason Mantzoukas: And his twin brother is in all of LA's most deadly gangs.
[00:12:43] Lisa Gilroy: Oh yeah.
[00:12:44] Jason Mantzoukas: But this spader, what's still crazy is like even in these scenes. I don't trust this guy. And he's the good guy. He's the good one who gets killed. And I'm like, I don't know. Spader makes me feel like this guy's a creep.
[00:12:58] Lisa Gilroy: He's making you feel something, right?
[00:13:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah. Always, always. And that was my question for you, a younger person, what is your relationship to James Spader? Because boy is he a bedrock element of my teenage years.
[00:13:11] Paul Scheer: And just to the audience says, you are a tween, right?
[00:13:14] Lisa Gilroy: Yes, yes. I'm so, so I kind of grew up on like Paw Patrol and Peppa and stuff like that.
[00:13:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Sure. So I, I would love it if Spader was on Paw Patrol.
[00:13:22] Lisa Gilroy: But I remember my dad showing me Spader on The Office.
[00:13:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh.
[00:13:28] Paul Scheer: Oh.
[00:13:28] Lisa Gilroy: I'm kidding. I saw Spader on the office as Robert California.
[00:13:32] Paul Scheer: It sounded real enough. It sounded real. I was like, oh, okay. I really.
[00:13:35] Lisa Gilroy: You guys felt fearful. I could feel it. Um, remember when he was Robert California?
[00:13:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:13:40] Paul Scheer: Oh yeah. Right, right.
[00:13:41] Lisa Gilroy: So that's where I know him from. So I was like, oh, now he's Rippert california.
[00:13:47] Paul Scheer: He's got, he, he to me is like eighties youth actor. Like, I mean, there's.
[00:13:51] Lisa Gilroy: How old is he here?
[00:13:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, he's gotta be 26. How old is he?
[00:13:56] Paul Scheer: I would even say younger than.
[00:13:57] Lisa Gilroy: Well, it's crazy how soft is lips look.
[00:14:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, he is, he's the ultimate bad boy pretty boy of the eighties.
[00:14:07] Lisa Gilroy: And he talk so quiet.
[00:14:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes, it's, that's what I'm saying. We don't do this anymore.
[00:14:11] Lisa Gilroy: But that's what I kind of felt like, I know you were saying it felt that the movie felt Li la Lagu.
[00:14:19] Jason Mantzoukas: This, this, I mean, again, this movie participates in one of my favorite eighties tropes, which is psychiatrist. You can't trust him. Mental health professionals, probably quacks. Yeah. And then, and then he is got, he lives with his mother and he's like, I'll shoot you motherfucker. I'm like, what are we doing?
[00:14:42] Paul Scheer: I mean, there are some funny moments in this movie. In the very beginning, the cops are talking about this killer, the Jack the Ripper killer, and he goes, we, we must stop him. Yeah. No shit. Like what? Like what is the other option? It's like, it was like, but it was said like, huh, five people dead. We gotta stop this guy.
[00:15:01] Jason Mantzoukas: The police, the police are the least relevant characters in a movie that is ostensibly about a serial killer and the police that are after him.
[00:15:13] Paul Scheer: It is so odd because they also are so cocky, the police. Like when they catch, uh, Spader Prime and they think he's the murderer, like, we did what Scotland Yard could never do. It's like, mother, this. This is a very different time. Jack The ripper happened a hundred years ago and they have no technology.
[00:15:33] You're in modern day Los Angeles and you just caught a guy and you did no investigation. It's a whole Karen Reed operation all over again. Um, yeah. So these cops are cocky. Even when the two basketball playing, like other doctors come in, like he was with us the entire time playing basketball.
[00:15:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:15:52] Paul Scheer: He's like, really? All the time? It's like, well, yeah, we were in San Diego. We saw him a lot. Was like, Hmm, okay, thanks fellas.
[00:16:00] Lisa Gilroy: And yeah, no, no receipts, nothing. They did no evidence. They.
[00:16:03] Paul Scheer: Yeah, no evidence.
[00:16:04] Lisa Gilroy: Two guys, we got it. Thanks for coming in boys. Lots of boy power in this movie. The only girl we got was Hermione Granger.
[00:16:15] Paul Scheer: When she put on those glasses, you knew she was serious.
[00:16:18] Lisa Gilroy: Oh yeah.
[00:16:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah. And when she used the time turner, I was like, she's gonna help this kid not be abused.
[00:16:24] Lisa Gilroy: Yeah. And then when she was out and about with both the Spader twins, she was like, I'm going to bed before either of you can think of something to get us killed. Or worse, expelled
[00:16:37] Jason Mantzoukas: When she called. Uh, Spader. Horrid. Absolutely horrid.
[00:16:42] Lisa Gilroy: And then when she said, you've got something on your nose. Just that.
[00:16:47] Paul Scheer: I love when she is.
[00:16:49] Lisa Gilroy: You say one Paul.
[00:16:50] Paul Scheer: Alright. Birdie's bots.
[00:16:54] Lisa Gilroy: But sorry. Birdie's bots?
[00:16:56] Paul Scheer: Birdie's bots.
[00:16:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. Oh boy. Spader is giving me, Spader is giving me grownup Draco Malfoy vibes.
[00:17:06] Paul Scheer: I've read these books. I wasn't like into them that much. I like watched all the movies. I was a fine fan. I get the jokes. I'm not gonna be quoting any of that shit.
[00:17:15] Jason Mantzoukas: We get it, you don't love the books. You love her politics.
[00:17:22] Paul Scheer: Don't like it? Come talk to me in my Tesla. Now lemme tell you. I'll tell you. No, for me, I always like, I like the Harry Potter with Johnny Depp. That's, that's what the series took off.
[00:17:38] I am also like, kind of blown away by the way. Uh, there's a moment where they say like, what do we know about this guy? He kills women. He fucks 'em, but he wears a condom. And every guy and every cop is like, hahahahah.
[00:17:52] Lisa Gilroy: Huge laugh. Biggest laugh of the movie. Yeah, that was crazy. They go, we know our boy wears protection. Everyone laughs.
[00:17:58] Jason Mantzoukas: What? What an idiot.
[00:17:59] Lisa Gilroy: Yeah. They're like, Hey, hey, if you're gonna kill the girl anyways, it doesn't matter if you get it pregnant. Ah, no. If it was me, I'd be enjoying the ride.
[00:18:10] Paul Scheer: Now here's what I wanna reveal to you. Um, that a couple things here. That, uh, Jack the Ripper never raped.
[00:18:18] Lisa Gilroy: Jack the Ripper.
[00:18:19] Paul Scheer: Jack the ripper. Here's the thing.
[00:18:21] Lisa Gilroy: Uh, the movie set in London, Paul.
[00:18:25] Paul Scheer: Harry, Jack the Ripper.
[00:18:26] Lisa Gilroy: Yeah, there you go.
[00:18:27] Paul Scheer: Uh, Jack the Ripper never raped his victims.
[00:18:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, okay.
[00:18:33] Lisa Gilroy: Wait, what, what, what? Okay. Are you like a Jack the Ripper Truther?
[00:18:37] Paul Scheer: No. I, I'm, i'm finding I have a lot of movie mistakes. I also know who actually did it. I actually know who did it.
[00:18:43] Lisa Gilroy: He, he was actually a really good boyfriend.
[00:18:45] Jason Mantzoukas: You all, you always say he was misunderstood.
[00:18:48] Paul Scheer: He was. He was. Um, but no, but like they make such a big deal out of it and. It's, he's doing it exactly the same way, but a cursory Google. I know they don't have Google back then, but a book opening would show that that was not the part.
[00:19:02] Jason Mantzoukas: But they at least have Alta Vista or Web Crawler.
[00:19:05] Paul Scheer: Uh, ask Jeeves, did Jack the Ripper rape some ladies? No, sir.
[00:19:10] Jason Mantzoukas: You don't have to ask in a British accent.
[00:19:13] Paul Scheer: Really? That's why I never used it.
[00:19:14] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't think that's how I asked Jeeves.
[00:19:17] Paul Scheer: Thought he respected you more.
[00:19:19] Lisa Gilroy: How do you, how do you think you'd know that, Paul, that it was so long ago? Do you think they even checked for that kinda stuff?
[00:19:24] Paul Scheer: Well, if you think of the whole movie's based on Jack the Ripper, they would be like, it's identical. It's identical. He does everything identical. It's like, well, that's a, an addition that you don't even need to make. It plays no part in the story.
[00:19:37] Lisa Gilroy: I have to tell you something. Yeah. I don't think you should say that anymore, and I don't think you should go to parties and be like, fun fact, Jack The Ripper never raped anyone.
[00:19:45] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:19:45] Lisa Gilroy: Because I wanna say, I wanna say.
[00:19:47] Paul Scheer: Lemme tell you.
[00:19:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Stop, stop putting that into games of Celebrity.
[00:19:50] Lisa Gilroy: Yeah. Like, it's just like, it's uh.
[00:19:52] Paul Scheer: He didn't rape anybody. He was, he was a smart guy. He was a good boyfriend. Yeah. Jack. Jack, yeah. Yeah.
[00:19:58] Lisa Gilroy: Because like, okay, I did a show at Dynasty last week and I was like asking the, uh, listen, my, I'm my, you know, we took a standup class together. We're so new.
[00:20:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Can you not promo shows you've already done.
[00:20:06] Lisa Gilroy: Hey, check it out. Last week I was phenomenal.
[00:20:09] Paul Scheer: Is it still live streaming? It probably is.
[00:20:10] Lisa Gilroy: But like, to give you a taste of how bad I still am at standup, I was asking, at one point I was soliciting fun facts from the audience. 'Cause I just genuinely wanted to learn a new fact.
[00:20:18] And someone in the audience was like, I have a fun fact. Um, actually Robin Williams wasn't like that depressed before he killed himself.
[00:20:23] Paul Scheer: Oh, that's neither.
[00:20:23] Lisa Gilroy: And I'm just saying that's the same flavor of what you're doing over there. It's a warning. 'Cause I, 'cause we are friends.
[00:20:33] Paul Scheer: No, I appreciate, I appreciate it.
[00:20:34] I just wanna get the truth out there about Jack. Um, I will say that I've never been more creeped out by a box of condoms in a movie when the killer just like places a box of condoms out, like he doesn't even, he doesn't even break the box. It's just like, well, I'll get into this later on. Yeah. It creeped me out.
[00:20:53] Lisa Gilroy: Oh, I didn't notice that. I thought it was camera film, what he was putting out. But I think you can use both for both.
[00:20:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Especially because all of his, he's using a, uh, Polaroid so you can use the rapper of the Polaroid film that, that heavy Mylar rapper or whatever it is.
[00:21:07] Paul Scheer: And the pictures you get are beautiful.
[00:21:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, you will get lead poisoning in your dick though.
[00:21:14] Paul Scheer: But it comes out very Pollock-esque. Um.
[00:21:17] Jason Mantzoukas: But don't shake it.
[00:21:21] Paul Scheer: When you were talking about Hermione, that the way they introduced that character, you know, she's like the girl that everyone's flirting with in the office and the creepy guy that we think is Jack the Ripper for most of the movie, the big tall guy who is the killer of, of Prime Spader.
[00:21:35] Um, he's like, you get that book. That I gave you, and she's like, oh, thank you so much for that book. It was great. It's like, if you like it, I'll get you another.
[00:21:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:21:43] Paul Scheer: It was such great, it was so non-specific. It was like, it wasn't like, like just books. Like what could the book, I'll just, I will buy you another book. If you like books, I will buy you a book.
[00:21:55] Jason Mantzoukas: The reveal of this guy is that he's just low key, an amateur abortionist. That's, that's his deal. Like is he like a janitor at the hospital? Like what's his thing? Other than, Hey, knock, knock, do you want an abortion?
[00:22:14] Paul Scheer: I believe that he's the Anakin to the chief's, uh, emperor Palpatine.
[00:22:21] Like, 'cause at one point, remember when he's like cleaning out his locker, he's like, hello, what are you doing here? Good job. Yeah, good job. I'm like, what is he doing there? Why is he hiding in a locker room? What's going on?
[00:22:30] Jason Mantzoukas: I loved their dynamic and I was like, oh, I wish I'd gotten more of this.
[00:22:33] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:22:34] Jason Mantzoukas: You know, because boy was that creep city.
[00:22:36] Um, but I think they were like, you've seen him kill Spader Prime, so you think he's the bad guy.
[00:22:42] Lisa Gilroy: But also so weird to be like, if, okay, first of all, his name is Jack, so I think they're trying to be like, that could be the Ripper.
[00:22:48] Paul Scheer: Oh, right. Yeah.
[00:22:48] Lisa Gilroy: And, and, but then also like, I don't know, I imagine Jack the Ripper is like.
[00:22:51] Paul Scheer: Do you know that Jack the Ripper never raped anybody?
[00:22:57] Lisa Gilroy: I was gonna say, I imagine Jack the Ripper being, I don't know, you know, an unassuming bald man of a regular height.
[00:23:03] Paul Scheer: Just like, you know, into stuff. His wife was outta town. No big deal.
[00:23:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Drives, drives to Tesla.
[00:23:06] Lisa Gilroy: Exactly. Says stuff. If you stuff stuff, like, if you wanna talk about it, just come sit in my Tesla with me. Um, but no, I just thought it was like weird casting choice that they cast this like seven foot tall, half man, half foosball table to like.
[00:23:19] Paul Scheer: He is so big. He's too big.
[00:23:20] Lisa Gilroy: He like, I just felt like immediately it was like, it can't be him. He's like, Jock Jams 3000.
[00:23:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Oh, I agree. I he.
[00:23:28] Lisa Gilroy: Because his head's of football and he speaks in sports.
[00:23:30] Jason Mantzoukas: No, he's too big. He's too bad. His presence on screen is like forced perspective.
[00:23:35] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:23:36] Lisa Gilroy: Yeah.
[00:23:36] Jason Mantzoukas: It forces him to, to seem as though he's Gandalf and everybody else is a hobbit.
[00:23:40] Lisa Gilroy: Yeah.
[00:23:41] Paul Scheer: And, and he is. Now I do wanna break this down. What did he do? Because he went to that woman's apartment Yeah. To give her a free.
[00:23:50] Lisa Gilroy: Not free, not free abortion.
[00:23:51] Paul Scheer: Oh, right. Yes. Right. He was gonna get some snacks out of it. Um, but no, he also is doing it in her apartment, which seemed weird and unsanitary, but he's gonna give her an abortion. But then she's murdered. No, no?
[00:24:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:24:04] Lisa Gilroy: Yes.
[00:24:04] Paul Scheer: Yes. And then no, that one lone No. You were really on an island there. No, no.
[00:24:10] Jason Mantzoukas: No. She's alive.
[00:24:11] Paul Scheer: She's alive.
[00:24:12] Jason Mantzoukas: She's alive in the movie. She lives, she survives. Fake news. Everybody lives in the movie. There was no Jack the Ripper.
[00:24:19] Lisa Gilroy: I know what a dead girl looks like, and that ain't it.
[00:24:22] Jason Mantzoukas: She's actually, she's an immortal character. She can't be killed.
[00:24:27] Paul Scheer: So am.
[00:24:28] Jason Mantzoukas: He does not kill her.
[00:24:29] Paul Scheer: Right. But, but what hap like, I guess what I'm trying to do is, what happened?
[00:24:33] Did he go there, give an abortion. Left. And, no. Let me at least finish and you can tell me I'm wrong. It's Tim. It's Tim. Oh, it's Tim. Okay. Tim, you, you're allowed to talk. Um, did he give her an abortion? And then, and then she's, he is like, you're all done. And then he let the door open for the.
[00:24:53] Jason Mantzoukas: No. He says he stepped out for something and when he came back, she was deadsville.
[00:24:56] Paul Scheer: Tim.
[00:24:57] Audience Member: He shows up and says, I can give you the abortion for 200 bucks. She says, why are we gonna do it here? He's like, yeah, of course. So he gives her the abortion. Then he leaves to go to the drug store to get what he calls a prescription. I don't know who prescribed it, but when he comes back, she's dead.
[00:25:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:25:14] Paul Scheer: Okay. That's what I was basically saying up here, and you're like, no, no. That was what I was saying. He did the abortion left and then someone killed her and it was like, yeah.
[00:25:23] Jason Mantzoukas: So, so, you know, I guess is the idea that Sydney is following him around?
[00:25:31] Lisa Gilroy: Here's Sydney's whole deal. Or it's like, he's like, let me kill every woman I've ever met through the clinic where I work.
[00:25:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:25:37] Lisa Gilroy: Like, that's like me killing every man I've ever done improv with. How long do you think the police would take to be like, it's the zip Zap zop murderer.
[00:25:43] Jason Mantzoukas: The police. The police in this movie are embarrassingly bad.
[00:25:48] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:25:49] Jason Mantzoukas: They, they are given the slip by everybody. They're terrible.
[00:25:53] Lisa Gilroy: Yeah. They're like adults in a kid's movie where they're like, woo woo woo.
[00:25:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Spader is kind of giving me Macaulay Culkin Home Alone vibes.
[00:26:00] Lisa Gilroy: Definitely. With softer skin and bigger pecs.
[00:26:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. And man, when Spader's brother dies, uh, when Spader Prime dies and bad boy Spader wakes up like in tidy whitey's in bed.
[00:26:13] Paul Scheer: Oh.
[00:26:14] Jason Mantzoukas: I, that's where I got confused and I was like, oh, it was all a dream. And then I was like, hang on. I don't think it was all a dream.
[00:26:20] Paul Scheer: I rewound it. That you like you. Yeah.
[00:26:22] Jason Mantzoukas: But it really was like, boy did we drill down on him in that bed, in those briefs. I was like, give me, now we're in, now we're just doing like vintage Spader and then put him in a convertible. Let him drive around to LA I was like, I'll watch this. To the tune of like some song by a guy named Paul Sachs.
[00:26:41] Paul Scheer: Okay. I have some info about this.
[00:26:44] Jason Mantzoukas: If you don't play the song, this, this song from this movie, this is better than Drive. This. This movie is better than Drive.
[00:26:53] Paul Scheer: Alright, so I wanna do something that's, this might upset you, Jason, but uh, what happened here in this movie was, um, the director, Rowdy, uh, wanted to get a song by Peter Gabriel.
[00:27:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.
[00:27:08] Paul Scheer: Okay. And Peter Gabriel said no.
[00:27:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Mm-hmm.
[00:27:11] Paul Scheer: So he found another artist and he is like. Can you duplicate the Peter Gabriel song as close as you can without getting sued. So now we'll put them both together and you will see a little mashup,
[00:27:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Love it. Love it.
[00:27:33] Paul Scheer: That was the yeah.
[00:27:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Love it. Love it. I'll shout out the Peter Gabriel song is Red Rain and Stuart Copeland from The Police Plays Only High Hats on that song, and it's incredible.
[00:27:45] Paul Scheer: I, I love the music, I love the way that this movie is, but I want to go back to the Emperor Palpatine Anakin Skywalker relationship.
[00:27:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:27:53] Paul Scheer: Just for a second, because I.
[00:27:55] Lisa Gilroy: Hey, sorry. Uh, I'm not so familiar. So is this one, um, Natalie Portman is two girls?
[00:28:03] Paul Scheer: Now she also died in childbirth. So maybe.
[00:28:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow. You think, you think Jack the Ripper got Amidala?
[00:28:13] Paul Scheer: 100 years ago in a galaxy far, far away on the, on the pre anniversary. Um, this is the only clue that we have that these two are working together.
[00:28:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, creeper.
[00:28:27] Movie Audio: What are you doing here, Cindy? You scared me.
[00:28:38] Uh, I forgot some of my, my stuff and I, I needed it.
[00:28:42] Oh, you're not supposed to be in here after hours. Especially after what's already happened.
[00:28:49] I understand. I was just leaving.
[00:28:53] Jack.
[00:28:54] Sir?
[00:28:56] I've, uh, I've been meaning to tell you. You doing good work.
[00:29:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Unlimited power.
[00:29:08] Movie Audio: Thank you, sir.
[00:29:10] Now go have some fun.
[00:29:14] Yes sir.
[00:29:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Both of these people are murderers.
[00:29:20] Paul Scheer: We see that. I thought that was a coded, I thought that was a coded scene. Like we've been working together and you've been. No?
[00:29:27] Jason Mantzoukas: No, I don't think, I don't think it is.
[00:29:29] Paul Scheer: Tim? No, no.
[00:29:31] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't. I don't think it is, but I think the mo, I think it's absolutely insane that they are both murderers and are just don't and don't know it, and are just like hanging out in the same space.
[00:29:43] Paul Scheer: Wait, Jack's a murderer too.
[00:29:44] Lisa Gilroy: Well, he, he hanged Spader.
[00:29:47] Jason Mantzoukas: He killed Spader Prime.
[00:29:49] Paul Scheer: Well, because he thought that Spader Prime was gonna say that he was the murderer. That's self-defense.
[00:29:54] Jason Mantzoukas: What?
[00:29:56] Paul Scheer: That was self-defense.
[00:30:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait a minute. I mean, this is a take that only works from the front seat of a Tesla.
[00:30:13] Paul Scheer: He was like.
[00:30:14] Jason Mantzoukas: What are you talking about?
[00:30:15] Paul Scheer: He was like, I didn't kill her. I didn't kill her. And then he is like, oh, this guy's gonna fuck up everything. I'm been studying to be a doctor. This guy's gonna, I'm gonna be fucked. He's like, I gotta kill this guy. He's not letting anybody.
[00:30:25] Jason Mantzoukas: I gotta track him down.
[00:30:26] Paul Scheer: Mm-hmm.
[00:30:27] Jason Mantzoukas: And kill him multiple ways. This is, this is the wildest of takes.
[00:30:33] Paul Scheer: I just think that it was a one time thing.
[00:30:36] Jason Mantzoukas: That's enough! It's enough that he killed one Spader. Nevermind that he goes after the other one.
[00:30:44] Paul Scheer: Because they won't leave him alone. He is like, I didn't do anything. I'm a good doctor. The guy likes my work. I'm just trying to succeed here.
[00:30:51] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't even know.
[00:30:51] Paul Scheer: I bought a girl a book. I didn't rape anybody. I'm giving out $200 portions in the house.
[00:30:56] Lisa Gilroy: Yeah, but Paul, why does that guy have a pre-made noose ready at the office?
[00:31:02] Jason Mantzoukas: That's, I, yeah.
[00:31:03] Paul Scheer: I always suggest to everyone carry that. Especially if you live in LA.
[00:31:06] Lisa Gilroy: Okay. He, he killed him in the church doctor's office, right?
[00:31:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:31:10] Lisa Gilroy: Okay, so, so they were fighting, they're grappling over the phone. He called the police, he said, hello. I think I know who it was, what was. Hang up, and then he drags him to the other side of the church where a noose is coiled up in weight.
[00:31:22] Paul Scheer: Well, that was after Easter Services.
[00:31:26] Lisa Gilroy: Okay.
[00:31:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, do you think they hung Christ?
[00:31:30] Paul Scheer: I grew up.
[00:31:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Is that what you?
[00:31:31] Paul Scheer: I grew up in.
[00:31:32] Jason Mantzoukas: What church did you go to?
[00:31:34] Paul Scheer: Greek Orthodox.
[00:31:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait a minute.
[00:31:39] Paul Scheer: A lot of people will say, put on a cross. No. Well, how did they get him up there? They got get him up there.
[00:31:44] Jason Mantzoukas: And then they throw plates at his feet.
[00:31:46] Lisa Gilroy: That actually makes perfect sense. The cross should just be for Christ. It's his symbol. It's like he was killed and then the church is asked to follow and to die for Christ. That's something we gotta do ourselves. That's noose. That's not, that's not cross.
[00:31:58] Paul Scheer: A hundred percent.
[00:31:59] Lisa Gilroy: We should start wearing little noose around our necks.
[00:32:02] Paul Scheer: You go out with that theory. I go out out my Jack the Ripper series. We're gonna make a lot of friends.
[00:32:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh boy.
[00:32:09] Paul Scheer: What, now, spader two moves to LA but seemingly is packed like Indiana Jones packs the Raiders of the Lost Ark. Like why is he packing a wooden?
[00:32:17] Jason Mantzoukas: He is shipping, a wooden shipping crate. He works at Footlocker.
[00:32:22] Paul Scheer: What was that about? What is that? He works at Footlocker.
[00:32:25] Jason Mantzoukas: He's working at Footlocker or the equivalent thereof. Motherfucker has like genuine old school wooden crates in his apartment with a gun inside.
[00:32:36] Lisa Gilroy: It's like the kind of a crate that you order like a exotic monkey in?
[00:32:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes, yes. Or I guess a non exotic monkey could come in it as well.
[00:32:45] Lisa Gilroy: No, I meant like a little sexy one that strips.
[00:32:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, okay.
[00:32:53] Paul Scheer: But like what was he wearing before He strips like an astronaut costume?
[00:32:57] Lisa Gilroy: Depends
[00:32:57] Jason Mantzoukas: what the theme is.
[00:32:58] Paul Scheer: All right. I like that.
[00:33:00] Jason Mantzoukas: I, I mean the this, do you have the hypnosis scene?
[00:33:03] Paul Scheer: Ah, yes, of course I do. I
[00:33:05] Jason Mantzoukas: also, also, how come, do we anymore describe things as stiff as a board? Like is a board a measure of stiffness anymore?
[00:33:15] Do we still talking Board turns? What are you
[00:33:17] Lisa Gilroy: literally talking about? Yes. See, no see a board. There's nothing stiffer. We still have those. We do,
[00:33:23] Jason Mantzoukas: yes. I don't, I don't hear people talking about the stiffness of things as it relates to boards. Have you ever
[00:33:29] Paul Scheer: heard people go stiff as a board light as a feather?
[00:33:32] I don't think that this changed.
[00:33:33] Jason Mantzoukas: You don't think so? You think kids now are still saying stiff is a board. I, I don't think it's coming, coming up that much. Hey, lady, don't, don't,
[00:33:42] Paul Scheer: don't get testy with me. I hear a lot of kids say stiff as an Android. Um, yes. But this is 19. This is 1988. Here's the, uh, hypnotist team with Robert Picardo.
[00:33:56] Yeah. We love Robert Picardo. Ugh.
[00:33:58] Movie Audio: Alright, Richard, your left arm is as stiff as a board. Oh.
[00:34:03] Lisa Gilroy: Yeah, Jason's
[00:34:04] Paul Scheer: fuming. That happened quick.
[00:34:08] Lisa Gilroy: I mean,
[00:34:08] Jason Mantzoukas: absurd.
[00:34:09] Lisa Gilroy: Say one thing you think that's dislike. Alright, Richard, you may relax
[00:34:12] Jason Mantzoukas: your arm now and takes it back in
[00:34:13] Movie Audio: your lap.
[00:34:20] Now I'm going to lead you back to the clinic.
[00:34:28] It's dark.
[00:34:32] It's effective. What is it, Richard? He
[00:34:36] Jason Mantzoukas: he
[00:34:36] Movie Audio: Tell me what
[00:34:37] Jason Mantzoukas: you He's so good.
[00:34:40] Movie Audio: Come on. Richard. Richard.
[00:34:47] Richard.
[00:34:53] It's all right, Richard. It's all right.
[00:34:57] Lisa Gilroy: Ugh. So hot.
[00:34:59] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean, that's he to watch, right?
[00:35:03] Paul Scheer: What was, I mean, but what's?
[00:35:04] Jason Mantzoukas: He is so comp compelling. The only other like, and I mean this when I say like I do think he is one of the great actors of this generation and one of the only people who, as well as having. Th some of the most unreal good looks is willing to do Nick Cage level nonsense.
[00:35:22] Lisa Gilroy: Yeah.
[00:35:22] Jason Mantzoukas: At all times.
[00:35:24] Paul Scheer: Well, I was also thinking, I was like.
[00:35:26] Jason Mantzoukas: What a fucking, what an incredible guy. Incredible.
[00:35:29] Paul Scheer: In a different world too, he could have had a Christopher Walken career too. 'cause he's doing like, there's an intensity there that's kind of just amazing. But I also don't understand this from a plot point of view. He is tied to his twin. I get that. I get that idea. But when he is hypnotized, he then transfers into the twin's body.
[00:35:48] Lisa Gilroy: Okay. I, I have to help you guys 'cause you're confused. So everybody seems to be having a problem with like the twin of it all.
[00:35:54] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:35:55] Lisa Gilroy: So I was raised on like Olson and Olson detective agency.
[00:35:58] Paul Scheer: Got it. Love it.
[00:35:59] Lisa Gilroy: And Lindsay, Lindsay Lohan playing two girls and the Olson girls' going to camp and all that stuff. So usually what happens is one girl's.
[00:36:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, are these movies still available?
[00:36:09] Lisa Gilroy: Not for you, pervert.
[00:36:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.
[00:36:13] Lisa Gilroy: One girl's British and she's rich, and the other girl wears a backwards hat, like stuff like that.
[00:36:18] Paul Scheer: Got it.
[00:36:18] Lisa Gilroy: It's simply easy to understand. So there, and of course, all twins are connected, and yes, if you hypnotize them, they will see the murder of the other twin as evidenced by both Olsons and It Takes Two.
[00:36:29] Paul Scheer: That was a shocking scene and that's why it got an NC 17 on the original, uh, cut. Uh, here's something you should, you might wanna know too. Identical twins don't have identical fingerprints.
[00:36:40] Lisa Gilroy: Someone's never been fingered by a twin because let me tell you, you could feel it.
[00:36:47] Paul Scheer: I thought I was, I thought I was. And then I fingerprinted them afterwards.
[00:36:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Somewhere, somewhere someone is like, like, hang on.
[00:36:57] Paul Scheer: I, I, I would love that twin prank. Just one person pretending to be twins instead of two people pretending to be one. Oh, it must have been my twin.
[00:37:09] Lisa Gilroy: Oh, that's such a good idea. I was like, is that too late for me to start that?
[00:37:17] Paul Scheer: So the whole movie is a cat mouse between Jack the Ripper. Well.
[00:37:21] Jason Mantzoukas: No, it, it's not.
[00:37:21] Paul Scheer: Not Jack. Not Jack. Right. It's a Jack, the guy that we think is Jack the Ripper.
[00:37:25] Lisa Gilroy: No.
[00:37:28] Paul Scheer: Tim? But like, I mean, like that, that's what we're like, but we're chasing this thing the entire time. And we get to see these great James Spader fight scenes where he punches like a hail Hitler. Like he, he punches up. I've never seen it.
[00:37:42] Jason Mantzoukas: He flips the 260 pound man over his back and then ends it by double nut kicking him. He just, in order to hobble the guy, he just kicks him hard in the nuts twice. Spader is never on screen for any action. No, no strikes, no nothing. They have scenes where his legs just come into frame, legs and hits, strikes, come into frame that Spader is not doing.
[00:38:11] Paul Scheer: Spader is, I mean, what I, what I really love this movie is when he is just acting in, in like in the environment. Like when he goes into his brother's house and he looks at the bookshelf and he's looking at the books. And they're just medical books and you think, oh, is this important? No, they're just medical books. Like, there's nothing telling about that. Yeah. He's a medical student and those are the books. Like there's, you know, but it's like.
[00:38:36] Jason Mantzoukas: But it's so compelling. And then even in those boring, nothing scenes, I'm still like, I'll watch this fucker do whatever he wants.
[00:38:44] Paul Scheer: When he like, picks up a picture that I think is of himself and then looks at himself in the mirror is like, I've aged. It's like, yes, that's a, you're a child there.
[00:38:52] Lisa Gilroy: Can we talk about this?
[00:38:52] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:38:52] Lisa Gilroy: Because what the fuck was that picture? A picture of him marrying the sex worker who got killed? He took her to prom.
[00:39:01] Paul Scheer: Oh.
[00:39:02] Lisa Gilroy: What?
[00:39:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, what?
[00:39:03] Paul Scheer: I did not get that.
[00:39:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
[00:39:06] Paul Scheer: I was looking at.
[00:39:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, there's an even, there's even more connection.
[00:39:08] Lisa Gilroy: So, so, so, so wait, okay. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, whoa. Wait.
[00:39:12] Jason Mantzoukas: So Spader knew Denise?
[00:39:14] Lisa Gilroy: Wait, so, so.
[00:39:17] Jason Mantzoukas: What?
[00:39:19] Paul Scheer: I did not put that together.
[00:39:21] Jason Mantzoukas: He doesn't even know she's dead.
[00:39:24] Lisa Gilroy: Yes he does.
[00:39:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, which Spader is that?
[00:39:28] Lisa Gilroy: Prime.
[00:39:28] Paul Scheer: Prime.
[00:39:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh. Oh, okay. All right. Assholes. Okay. So me, I thought it was the other, I thought it was Seconder.
[00:39:35] Lisa Gilroy: So this is why. Okay, okay, okay. Okay. Wait, I, I'm figuring it out. I'm out. I didn't even wait, okay. Wait, I'm, I, I have it. I had it for a second. I understood the movie for one moment. He's Prime Spader. He's a doctor. He's in the office. He goes, he goes, oh, I'd like to take a close look at that pregnant prostitute. Like a, like, he's interested. And we go, oh, that.
[00:39:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Is he Australian?
[00:39:57] Lisa Gilroy: Just, and we're like, oh, it's because he's gonna kill her tonight on the night where he's supposed to kill a pregnant sex worker but instead the twist is he's like, I took her to prom and I'd love to say hello again. So I'm gonna go find her personal medical file and pay her a visit at her home tonight.
[00:40:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. I think that's, I think that's now what's going on?
[00:40:21] Paul Scheer: Wait, wait, wait. No, wait.
[00:40:22] Lisa Gilroy: This is the night he's picked to go visit Darrell Hannah in her home to say, remember me. We went for to prom together, but he runs into a coworker who was just there giving an abortion and another coworker who was just on the way out from killing her.
[00:40:35] Paul Scheer: But wait, but he, but he's not a killer though.
[00:40:37] Jason Mantzoukas: He's not a killer at all.
[00:40:38] Lisa Gilroy: He, he wanted to say hi.
[00:40:40] Paul Scheer: Oh.
[00:40:40] Lisa Gilroy: Going to reconnect.
[00:40:41] Paul Scheer: Oh, weird. Weird way to reconnect. Because what's, what's so weird about it is this because she's a foot in front of his desk.
[00:40:51] Lisa Gilroy: Yeah. Why doesn't say like oh, they're like, they're remembering prom right here.
[00:40:54] Movie Audio: Stay up the streets. You understand?
[00:40:59] You tell that to my pimp.
[00:41:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh boy.
[00:41:01] Movie Audio: Don't you care about your unborn child?
[00:41:06] Lisa Gilroy: He's like, prom, I know her from prom.
[00:41:09] Movie Audio: In my office.
[00:41:10] Just wait.
[00:41:10] Now.
[00:41:11] Lisa Gilroy: He's like, wait, didn't we go to prom together?
[00:41:14] Jason Mantzoukas: He's like, he's like, thank you, by the way, for letting me wear a blazer as my doctor's jacket.
[00:41:21] Lisa Gilroy: Oh, this is so insane.
[00:41:23] Jason Mantzoukas: It is so crazy. The movie that is
[00:41:25] Paul Scheer: Wow.
[00:41:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Again, set in Los Angeles, the city where we now are posits a world in which every, everybody lives in a three block radius of each other.
[00:41:36] Paul Scheer: By the way.
[00:41:37] Jason Mantzoukas: 'Cause once again, second Spader moves across the park from this location.
[00:41:42] Paul Scheer: Hermione Hermione lived half a block away from my old house. Uh, and I was, I wanted to drive by today.
[00:41:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, she, uh, at the Shakespeare Bridge.
[00:41:49] Paul Scheer: Yes. It was so exciting. I wanted to go over to that.
[00:41:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Loved it. Loved seeing, I loved the driving around Los Angeles of this movie.
[00:41:56] Paul Scheer: I mean, it's basically an Echo Park movie, right? I mean, that's.
[00:42:00] Jason Mantzoukas: There was a bunch of stuff. There was also Hollywood, uh, Holly, there, that section, that's the movie theaters, Hollywood Vine, there kind of, no, no, they're not. Vine.
[00:42:07] Lisa Gilroy: Where the Cubs used to play.
[00:42:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Where the Cubs used to play.
[00:42:10] Paul Scheer: Before they moved to Chicago. Right. Now, does he know that, in that like Triple X theater, they're, they, this guy just sells guns? Or is it?
[00:42:22] Jason Mantzoukas: How does he know that?
[00:42:23] Lisa Gilroy: Yeah, I guess because he used to be in the gangs.
[00:42:24] Jason Mantzoukas: He used to be a bad boy? I guess? Yeah.
[00:42:26] Paul Scheer: So it's like. Since he's left and come back. He's like, yeah, well you can always buy a gun off of that guy.
[00:42:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Why? Why? Here's my question. Wouldn't it make more sense if there was good Spader and bad Spader?
[00:42:37] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:42:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Why isn't bad Spader just a bad guy? Why does he work at Footlocker and And it's not because he's like later in the thing, he is like, Hmm, look at these treads.
[00:42:47] Lisa Gilroy: That's what I thought was gonna happen.
[00:42:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Look at, I think, I think our killer is wearing socks. Where did my, where did my brother see sock while he was getting strangled?
[00:42:58] Lisa Gilroy: I think they were setting this up to be a Nickelodeon movie and then something went badly wrong because they were gonna be like, it's funny, there's a doctor brother and a shoe brother.
[00:43:07] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:43:08] Lisa Gilroy: And wouldn't it be funny if they got hypnotized and had to swap lives.
[00:43:12] Jason Mantzoukas: The street life of, of, of
[00:43:14] Lisa Gilroy: Spader and Spader and, and then the one, the shoe brother's like, I'm doing surgery. I dunno how to do this. And then the doctor brothers in the shoe store and he's like. Like, well, I can sell you shoes.
[00:43:26] Paul Scheer: It's actually, but you know what? I think you're right because even the opening title sequence, like the Jack's Back, is written in a fun font.
[00:43:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:43:32] Paul Scheer: It's not written in like Jack's back. It's like Jack's Back.
[00:43:37] Jason Mantzoukas: It also, you also understand like, what is Jack's Back? There's like, there's a character named Jack, not named Jack.
[00:43:43] They talk about Jack the Ripper. Obviously Jack the Ripper, but the also second Spader is back in town. He, there's, there's too much, there's too many competing elements that are the same bit or game.
[00:43:55] Lisa Gilroy: You know what else it could be? Remember the movie Jack?
[00:43:58] Paul Scheer: Yeah. With Robin Williams.
[00:43:59] Lisa Gilroy: Um, so that's a little boy who's in a big man's body.
[00:44:01] Paul Scheer: Can I tell you something about Rob Williams? Just something fun.
[00:44:09] Lisa Gilroy: Don't give him an applause break for that.
[00:44:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Did you, do you have the scene where Spade's in his brother's apartment?
[00:44:16] Paul Scheer: Um, I do. I wanna show you one thing.
[00:44:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Please.
[00:44:19] Paul Scheer: Uh, did you guys notice? The, um, the, my buddy doll.
[00:44:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, wow.
[00:44:24] Paul Scheer: And there's a my buddy doll in the cop office and it's like, what is that?
[00:44:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Do you wanna tell? Um, is it a my buddy? Yes it is. Oh yeah, that the striped shirt. Do you wanna tell Lisa what a my buddy is in your relationship to it?
[00:44:37] Paul Scheer: I.
[00:44:37] Lisa Gilroy: This is something you fucked when you were a kid.
[00:44:41] Paul Scheer: Oddly, more disturbing.
[00:44:43] Lisa Gilroy: It fucked you?
[00:44:44] Paul Scheer: I, yep.
[00:44:46] Jason Mantzoukas: My buddy, my buddy.
[00:44:49] Paul Scheer: He goes to my, I asked for.
[00:44:51] Lisa Gilroy: Is that why 50 cent made a song like that? It's a joke. Because you know, the 50 cent song, it's like my buddy, my buddy, wherever I go, he goes, it's about a gun.
[00:45:00] Paul Scheer: Oh wow. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah.
[00:45:01] Lisa Gilroy: So isn't it so crazy the difference between like a cool girl and like guys who are not cool?
[00:45:09] Jason Mantzoukas: You didn't even know.
[00:45:10] Lisa Gilroy: My buddy, the doll. I like, I carry my doll around.
[00:45:16] Paul Scheer: Well, Lisa, I was gonna tell you, I begged my parents for my buddy because I had no friends on my block or anybody to hang out with and I just wanted to have a buddy.
[00:45:26] Lisa Gilroy: Aww.
[00:45:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Now don't you feel stupid.
[00:45:29] Lisa Gilroy: I feel bad. And Paul, I wanna tell you something. I had a Susie stretch. Did you guys have this or was it just like a bad Canada toy?
[00:45:35] Paul Scheer: Whoa, I want to know.
[00:45:36] Lisa Gilroy: She was a little.
[00:45:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Was it like a stretch Armstrong type of a like you could pull the.
[00:45:40] Lisa Gilroy: She was a doll, but she had like, um, well that accordion arms. So like when she was in her resting place,
[00:45:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Whoa, that's a, that's tall.
[00:45:46] Lisa Gilroy: She was like this.
[00:45:47] Paul Scheer: A resting place.
[00:45:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, did she come with a coffin?
[00:45:52] Lisa Gilroy: Yeah. Like.
[00:45:53] Paul Scheer: Bring me to my resting place.
[00:45:54] Jason Mantzoukas: You could, like each doll comes with a wooden coffin, shovel.
[00:45:57] Paul Scheer: Stiff as a board in a resting place.
[00:46:01] Jason Mantzoukas: A chisel and a block of granite make her headstone.
[00:46:05] Lisa Gilroy: That would've been more fun than what she was.
[00:46:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh my God.
[00:46:08] Lisa Gilroy: She, her shoes were like secretly slippers. And so she's this big, she's like a baby, basically. Right? And so I could wear her shoes, like feet like shoes. I could slip my feet into her feet and I could put my hands into her hands. And then I'd stretch her up big like this, and she'd be the same size as me, but we would be face to face, fucking walking around the house together.
[00:46:27] Jason Mantzoukas: This is terrifying.
[00:46:28] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:46:29] Jason Mantzoukas: This is honest to God. What are you talking about? I still, wait, is that how it's supposed is supposed to be played?
[00:46:35] Paul Scheer: Suzy stretch.
[00:46:35] Lisa Gilroy: Susie Stretch, yeah.
[00:46:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Is that how it's supposed to be played with or that's just what you were doing?
[00:46:39] Lisa Gilroy: I don't, I didn't know how else to play with her and I can still remember her like hard plastic head against my head.
[00:46:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Whoa, whoa. I don't like it. I don't want, I don't. Oh, it's on. Okay. It's on Etsy.
[00:46:50] Lisa Gilroy: There she is.
[00:46:50] Jason Mantzoukas: How about YouTube for a commercial?
[00:46:52] Paul Scheer: Oh, yeah, yeah.
[00:46:52] Lisa Gilroy: There's a commercial right there.
[00:46:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Right there. 1995. Yes. Yes. All of our dreams have come true. Full screen.
[00:46:58] Commercial Audio: Your tiptoes as she follows along.
[00:47:03] Paul Scheer: Whoa.
[00:47:09] Commercial Audio: Arms. Your feet. Really stretches. Nighttime falls. Dance. Complete. Goodnight. Suzy Stretch.
[00:47:21] Jason Mantzoukas: What?
[00:47:22] Commercial Audio: New from Irwin.
[00:47:23] Jason Mantzoukas: What?
[00:47:24] Paul Scheer: Holy shit. Holy shit.
[00:47:28] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean, what's just, and I don't know if you remember this, but what's just abundantly clear is it just looks like she's going down on every little girl. It just looks like you fastened her head to your crotch.
[00:47:39] Lisa Gilroy: That girl was too tall.
[00:47:41] Paul Scheer: That's more scary than anything that we saw in this movie.
[00:47:45] Jason Mantzoukas: I would. I would believe Susie Stretch is Jack the Ripper more than. Su. Oh, another, another girl has been stretched in Los Angeles.
[00:47:54] Paul Scheer: Wow. Wow.
[00:47:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Lieutenant. We found her. She was stretched.
[00:48:00] Paul Scheer: Stretched to death. Oh, let's go out to the crowd, uh, and talk to y'all.
[00:48:04] What do you got? All right. Michael here, recommended this movie. He's in the audience tonight. If you have a question, Michael, I'll come to you obviously as well, but, all right, Tim, I'm going back to you. All right, what do you got?
[00:48:14] Audience Member: So, with the killer, it's Jack's Back. He's copycatting Jack the Ripper. They're all about, it's gotta be tonight.
[00:48:21] It's gotta be in her house. It's gotta be a pregnant woman. That's the final murder. He goes to the house, he murders her like his opus is complete. The headline came true. He's got all the glory he needs. Why does he go kill Hermione?
[00:48:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Like why does he wanna kill the female doctor that Spader is running around within her BMW? Like why? Why? Because he is just, I'm, I think, creeping on her. Like that's who's watching her through the window and stuff like that.
[00:48:49] Lisa Gilroy: Or was she onto him or something?
[00:48:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, I don't, oh, I don't know. I don't think so. Also, when he killed the woman that had just gotten the abortion, she technically wasn't pregnant anymore.
[00:49:01] Paul Scheer: I just wanna, can I just?
[00:49:03] Jason Mantzoukas: No, hang on. Now. Hang on.
[00:49:07] Paul Scheer: Well, that actually, what makes sense is Mary Kelly, the ripper's final victim was not pregnant at the time of the murder.
[00:49:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, okay.
[00:49:16] Paul Scheer: It's a popular claim.
[00:49:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh.
[00:49:18] Paul Scheer: There's no historical documents to prove that she was pregnant.
[00:49:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, wow.
[00:49:21] Paul Scheer: So this movie is.
[00:49:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Why do you have so much, so much, frankly, gross information about.
[00:49:28] Paul Scheer: It's my hobby. My hobby is Jack.
[00:49:31] Jason Mantzoukas: How come? How come all those papers are printed out from your blog?
[00:49:35] Paul Scheer: They're just, they're just photocopies of my writings. These are my writings. Yes. Hi. What's your name and what's, uh, your question?
[00:49:42] Audience Member: I'm David. My theory is in the scene where he's getting hypnotized, um, the second half of that scene is him experiencing what happened to his brother, sleeping back into that moment before he's, uh, what he's being killed.
[00:49:53] That's real. But the first portion of that is something that. It is, uh, totally different. It's him what? Unbeknownst to everybody else when he was like running with the Latin Kings, you know, when he was younger, he p he came, he came into like the habit of, um, auto erotic asphyxiation. So in that first part, he that.
[00:50:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, what's going on?
[00:50:15] Paul Scheer: Let him cook.
[00:50:15] Jason Mantzoukas: David.
[00:50:16] Paul Scheer: Let him cook.
[00:50:19] Audience Member: So in the, so when he's slipping back into that memory, he's like, hold up. This is kind of working for me. So he's, he's in that moment where his brother's getting choked out and he's like getting off on it. And he's actually, that's his o face. He's coming as he's getting hypnotized and then after he comes, he slips back into the scene and then he experiences the death of his brother.
[00:50:40] Paul Scheer: I think you're a hundred percent right on. Can you come here? What do you guys think?
[00:50:47] Jason Mantzoukas: David, please come to every show and tell us which scene contained that actor's o face. Our O Face corresponded David.
[00:50:57] Paul Scheer: Uh, yes. Hi. What's your name? What's your question?
[00:51:00] Audience Member: Corey. I think more attention needs to be paid on when he grabbed her by the hair at the end and she went flying.
[00:51:05] Lisa Gilroy: Yes.
[00:51:05] Paul Scheer: Oh yeah.
[00:51:05] Audience Member: Like into the pillows because I rewound that like three times.
[00:51:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Like why does he have super strength? He is an old man and I'm saying that as an old man because I bet if I looked it up, the actor playing Sydney is younger than I am currently when shooting this movie would be my guess. Uh, based on that time, I looked up Wilfred Brimley in a movie we did, and he was one year older than me at the time, which I have not recovered from.
[00:51:36] Paul Scheer: I believe Danny Glover is 44 in the first Lethal Weapon.
[00:51:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:51:41] Paul Scheer: Where he is too old for this shit.
[00:51:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:51:43] Paul Scheer: That's a very disturbing fact. Uh, and he also, the age was a different time back then.
[00:51:48] Uh, all right. Michael, you're over here. Where are you? Yeah. All right. So Michael's the one who brought it to us. Thank you, Michael, for, uh, recommending this movie. I wanna make sure that you get a chance to offer up any, any thoughts.
[00:52:03] Audience Member: Thank you, Paul. Uh, I just wanna give a shout out to my brother-in-law, Chris, who I watched this movie with last March. Um, I have.
[00:52:11] Lisa Gilroy: Are you guys identical?
[00:52:13] Audience Member: No. Brother-in-law, brother-in-law. That's true. Could, could be pop.
[00:52:19] Paul Scheer: But their fingerprints do match. Weird.
[00:52:21] Audience Member: Don't ask my sister how she figured that out. Um.
[00:52:28] Jason Mantzoukas: That's right, Michael. You don't take shit from these idiots.
[00:52:32] Audience Member: That's right.
[00:52:32] Jason Mantzoukas: They've been acting crazy all night.
[00:52:37] Audience Member: Real quick. Yeah. Did you notice what the name of the shoe store was? Jason? What was it? Second Sole.
[00:52:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, okay.
[00:52:46] Audience Member: Because he's the second soul of Prime Spader.
[00:52:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Got it.
[00:52:51] Audience Member: Why?
[00:52:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Honestly, this audience sucks.
[00:52:57] Paul Scheer: I am gonna believe, I'm gonna believe that this movie did not have the budget to do that. And there is a actual clothing, this shoe store called Second Sole because it's like your business shoe and then your casual shoe.
[00:53:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:53:07] Paul Scheer: Alright, we'll look up that at one point.
[00:53:09] Audience Member: Okay. So real question. When Dark Spader is flashing back during the hypnosis, when he zooms up into the hypnotist house.
[00:53:19] Paul Scheer: Yes. When he is having his orgasm scene?
[00:53:21] Jason Mantzoukas: When, when? When Robert Ricardo is hanging with his mom in a man?
[00:53:25] Audience Member: Yes.
[00:53:25] Jason Mantzoukas: In a mansion somewhere.
[00:53:27] Audience Member: Yes.
[00:53:27] Jason Mantzoukas: He looks like it. Looks as though Spader has arrived at like a 1950s mansion. Like in the middle of the night. Robert Carter's wearing like a dress, like a a, a smoking jacket or something. I was perplexed.
[00:53:42] Audience Member: So he flashes back and sees through prime Spader's eyes the doctor winking at him from behind the curtain while he's being strung up. So is he seeing it from a third person per perspective?
[00:53:57] Jason Mantzoukas: No, that's what his brother saw when he was dying.
[00:53:59] Audience Member: He, he seeing through his brother's eyes. Okay. Thank you.
[00:54:01] Jason Mantzoukas: So he's just seeing more of the event now, including the fact that Sidney, the creepy doctor, was there wearing socks which Spader. Bad spader is like, fuck I shoes are my superpower.
[00:54:15] Audience Member: Yeah. So that, so that means two things. That means two things. One, that Prime Spader took the time to check out the shoes that he was wearing.
[00:54:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep.
[00:54:23] Audience Member: And that he knew that Sydnee was behind the murders all along before he died?
[00:54:28] Paul Scheer: Well, that's the thing he could have said. I know it's not, you let me down. So I don't think it was a technical murder.
[00:54:34] Jason Mantzoukas: What?
[00:54:36] Paul Scheer: Because he knew and he didn't let on that he knew. Like.
[00:54:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Who? So wait, you want justice for Jack?
[00:54:43] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Jack was forced to kill.
[00:54:45] Audience Member: Okay. Finally, I'm gonna vindicate you a little bit. Um, Jack the Ripper was a bad guy, and Jack was a murderer. However.
[00:54:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Don't point at me. I'm not Jack.
[00:54:56] Audience Member: However, I think that you were correct that they were working together in a Palpatine Anakin, but it was about the abortions. He knew that he was going out and doing the abortions and saying, good work.
[00:55:08] Lisa Gilroy: No, no, no. No, come up here and fight me because the guy, the, the Christmas Carol man, who is the bad grumpy man who works at the clinic.
[00:55:21] Paul Scheer: He was like the actual Jack the Ripper copy killer.
[00:55:22] Lisa Gilroy: Yeah. He said, think of your unborn child. Like he was like a pro-lifer.
[00:55:27] Jason Mantzoukas: He's too pro-life. I, I agree. Yeah.
[00:55:29] Lisa Gilroy: And then the other guy, the abortion giver was also not a good guy 'cause he was just doing it for money on the side. The only good guy that would give you an abortion that would actually feel good would be Spader.
[00:55:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Spader Prime. Spader Prime.
[00:55:40] Lisa Gilroy: Yeah.
[00:55:41] Jason Mantzoukas: I think, I mean, I did kind of want bad Spader to like impersonate his brother at some point and try and do doctor stuff.
[00:55:48] Lisa Gilroy: Yeah.
[00:55:48] Jason Mantzoukas: That would've been cool.
[00:55:50] Paul Scheer: Um, hi, what's her name?
[00:55:51] Audience Member: Dominique.
[00:55:51] Paul Scheer: Okay. And what's your question?
[00:55:53] Audience Member: Well, I think I can put it all together.
[00:55:55] Paul Scheer: Wow.
[00:55:56] Jason Mantzoukas: I love that.
[00:55:56] Audience Member: Well, I think that the psychiatrist actually also hypnotized the main doctor of the clinic. And he was influencing, uh, Jack, the other medical guy. And so they were kind of, were kind of working together.
[00:56:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait. Including the hypnotist? So you think they're all together.
[00:56:14] Audience Member: It doesn't make any other sense for him to get so mad when he's like, you know, who did it and then he like pulls out the gun and is about to shoot him.
[00:56:20] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Well that's.
[00:56:20] Jason Mantzoukas: I thought that too 'cause that's when I thought the movie was trying to tell us. And I do think the movie is trying to obfuscate things more. I felt like the moment when Robert Picardo is reaching the gun saying you think, you know, is meant to make us feel like, oh, maybe it's him.
[00:56:34] Paul Scheer: That's what I thought. So, alright, so what we're saying is Robert Picardo is the, is the main villain. He is hypnotizing people to go out and do his bidding so they don't even know. That's why the guy's got dark circles under his eyes.
[00:56:47] Jason Mantzoukas: I'm sorry. And he lives with his mother. Dominique, I'm not sure I know if that's it. I mean, if they're all.
[00:56:56] Paul Scheer: All the murderers live with their moms is what we heard.
[00:56:59] Lisa Gilroy: Yeah. And he's hypnotized his mom to keep paying the mortgage and buying him the cereal he likes.
[00:57:04] Jason Mantzoukas: I would love it. I would love it if it's revealed that they are all in.
[00:57:07] Paul Scheer: Mom. I said, give me a sally stretch. Not a My Buddy. Um, yes. Okay. Yes. What's your question?
[00:57:16] Audience Member: So I'm Michael, number two. Um, I'm an anesthesiologist and I just wanted to bring up three things that are accurate in the movie. Short white coats for medical students. Second, um, attendings, when you're going through that whole process, you don't work for them. They can't fire you. They kind of own you and you're like, basically like slave labor for them. And if you told one of them to fuck off, they would probably try to murder you in your sleep like Hermione. And lastly. As a Latino man, a Latino mother, waking up in her seventies to see if you're okay in the middle of the night. Completely accurate. Especially in Los Angeles.
[00:57:52] Paul Scheer: Wow. Well now we've really tied it all together. I mean, there's nothing else to say. Wow. Wow, wow.
[00:58:00] Jason Mantzoukas: He's just getting up in the middle of the night to do some hypnotizing. You've gotta hypnotize me. What a crazy thing to show up in the middle of night. You, you just gotta hypnotize me. Don't make me think of a chicken.
[00:58:16] Paul Scheer: Obviously we have opinions about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions.
[00:58:27] Audience Member: Hi, my name is Stephanie.
[00:58:31] Okay. Some folks are dumb. They don't know a lot. Stars, they give one or two. Amazon asks, how good was this film? Oh, they say the fans are fools. No, it ain't three. It ain't three. It ain't even number four. Four. It ain't three. It ain't three. I'll only give it five stars.
[00:59:06] Paul Scheer: Yes. Amazing. Great job.
[00:59:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow. Wow, wow, wow.
[00:59:12] Paul Scheer: While our singers were singing, I was able to do some research and I found out indeed Second Sole is a shoe store that does exist for runners. So.
[00:59:23] Jason Mantzoukas: In, in LA?
[00:59:24] Paul Scheer: Uh.
[00:59:25] Jason Mantzoukas: It doesn't matter.
[00:59:26] Paul Scheer: It doesn't make a difference. Yeah. But there we go. But it probably wasn't LA.
[00:59:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.
[00:59:30] Paul Scheer: Yep. So there we go. Um. Lemme give you this here. Uh, the average rating of this movie is 4.6 out of five stars. 76 reviews.
[00:59:41] Jason Mantzoukas: I agree.
[00:59:42] Paul Scheer: Are five star reviews. Only 2% are one star. And, uh, this will start off with, uh, gov. Gov writes,
[00:59:50] "Why do people in the eighties hate curtains? Five stars."
[00:59:56] Jason Mantzoukas: It's true. It's true. Very true.
[00:59:59] Paul Scheer: Carol wrote
[01:00:01] "James Spader as a blonde in this walked so Carmi from the Bear could run. Five stars."
[01:00:08] Lisa Gilroy: Interesting.
[01:00:10] Jason Mantzoukas: They're both kind of Jack Little guys.
[01:00:12] Lisa Gilroy: Yeah. And they do kind of do like, just like, like weird stuff with their tongues sometimes. Okay. Like, doesn't, like, don't they kinda go like, yeah. Sometimes.
[01:00:22] Paul Scheer: You got some solid. Yes.
[01:00:23] Jason Mantzoukas: They both. They both do. A lizard.
[01:00:24] Lisa Gilroy: I don't know. I was noticing what James Peter was doing with his tongue.
[01:00:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah. Okay. Very cool. Very cool.
[01:00:28] Lisa Gilroy: Maybe I'm only one.
[01:00:29] Jason Mantzoukas: A couple other people noticed it as well. You might want to like to start a little club.
[01:00:34] Paul Scheer: From a review that it says, reviewed in Japan in 2019.
[01:00:39] "James Spader. I am good at acting. I watched it. The story itself was different from my imagination looking at the jacket and it was quite interesting. It may be because I'm dull, but I didn't know the true culprit until the end and I was pounding the floor watching it. There's no good things in movies right now. There were no Japanese subtitles or dubbing, but I'm not good at English. I enjoyed it. It's a movie. I wanna watch it. I was glad to watch it. Five stars."
[01:01:18] Lisa Gilroy: Incredible. That made more sense than anything. Mantzoukas has said this entire show.
[01:01:24] Jason Mantzoukas: How dare you.
[01:01:25] Lisa Gilroy: Sorry.
[01:01:25] Jason Mantzoukas: How dare you? Because my English isn't so good?
[01:01:28] Lisa Gilroy: No, your English is perfect. Your ideas are stupid and bad.
[01:01:32] Jason Mantzoukas: How dare you?
[01:01:33] Paul Scheer: Now I did, uh, I did ask somebody about this film. I told, uh, Ms. June Diane Raphael.
[01:01:40] I said the movie that we are doing, she said, please forgive. She's wearing wig. She's in full costume. She's in a period piece show. Um, I, I, I gave her the title and the year, and I said, you tell us what it's about.
[01:02:00] June Diane Raphael: Hi, How Did This Get Made listeners and hi people of Largo, Paul and Jason told me that this movie's called Jacks Back.
[01:02:07] Jacks Back, and that, and they asked if I could figure out what the movie was about just based on the title alone. And the year, which is 1988. Now, of course, initially I thought, oh, it's probably about a dad named Jack who dies early too soon. Um, and every winter comes back as a snowman. And the moral being Snow dad is better than no dad.
[01:02:33] But then that sounded too familiar, uh, too reminiscent of a different movie. So I, I don't think it's that. I think Jack is Jack of Jack and Jill. Um, and. He's a killer doll. He's a killer doll and he's thrown away at when his owner sort of like Andy and Toy Story was coming of age. He was discarded, rather rudely and unceremoniously.
[01:03:07] Um, and he's back. He's back. He's never forgotten what's happened and he's ready to seek revenge. Jack's Back.
[01:03:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Great.
[01:03:21] Lisa Gilroy: Incredible.
[01:03:22] Jason Mantzoukas: I would watch that.
[01:03:26] Paul Scheer: Jack's Back.
[01:03:28] Lisa Gilroy: I can't believe you got such a hot woman to do this stupid show.
[01:03:36] Paul Scheer: Any final thoughts?
[01:03:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Do you, do you have, um, any of the other scenes that have music in them, the saxophone?
[01:03:41] Paul Scheer: Uh, uh, I might.
[01:03:43] Jason Mantzoukas: There was just some next level eighties saxophone stuff while Spader's like sitting on his porch petting a cat.
[01:03:50] Lisa Gilroy: Oh yeah.
[01:03:51] Jason Mantzoukas: In between shifts at Second Sole.
[01:03:54] Paul Scheer: I did wanna talk, I did wanna talk about this scene. This is the one scene before we go that I think is worthy of chatting about.
[01:04:03] Movie Audio: Isn't Nate a little late?
[01:04:04] This is an emergency. May we come in?
[01:04:07] I'm not really dressed.
[01:04:09] It's okay. We're police officers.
[01:04:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Not a lot's changed LA.
[01:04:18] Lisa Gilroy: This scene pissed me off, but I also, I'm like at odds with myself because I also was the same person who was so mad that he jangled the gate when she was about to take her bra off. So I was like, I was looking forward to seeing tits and then later I was like, ah, those cops are so rude.
[01:04:36] Paul Scheer: It seems that the cops are into being pervs like they are.
[01:04:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah man. They're creeps, they're they're trigger happy creeps.
[01:04:44] Paul Scheer: Alright, well we don't have to be that rude about them. I mean, people said a lot of bad things about Jack the Ripper.
[01:04:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh God.
[01:04:50] Paul Scheer: And two of them we know are not true. Um, any final thoughts, uh, on the film? Any final anything?
[01:04:58] Lisa Gilroy: I loved the movie and I love you guys and I'm glad you made me watch it.
[01:05:01] Paul Scheer: I'm so happy that you're here. It's so great.
[01:05:03] Jason Mantzoukas: I had a blast. I, you know, we've had to watch so, so many bad movies that are truly bad in a slog. This was a delight. Not once did I have a note that was like, how, is there still 45 minutes left?
[01:05:17] Paul Scheer: Nope.
[01:05:17] Jason Mantzoukas: I, I more was like, it's over already?
[01:05:19] Paul Scheer: I literally sat down. I was like.
[01:05:21] Jason Mantzoukas: I looked for the soundtrack.
[01:05:23] Paul Scheer: I, I sat down. I sat down. I was like, I'll watch 30 minutes. I'll get this outta the way and then I'll watch some more later. I watched the whole thing.
[01:05:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Crushed it.
[01:05:30] Paul Scheer: I didn't move. I didn't move.
[01:05:32] Jason Mantzoukas: I was sad I hadn't seen it when it came out and I was 16 years old.
[01:05:38] Lisa Gilroy: I'm surprised you like it so much. 'cause didn't you keep calling it like, loof Glas? Wait what? Loof Glanus. Loof Glarus. Loof Glarus. LL Gla Lenius Lu Lu PRUs.
[01:05:53] Paul Scheer: Laborious?
[01:05:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Lugubrious.
[01:05:55] Lisa Gilroy: Lugubrious
[01:05:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Loof. Loof.
[01:05:57] Lisa Gilroy: Loof. Loof Guus. Luer lu. Oregano. Grainus lu.
[01:06:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Loof.
[01:06:02] Lisa Gilroy: Grainus.
[01:06:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Loof. Grainus.
[01:06:03] Paul Scheer: Well's. The shirt.
[01:06:05] Lisa Gilroy: Legless.
[01:06:05] Jason Mantzoukas: It's, it's, it's a picture. It's a picture of Lisa. It just says Loof Gralius. Question mark.
[01:06:11] Lisa Gilroy: Lou GerigsDisease.
[01:06:13] Jason Mantzoukas: And that's your, um, and, or that's as if you are Hermione. And that's a spell.
[01:06:19] Lisa Gilroy: Yes.
[01:06:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Loof Scarious.
[01:06:23] Paul Scheer: That is the shirt. Alright, thank you everybody. Goodnight.
[01:06:26] Everybody: We love you, Avaryl! Avaryl! Avaryl! Avaryl!
[01:06:31] Paul Scheer: Thank you so much everybody that uh, really nice of you. Thank you so much.
[01:06:34] Jason Mantzoukas: Thank gang.
[01:06:35] Paul Scheer: Give it for Lisa!
[01:06:36] Lisa Gilroy: Thanks. Thanks for having me. I love you guys.
[01:06:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Eat shit LA!
[01:06:41] Paul Scheer: Thanks again to the hilarious Lisa Gilroy for filling in for June, and a huge thank you to our pals at Largo. Flanny, Griffey, Alec in the booth and our recording engineer Brendan Burns. We'll be back in Los Angeles at Largo for two shows on October 22nd and 23rd, so go to HDTGM.com to get your tickets because they will sell out.
[01:07:02] Now, our t-shirt for this show is pretty special. It says Loofligarlius Uh, with a graphic of Lisa as Hermione casting a spell. Uh, to get this design on a shirt or a sticker, or a mug, or many other types of products, just click on the merch link at HDTGM.com. And as always, if you have a correction or omission for this episode, leave me a voicemail at 6 1 9 P-A-U-L-A-S-K or write a comment on our discord at discord.gg/HDTGM and I'll respond to your messages next week on Last Looks.
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[01:08:08] It helps us and we appreciate it. And last but not least, I gotta thank our entire team for who the show could not be done without. I'm talking about our producer, Scott Sonne, Molly Reynolds, our movie picking producer, Avaryl Halley, and our engineer Casey Holford. That's all I got people. See you next week on Last Looks. Bye for now.