A movie with flashbacks within flashbacks within flashbacks?! HDTGM all-star Nick Kroll returns to help Paul, Jason, & our space expert June Diane Raphael break down the 2001 sci-fi horror film John Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars starring Ice Cube, Natasha Henstridge, & a pre-bald Jason Statham. LIVE from Largo in L.A. they discuss the oxygen goggles, Big Daddy Mars' low boobs, if the Martians come from orca whales, flying a hot air balloon on Mars, the super slow train, Clea Duvall's beheading via circular saw blade, Ice Cube's Leeroy Jenkins moment, and so much more. Plus, June tells us about her recent encounter with a Geostorm and her struggle with shower loneliness.
A movie with flashbacks within flashbacks within flashbacks?! HDTGM all-star Nick Kroll returns to help Paul, Jason, & our space expert June Diane Raphael break down the 2001 sci-fi horror film John Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars starring Ice Cube, Natasha Henstridge, & a pre-bald Jason Statham. LIVE from Largo in L.A. they discuss the oxygen goggles, Big Daddy Mars' low boobs, if the Martians come from orca whales, flying a hot air balloon on Mars, the super slow train, Clea Duvall's beheading via circular saw blade, Ice Cube's Leeroy Jenkins moment, and so much more. Plus, June tells us about her recent encounter with a Geostorm and her struggle with shower loneliness.
[00:00:00] Paul Scheer: Get jacked and ready. Double tough because we saw John Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars. So you know what that means?
[00:00:17] Music: [Intro Song]
[00:00:46] Paul Scheer: Hello people of Earth! Welcome to How Did This Get Made. We are live in Los Angeles to talk about a movie that is very hard to say because it's got double plurals in it. John Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars as if there's been other Ghosts of Mars to distinguish it. You know they say in space no one can hear you scream, and this film, no one can hear you scream because they couldn't afford extras.
[00:01:25] Movie came out. 2001 to 23% on the tomato meter and oh, 25% on the audience score. Now you might be like, well, I didn't watch it. What is this movie about? Well, let me tell you, it is a movie that takes place in 2176 when a Martian police unit is sent to pick up a highly dangerous criminal at a remote mining planet.
[00:01:52] Upon arrival, the cops find that the post has become a charnel house. What is that? IMDB? What's a char? Anyone know what a charnel house is?
[00:02:01] Audience Member: Stores bombs.
[00:02:02] Paul Scheer: Oh, wow. IMDB fucking just say fucking martians are there. I don't charnel house. Well, thank you. Charnel house. That's really the best description of this movie.
[00:02:15] It leaves you wanting, like you could have said a million other things, char house, that actually probably the best description of a movie ever, or this movie. We're gonna break it all down. I mean, we're gonna take you through every moment of this film in order, unlike the film.
[00:02:38] A movie that has flashbacks within flashbacks. That's the way you do it. Now, to break down this movie, I have to introduce my co-host. Please welcome to the stage, Mr. Jason Mantzoukas!
[00:03:02] Jason Mantzoukas: What's up, jerks?! Yeah, let's go.
[00:03:09] Paul Scheer: Welcome, Jason.
[00:03:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, we're back in Largo.
[00:03:12] Paul Scheer: We are back in Largo to talk about a movie that takes place in a charnel house.
[00:03:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Holy shit. What the f. What even the fuck was this? This is a movie, maybe the first movie we've ever done that has flashbacks inside of flashbacks, inside of other character's flashbacks. This shit is fucking impossible.
[00:03:38] Paul Scheer: A movie that makes the bold move to do a dissolve as two characters walk two feet down a hallway.
[00:03:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:03:46] Paul Scheer: At some point someone's like, gotta make it quicker. They didn't even move down the hall. They just moved two feet faster.
[00:03:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Incredible. Stu, this was, I mean, and I, I think I'm, I can say this the very first time for the podcast that I've watched a movie on the Criterion Channel.
[00:04:05] Paul Scheer: It is.
[00:04:06] Jason Mantzoukas: This, this movie is, is on criterion right now.
[00:04:10] Paul Scheer: I want.
[00:04:11] Jason Mantzoukas: What?
[00:04:12] Paul Scheer: I wanna break down possibly why that is, but I need everyone out here to see their reaction. So let's bring out another fan of ghosts and John Carpenter. Please welcome.
[00:04:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Ghost of John Carpenter?
[00:04:27] Paul Scheer: The sequel. Please welcome June Diane Raphael!
[00:04:39] Welcome, June. How are you?
[00:04:41] June Diane Raphael: I'm well. How are you, Paul?
[00:04:43] Paul Scheer: I'm well. And you know, June, I just have to bring it up before we even start the show. Been a big fan of you on 9 1 1 because you're.
[00:04:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Obsessed. We were talking about a backstage. Obsessed.
[00:04:57] Paul Scheer: You are in 9 1 1 if you've not been watching in a geo storm.
[00:05:02] June Diane Raphael: That's correct.
[00:05:03] Paul Scheer: Not like a geo storm. You are in a geo storm. They say geo storm and you are in it. So.
[00:05:10] June Diane Raphael: And I just have to say, okay, I'm gonna be so for real right now. I, I've heard you, I was not on the geo storm episode, I wasn't at that show, and I, I know it became a big thing within the community and.
[00:05:27] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't like thinking about the community. Disconnect the discord.
[00:05:32] June Diane Raphael: I have to say. And I'm, I'm not afraid to be vulnerable right now, and honest, I never knew what it was.
[00:05:40] Paul Scheer: Wow.
[00:05:40] June Diane Raphael: And I, I knew people would shout it out at us. I, we shouted it at Jason when we saw him at a cafe and we shouted it from our minivan.
[00:05:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh. And I was, I didn't know it was them. And they did it for minutes.
[00:05:53] June Diane Raphael: Long time.
[00:05:54] Jason Mantzoukas: I was like, somebody fucking behind me is really pissing me off.
[00:05:56] Paul Scheer: Forced, forced you to turn around. We were the most annoying fans of you.
[00:06:01] Jason Mantzoukas: It was amazing.
[00:06:02] June Diane Raphael: So what's so wild is to now understand what it is.
[00:06:06] Paul Scheer: Mm-hmm.
[00:06:06] June Diane Raphael: And to actually be such a big part of it, you know, and to have to, to have to contend with it in the way that I do.
[00:06:13] Paul Scheer: We talked about a geo storm you live through.
[00:06:15] June Diane Raphael: Thank you.
[00:06:16] Paul Scheer: A geo.
[00:06:16] June Diane Raphael: Thank you.
[00:06:16] Jason Mantzoukas: I would argue that if anything deserves to be, uh, like a second look at.
[00:06:22] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:06:22] Jason Mantzoukas: It's Geo Storm with June on the episode.
[00:06:25] June Diane Raphael: Oh, that's interesting. I'd be happy to do it.
[00:06:27] Jason Mantzoukas: But sometimes people ask us, would you cover a movie again? Or something like that. I think the only way to do it is if you were not there and we just need those eyeballs on it.
[00:06:38] June Diane Raphael: Well, I will say Paul really hurt my feelings, Jason. 'Cause I said,
[00:06:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh no.
[00:06:40] June Diane Raphael: I was telling. I know. I was telling.
[00:06:43] Paul Scheer: Not the first time.
[00:06:43] June Diane Raphael: I was telling him about my work on the show and I said I'm gonna be a macronaut. It's sort of like a, um, what was that space? The Katy Perry, what was it called? Blue Origin.
[00:06:53] Paul Scheer: Blue Origin.
[00:06:53] June Diane Raphael: Sort of like that. And I said, it's really great. And then Paul saw the preview and he goes, you're in a geo storm? And I said, I guess I am. And he goes, that's why they cast you.
[00:07:10] Paul Scheer: No, I didn't say it like that.
[00:07:12] June Diane Raphael: Said it like that.
[00:07:12] Paul Scheer: I didn't say it like that.
[00:07:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, they're hoping to get that How Did This Get Made bump.
[00:07:18] June Diane Raphael: They wanted the community.
[00:07:19] Paul Scheer: The most popular show on tv. I just is saying that if you are making.
[00:07:23] June Diane Raphael: You said that's why they cast you. And I said, well, I think my body of work speaks for itself.
[00:07:28] Paul Scheer: But I.
[00:07:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:07:29] Paul Scheer: True.
[00:07:29] June Diane Raphael: Thank, thank you. Community members.
[00:07:32] Paul Scheer: Of course. Now, without any further ado, we've made our triumphant return to Largo and we could not do it without a true, How Did This Get Made All Star. You know this gentlemen from his tremendously amazing body of work that includes, uh, shows like Big Mouth and the League. Please welcome Mr. Nick Kroll!
[00:08:11] Welcome, welcome back, Nick.
[00:08:15] Nick Kroll: Am i?
[00:08:16] Paul Scheer: You are.
[00:08:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Nick's mic's not on.
[00:08:18] Paul Scheer: Wait, let's see. Is it, if it's not on here, I got, I got a backup mic over here. Let's see if we can give you that. All right. How's that work?
[00:08:23] Nick Kroll: Uh, good. I, sorry, I was just talking about the Riyad Comedy Festival.
[00:08:26] Paul Scheer: Um, by the way, you were great. I got to watch your set. Thank you. I bought the pay-per-view of the whole event. It was really fun.
[00:08:37] Jason Mantzoukas: It was so funny. Heads were rolling. Um, I'm back, baby.
[00:08:49] Paul Scheer: Ghost of Mars. A movie that I watched twice. Because.
[00:08:54] June Diane Raphael: What?
[00:08:54] Jason Mantzoukas: What?
[00:08:54] Paul Scheer: Yeah, because at one point I was like, am I missing something? And.
[00:09:00] Jason Mantzoukas: I, I wonder that every movie we do.
[00:09:03] Paul Scheer: And I think kind of yes and kind of no. And I wanna answer this thing. Jason said he watched it on the Criterion, uh, channel. Right? You can get that on the, you know, the app. It's a great service. I love it.
[00:09:13] June Diane Raphael: I didn't know movies like this, I thought, okay.
[00:09:16] Jason Mantzoukas: I'm just as shocked as you were.
[00:09:18] June Diane Raphael: Okay. I didn't know.
[00:09:19] Paul Scheer: Well, uh, you might be surprised, a little fun fact that Luca Guadagnino the, you know, director of Challengers, Call Me By Your Name, included John Carpenter's Ghost of Mars on his New York Times list of the 10 best movies of the 21st Century.
[00:09:35] Jason Mantzoukas: What? What are you talking about?
[00:09:38] Paul Scheer: Just wanna throw it out there.
[00:09:40] Jason Mantzoukas: 'Cause that's, that's genuinely heartbreaking.
[00:09:44] Paul Scheer: So it's an, it's, it's an odd one and I found that in my little bit of research. It's a movie that people really go to bat for and then other people are like, I am severing ties with you because of this opinion.
[00:09:56] Nick Kroll: Mm-hmm.
[00:09:57] June Diane Raphael: What could, what could those people be saying? Well, I, I mean, here's I think what, what is, there's.
[00:10:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Here's the thing.
[00:10:05] June Diane Raphael: There's nothing to go to bat for.
[00:10:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, it, it, there is certain, I feel like this movie gets maybe a pass from people simply because at the very least it's a John Carpenter movie. So you've got.
[00:10:16] Nick Kroll: Well, how do you, but how do you know that it's a John Carpenter movie?
[00:10:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh. Because my guy's gonna tell you every time you look at the, the title.
[00:10:24] Paul Scheer: We've gotta make sure that there's people do not get confused. This is John Carpenter's
[00:10:29] Jason Mantzoukas: The Butler Marks.
[00:10:30] Nick Kroll: Yeah.
[00:10:31] Paul Scheer: I, uh, I'm always wary of movies where they drop a bunch of exposition before I know I'm supposed to pay attention.
[00:10:38] Nick Kroll: Yeah.
[00:10:38] Paul Scheer: Like, I'm like, oh wait, I didn't hear any of that. I just watched that now. And then I went back and rewound it and yes, it's 2176. Uh, Mars has been terraformed and it has a matriarchal society, which doesn't seem to play into.
[00:10:52] June Diane Raphael: No.
[00:10:52] Paul Scheer: Much of anything else.
[00:10:54] Nick Kroll: Nope.
[00:10:55] Paul Scheer: In the film. But the panel is all women.
[00:10:58] Nick Kroll: It's all women. So. There you go.
[00:11:06] Paul Scheer: Check. Done. We did it. Yeah. There, there is. Uh, and the movie, you know, the movie starts off like all great space movies, techno music, and a train.
[00:11:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh.
[00:11:18] June Diane Raphael: A train. I wanna talk, I guess that's, I'd like to start with the train, if that's okay.
[00:11:22] Paul Scheer: Sure.
[00:11:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Please.
[00:11:23] June Diane Raphael: And I'm going to, I'm just gonna jump to the end real quick because.
[00:11:27] Paul Scheer: Just like the movie.
[00:11:27] June Diane Raphael: I was amazed. Yep, that's right. Right. There's so many flashbacks within flashbacks. Within flashbacks. It's hard to kinda keep track of where we were, but at the point where we really need that train to move, like we, we gotta get the fuck out of there. I'm like, wow, in this future we've, we have the technology to go to Mars, but we don't have the technology to make trains go faster than four miles an hour.
[00:11:50] Jason Mantzoukas: None. None of the transportation moves faster than, I'm gonna say a bird scooter.
[00:11:56] June Diane Raphael: Yes.
[00:11:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Like everything, when they are, when they finally managed to get in the transport and all they need to do is drive to the train, it should be like, but they are so slow, easily swarmed by slow moving.
[00:12:08] June Diane Raphael: And you know what I thought, can I say something? Because I just was in space, Nick, if you'll allow, allow me. If you'll allow me.
[00:12:15] Nick Kroll: I wanted, I wanted your expert if opinion on this.
[00:12:18] June Diane Raphael: I could be a woman on a panel for a second.
[00:12:20] Nick Kroll: Sure.
[00:12:22] June Diane Raphael: I, I, I. I, everything was moving so slowly in the transportation that I did think, is this a gravity issue?
[00:12:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Mm-hmm.
[00:12:31] June Diane Raphael: Is this, are we not able to push, for some reason.
[00:12:36] Paul Scheer: A gravity issue that would allow a train to move slow, but a hot air balloon to stay on track, no problem. Hot air balloon on Mars.
[00:12:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. I loved that. I loved it. I'm also having so much trouble figuring out when do they need breathing help and when do they not need breathing help?
[00:12:55] Nick Kroll: That was a, they explained that early on, right? With one sentence. And then.
[00:13:00] Paul Scheer: They, they say something about the go. They say something about the oxygen, uh, oxygen goggles there. I, uh, let's see here. I can play the little clip here.
[00:13:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Oxygen goggles. Does sound like a Bob D item.
[00:13:10] Nick Kroll: I was gonna say, oxygen goggles.
[00:13:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Oxygen goggles.
[00:13:15] Movie Audio: Rookies use your breathers. We're not gonna have air like Earth for 10 more years. Let's go.
[00:13:20] Jason Mantzoukas: 10 more years?
[00:13:22] Nick Kroll: And the goggles are.
[00:13:25] Paul Scheer: They don't cover the nose.
[00:13:26] Nick Kroll: Oh, right. They just, just call the glasses, breathers.
[00:13:30] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:13:31] Jason Mantzoukas: The glasses.
[00:13:32] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:13:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Are breathers? Come on now.
[00:13:35] Paul Scheer: And this is all they kind of say is like.
[00:13:38] Movie Audio: You'll get used to it. Two years ago we were still wearing full face breathers. Yeah. It takes about a month to get over the headaches out here.
[00:13:46] Huh?
[00:13:46] Paul Scheer: I mean.
[00:13:47] Jason Mantzoukas: What?
[00:13:48] Paul Scheer: I just think to why did the breathers just stay over the eyes? Like just gimme a little thing over the nose. Give me, you know, anything.
[00:13:56] Nick Kroll: Well, I guess June as someone again, I'm, who has spent a lot of time at this point in space.
[00:14:02] June Diane Raphael: Go ahead.
[00:14:03] Nick Kroll: Um. Is it possible that more oxygen is passed through the eyeballs and eye sockets?
[00:14:10] June Diane Raphael: It's interesting.
[00:14:10] Nick Kroll: Then through the respiratory, natural, what we would think of as respiratory system.
[00:14:14] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. I mean, as far as I know, the eyes are, they're an opening to the body, so it's a good question.
[00:14:18] Paul Scheer: That I'm gonna write that down.
[00:14:19] June Diane Raphael: So it's possible.
[00:14:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Connected to your lungs at all?
[00:14:21] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. That's such a good question. I'm, I'm sure I'm, I'm sure you could breathe through your eyes in the future.
[00:14:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Mm-hmm. True.
[00:14:30] June Diane Raphael: You know.
[00:14:31] Nick Kroll: I have a related question, June.
[00:14:32] June Diane Raphael: What's up?
[00:14:33] Nick Kroll: If you ever brush your teeth in the shower and you get a little toothpaste on your finger and then you mistakenly rub your eye. Do you think the eye tastes the mint?
[00:14:44] June Diane Raphael: I don't know about that, but you can smell through your eyes. I know that.
[00:14:48] Nick Kroll: There you go. There we go. So that's why it's the breathers.
[00:14:51] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:14:51] Jason Mantzoukas: I think, I think only lunatics brush their teeth in the shower.
[00:14:54] June Diane Raphael: I, by the way, I,
[00:14:55] Paul Scheer: I never.
[00:14:56] June Diane Raphael: I totally agree.
[00:14:57] Paul Scheer: Never been on board with that. I didn't understand it. I don't get it.
[00:14:59] Nick Kroll: I do it all the time.
[00:15:00] Paul Scheer: Really?
[00:15:00] Nick Kroll: I smoke, I smoke cigars in there.
[00:15:04] Paul Scheer: Well, you, I mean, you are talking to a person who has decorated our shower to be less lonely.
[00:15:11] June Diane Raphael: I get lonely in there. And it's, to me, it's a long time to spend with your own thoughts. So I, I was on a very strange TikTok algorithm about just like people who struggle with, and I'm very hygienic, but struggle with that time.
[00:15:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Shower loneliness? It's another Bob Duca mallody. Shower loneliness.
[00:15:30] June Diane Raphael: It was a very strange, uh, wormhole I was in. But, but a lot of people suggested bringing.
[00:15:37] Jason Mantzoukas: A lot of people?
[00:15:39] June Diane Raphael: Bringing plants in.
[00:15:40] Nick Kroll: Sure.
[00:15:40] June Diane Raphael: And then, and then I found a small lamp.
[00:15:44] Paul Scheer: A lamp.
[00:15:45] June Diane Raphael: And I realized I can put a candle in here. And so now I have a lamp, lovely little lamp on a shelf. And then I built another shelf. There's a candle on there that on.
[00:15:56] Paul Scheer: Some crystals.
[00:15:57] June Diane Raphael: Some crystals. Yeah.
[00:15:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Some crystals. A Billy crystal stand.
[00:16:02] Paul Scheer: All I do is bump into things in the shower. I am, it, I, anytime I lift my arm, I'm knocking over shelves, lamps are falling on me.
[00:16:12] I, I have been, my movement is constricted. I, I have to.
[00:16:17] Jason Mantzoukas: It does sound like a very crowded shower.
[00:16:20] Paul Scheer: I literally raised my hand the other day and punched that shelf so hard. I was like, ah. And I'm like, now I'm hurt in the shower.
[00:16:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Do you, do you listen to anything in the shower?
[00:16:30] June Diane Raphael: Yes, I do listen to my podcast friends, of course.
[00:16:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. Okay.
[00:16:33] Nick Kroll: You listen to your own podcast?
[00:16:35] June Diane Raphael: Yes. To the sounds of Jessica St. Clair, Jason Mantzoukas.
[00:16:43] Paul Scheer: Here's the thing I'll say about this movie. Yeah. The breathers, whatever. I'm more concerned on why Natasha Hendrich wears a nice sweater that gets, it looks like she wakes up as a catalog model. She has just been in knife fights with ghosts. Humans.
[00:17:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Mutants, I don't know, something.
[00:17:03] Paul Scheer: She has the smallest, uh, nick on her neck, like as if she was shaving. Uh, and, and yet her sweater is pristine.
[00:17:12] Nick Kroll: Mm-hmm.
[00:17:12] Paul Scheer: And she seems to not have any real gear on top of it. Sometimes the sweater's on, sometimes she's wearing a jacket, but that's sweater.
[00:17:18] June Diane Raphael: It's more of a long sleeve tee.
[00:17:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:17:20] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:17:21] June Diane Raphael: Than a sweater.
[00:17:22] Paul Scheer: Yeah. A mock turtleneck.
[00:17:23] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. I mean, I, what I wanted to really know about her was what drug is she taking?
[00:17:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:17:29] Paul Scheer: Clear.
[00:17:29] June Diane Raphael: What is that? Clear? I'm sorry.
[00:17:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, is that what it's called? Called Clear.
[00:17:32] Nick Kroll: Okay.
[00:17:32] Jason Mantzoukas: But what I have it here listed as TSA pre. Worth it.
[00:17:42] Paul Scheer: That was pretty good.
[00:17:44] Nick Kroll: Uh, she is weirdly kind of dressed like a clear employee, right?
[00:17:49] Paul Scheer: Yeah. She feels formal, but she's not wearing a uniform, and I like that.
[00:17:52] Jason Mantzoukas: I would love to know what, wait, Paul, can you tell me.
[00:17:56] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:17:56] Jason Mantzoukas: If you have it in there. How many years is this from the movie Aliens?
[00:18:01] Paul Scheer: Well, this came out.
[00:18:01] Jason Mantzoukas: This movie is so heavily
[00:18:03] Paul Scheer: 2001.
[00:18:05] Jason Mantzoukas: What?
[00:18:05] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:18:05] Nick Kroll: Yeah.
[00:18:05] Paul Scheer: This, when this movie came out.
[00:18:06] Jason Mantzoukas: This movie came out in the two thousands?
[00:18:07] Paul Scheer: 2001.
[00:18:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, wow.
[00:18:09] Nick Kroll: This movie came out in August, 2001.
[00:18:12] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:18:12] Nick Kroll: It's fair to say it's responsible for 9/11.
[00:18:15] June Diane Raphael: I think so.
[00:18:17] Paul Scheer: They saw it and they were like, that's it. We gotta go in there. We gotta shake shit up.
[00:18:21] Nick Kroll: They've reached the pinnacle of their culture.
[00:18:23] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:18:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Every, everything, everything was going fine on those flights, but they played this movie on the inflight and.
[00:18:29] Paul Scheer: We expected more from John Carpenter.
[00:18:32] June Diane Raphael: I will say that there's a time period between 2000 and 2010 that I feel like we can't accept movies on this podcast came out during that decade.
[00:18:43] Jason Mantzoukas: It's true.
[00:18:43] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. It's never, not absolutely shocking.
[00:18:46] Jason Mantzoukas: It's this movie felt, I genuinely felt like you were gonna say, like, this movie came out in 1987.
[00:18:53] Paul Scheer: Well, I also will say, you know, as a bald man, always watching bald people, how they've made their choices.
[00:18:57] Nick Kroll: Yeah.
[00:18:58] Paul Scheer: And what a great choice for Jason Statham to be like, no, no, no. Get this fucking peach fuzz outta here.
[00:19:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:19:03] June Diane Raphael: Oh man.
[00:19:04] Paul Scheer: I gotta shave this dome because it does not. That kind of bald.
[00:19:07] Jason Mantzoukas: It's so rare.
[00:19:08] Paul Scheer: Does not look good.
[00:19:09] Jason Mantzoukas: It's so rare to see him with that much hair. So much so that you see it thinning.
[00:19:14] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:19:14] Jason Mantzoukas: You know, you're like, oh wow, there it is.
[00:19:16] Paul Scheer: Oh yeah. He's a, he's a man that is going bald like it is. It is. A lot of it is left town. It's also his first onscreen kiss. So.
[00:19:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh wow.
[00:19:26] Paul Scheer: You know, he's getting close.
[00:19:27] Jason Mantzoukas: And that's because you keep that, you still keep that website.
[00:19:30] Paul Scheer: I keep a website called First Kiss and Last Bald, so, uh, it's before you go full bald and yeah, First Kiss Last Bald is, it's a beautiful website.
[00:19:44] Jason Mantzoukas: It's bonfire of the Vanity.
[00:19:46] Nick Kroll: I, I wish this became the future of Jump the Shark. It's one of those, you know what I mean? It's one of those first kiss last balds where.
[00:19:53] Jason Mantzoukas: When they went to space, it was totally first kiss, last bald.
[00:19:57] Paul Scheer: But this cast is like all of my favorite people.
[00:20:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Bangers.
[00:20:02] Paul Scheer: Like a hundred percent. And none of them seem to be excited to be there. Ultimately. I did read an interesting fact that this was written as a sequel to Escape from, uh, New York Escape from LA.
[00:20:15] Nick Kroll: Yeah.
[00:20:15] Paul Scheer: And this would be Escape from Mars,
[00:20:17] Nick Kroll: But I, I was, I did almost zero research.
[00:20:20] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:20:20] Nick Kroll: To be told by someone else who did research.
[00:20:23] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:20:23] Nick Kroll: That, that is not true.
[00:20:25] Paul Scheer: Oh, good. I'm glad. Well, there we go.
[00:20:27] Nick Kroll: Blank Check. Blank Check said it was not true. That's who I heard it on.
[00:20:31] Paul Scheer: Alright.
[00:20:31] Nick Kroll: 'Cause I was trying to do research to do this podcast.
[00:20:35] Jason Mantzoukas: And you're, and you're listening to the Blank Check podcast?
[00:20:38] Nick Kroll: Yeah. It's so great.
[00:20:39] Jason Mantzoukas: You're a, you're a blanky?
[00:20:40] Nick Kroll: I, I'm sorry if I could do this. You guys at a ho. I mean to you guys here in the theater, you, you're stuck here. But if you're listening to this podcast at home.
[00:20:49] Paul Scheer: No, don't, no.
[00:20:49] Nick Kroll: Go check out the Blank Check.
[00:20:50] June Diane Raphael: No, no, no. Wait a second. Wait a second.
[00:20:52] Nick Kroll: Take on, go.
[00:20:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait a second. Listen, if you're gonna listen to it, listen to maybe the Used Car episode.
[00:20:58] Paul Scheer: Yeah, yeah. Jason and I are on that. That's a good one.
[00:21:01] Nick Kroll: Um, but if you like to Used Car episode, check out their Blank Check episode.
[00:21:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, the episode about Blank Check the movie? Blank check?
[00:21:09] Nick Kroll: Yeah.
[00:21:10] Paul Scheer: I will say Ice Cube is dressed like snake. Yes, he is wearing the same black top.
[00:21:16] Nick Kroll: Um, I, I thought you were gonna say and, but Ice Cube is, he's Grace under fire in this movie.
[00:21:24] Paul Scheer: This is, I mean, and I do feel like this movie, the characters I love are so dumb, and I think that that's why I don't like them at all, because they walk into this town that is so aggressively a ghost town. Like there's no signs of life, and they're like, oh, people must be partying on the inside of these buildings. Like, no, no.
[00:21:46] Jason Mantzoukas: They're a military unit. They are the police rather. Yeah, they are. They are all kitted out. They don't show any tactical acumen whatsoever. They don't have a plan. They don't know what, they never make a plan. They are free styling at every turn, and every single one of them dies except for, uh, Natasha Hendrich, right?
[00:22:08] June Diane Raphael: Yes.
[00:22:09] Paul Scheer: Who is, I guess her secret weapon is being super high.
[00:22:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. Which in that moment give everybody those drugs.
[00:22:18] June Diane Raphael: Yes. Well, it's weird 'cause she doesn't, but that's not even her superpower because Jason Statham gives them to her and like stuffs it down her mouth.
[00:22:28] Paul Scheer: Oh right.
[00:22:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:22:29] June Diane Raphael: Like she doesn't think to do that.
[00:22:31] Jason Mantzoukas: No.
[00:22:31] June Diane Raphael: And they don't think to take 'em for themselves.
[00:22:34] Jason Mantzoukas: Nope. They just put it in her mouth and then lock her outside, I think. But then the other thing is this, to your point, Paul, about how dumb people are, how dumb this unit is. Even long after they've figured out that if they kill someone who's got a ghost inside of them, the ghost exits and goes into someone else.
[00:22:52] Probably one of them.
[00:22:54] Paul Scheer: Well, whoever's in front of them.
[00:22:55] Jason Mantzoukas: They still are just killing people. They're just killing people, letting all the ghosts loose. Contain them. Contain the ghosts. That's it.
[00:23:04] June Diane Raphael: Well, but they are in a hard, they're, they're sort of between a rock and a hard place, Jason. Because, because if they don't kill them, they will be killed by them.
[00:23:13] Paul Scheer: They need, well, no, Clea Duval kills that man who is in a cell. He not doing anything. And then she's like, my guys, I gotta shoot this guy. Which is true police brutality. Like in that moment, maybe there's a remedy, maybe there's a cure. He was not doing, he wasn't almost out. And then when they say like, why'd you do that? She's like, fuck this guy. Fuck him.
[00:23:34] Jason Mantzoukas: She goes, fuck this guy. Crazy.
[00:23:38] Nick Kroll: I also, uh, I texted Clia Duvall you about this. Yeah.
[00:23:42] Paul Scheer: Oh, oh, wow.
[00:23:42] Nick Kroll: So I did a lot. What I'm saying is I did a.
[00:23:44] June Diane Raphael: Well, you did a lot of research.
[00:23:45] Nick Kroll: Prep for this.
[00:23:45] Paul Scheer: Wow. You got in a lot of, yeah.
[00:23:47] Nick Kroll: Um, and I watched almost half the movie. Um, she said, uh, she had a blast.
[00:23:54] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:23:54] Nick Kroll: Making it. Two months in the desert.
[00:23:57] Paul Scheer: Great. Night shoots.
[00:23:58] Nick Kroll: Nothing. John Carpenter didn't like to shoot early. Didn't like to get going before 11.
[00:24:02] Paul Scheer: They said that. Yeah, he, I love it. Required night shoots because he's a night person.
[00:24:06] Nick Kroll: Yeah.
[00:24:06] Paul Scheer: And so when they were shooting nights and it was night out, that made sense. But then when they moved back to LA he's like, well, we're gonna keep that night schedule. Well, we're on sets. He was like, I'm a night person.
[00:24:16] Nick Kroll: Well, he did the music and music business people tend to be night. They really like to make.
[00:24:21] June Diane Raphael: Their they're night people.
[00:24:22] Nick Kroll: They're night owls, right?
[00:24:23] Paul Scheer: Yeah. People, he did do the music on this movie.
[00:24:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, he does the music on all of his movies.
[00:24:26] Paul Scheer: Yes. And he called in like a, like a crazy crew of people to like, help him out from like Anthrax and Guns N Roses and Bucket Head, you know, like, and the cars, like he had, he.
[00:24:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Here's what I'll say, John Carpenter still tours. I believe he's playing here. He just played in a couple, or did he just play or is it just, okay, so like, these are iconic soundtracks and to see him play them live is bananas. So.
[00:24:50] Paul Scheer: It's great. He's even made soundtracks for movies that he hasn't made.
[00:24:54] June Diane Raphael: Lemme ask a question about the ghosts.
[00:24:55] Paul Scheer: That's true. It's not, it sounds like a joke, but it's true.
[00:24:58] June Diane Raphael: Lemme ask a question about the ghost for a second. Um, to the group, to the panel.
[00:25:01] Paul Scheer: The ghosts of Mars?
[00:25:03] June Diane Raphael: Is it the ghosts of Mars or the ghost of Mars?
[00:25:07] Paul Scheer: No. Ghosts. It's John Carpenter's Ghosts.
[00:25:11] June Diane Raphael: Ghosts of Mars.
[00:25:12] Nick Kroll: I still don't know what, which, what, what the answer was. Is there an astronaut, is it a plural or no?
[00:25:19] Paul Scheer: A plural.
[00:25:20] Nick Kroll: It's okay.
[00:25:20] Paul Scheer: They multiple ghosts.
[00:25:21] Jason Mantzoukas: It's, it's a possessive and a plural.
[00:25:24] Paul Scheer: So yeah. John Carpenter's ghosts.
[00:25:26] June Diane Raphael: Ghost, right? Because they belong to him?
[00:25:28] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:25:28] Jason Mantzoukas: They're not, they're not his ghost, but is it John Carpenter's ghost of Mars?
[00:25:35] Nick Kroll: Or is it John Carpenter's ghosts of Mars, as if the of Mars belong to the ghosts.
[00:25:42] Paul Scheer: Like so ghosts. Oh. I mean, this is something, maybe that's why Lu Guino likes it so much, just.
[00:25:53] Jason Mantzoukas: The layers.
[00:25:54] Paul Scheer: So many questions.
[00:25:55] June Diane Raphael: Well, I guess this does go to my question 'cause I didn't know. Ultimately we find out that the scientists with the spiky hair who arrived via weather balloon was.
[00:26:06] Paul Scheer: And whether weather balloon blows up by the way, they, I guess they shot it once. They're like, can we just like loop it back? Like they rewind it and fast forward it to make it look longer like boop, like.
[00:26:19] June Diane Raphael: So she let go of, she found that tunnel and opened the Pandora's box. Yeah, the tunnel that seemed like it was very nicely designed. Had a nice aesthetic to it.
[00:26:31] Paul Scheer: Did you say she opens a tunnel. That just it, it is beautiful. Looks nice, but you're like, not human made.
[00:26:37] Nick Kroll: Yeah. It looks.
[00:26:38] Paul Scheer: Well. It looks human made.
[00:26:39] Nick Kroll: It looks pretty human.
[00:26:40] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:26:40] Nick Kroll: That was the thought I had. I was like, wow, aliens are just like us.
[00:26:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Except that when they talk it sounds like (gibberish).
[00:26:51] June Diane Raphael: Okay, so that's my question actually. Like Jason, I don't know. And I actually, my interpretation and my reading was that actually, 'cause we did get to see, I think. We, we saw the ghost point of view in the Red Ghost cam.
[00:27:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:27:06] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:27:07] June Diane Raphael: And where we got
[00:27:08] Paul Scheer: Ghost cam.
[00:27:09] June Diane Raphael: Where we got to follow, we got to be, it felt like were the ghost.
[00:27:13] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't know about you, but I felt chills.
[00:27:15] June Diane Raphael: Okay.
[00:27:15] Paul Scheer: Is it, is it a ghost, ghost cam or is it red because they've ripped off people's faces and the blood from the skin of the faces is?
[00:27:24] June Diane Raphael: Oh.
[00:27:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Ew.
[00:27:26] Paul Scheer: That's in the movie. I'm not being gross.
[00:27:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, I assumed it was red because the mist is red.
[00:27:32] Paul Scheer: Oh.
[00:27:32] Jason Mantzoukas: And the red, isn't Mars the red planet?
[00:27:34] June Diane Raphael: Mars is the red planet. I know that from some of my work and the solar system.
[00:27:38] Paul Scheer: No spoilers.
[00:27:40] June Diane Raphael: I, I what I, I felt when we were in the ghost cam that it was rather peaceful and the, the lens, it wasn't moving so frantically we were kind of tracking and smooth movements, but then when we saw the humans possessed by the ghost, they were acting a fool.
[00:28:05] They were crazy chaos monsters.
[00:28:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Filing their teeth.
[00:28:09] June Diane Raphael: No, no. I don't even, I can't even, I actually can't talk about what, no, Jason, I can't talk about what they were doing.
[00:28:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Just like what?
[00:28:15] June Diane Raphael: I can't talk about what they were doing.
[00:28:17] Jason Mantzoukas: How did they find so many files?
[00:28:19] June Diane Raphael: But it felt like, it felt.
[00:28:21] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean, I guess it's a mining colony.
[00:28:23] June Diane Raphael: It felt like they were.
[00:28:26] Paul Scheer: They were piercing cheeks.
[00:28:27] June Diane Raphael: They were still.
[00:28:28] Jason Mantzoukas: They're piercing, piercing fingers.
[00:28:30] June Diane Raphael: I hate them so much. But it didn't feel like that was the ghost.
[00:28:37] Paul Scheer: Right. The ghost.
[00:28:38] June Diane Raphael: That's not the ghost.
[00:28:39] Jason Mantzoukas: The ghosts take over these miners, uh, hundreds and hundreds of miners. Yeah, so many miners. Um, the ghosts take them over. But yes, I agree with what June, the sentiment, which is why did the ghosts, we never see, do we ever see, I don't think representation of the martians of the past, right?
[00:29:00] Paul Scheer: No.
[00:29:01] Jason Mantzoukas: No. So are we to assume that the filing of the teeth.
[00:29:04] Nick Kroll: We do. In Natasha in the flashback when in, in her flashback, when she takes the drug, I feel like, like she goes in, you get you get it there story a little bit.
[00:29:13] Jason Mantzoukas: You don't think she's seeing the?
[00:29:15] Nick Kroll: You see the form and, and the form doesn't not look.
[00:29:19] Jason Mantzoukas: 'Cause the, the ghosts have. The ghosts.
[00:29:24] Paul Scheer: And we do have, we can watch and see if we can make.
[00:29:26] Jason Mantzoukas: By the way, this is a masturbation scene.
[00:29:28] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, I guess it is a sweater, Paul. It is a sweater.
[00:29:30] Jason Mantzoukas: This is exclusively a masturbation scene.
[00:29:35] Paul Scheer: Alright, so we're seeing some, right?
[00:29:36] Nick Kroll: So there, this was when they were pirates and conquistadors.
[00:29:43] Jason Mantzoukas: So hot. So hot.
[00:29:44] June Diane Raphael: What is that?
[00:29:45] Jason Mantzoukas: What was that?
[00:29:45] Paul Scheer: Fish people. Fish people.
[00:29:47] Nick Kroll: That was fish people?
[00:29:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, what's that?
[00:29:49] Paul Scheer: Looks like a shark. Looked like a shark.
[00:29:50] Jason Mantzoukas: What? Oh yeah.
[00:29:51] June Diane Raphael: What's that?
[00:29:52] Paul Scheer: They look like there's some fish people in.
[00:29:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Can we frame by frame?
[00:29:54] Paul Scheer: Oh yeah. That's a fish person.
[00:29:56] June Diane Raphael: That was just a martian. That was, that was an alien.
[00:29:59] Jason Mantzoukas: That was for sure, Abe Sapien.
[00:30:00] Paul Scheer: This was, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
[00:30:02] Nick Kroll: I, I believe this is the, the fishman from the Shape of Water's First movie.
[00:30:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah. Also, also Abe Sapien. Yeah. Oh yeah, that looked like a cat, an orca.
[00:30:14] June Diane Raphael: Go back off to just.
[00:30:14] Jason Mantzoukas: There's a definitely an orca in there.
[00:30:16] Paul Scheer: Yeah, there's.
[00:30:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Right there. That's an orca.
[00:30:17] Paul Scheer: Yeah, that is. That's a shark.
[00:30:19] Jason Mantzoukas: That's an orca for sure.
[00:30:22] Paul Scheer: What? That's a shark or an orca? That's orca. Yeah.
[00:30:25] Jason Mantzoukas: What is happening?
[00:30:27] Paul Scheer: And Mars is, Mars notably, does not have a lot of water.
[00:30:31] Jason Mantzoukas: And doesn't it seem like this is what she's thinking about while she jerks off?
[00:30:35] Nick Kroll: Yeah.
[00:30:36] Paul Scheer: Orca. Oh, Orca.
[00:30:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, Orca lizard guy. There we go.
[00:30:42] Paul Scheer: All the water splash
[00:30:43] Jason Mantzoukas: What's interesting is why do the martians have such a memory of water on a waterless planet? Is it just that that's how old it is?
[00:30:52] June Diane Raphael: Probably, yeah.
[00:30:53] Nick Kroll: Because fucking Jason, when back in the day Mars was all water and when it exploded, all of the orcas got shot to Earth.
[00:31:07] June Diane Raphael: I think you're right, Nick.
[00:31:09] Nick Kroll: Leaving just the red clay behind, you fucking idiot.
[00:31:15] Paul Scheer: Wow.
[00:31:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.
[00:31:16] Paul Scheer: You know, and this is why.
[00:31:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Fuck.
[00:31:18] Paul Scheer: I'm glad you listened to Blank Check. 'Cause this is kind of the facts that we needed. We don't get fact-checked enough.
[00:31:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.
[00:31:26] Paul Scheer: And now we get it. I will say this.
[00:31:29] Jason Mantzoukas: You know, we get away with too much. Nick. Nick, thank you for coming on the show and setting us straight.
[00:31:36] Paul Scheer: Talking some orca truth. I will say, um, the big leader, uh, which you know, is out of body proportion from everyone else. Where did he come from? Like did they, did he just be like.
[00:31:51] Jason Mantzoukas: It's just a miner, right?
[00:31:53] Paul Scheer: A giant ass miner? Everyone else is like a human. He's like, I'll find this weird fucking creature and I'll be him.
[00:31:59] Jason Mantzoukas: I think that's gotta be it. What other reason is there?
[00:32:03] June Diane Raphael: That guy is an alien.
[00:32:05] Paul Scheer: He's gotta be.
[00:32:06] June Diane Raphael: If we see a picture of his chest Paul, it seems like he has low boobs.
[00:32:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, what he's got what num what num what he, I believe he has like a human jaw.
[00:32:19] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:32:19] Jason Mantzoukas: But they all have, they're all wearing parts of other people, which make them seem, oh, like, um, uh, like there's the woman who has hands as a bra. Right. Some other person's hands are have, right.
[00:32:34] Paul Scheer: Oh, it was very like a cult, like a nod to Janet Jackson?
[00:32:36] June Diane Raphael: I thought someone was holding her boobs. Can I, okay.
[00:32:39] Nick Kroll: Can I say if I were one of them, I would've taken Pam Greer's boobs and made 'em my own.
[00:32:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. You can say that, Nick.
[00:32:47] June Diane Raphael: You can say that.
[00:32:48] Nick Kroll: Can I say that?
[00:32:48] June Diane Raphael: I don't like you looking at me so intensely and like holding eyes saying it, but you can say it.
[00:32:55] Nick Kroll: Okay.
[00:32:55] Paul Scheer: Now, by the way, Pam Greer killed, offscreen a major character. We don't see a death. We just kind of left to be like, what happened? And then all of a sudden we just watch her head just be put on a pike, which apparently was done practically into much pain of Pam Greer.
[00:33:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, she actually had to get beheaded?
[00:33:15] Paul Scheer: Well, they, they had to, they built a very special rig for her, and it was apparently incredibly painful. But yet they were able to create all the other heads next to her for no, like.
[00:33:25] June Diane Raphael: See here's the thing. There's certain, certain choices. There were a couple choices that were made in this movie that I absolutely loved.
[00:33:32] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:33:32] June Diane Raphael: And I loved that we didn't see her death. I loved that we had to paint a picture for ourselves based on her final expression in her resting place, which was.
[00:33:47] Paul Scheer: Just a.
[00:33:48] June Diane Raphael: I laughed. So hard that her face was, it was so funny.
[00:33:55] Paul Scheer: Did you, she was hitting on Natasha Hendrick, right?
[00:33:58] Nick Kroll: Yeah.
[00:33:59] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:33:59] June Diane Raphael: She was sexually harassing her, and that's why.
[00:34:01] Paul Scheer: Okay. So thank you.
[00:34:02] June Diane Raphael: That's why the commentary on like, oh, it's a matriarchal society was tough for me because I felt like they were trying to say like, you guys are just as fucked up.
[00:34:12] Nick Kroll: Mm-hmm.
[00:34:13] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:34:13] June Diane Raphael: And I was like.
[00:34:14] Paul Scheer: Well, clearly these women's didn't solve the problem of Ghosts of Mars. They just let it happen.
[00:34:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. That's what happens in a matriarchy. The ghosts take over all the gigantic mutant miners.
[00:34:27] Paul Scheer: At the end of the court case, the person's like, I guess we just say what? There were ghost on Mars. Guilty.
[00:34:42] Jason Mantzoukas: When the guy, when the guy chopped his own thumb off trying to open the can.
[00:34:48] Paul Scheer: Best scene in the movie.
[00:34:49] Jason Mantzoukas: I was like, what on earth are we on?
[00:34:52] June Diane Raphael: That's what I'm saying.
[00:34:53] Nick Kroll: Was that because he took his, like, his like nitrous?
[00:34:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:34:56] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:34:56] Jason Mantzoukas: He also blew himself up with a hand grenade.
[00:34:59] Paul Scheer: I, but I thought that like I, yes, he had the nitrous, but I also thought he was just trying to impress somebody and just messed up. Like, I feel like when you were a kid, didn't you ever try to do that thing that they did in aliens or you put the knife between your fingers and stuff like that? Uh, I just feel like he was trying to, he was trying to.
[00:35:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait. I feel like you were setting yourself up for a story. Did you do that?
[00:35:17] Paul Scheer: I mean, yeah, I did it, but like I got all five. Um. But, uh, it was, you know, I had one of those, uh, those knives that had like the retractable bla like
[00:35:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Sure.
[00:35:29] Paul Scheer: The retractable blade.
[00:35:30] Nick Kroll: Yeah.
[00:35:30] Paul Scheer: So we did that a lot at lunch and then, you know, and you would, you would hit yourself more often than not, I'll tell you that much. Because you would have no fear with the retractable blade and you'd like, well, I can do it now. You can't.
[00:35:40] Jason Mantzoukas: I couldn't understand the ghost's rules. In my mind, ghosts can go anywhere.
[00:35:47] Paul Scheer: Sure.
[00:35:48] Jason Mantzoukas: These ghosts are bound by the physical world.
[00:35:51] Nick Kroll: Not through doors.
[00:35:53] Jason Mantzoukas: They can't go through doors, they can't go through windows, they can't go through.
[00:35:56] Paul Scheer: Neither can, neither can orcas.
[00:35:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Like my question. Yeah. My question was like, at one point one of the ghosts gets loose right? In the, in the, when they're in the jail, uh, in the structure rather. And the ghost could go into anybody and it goes into one of the guys in a prison cell. And I'm like, this ghost is a fucking idiot. 'Cause now all this guy does is peel his own skin off in a prison cell. Like why not take over any of the good people who are outside with guns?
[00:36:29] Nick Kroll: But Jason, who are you to judge who the best host for the ghost is?
[00:36:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Ghost Host
[00:36:36] Paul Scheer: Ghost Host. Um, I do believe that like. What I like about the aliens is like is we will infect you and then we'll destroy your body because we feel like you are piece of shit. Like, I like that energy.
[00:36:49] Nick Kroll: Can we talk about the allegory of this? That is, is it an allegory for like.
[00:36:55] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:36:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Al Gory?
[00:36:56] Nick Kroll: Yeah. That.
[00:36:57] Jason Mantzoukas: The former vice president.
[00:36:58] Nick Kroll: This is 2001. He's just lost. He's just lost Bush V Gore.
[00:37:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep.
[00:37:04] Nick Kroll: And what is Al Gory, what's the Al Gory element to this?
[00:37:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Listen, it's an inconvenient truth that these miners.
[00:37:14] June Diane Raphael: Absolutely. We have to move to Mars.
[00:37:16] Paul Scheer: There's a lot of hanging, there's a lot of hanging checks.
[00:37:18] June Diane Raphael: No more breathable air.
[00:37:19] Paul Scheer: On those posts.
[00:37:23] Nick Kroll: Um, well, there seems to be some sort of, it's, but it's not, I can't quite get the moral of it, which is like, if you invade, if you try to take dominion over someone else's land, then yeah. Like these mother fuckers they'll get you, they'll get you, they, they'll get you back.
[00:37:41] Paul Scheer: Right. Because I mean, I do think it, I do think that there are some Native American themes in this. Like, not, like, not put out fully in front, but I feel like that's like what they're going for in a way.
[00:37:53] Nick Kroll: Right. But then it's like, but the moral is like that, like they're like, they're gonna be shitty about it. Once, like, it, it doesn't make any. Like, you don't quite get What? What are they saying?
[00:38:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, at the end they're saying, they're basically like, Mars isn't theirs anymore. It's ours.
[00:38:08] Nick Kroll: Yeah.
[00:38:08] Jason Mantzoukas: And it's like, wait a minute. Did did Like the bad guy are like, the bad guys I think are winning. I'm rooting for the ghosts.
[00:38:14] Paul Scheer: But also it seems, but it also seems like when they got to Mars. They were all dead. It wasn't like we got to mar, we killed all them and then we started terraforming.
[00:38:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Correct.
[00:38:23] Paul Scheer: It was like we got to Mars, it was a dead planet. And then the ghosts are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We're still here. We're ghosts. Respect us.
[00:38:30] Jason Mantzoukas: We're just in search of corporeal forms.
[00:38:32] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. I do think that that's the interesting part of the moral question mark, because they are ghosts after all. They're not, um, they couldn't enjoy the resources of this planet if they wanted to.
[00:38:49] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:38:50] Nick Kroll: To their own devices.
[00:38:51] June Diane Raphael: They'd still be in that tunnel, that very nicely designed tunnel.
[00:38:54] Nick Kroll: They're floating around or even if they got out and there's no bodies, they're just slow out.
[00:38:58] Jason Mantzoukas: It seems like they're in some sort of like crypt or like underground like that. Have they been trapped or like what's the?
[00:39:05] Paul Scheer: Well, they clearly this, well you see, alright, here is my lore that I've been writing on Reddit about it. There were, there was a species on Mars, that encountered this very violent tribe of people. And they're like, they condemned them to this underground tomb and they were like, lock it away, because these are bad people. But then these dummies, uh, from Earth come and they're like, what's this tomb? Open it up. And then they let it out again. So they are repeating his like, it's like, oh, the people already solved it for you, but you're opening it up.
[00:39:40] Nick Kroll: So those ghosts are stuck in there, in that tomb. They gotta wait for somebody.
[00:39:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Like, I just wish. I think you're right. I absolutely think you're right. Yeah. I'm just upset that the ghosts didn't obey ghost rules. You know what I mean? Like, I don't think they're really ghosts in that sense. They weren't, they weren't like going through stuff. They just were just.
[00:39:59] June Diane Raphael: I do think you're right because that one ghost, we met a couple of prisoners in the holding cell and all of them are interesting characters. And when we're in the ghost cam, he does or she. Does decide to take the body of the least interesting guy.
[00:40:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:40:17] June Diane Raphael: You know, I was like, I wanna see.
[00:40:19] Paul Scheer: But they're wind, right? They, I think they're just finding whoever, like, they're just going to the front. They're just going like, who's in front?
[00:40:25] Jason Mantzoukas: No. There's number of occasions where they go and it's almost like a Goldilocks.
[00:40:29] June Diane Raphael: Yes. Like you, that's in that scene. Not quite right.
[00:40:33] Paul Scheer: But then, but then why does the ghost, when then, why does she vomit out the ghost? Like, does the ghost like, oh. You're too, too high?
[00:40:38] Jason Mantzoukas: I think the ghost didn't like all the, all the drugs. The ghosts are anti-drug.
[00:40:42] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, they're straight edge.
[00:40:44] Jason Mantzoukas: They're straight edge. Didn't you notice everybody when the ghost took them over had xs on their hands?
[00:40:50] Nick Kroll: Yeah.
[00:40:50] Jason Mantzoukas: They're all straight edge. They're all going to hardcore show.
[00:40:53] June Diane Raphael: Okay. But that's actually, it is interesting 'cause it does seem like I, I don't know if you're possessed by a ghost, if you're not possessed by a ghost. Like everybody seems to be on drugs though.
[00:41:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:41:04] June Diane Raphael: So it was interesting, like why, what is she taking?
[00:41:09] Jason Mantzoukas: But by the way, why are you looking right at me? I did not give her ghost drugs.
[00:41:15] Paul Scheer: I mean, I, I will tell you that she, she said that she improvised that this is from, uh.
[00:41:21] June Diane Raphael: It's a major plot point.
[00:41:25] Nick Kroll: But you know, Natasha, you guys did level one together at UCB, right?
[00:41:29] June Diane Raphael: That's true. She's always coming up with things that people then wanted.
[00:41:31] Paul Scheer: Well, also they, they, um, she said it's a combo of acid and ecstasy. And I feel like everyone is saying like, you are fucking wasted. And I can't see a more, like she seems wide awake.
[00:41:45] June Diane Raphael: Absolutely clean presence.
[00:41:46] Paul Scheer: Face like Yeah. Yeah.
[00:41:47] June Diane Raphael: Absolute present.
[00:41:48] Paul Scheer: Doesn't like.
[00:41:48] June Diane Raphael: She looked like lucid.
[00:41:49] Paul Scheer: Slept 10 hours last night. Like Yeah, she looks ready to go. Doesn't look beaten down.
[00:41:54] June Diane Raphael: Bright-eyed and bushy tailed.
[00:41:55] Jason Mantzoukas: And when she suffers injuries, they look great.
[00:41:58] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:41:59] Jason Mantzoukas: It's just like a little cut here and a little cut here. Otherwise she looks great. Meanwhile, Clea Duval's out here getting beheaded that by someone who threw like a circular saw blade at her. I think multiple people get beheaded because someone frisbees a circular saw blade at them and they're like, head gone. Goodbye.
[00:42:21] June Diane Raphael: So quickly like no resistance at all.
[00:42:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:42:24] Paul Scheer: I, I will say that, uh, we're talking about props. Uh, Scott, our producer found this prop of giant film reel and some lights.
[00:42:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:42:32] Paul Scheer: So at one point. Maybe there was a movie studio on Mars as well. They seem to be walking.
[00:42:38] Nick Kroll: Well, no, this is where they fake the moon landing.
[00:42:42] Paul Scheer: I will say in this movie that takes place on Mars, that when they say his name, they're like, whoa, he's a bad dude. It's like, we, we know about this guy who's been accused of murder three times and gotten off because of self-defense. Seems to me like that wouldn't be the top of the food chain of bad guys. Like, oh, self-defense.
[00:43:03] June Diane Raphael: Well, I, and that's why I, I, what I needed, the only thing I needed. Otherwise, it's a perfect movie. The only thing I needed was a little bit more of an understanding of like, why, what, what's our main character's name?
[00:43:17] Paul Scheer: Oh, our main character's. Melanie. It is. Uh, it's Melanie.
[00:43:20] June Diane Raphael: Melanie.
[00:43:20] Paul Scheer: Melanie.
[00:43:20] June Diane Raphael: Melanie.
[00:43:21] Paul Scheer: Melanie. By the, I'll say the audience all got it wrong too. A lot of different names out there.
[00:43:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Somebody got it.
[00:43:25] Paul Scheer: Melanie Ballard.
[00:43:26] June Diane Raphael: I, I needed to understand why she needed to keep him under her dominion. Why? Why not leave him?
[00:43:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Why did they have to separate?
[00:43:36] June Diane Raphael: Why do you care?
[00:43:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, oh, yeah.
[00:43:38] Paul Scheer: Because she knows that he's wrongly accused and she says that to him. She says like, look, I'm gonna bring you back 'cause that's my job, but I don't think you did it.
[00:43:46] Nick Kroll: But she still insists that she's gonna bring him back.
[00:43:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. When he handcuffs her.
[00:43:51] Nick Kroll: Yeah.
[00:43:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Which I was like, this is so strange. He pulls her arm so far at what I'm like, at some point she asked.
[00:43:58] Nick Kroll: Have a good nap.
[00:43:59] Jason Mantzoukas: What are you doing?
[00:44:02] Paul Scheer: Why am I agreeing to this?
[00:44:03] Jason Mantzoukas: All meanwhile meanwhile, she has her gun right here with the other hand.
[00:44:08] June Diane Raphael: Easily. Easy peasy.
[00:44:09] Jason Mantzoukas: What's the point of this?
[00:44:09] Paul Scheer: Well, I'm confused.
[00:44:10] June Diane Raphael: I guess, I guess the thing that that confounds me though is the, the world is ending around her. Yeah, like we've got bigger alien fish to fry.
[00:44:18] Jason Mantzoukas: The ghosts of Mars are, are here.
[00:44:21] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:44:22] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean they, they also set off a nuclear device. They blew up a
[00:44:25] June Diane Raphael: That's right.
[00:44:26] Jason Mantzoukas: A nuclear. So wait, wait, okay. I had a question. The tribunal right, that is also on Mars?
[00:44:33] Nick Kroll: And that's a matriarchal.
[00:44:34] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:44:35] June Diane Raphael: Yes.
[00:44:35] Jason Mantzoukas: I'm sorry. Like, I would say matri, the matriarchal tribunal.
[00:44:38] Paul Scheer: Is like, say that, that that's in New York and this is probably happening in California. Like that's what I feel like it's.
[00:44:43] Jason Mantzoukas: But it's all on Mars.
[00:44:44] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:44:44] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:44:45] Jason Mantzoukas: So, I mean, at, they don't even mention like, you set off a multiple, multiple ton nuclear explosion on the planet we currently reside on as a matriarchy. They don't even ask her about it.
[00:45:00] Paul Scheer: I mean, I, I think that she makes some very odd choices. Like when Jason Statham is like, yeah, I brought you in here to like fucking hit on you. And she's like, cool, I like it. I'm like, what? When did that happen?
[00:45:10] Jason Mantzoukas: At what? Oh, at one point. She. We're in her flashback for most of the movie because she's telling the story to the tribunal. Inside of her flashback, we go into Jason Statham's flashback, where he's talking about, uh, he sees Pam Greer's head, and then he finds the guys who are looking for Cube in the shed. At which point we go into Cube's Brother's flashback. We are four flashbacks deep currently, from the reality, which is the present tense scene is only ever the tribunal.
[00:45:44] Paul Scheer: And I think the way that they justify that is because at one point she's like, I only know what they told me. So I feel like she's like, yeah, and so, well, we were in there.
[00:45:54] Jason Statham was out out there and he sees her head and he is like, what? But what's so interesting is that, you know, I was talking to Ice Cube and his brother, really interesting backstory on him. He like, she's like telling a real like, yeah, but where were you? No, hold on. So when he was young, he had a tricycle. It was a really cool tricycle.
[00:46:13] Jason Mantzoukas: It would be amazing if it was revealed that like, like, um, uh, uh, um, what's it called? Usual Suspects at the end. She's made the whole story up.
[00:46:22] June Diane Raphael: Oh my God.
[00:46:22] Jason Mantzoukas: None of none of that happened.
[00:46:23] Paul Scheer: She rips off her blonde face, like, ah, kills it.
[00:46:27] Jason Mantzoukas: She's filed all of her teeth down.
[00:46:29] Paul Scheer: And she's like, I'm a man. We've beat you.
[00:46:33] Jason Mantzoukas: I genuinely.
[00:46:40] Paul Scheer: The matriarchal society.
[00:46:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. Yes. Uh, are you leaving?
[00:46:44] Paul Scheer: I'm gonna get outta here. I'm gonna go to the audience. I'm gonna see what the audience has to say, and I have some gifts for the audience as well. Well, we have some great people out here tonight. All right. Uh, Jafar is here and Jafar is in costume. So again.
[00:47:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Great work, Jafar
[00:47:04] June Diane Raphael: Amazing.
[00:47:05] Paul Scheer: With the hand bra.
[00:47:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah. Incredible.
[00:47:10] Paul Scheer: Full, full great costume here. Amazing costume. Job well done. Alright, so what do you want to bring to the table? You have a lot of good stuff.
[00:47:18] Audience Member: Yeah. Uh, so once again, I watched all of the special features on the DVD.
[00:47:22] June Diane Raphael: Thank you.
[00:47:22] Audience Member: Um, lot of great stuff. Uh, um, so, uh, John Carpenter says the reason he made it a matriarchal society was literally just because he wanted to set up Natasha Henstridge and Pam Greer making out at some point. And he thought he would have an easier time convincing everyone if it was like part of the ethos of the universe that they were in.
[00:47:42] Nick Kroll: So that's smart. It's a fucking, it's a chess match.
[00:47:46] Audience Member: Yep. Yep.
[00:47:47] Jason Mantzoukas: But the only kiss, right? The only kisses between her and Statham, right?
[00:47:52] Audience Member: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But they have like the, the sexual tension thing, they might have filmed more, I don't know, uh, and then, uh. Uh, and then the other thing is Natasha Henstridge was actually cast like a week before they started shooting, and her role was originally going to be played by Courtney Love, who was.
[00:48:10] June Diane Raphael: Oh, wow.
[00:48:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Who would have loved that.
[00:48:12] June Diane Raphael: Interesting.
[00:48:13] Jason Mantzoukas: I Courtney Loved that.
[00:48:14] Audience Member: Samesies. Yeah. But the reason she wasn't able to is because her boyfriend at the time ran over her foot with a Volvo, and so she had to pull out at the last second, and then they called in Natasha Henstridge. So.
[00:48:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, that's a terrible thing to have happened. That, I mean, a, a real failure of the pullout method.
[00:48:31] Nick Kroll: That's, these are the worst thing that's happened at Courtney Love in a relationship.
[00:48:35] June Diane Raphael: Definitely, definitely can't imagine anything else.
[00:48:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, and the fact that we know it was a Volvo is somehow so much, not so much so much.
[00:48:45] Nick Kroll: She was dating like a local professor from like a small liberal arts college.
[00:48:51] Jason Mantzoukas: She was visiting Phillips Exeter. Teaching the 11th grade honors English class. He's driving like a boxy maroon Volvo.
[00:49:02] Paul Scheer: Alright, uh, what have we got over here? Okay, I'm gonna, yeah, you lean over to me. Okay, perfect.
[00:49:06] Hi, what's your name?
[00:49:07] Audience Member: Hi, uh, my name's Amy. I just wanted to point out that in the credits the scary like white Face Martian guy was called Big Daddy Mars. Um, just wanted to see if that's an apt name.
[00:49:20] Paul Scheer: I love Big Daddy Mars.
[00:49:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Big Daddy Mars.
[00:49:23] June Diane Raphael: Big Daddy.
[00:49:24] Nick Kroll: That's when I think is like the, the, the host, the, the ghost knew that he was the host with the most.
[00:49:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:49:32] Nick Kroll: And so I think that was the Leader Ghost and he was like, that's Big Daddy Mars.
[00:49:37] Jason Mantzoukas: For sure.
[00:49:37] Nick Kroll: I'm gonna get myself over there.
[00:49:38] Jason Mantzoukas: It also seemed like.
[00:49:39] Nick Kroll: I'm gonna slide right into his ear.
[00:49:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Maybe Big Daddy Mars had been the leader when they were corporeal in the past, maybe?
[00:49:46] Paul Scheer: Correct.
[00:49:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:49:47] Paul Scheer: Oh definitely.
[00:49:47] Jason Mantzoukas: And then he found the big, the biggest miner.
[00:49:50] Paul Scheer: You leave that big miner for me.
[00:49:53] Jason Mantzoukas: I'm Big Daddy Mars. Have you guys watched that reality show? Biggest Miner?
[00:50:00] June Diane Raphael: I, I have.
[00:50:01] Paul Scheer: I watched a documentary about it and it was actually really terrible what they did to those miners.
[00:50:06] Jason Mantzoukas: They made them so small.
[00:50:07] Paul Scheer: Some of them are back being miners now. Or should say not being miners.
[00:50:12] Um, hi. Hi. What's your name? What's your question?
[00:50:14] Audience Member: Uh, Ryan, I, I, when they were at the ghost rally and the big daddy, big daddy was swinging the sword, were those just the beheadings or was something else going on there? I was really unclear.
[00:50:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes, there were, it was beheadings.
[00:50:28] Audience Member: Okay. All right.
[00:50:29] Paul Scheer: Why do they wanna put so many heads on sticks? They're hanging people up from the ceiling. Like that's a lot of work, a lot of energy, a lot of effort.
[00:50:35] June Diane Raphael: It is. And that's why I have to, I continue to question these ghosts because.
[00:50:41] Jason Mantzoukas: What do they want?
[00:50:42] June Diane Raphael: It's like that's more, that's so extra of them. Like if they're just trying to get from host to host, like why that fan fair?
[00:50:51] Jason Mantzoukas: I think what, aren't they saying it at the end. Like, oh, they see us as like a disease here and they're trying to wipe us out, kind of thing. Right? Yeah. Okay.
[00:51:00] June Diane Raphael: Again, that's fine. But why put our heads all facing in the same direction?
[00:51:06] Jason Mantzoukas: I agree. What's the message?
[00:51:07] Nick Kroll: Well, because I don't think they fully, I feel like they've integrated with humanity in certain ways. So they're, they are these corp. They, they are, these ghosts have taken this human form, but they've still integrated some human in human behaviors into their.
[00:51:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Like, like beheadings?
[00:51:26] Nick Kroll: Beheadings and stakes.
[00:51:27] June Diane Raphael: Well, they've really taken the work of us.
[00:51:29] Nick Kroll: This is, this is, this is a fact that, um, that I just made up. This is that, uh. That is where George R. Martin got the idea for the heads on the stakes for Game of Thrones is he watched John Carpenter's.
[00:51:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Confirmed about the heads on the stakes in Challengers. That's what Luca was inspired by.
[00:51:46] Paul Scheer: Originally, the tennis balls were supposed to be heads. Um, and uh, uh, here's the thing, the heads on stakes are often put outside like a, a town. Right. And, and to be like, don't come in here. 'cause what we do to bad people, you know, like it's to scare away people. But if it's a whole town of these ghosts.
[00:52:06] June Diane Raphael: It looked like just a cemetery.
[00:52:07] Nick Kroll: Mm-hmm.
[00:52:08] June Diane Raphael: Like this is where they all.
[00:52:09] Paul Scheer: So they wanna respect the dead.
[00:52:11] Jason Mantzoukas: I, it, I'll be honest, it did not feel well thought through and I don't mind saying it.
[00:52:19] Paul Scheer: Alright. That is a fair point. We all disagree with you.
[00:52:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:52:21] Nick Kroll: But I can I just say, as someone, like, all I could think about was Pam Greer having to do that full face prosthetic like, uh, makeup. The, not the makeup. It wasn't her head right?
[00:52:33] Paul Scheer: It was, it was, that's the thing. They made it, they built a rig, so they did not wanna spend money on the prosthetic.
[00:52:39] Nick Kroll: So they did have to do a life cap.
[00:52:40] Paul Scheer: So she had to stand there with her mouth open next to a prosthetic of Harry Knowles from Ain't Cool News. Uh.
[00:52:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait. Really?
[00:52:47] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:52:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh my god. What on earth is this movie?
[00:52:54] Nick Kroll: It's not on earth.
[00:52:58] Paul Scheer: Alright. Yeah.
[00:52:59] Jason Mantzoukas: What on Mars?
[00:53:01] Paul Scheer: Alright, uh, where are we? Go. Here we go.
[00:53:03] Nick Kroll: If you were the last ghost on Mars.
[00:53:06] Paul Scheer: Hi. What's your name? What's your question?
[00:53:07] Audience Member: My name is Dan and we were talking about the vehicles earlier. I wanna talk about the battering ram. Okay. Because that was a full-sized metal vehicle being pushed by like four people that somehow broke through the prison front door.
[00:53:19] Paul Scheer: Right. Guys, battering ram. Thoughts, questions, answers. What do you got?
[00:53:23] Jason Mantzoukas: You know, they, I don't think you're accounting for ghosts having like super strength.
[00:53:28] Nick Kroll: Yeah.
[00:53:28] Paul Scheer: Like you should see what an orca can lift.
[00:53:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Again. Like if I threw, if I threw. Even a very sharp, uh, rotary saw blade at you. Maybe it would lodge. Maybe the fact that it's able to cleave off a head severing the spine. I I is for a clean shot. Like, well, so they're so strong.
[00:53:52] Nick Kroll: And, and I, I will just say like, we don't know 'cause, but when you have someone motivating you, like Big Daddy Mars, you know, like win one for the gipper, like Newt Rockney level and he and his speech, Jason, I think you do it probably best.
[00:54:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, he's like. It really is. Like they so often talk about creating actual languages for Game of Thrones. Yeah. For, for Lord of the Rings.
[00:54:28] Nick Kroll: This is where they got, this is where George R. Martin got the idea for language.
[00:54:30] Jason Mantzoukas: In this. They're just like, uh, just do a bunch of gibberish. Who cares? Ah, we got it. He got it.
[00:54:39] Nick Kroll: He's saying win one, win win one for the gipper.
[00:54:43] Paul Scheer: Alright. You have a good notebook here. What do you got?
[00:54:46] Audience Member: Um, well this is something I kind of just was thinking about hearing Big Daddy Mars. Um, is this just an allegory of matriarchal versus patriarchal society?
[00:54:55] Paul Scheer: Ooh.
[00:54:56] Audience Member: That, that's what's at stake here.
[00:54:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Big Daddy Mars versus, um, versus Yes. Mommy.
[00:55:03] June Diane Raphael: I don't know. Because the matriarchal society seems very patriarchal and I think that's what he's trying to say. And to that I'm like, let us try.
[00:55:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:55:16] June Diane Raphael: Once.
[00:55:18] Nick Kroll: Mm-hmm.
[00:55:21] Paul Scheer: He would let you try, but you're too busy making out with each other. That's what happened. Not like men who don't make out with each other. That's how we figured it out. Hey, uh, wait, what's your question?
[00:55:34] Audience Member: Uh, I just wanna say I saw on IMDB that John Carpenter said that Natasha Henstridge downplayed some of the flashback framing sequences, and she replied that he should have directed her better.
[00:55:45] Paul Scheer: Well, I, I read that, I read this quote as well, and I didn't understand downplayed it. Like, I don't know how you like downplay a scene that you're acting in. It's like she didn't act it, I guess. Like.
[00:55:55] Jason Mantzoukas: She downplayed the flashback?
[00:55:57] Paul Scheer: Yeah. So when she was.
[00:55:58] June Diane Raphael: All a flashback.
[00:56:00] Paul Scheer: Like the, like the trial. But I, I don't know how you downplay. Yeah. I mean, I don't, I've never heard that term. Like, oh, she really downplayed that scene. Like she's just testifying.
[00:56:10] Nick Kroll: Well, I think it's because she, they shot them from my understanding is they shot all of the flashback stuff, right? And then she fully improvised the, the tribunal scenes and she downplayed what had happened in those scenes. So then they had to go back and reshoot all of the flashbacks.
[00:56:36] Paul Scheer: Oh. To make it match.
[00:56:37] Nick Kroll: Based on her performance and what she improvised is what had happened.
[00:56:41] Paul Scheer: Now it makes sense. All right. There it is. Wow. Now that, yeah, so that really.
[00:56:46] Jason Mantzoukas: That makes sense.
[00:56:47] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:56:47] June Diane Raphael: Because they couldn't just reshoot the tribunal scene. No, that was one location and just like two setups.
[00:56:52] Jason Mantzoukas: That's impossible.
[00:56:53] Paul Scheer: They got it. Yeah. Dis disrespectful to the actor. Yeah.
[00:56:56] Nick Kroll: That was in the can. So they had to go back and reshoot. Match to match the how much she had downplayed what had happened.
[00:57:02] Paul Scheer: Obviously we had opinions about this movie, but there are people out there where a different opinion and it's now time for second opinions.
[00:57:13] Audience Member: Hi, my name's Ned.
[00:57:13] Well, the train from Shining Canyon has come and running slowly up those tracks. And we'll learn about the space cop on board, but we'll do it in multiple flashbacks. Well, they went to pick up Ice Cube from jail, but they got there, it turned out that everyone had gone insane. Oh, baby, Statham wants to fuck everyone.
[00:57:39] And Cube's little two gun isn't gonna do much good. Oh, science lady had a heart balloon, which is a real weird thing to only see in the single flashback. Oh, everything is exploding now. It's a standoff. And Pam Greer's head on a spike. And this town's looking like red mist. Baby, we're the Ghosts of Mars!
[00:58:11] Paul Scheer: Thank you.
[00:58:12] June Diane Raphael: Wow.
[00:58:13] Paul Scheer: Springsteen in theaters amazing now.
[00:58:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:58:18] Paul Scheer: Wow. Wow.
[00:58:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Jeremy Allen White is in the audience.
[00:58:23] Paul Scheer: That was great.
[00:58:26] Nick Kroll: Can I just say what I, you know, 'cause you guys have, you guys do this show all the time and you guys like, to watch people get up and sing. Is to me like that I, that, that would scare the living shit out of me.
[00:58:44] June Diane Raphael: Oh, I would never.
[00:58:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh my God.
[00:58:45] June Diane Raphael: God, you're never, you won't catch me.
[00:58:46] Nick Kroll: The fact that everybody just did that so well is like unbelievable how it's it's really amazing.
[00:58:53] Paul Scheer: Truly great. And, and they're not, it's, and on top of all of it, yes. They're in front of people singing a song. That they wrote.
[00:59:01] June Diane Raphael: Yes.
[00:59:01] Paul Scheer: Like, yes. It may have a familiar melody. But they wrote it. And that's, and it's like, that's even crazy.
[00:59:05] Nick Kroll: Well, no, I actually have notes on the writing.
[00:59:08] June Diane Raphael: Oh.
[00:59:13] Paul Scheer: John Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars has an average of 4.4, uh, out of five stars. All right. There are 2,797 reviews. 69% are five stars. Yeah. Only 3% are one star. And um, we start off with Stormy, maybe Stormy Daniels.
[00:59:34] Jason Mantzoukas: Stormy Daniels.
[00:59:36] Paul Scheer: Who writes
[00:59:37] "Wish Ice Cube and Natasha Hendrich did a second one to follow up this one. I could have done without all that rock music though, 'cause after the first 45 minutes it was driving me crazy and I'm a big rock music fan, but that was a bit much."
[00:59:59] One person found this helpful. Five stars. Great movie.
[01:00:04] Nick Kroll: Can I read, can I read one?
[01:00:06] Paul Scheer: You wanna? Yeah.
[01:00:06] Nick Kroll: I, no, I have one. I, I have my own account.
[01:00:09] Uh, this one is from Ultra Girl 43.
[01:00:15] "I thought this movie was terrific. I didn't think it was weird at all that Statham had hair like that. I thought it looks really good. Natural. I also thought for a first kiss. He nailed it."
[01:00:36] Paul Scheer: I feel like maybe, I feel like that may have been Jason Statham who wrote that.
[01:00:39] Nick Kroll: You think he wrote that?
[01:00:40] Paul Scheer: I don't know. I don't know. It just feels like.
[01:00:42] Nick Kroll: It was Ultra Girl 43.
[01:00:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Also the first audio, second opinion we've ever had.
[01:00:49] Paul Scheer: You know, we can't judge it. It's the future. Uh, Patty Libe wrote this.
[01:00:55] "My disc of this movie got jammed in the DVD player."
[01:01:01] Nick Kroll: Yeah.
[01:01:02] Jason Mantzoukas: That's so sexual.
[01:01:03] Paul Scheer: "But still play the other movies. And after two months of unsuccessfully trying to get it out, I ordered this one. It arrived in good condition and on time just after the arrival date promised."
[01:01:19] Jason Mantzoukas: That's not on time. I wanna be very clear. That is in fact not on time. It is one day late.
[01:01:29] June Diane Raphael: Late.
[01:01:30] Nick Kroll: She was just downplaying the flashback.
[01:01:34] Paul Scheer: But Patty goes on to say that,
[01:01:36] "When the disc did arrive, the jam movie did drop down and came out, so I'm keeping that one in case this movie gets jammed."
[01:01:45] Five stars. Ghosts of Mars.
[01:01:47] Jason Mantzoukas: What?
[01:01:49] Paul Scheer: Two for one. Two for one.
[01:01:51] Jason Mantzoukas: I would like to go into that person's review history to see what they wrote for the DVD player.
[01:01:58] Paul Scheer: I also feel like why would you ever need to have five DVDs loaded up at any given note? Like I get like CDs.
[01:02:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Sure, sure.
[01:02:06] Paul Scheer: DVDs? No.
[01:02:07] June Diane Raphael: I didn't even know you could do that with DVDs.
[01:02:09] Paul Scheer: I mean, I, it's more of a thing like I remember that people used to have cars where big? Yeah. I put 10 CDs. That's awesome. Yeah, you could CDs.
[01:02:16] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, but.
[01:02:17] Paul Scheer: DVDs.
[01:02:18] June Diane Raphael: You're not going between movies or are you?
[01:02:21] Jason Mantzoukas: I'm not gonna lie, I think this fucking idiot is putting DVDs.
[01:02:25] June Diane Raphael: I kind of think too.
[01:02:26] Jason Mantzoukas: In a CD player being like, how come movie no play? Disc in Machine.
[01:02:32] Paul Scheer: I did. Um.
[01:02:33] Jason Mantzoukas: I write review. Oh, I speak Martian. Ah.
[01:02:40] Paul Scheer: I did have a hundred disc changer at one point. I had a hundred disc change, uh, changer review.
[01:02:45] Jason Mantzoukas: CDs.
[01:02:46] Paul Scheer: CDs.
[01:02:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Yeah.
[01:02:46] Paul Scheer: And you would put 'em all in like a big carousel. And it was, it was the.
[01:02:50] Jason Mantzoukas: So did you have to remember what was where?
[01:02:52] Paul Scheer: You could type it in. Like T nine, like T tink tink.
[01:02:55] Jason Mantzoukas: That must have taken a whole week.
[01:02:58] Paul Scheer: Like, yeah.
[01:02:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.
[01:02:59] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[01:02:59] Nick Kroll: And this was a disc man?
[01:03:01] Paul Scheer: This was a disc man I would carry it. I would carry, it was heavy.
[01:03:05] June Diane Raphael: It's like a backpack.
[01:03:06] Paul Scheer: And I did need a plug.
[01:03:06] June Diane Raphael: Backpack. You walked around with the backpack.
[01:03:08] Paul Scheer: A backpack. And I need a power source too. Yeah. So it was.
[01:03:11] Nick Kroll: A car battery, I remember. I remember seeing you on the subway in New York and you had a car battery.
[01:03:16] Paul Scheer: Yep. But if I wanted to switch from AC DC to Weird Al, it was no big deal.
[01:03:19] June Diane Raphael: No problem at all.
[01:03:20] Paul Scheer: Just took about 30 seconds.
[01:03:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Both in the As.
[01:03:25] Paul Scheer: I put it by the Y. Um, Lois writes this. Lois wrote this.
[01:03:32] "My company made all the sweaters for this movie. Five stars."
[01:03:40] Jason Mantzoukas: What? That I have. So ma that's the kind of one I wish there was so much more than that one.
[01:03:46] Paul Scheer: I know.
[01:03:47] Nick Kroll: So this was the, the, the sweater that you were.
[01:03:50] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[01:03:51] Nick Kroll: I was gonna say like obsessed with.
[01:03:54] June Diane Raphael: Uh, he was, he was.
[01:03:55] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't think it's, lemme be clear. I don't think it's the sweater. I think it's the sweater wearer.
[01:03:59] Paul Scheer: Hey. I like a nice high quality sweater, which is why I always shop at Quince.
[01:04:07] June Diane Raphael: Lois must be so happy though that those sweaters held up.
[01:04:10] Nick Kroll: Mm-hmm.
[01:04:11] June Diane Raphael: Through some serious.
[01:04:12] Paul Scheer: Lois, drop a link in here. Where is these sweaters?
[01:04:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Lois send us some sweaters.
[01:04:18] Paul Scheer: Get us in a sweater. Um, CM writes this.
[01:04:24] "I love this movie. Criminals and police come together to suppress the last Native Martians. It demonstrates, it demonstrates just how tough colonization can be. Ice Cube was perfect. I think John Carpenter should do a sequel and include Ice Tea too. The Ice Duo would be unstoppable, and I think they would both destroy Ghost Martians, five stars."
[01:05:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.
[01:05:03] June Diane Raphael: He's been waiting for this story to be told.
[01:05:06] Jason Mantzoukas: This pro colonizer story.
[01:05:08] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[01:05:10] Paul Scheer: Wow, wow, wow, wow. So much. So much to unpack in John Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars. Um, would you recommend it, is the question?
[01:05:20] June Diane Raphael: No.
[01:05:20] Paul Scheer: I've watched it twice.
[01:05:21] June Diane Raphael: No, no. Yeah, it's so inter, I mean, I, I absolutely hated watching this movie. I had to, I looked at the clock and I thought, June, just do, just do nine minutes and then you take a break.
[01:05:33] I was taking breaks. I was suffering through this.
[01:05:38] Paul Scheer: But you see, when you were watching it and I walked in on you watching it, I was like, Ooh, I'm missing some subtlety here. I need to rewatch it.
[01:05:45] Nick Kroll: Now. And you and June, you watch this in the shower?
[01:05:48] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, yeah.
[01:05:48] Nick Kroll: Is that right?
[01:05:49] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. Over the course of several showers this last week.
[01:05:55] Paul Scheer: Your showers, our water bill is extensive.
[01:05:58] Nick Kroll: Yeah.
[01:05:58] Paul Scheer: I mean, you put a desk in our shower now. MacBooks do not work well in showers.
[01:06:07] Jason Mantzoukas: I am also a no on this one. This one is joyless.
[01:06:11] June Diane Raphael: Tough.
[01:06:11] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[01:06:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, especially for a John Carpenter movie. There's, there's stuff here and, and I do think for the episode, tune into some of the movie. Absolutely. Just to see the madness therein. But it's, uh, being that it's such a obtuse plot that I just at the end was like, I don't know what this is in service of, uh, this feels like a bunch of nothing. And, um, as, as great as Cube was, and I'm always in for Cube.
[01:06:38] Paul Scheer: Sure.
[01:06:39] Jason Mantzoukas: When he shows up at the end of the movie to take, uh, Natasha Henstridge out, uh, and he shows up with new chrome guns and now they're in like black leather dusters. I was like. Oh, where was this movie?
[01:06:53] June Diane Raphael: Yes.
[01:06:53] Jason Mantzoukas: I, I'm into, I, into, I think i'm into this moving forward from here. But I I, I, the movie itself was really tough.
[01:07:02] Nick Kroll: Yeah.
[01:07:02] Paul Scheer: You know, what did blank Check say?
[01:07:04] Nick Kroll: Uh, well, I was gonna say like, I can't recommend this movie, but I really can recommend the episode of Blank Check. Uh, talking about this film. Jonah Ray is one of the guests.
[01:07:15] Paul Scheer: That's a good, that's a good Listen, I like Jonah Ray.
[01:07:17] June Diane Raphael: He's great.
[01:07:17] Paul Scheer: Uh, I like the Blank Check guys. The, uh, I'll tell you this much. This movie is, I feel like what John Carpenter will say is, you didn't get it. This is a comedy. I guess I had to make the jokes bigger and that I'm paraphrasing, but that's what he has said.
[01:07:31] Nick Kroll: Mm-hmm.
[01:07:32] Paul Scheer: I made a comedy. You fucking idiots needed it spoon fed to you. But I think that that's like retroactive. I think that that's like Tommy Wiseau going like. Yeah, it was always, The Room was meant to be funny. I feel like he, like he, yeah, it, the end felt like it was on tone. It's not a fun watch. It's not a fun watch.
[01:07:54] Although, uh, I will say, if, you know, tune in for the action. No, not for that either. The action looks like something that you would see at a, uh, theme park stunt show.
[01:08:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[01:08:04] Paul Scheer: It, it looks like I was watching this. I'm like, is this like, did they just hire the actress from Halloween Horror Nights to do like punches that are so broad? I'm like, Waterworld was spectacular. Is way better than this.
[01:08:16] Jason Mantzoukas: It looks like, um, Halloween Horror Nights, but The Maze is, um, Mad Max.
[01:08:21] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[01:08:22] Jason Mantzoukas: But they didn't license Mad Max. So it's like, it's, it's an adjacent sounding thing. It's like bad, bad drax. Nope. That's, there is a drax. Forget that. Hmm.
[01:08:39] Paul Scheer: I have said.
[01:08:40] Nick Kroll: We worked, we worked really hard on all the stunt scenes.
[01:08:46] Paul Scheer: I will say in, in.
[01:08:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, I have a question about the movie.
[01:08:51] Paul Scheer: Sure. Yeah.
[01:08:51] Jason Mantzoukas: How come, throughout the movie they do so much shooting, shooting, shooting. Or shotguns. Rifles. But then they seemingly run out of bullets and just use their machine guns and guns as bats. Okay. But then one scene later, shooting, shooting, shooting, shooting. Where'd they get the ammo? Why are they using, why aren't they clobbering people with the guns?
[01:09:14] Nick Kroll: Well, I think they were just saving bullets.
[01:09:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. Okay.
[01:09:17] Paul Scheer: I mean, the movie.
[01:09:18] Nick Kroll: They were making a call based on who their foe was.
[01:09:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.
[01:09:21] Nick Kroll: Whether they could knock 'em cold with just a baseball swing.
[01:09:24] Paul Scheer: I will say the moment that really made me laugh the most in this film was when Ice Cube does, like Leroy Jenkins, if you're familiar with that moment in pop culture history, this is something that happened online a handful of years ago as a, a game.
[01:09:39] Leroy Jenkins Audio: Ready guys?
[01:09:40] Let's do this. LEROY JENKINS!!!
[01:09:45] Oh my God, he just ran in. Save him. Oh, J stick to the plan. Oh, Jesus. Let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go. Stick to the plan. Stick to the plan.
[01:09:53] Paul Scheer: Oh, that, that, that is the moment, uh, just completely disregarding the plan and running into a room full of zombies. Um, alright, well, uh, that's a, that's a, that's a four No recommend, um, sorry Luca Guadagnino.
[01:10:19] Jason Mantzoukas: But, uh, it does make sense now why at the end of a bigger splash, the orca comes out of the pool and eats Dakota Johnson. If you haven't watched that movie, everybody watch A Bigger Splash. Interesting. Now we're getting somewhere 9:56. That's where everybody in the audience was like, we are done.
[01:10:48] Paul Scheer: Nick, you wanna plug anything you wanna tell us, uh, anything we should be aware of?
[01:10:51] Nick Kroll: Uh, yeah, there's a, a Blank Check, uh, that covers this podcast.
[01:10:55] Paul Scheer: Motherfucker.
[01:10:55] June Diane Raphael: Oh boy.
[01:10:56] Jason Mantzoukas: They're currently doing the Cohen Brothers and it is a dynamite series.
[01:11:00] Paul Scheer: Cannot wait. Uh, maybe, uh, yeah, maybe two people, you know, will come back on it.
[01:11:03] Nick Kroll: I'm gonna be, uh, I'm, I'm starting to go out and do some dates around the country. Uh, performing around. So keep an eye out for, uh, some live dates.
[01:11:12] Paul Scheer: And that is your jazz, your jazz band?
[01:11:14] Nick Kroll: Yes, this is my jazz band. It's me, Jeff Goldblum and, uh, and, uh, Jeff Goldblum.
[01:11:21] Paul Scheer: Oh, wow. I'm very excited. All right. So Nick will be on the road, uh, June. Jason, anything you wanna talk about?
[01:11:28] June Diane Raphael: Obviously, 9 1 1. The television event that I'm a part of is, is still ongoing. Um, and also I know Plan C was in the lobby, so, and there, they're still, I think, passing out some literature.
[01:11:39] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
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[01:11:58] Paul Scheer: Jason.
[01:11:59] Nick Kroll: Um, I will, um, uh, I will continue to plug Season 19 of Taskmaster. That is.
[01:12:04] Paul Scheer: Yes, great season.
[01:12:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Available on YouTube, wherever you are. Um, I'll also say, uh, I'm in a bunch of the next season, season two of, uh, A Man on the Inside, the Ted Danon, uh, Mike Schur show that's on Netflix starting next month, as well as, um, season two of Percy Jackson, which is coming back. If you wanna see me scream at children, Percy Jackson, season two.
[01:12:30] Nick Kroll: I'll pro also promote, uh, the movie I made with,
[01:12:34] Paul Scheer: Oh yeah.
[01:12:34] Nick Kroll: I Don't Understand You's on Hulu now.
[01:12:36] Paul Scheer: That's great.
[01:12:37] Nick Kroll: It, it might be a movie that one day, you guys.
[01:12:39] Paul Scheer: No, no.
[01:12:41] Nick Kroll: You guys would do here on this show.
[01:12:42] Paul Scheer: No, it's got a great rotten tomato score. People love it.
[01:12:45] Nick Kroll: All right, well I'll go see if the Blank Check guys want to check it out.
[01:12:48] Paul Scheer: Oh, geez. Thank you everybody! That's our show!
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