The Best Show's Tom Scharpling chats with Jason & Paul about discovering new music, the Best Show's 25th anniversary, Tom's Grown Ups 3 spec script, and much more. But first, Paul answers all your Corrections & Omissions on last week's Jack's Back episode. And as always, we announce next week's movie! Get tix to the Best Show's 25th Anniversary Tour at: thebestshow.net Read Tom's Grown Ups 3 spec script at: www.grownups3script.com JASON & TOM'S MUSIC PICKS: Dan's Boogie by Destroyer Music For Writers by Steve Gunn Wednesday Sharp Pins Gimme Gimme Records in L.A. Healing Force of the Universe in L.A.
The Best Show's Tom Scharpling chats with Jason & Paul about discovering new music, the Best Show's 25th anniversary, Tom's Grown Ups 3 spec script, and much more. But first, Paul answers all your Corrections & Omissions on last week's Jack's Back episode. And as always, we announce next week's movie!
Get tix to the Best Show's 25th Anniversary Tour at: thebestshow.net
Read Tom's Grown Ups 3 spec script at: www.grownups3script.com
JASON & TOM'S MUSIC PICKS:
Music For Writers by Steve Gunn
Healing Force of the Universe in L.A.
[00:00:00] Paul Scheer: Find out how long it takes June and I to watch Task, the rules about smoking in medical facilities and a film whose post-production took 37 years. All this and more on today's How Did This Get Made Last looks.
[00:00:16] Hit the theme.
[00:00:16] Music: [Last Looks Intro Song]
[00:00:17] Paul Scheer: Hello all you twins with psychic connections. It's me, Paul the Ripper, and welcome to How Did This Get Made Last Looks. Where you, the listener, get to voice your issues on Jack's Back. A movie that Discord user Ayefed thinks should have instead been called
[00:00:34] "A Tale of Two Spaders."
[00:00:37] Okay, I like it. Thank you, uh, Ayefed for that movie title. Wouldn't it be great if they just started completely disregarding, uh, character names and specifics, uh, for the titles of films and just started calling them by the actors that were in them? Like, you know, Denzel Train movie. First of all, don't know why I am referencing Unstoppable.
[00:01:01] I think that movie came out like 15 years ago. Um, but I maybe would bring more ants to the cinema. Um, speaking of which, do you think people were upset this week when they saw like the, uh, the Mandalorian, uh, and Grogu trailer and then I think for a large grouping of people, they may have been confused.
[00:01:22] They may have been like, Grogu who, who's that? You know, shouldn't it be like Mandalorian and, and baby Yoda? And that's what I'm getting at people. Let's dumb it down more. Okay. It's not enough. It's not enough that people are considering putting television shows on TikTok in 90-second intervals. They're called micro dramas.
[00:01:41] Uh, by the way, have you watched a micro drama? These things are nuts. It's like the drama of eighties, late night tv like Dynasty and Falcon Crest mixed with like the acting of, uh, of porn back when porn cared. Um, alright. A big shout out to Judy Ford. Wow. We're still in the opening, uh, for that opening theme song.
[00:02:08] Thank you, Judy. Remember, if you have an alt movie title or tagline, submit it to us on our discord at Discord.gg/HDTGM. And if you have a Last Looks theme song. Go to H-D-T-G-M and click the submit a song button on our homepage. And remember, keep 'em short. If you're listening to the show, you know what we like.
[00:02:26] 15, 20 seconds. That's what we want. Okay. Um, big show today. Tom Scharpling. Host of The Best Show will be joining us in just a bit. Uh, if you don't know Tom, uh, you might remember him from our Avengers episode, but, uh, if you're not listening to The Best Show, what are you doing? 25 years on the air. Uh, we're gonna talk to him about his, uh, Grownups 3 script, which he wrote, uh, on spec over a weekend that got a lot of buzz online and he's gonna tell us how it, uh, got to a lot of the members of the cast. Um, we also are gonna talk about the, uh, Best Show tour, uh, also. I guess this is a great time to mention. How Did This Get Made is going on the road. We're gonna be in New York and we're gonna be in Philadelphia, but that's not all. Dinosaur is going on the road and we have a great cast.
[00:03:21] Okay. Edie Patterson from the Righteous Gemstones. You got Danielle Schneider from Garbage World. Oh yeah. You also have Mary Holland, who is amazing in everything that she does recently on Ghosts. Me, Jason, Rob Huebel. Rob Riggle is joining us in DC so come see Dinosaur in Boston, DC. And by the time of this recording, maybe even New York, just check out HDTGM.com for our tour info or go to Dinosaur Improv or go to my website.
[00:03:57] There's plenty of places for you to get the links for the tickets for these shows that are happening in November. And if you just wanna come see us in Los Angeles, you can do that too, because we have shows October, uh, 22nd and 23rd at Largo and a Dinosaur show on the 24th. Boy, oh boy. I love doing live shows, um, just kind of wanna continue giving some love to Avaryl Halley, who is recovering from brain cancer. Avaryl is one of our,
[00:04:28] you know, uh, support beams of this show. And I am just constantly blown away by the amount of love that people have been sending her way, whether it's an email, uh, by emailing her partner andrew@moviebitches.xyz or by snail mail. Uh, people have been sending wonderful things to her at, uh, PO Box 6 4 1, Agora Hills, California 9 1 3 7 6.
[00:04:53] Uh, she appreciates it. And we have been getting some really amazing updates. Uh, she is on the mend and recovering and so we just wanna continue to send her love. Um, alright, let's get into it. Last week we talked at length about Jack's Back. Well, we had questions and we might have even missed a few things.
[00:05:13] Here's your chance to set a straight fact check us, if you will. It is now time for corrections and omissions. Hit the damn theme.
[00:05:23] Music: [Corrections and Omissions Theme Song]
[00:05:26] Paul Scheer: Thank you Benjamin Hilton for that theme song. Uh, I loved Extreme, uh, Extreme. Well, I don't know if I loved them. I, I, I liked them. Was Extreme, the band that had like the two trains crashing outta the station, was that the cover of the album?
[00:05:44] I think, I don't know. Why am I asking you? You can't answer and I'm not gonna Google it, so if I'm wrong, please send me a written letter. I'll open it in a couple of weeks and I will, uh, look at it with shame or delight. Alright, on the Discord Ghost Bag, great name, says this,
[00:06:02] "Is the reason for the constant haze in this film due to everyone in it smoking? Cigarettes are constant from Sydney smoking in the doctor's office to..."
[00:06:12] By the way, I'm really going outta sides. I just saw Jaws, the 50th anniversary of Jaws. There's some smoking in the ER in that movie as well. Wild. The amount. Cigarettes. I, I would say, yeah, the Jaws is a problem, but secondhand smoke is really, really the issue in that movie.
[00:06:30] Um, okay, so they say Yes, Sydney was smoking the doctor's office to the customer.
[00:06:35] "That dark Spader assists in the mall shoe store. I was 13 in 1988 and I lived in California, so I do remember people smoking in public places, but never inside medical facilities and stores. Weird times."
[00:06:49] Well, yeah, look, it was, if it was in Jaws. I'm gonna believe that people were smoking in ERs. Man, hell, people are smoking on planes. I mean, if you look on most planes, they still have that ashtray thing there as if it might come back. And who knows the way things are going lately. You know, one day someone could be like, yay, you know what? We actually figured out smoking in, uh, an airplane is good for your lungs.
[00:07:15] Actually you should smoke in an airplane now. And we'll do it and it will just be back and people will be upset about it, but we'll just have to embrace it. Um, Megan writes,
[00:07:24] "Second Sole is actually a shoe store that I go to in Akron, Ohio. It is indeed a running shoe store, and it's distinct from the chain of other running shoe stores in northeast Ohio. Also named Second Sole. The chain of stores predates this in the movie, which makes me wonder if Rowdy Harrington was driving through, uh, Ohio one day and decided to put it in the movie."
[00:07:49] Well, Megan, if you're telling me that there are two chains of stores called Second Soul in Ohio, I just feel like it's people being really lazy about naming their shoe store.
[00:08:02] Like, and by the way, second sole means, is it just a shoe store for shoes that you're not wearing on the reg? Anyway. I love it. Dove writes,
[00:08:13] "As Paul discussed, oh, I love when it's about me. Paul discussed the original plan was to call the movie Red Rain, but they couldn't get the rights to Peter Gabriel's song of the same name to run over the opening titles. So Harrington scrapped this idea and had a soundalike song made. The new song was Red Harvest, but he didn't call the movie by that name. He went with Jack's back instead. Why? Because if they'd gone with Red Harvest, they would've been using the title of a famous Dashel Hammett novel to make a completely unrelated movie, Hammett's Red Harvest did inspire Keras Yo Jimbo, which in turn inspired Sir Giuliani's, A Fist Full of Dollars and the Bruce Willis movie Last Man Standing."
[00:08:53] Good movie. If I remember it correctly, remember when we made a lot of westerns, like there was a time like in that early nineties, like the Quicken the Dead. Tombstone. Wyatt Earp. Last Man Standing. Uh, and there was that other one. There's another one in that mix too. That was kind of popular. Uh, yeah. We really got bring 'em back.
[00:09:16] We haven't made a Western in a long time. Somebody go make that. Maybe I will. Um, anyway, let's go to the phones. What do we got? First one up is, oh my favorite Caller Anonymous.
[00:09:28] Listener: Hey Paul, long time fan. Love you guys. Love your show. Love The League. Uh, I'm a longtime Cubs fan, and you seem to wonder why there was, uh, a Cubs reference in your latest, uh, review of, um, Jack's Back.
[00:09:43] And that's because from, I think it was from like 1921 to 1951, the Cubs did their spring training on Catalina Island and, uh, Wrigley, uh, the, uh, the senior, he bought the, uh, PCL Angels and constructed essentially another Wrigley field in LA. So, um, you can search it and find it and all that good stuff.
[00:10:09] So I hope that answers your question as to why there's a Cubs hat and why, uh, there's a Cubs link to LA. Anyway, love the show. Love you guys. June is great in Weapons and, uh, I look forward to seeing whatever you guys do next. Talk to you later.
[00:10:25] Paul Scheer: Wow. Uh, first of all, great, great observation. Um, I don't think it was that specific.
[00:10:34] I, I think it, the path of least resistance is that, uh, he could have been born in Chicago, I guess. Was it established where they were born? I don't know. I don't think anyone is a fan of a team that does spring training on Catalina Island. I mean, I know that the Dallas Cowboys, uh, practice in Oxnard. I, I'm not seeing a lot of cowboy fans out here.
[00:11:00] Anyway, I love that deep research. Thank you. Anonymous. Uh, next up. Peter from New York.
[00:11:06] Listener: Hey, How It's Made. Love the show. Just wanted to do one small correction. I was watching Jack's back with my wife. During the film and after the film, she, uh, and I discussed multiple times how odd it was that in the eighties, the what up Foosball man, uh, was doing these, uh, back alley abortions because abortion in the eighties in California was definitely legal and the sex worker did not need to pay $200 for a hotel room 'cause she could have just gone to Planned Parenthood, which was, I'm pretty certain still in operation. So that makes almost no sense, maybe less sense or maybe just as much, just as little sense as the noose being ready in the weird church auditorium in the hospital. Anyway, I'd love to show can't wait till you guys come to New York.
[00:11:52] Have a good one.
[00:11:52] Paul Scheer: Wow. Good question. Well, uh, Peter Dove from our discord actually had the same question as you and rewound the movie to find out an answer. You see, dove says that Sydnee, AKA, Dr. Shouty McAsshole shouted at the sex worker at the clinic and said she was two weeks past the legal limit. So that's why she had to rely on Jack for the abortion, although she didn't appear to be that pregnant in the scene. So she would have to be 24 weeks pregnant. I would imagine you are showing at 24 weeks. So again, let's get into it. I need to know more about the abortion laws in California and especially the abortion laws back then. Um, but you know what, uh. I, I, I feel like we have gone so deep on this and I'm so impressed.
[00:12:49] I don't think we can top it. So maybe we just switch up the segment right now and go to a quick ask Paul. That's right. Uh, chance for you to ask me an unrelated question to Jack Back. Uh, so Mel, what's on your mind?
[00:13:03] Listener: Hey, Paul, how you doing? I just had a couple quick questions for you. Number one, I've noticed throughout the years that you and June have very distinct laughs, but they seem to mimic each other. Yours, uh, seems to be more like when you're laughing really hard, it's like, ha ha ha. And June is more like, ha ha ha.
[00:13:26] So I'm just curious who adopted whose laugh pattern? Did you start it when you first met? Did she start it when it first met? You know, it's almost like when you adopt a pet and you start to look alike.
[00:13:37] One of you is copying the other. So I'm just curious who was the origin source? Um, the second question is, I'm a huge fan of Shark Tank. I'm also a huge fan of The Profit. I know you're a fan of The Profit as well. And now there's a new market show called The Fixer, and I'm watching it now on YouTube. You can find all the episodes for free.
[00:13:56] Easy peasy. Um, it's a little bit different, but I'm just curious, what are your general thoughts on the Fixer? Um, again, thanks so much for doing the podcast. I've been to your live show many times and huge fan, brother. Uh, take care.
[00:14:10] Paul Scheer: Um, interesting. I've never noticed that. Maybe we do. That's very cute. Um, I love June's laugh.
[00:14:17] Well, okay, well I'm now gonna pay attention to it. I'm not gonna tell June. I'm gonna do a little research on my own. I have not watched the new Marcus Limona show The Fixer. I love Marcus. We were gonna have Marcus on the show at one point, uh, because we were just huge fans. I should, I should watch it. I, I don't have, I wish I had a better answer.
[00:14:37] No, the answer is no. I have not watched it and I was thinking, why haven't I watched it? And I was like, well, I really don't even watch TV anymore, so I'd really have to go outta my way to find it. I had no idea that it was called The Fixer. And is it different than like Bar Rescue or is it like the same thing as Bar Rescue?
[00:14:51] Either way, you have now gotten me very excited to watch a brand new show. Now can I convince my wife with the same laugh, uh, to put aside Task, a show that we are, um. Really getting through at a slow pace because, uh, for June and I to watch a show together, she'll normally fall asleep, uh, during an hour long episode.
[00:15:12] So it takes us, I would say, three days to get through a 45 minute to 60 minute show. We very rarely watch shows together. We have decided that Task is the one, and I have watched, uh, the first episode now. Wow. Four times. Got better and better. Um, I did, I went from being like, I'm okay with this show to, I actually, I think I like it now.
[00:15:36] I'm in, I, I do like the show and that is someone who has, uh, watched episode one a handful of times and is, uh, on the third viewing of episode two. All right, uh, back to the Discord. Rocket Wesker writes,
[00:15:51] "When they said Dark Spader was an army medic, I thought the movie was gonna make him utilize his medical skill in some way, like impersonating his brother at the clinic or using medical knowledge to analyze the evidence in crime scene.
[00:16:02] But no. It's just used to make police think that he's a suspect. And his medical skill was never brought up again. He used past gangster skills and shoe salesman skills to solve the case. But Army Medic, not so much."
[00:16:16] Uh, thank you. Rocket Wesker. Good call there. Uh, Dang Tootin,
[00:16:21] "Regarding Paul and Jason's reminiscence of the 1980s doll, My Buddy, I have a great story to share. For the first years of my life, my parents always referred to my penis as a buddy for some reason. Okay. Sounds like a Paul story. And now they might be, you know, uh. Like, Hey, you're holding your buddy. Do you have to pee? Naturally, I assume that a penis is called a buddy. So you can imagine my 8-year-old shock when I first saw the commercial for a doll called My Buddy.
[00:16:51] The next day at school, I went up to my friends and said, have you guys seen that commercial from my buddy? I can't believe that. And they were like, um, what? What's the issue? And I was like, the toy is named after a penis. And everyone was like, what? What the hell are you talking about? And that's when I started to question the validity of buddy being a euphemism for penis. And I saw my parents in a different light. Ha ha."
[00:17:16] Uh, Dang Tootin, great story, great share. Very Paul Scheer coded and I appreciate that. And that's gonna really, uh, weigh today as I take stock of who had the best correction and omission. And I gotta tell you, you know what? It is going to be Dang Tootin because never in the history of this show has someone shared their own Paul story.
[00:17:40] Yeah. People have come outta the woodwork to say that they, you know, kissed their mom and they wanna support me in that, but no one ever put it in a corrections and omissions. So Dang Tootin, you are our winner. And Rob from Long Island's got a great theme. Hit it.
[00:17:56] Music: [Winner's Song]
[00:17:57] Paul Scheer: All right, stick around because when we are back we got Tom Scharpling and some other really fun surprises. Remember, if you wanna leave a message about the movie that we're talking about, not like an old movie, just keep it.
[00:18:09] You know, current, uh, you can go to our Discord and you can always gimme me a call, ask me a question about life, Marcus Lemons, or leave a correction in omission about the movie that we talked to at 6 1 9 P-A-U-L-A-S-K. That's 6 1 9 Paul Ask, and by the way, I wanna ask you a question. Are you watching the Dark Web every Monday, Rob Huebel and I, uh, take on the internet.
[00:18:32] That's right. And we have some special shows coming up. Uh, we've broken format and, uh. Oh man, I, I can't even tease it until we get there, but it's, it's gonna be, it's one of my favorite things that we've done. Uh, I can't wait. Uh, hopefully it comes out good. Uh, it's a big swing. Anyway, we'll be right back.
[00:18:51] Hope you are checking out our matinees. All right. Because every week we put up an old episode. This week we did Dead Fall, which was a Nicholas Cage film, right? One of the most unhinged performances from him. And next week we are going to be talking about the Mariah Carey flop Glitter with. Adam Scott, Casey Wilson and Dan Levy.
[00:19:14] So keep on checking out all of our replays of classic episodes every Tuesday. Okay? But now enough about all that. Let's have a chat, a chat with somebody that I think is, um, truly an inventor of the podcast game, and I, and I feel bad calling it a podcast because Tom Scharpling has been doing the best show for 25 years.
[00:19:39] Started off as a radio show on WFMU. He is, uh, a writer who has worked on such varied shows as What We Do in the Shadows and Monk. Um, he has a brand new show coming out with Matt Berry from What We Do in the Shadows and Natasha Leon, we're gonna talk about that in just a bit. But more importantly, he's gonna be taking Best Show on the road to celebrate this giant anniversary.
[00:20:04] So without any further ado, please welcome to the show. The one, the only, the great Tom Scharpling.
[00:20:19] Music: [Just Chat Intro Song]
[00:20:34] Paul Scheer: For the last 25 years, this man has been running truly, uh, uh, a pioneering show. I'm not even call it a podcast because it didn't even start as a podcast, started a radio show. This is entertainment. It is every Tuesday. It's live. It's great. Tom Scharpling. Happy 25 years of The Best Show.
[00:21:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow.
[00:21:02] Tom Scharpling: That's too much. I can't, I did something wrong. Clearly.
[00:21:07] Paul Scheer: You, I mean, this is the thing about you, Tom, and this show.
[00:21:10] Tom Scharpling: Mm-hmm.
[00:21:10] Jason Mantzoukas: You're a radio man. You're just, you're a radio man.
[00:21:14] Tom Scharpling: Yeah. I'm just an old Dj sitting in the, like, Wolfman jack in, uh, American Graffiti with dark popsicles.
[00:21:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, just because I feel like the show is such a phenomenal meld of whatever you're interested in doing in that moment and talking through bits, or talking through bits, like what were like, what did, what did you listen to? Like, was there stuff that you were, were you a someone who was like, oh, I am like listening to Phil Hendry, or I am listening to, um, uh, uh, you know.
[00:21:48] Tom Scharpling: Mm-hmm.
[00:21:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Or is it like, uh, just regular, it's Howard Stern or it's like terrestrial radio or whatever?
[00:21:54] Tom Scharpling: Yeah, it was a lot of different things. It was, um, I didn't listen to Phil Hendry. That was a West Coast thing, and I was New Jersey. And then when I heard about Phil Henry, I was like, strangely enough, I was like, I don't want to hear it. Cause I feel like it would be too much of an influence. I've kind of never heard Phil Henry to this day.
[00:22:14] Jason Mantzoukas: How about Joe Frank? Have you heard Joe Frank?
[00:22:17] Tom Scharpling: I heard plenty of Joe Frank on WFMU because they aired Joe Frank on WFMU.
[00:22:22] Jason Mantzoukas: That's how I used to listen to it.
[00:22:23] Tom Scharpling: Yeah.
[00:22:23] Jason Mantzoukas: That's, you know, that's, it was incredible.
[00:22:26] Tom Scharpling: And Joe Frank was, was about, um, what you could do with audio to me in terms of like, he was doing a completely different thing that I would never even be able to do, but, I knew it was like, oh, this guy's taken full advantage of the medium. And that was the exciting part of that.
[00:22:45] Paul Scheer: And, and for people who've never heard the show, I just wanna give them an idea of what they're in store for, for every episode, or at least the idea.
[00:22:52] Like you're gonna come in with a topic, whatever that topic might be, you're gonna introduce a topic, you're gonna be talking to people. Then somewhere, uh, uh, in the middle of the show, you're gonna get a phone call from a, an interesting character. Somebody who might, you think, oh, well this person, this is a calling in, and a lot of them, uh, have hailed from, uh, New Bridge, New Jersey.
[00:23:10] Tom Scharpling: Mm-hmm.
[00:23:11] Paul Scheer: They, and, and you'll interact with this character, and this is like the centerpiece of the show or it's like when I first started to listen to you, I was on these CDs. I had these CDs, the best of these phone calls. It's you and John Worcester, uh, who, uh, you might know as the used to be the drummer for Superchunk.
[00:23:28] Uh, and these are some of the funniest, big sketches They remind me of Nichols and May. They remind me of, uh, you know, interview with the, you know, was it 1000 Year Old Man? Or 2000?
[00:23:38] Jason Mantzoukas: 2000 year old man?
[00:23:38] Paul Scheer: Yeah, 2000 year old man. You know, like it has that vibe where it's like these long 30, 40 minute bits that they start off in one direction and then they just morph and you're just in this zone and these characters come back.
[00:23:51] It's so much fun to listen to and opposed to many other shows, and even Phil Hendry himself, it's just you and John. So it really is this duo. It's, it really, you know, it's, it's not like, oh, and next week you have in so-and-so and they're doing a funny call. I think that that's one of the things that makes the show kind of so fun and unique too.
[00:24:09] Tom Scharpling: Oh, well, thank you. That's, yeah. No, John and I hit on something early and. Like there were stretches where other people called in and do funny stuff. Um, like John Benjamin would do stuff, uh, Sam Cedar and John Glazer and Andy Earls. And, but then there was a point where I was just like, the thing that me and John are doing is the thing, and I kind of need to just focus on that being the thing and doing that was just kind of validated the thing that me and John have, and then we were just partners forever.
[00:24:48] Paul Scheer: It's so fun. Just listen to it. Listen to a, a best, uh, a Best Show. You 25 years, you're going on the road.
[00:24:53] Tom Scharpling: I'm very excited about it. We're gonna do the Bellhouse and. New York and LA and Chicago and Philadelphia. It'll be super fun 'cause we don't, we're, John lives in North Carolina and I used to live in New Jersey and I lived in, now I'm in Los Angeles, so we've never done the show from the same place outside of like a very small window where John lived in New York, but, we're not together for the most part, and this will be us being together.
[00:25:20] So it's pretty, pretty rare.
[00:25:21] Jason Mantzoukas: That's very, so it's really unique. Yeah. That's cool. I, I would love to see that. That's great.
[00:25:26] Paul Scheer: These shows are, uh, 10/11, 10/12, 10/13, 10/15, and 10/21. That's Brooklyn, Philly, LA, and Chicago. Now I do, I want to go in a different direction just for a second. Uh, for people who don't know, not only are you this, uh, this sh uh, showman, but you also are a, a, a great, uh, writer.
[00:25:44] Tom Scharpling: Mm-hmm.
[00:25:44] Paul Scheer: You've written many, uh, television episodes. You've created shows, but the thing I, I think about a lot, and I was referencing it just the other day, was you wrote a, a script for Grownups 3 on, uh, on, on spec. Just you, em you embraced the universe and, uh, and, and got a Grownups 3 spec out there, which I have to say, it was it, it was one of those bits. I mean, is it a bit, I mean, is it, I don't know. Is it a bit, I don't, you know, it, it could work. It could work. This Grownup 3 could work.
[00:26:17] Tom Scharpling: I was going through a thing at a point, and you know, what it came down to ultimately was, you know, when you, you make a joke with a friend and then you're just like, oh, what if this existed?
[00:26:28] Can you imagine that? And you joke about it and you laugh, and then there's always that moment where you're just like, what if I actually did write that? And then you're like, no, I'm not gonna actually do that. But then I was like, yeah, I'm kind of got some free time right now and I'm enjoying being by myself.
[00:26:49] Like I guess it was not a great stretch. So I just spent a weekend and I wrote it over a weekend. I wrote like this 55 page script in like two days. It just poured out. Then it was Jason, Jason Waller, who was the person I was joking about it with. And then I was like, Hey Jason. I wrote that script and then, and I sent it to him and he was like, well, this is insane.
[00:27:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh my God.
[00:27:14] Tom Scharpling: And then I started sending it around and then people are like, it turned into like this weird rorschach test with Adam Sandler. Some people were just like, read it and then they go, oh my God, I hate Adam Sandler so much and I can tell how much you hate him because of this script. And other people were like, man, I love those movies too and I can just see there's so much love for what he does in here. Like people's saw what, what they wanted to see in it. It was really fascinating.
[00:27:42] Paul Scheer: Well, I think that you captured a tone that is, it like, and I guess either way that you look at it. Have you, have you like I I go to the mat for Hubie Halloween. I think it really made me laugh. It's a very funny movie. I, and people get mad at me for saying that, but I am not taking it back.
[00:27:57] Tom Scharpling: Well, they should not get. Paul, they gotta cut you some slack with this. Yeah. You know what you're talking about. It's a, it's a fun movie.
[00:28:04] Paul Scheer: Fun.
[00:28:05] Tom Scharpling: It's fun. What they, what are they?
[00:28:06] Jason Mantzoukas: I will not, I will not stand here and let you guys promote Hubie Halloween one more second.
[00:28:11] Tom Scharpling: Netflix. It's on Netflix.
[00:28:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Because we all know it's a Huebel it should be Huebel Halloween.
[00:28:15] Paul Scheer: Uh, Huebel Halloween.
[00:28:15] Tom Scharpling: That's true.
[00:28:16] Paul Scheer: By the way. Uh, we are not just referencing something you cannot read. Uh, the.
[00:28:20] Tom Scharpling: Yeah.
[00:28:20] Paul Scheer: If you go to the, the best, uh, Best Show for Life website, you can read Grownups 3.
[00:28:25] Tom Scharpling: It's floating around. Yeah. It, it was one of those things where like, it started to like make it. Make the rounds a little bit.
[00:28:35] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:28:35] Tom Scharpling: And then people who were in it, some people read it who are in it.
[00:28:40] Jason Mantzoukas: I know. That's what I was gonna wonder next. Yeah.
[00:28:42] Tom Scharpling: I know Nick Swardson read it. He was just like, this is funny. He said, there's a funny script going around Grownups 3. And then um David Spade, I heard read it and thought it was funny. But then there was the point when talking to Adam McKay and he's just like, should I send it to Sandler? And then I was like, oh, I don't know about that. I don't know. And then it made it to Adam Sandler through another channel, through more like through the Safdie channel that I have.
[00:29:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. Sure.
[00:29:16] Tom Scharpling: And more or less I, I think it might have. It might have, it might, I don't know how it got there, but I know that someone in that camp heard him at one point go, what's the deal with this Grownups 3 thing? Like, like.
[00:29:27] Jason Mantzoukas: And quite a bit of your Grownups 3 script ended up in Uncut Gems. Right?
[00:29:31] Tom Scharpling: !Pretty much. I, I'm, I'm right now arbitrating with the writer's guild about, no, it was, uh.
[00:29:37] Jason Mantzoukas: They've got our best interest in heart.
[00:29:39] Tom Scharpling: Yeah. It didn't. Of course they do. No, we we're heading back out guys too. Get your signs. I've got a few quips ready and I'm ready to start walking on the
[00:29:51] Paul Scheer: You came back out there earlier.
[00:29:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Wherever I was on the new, the new picket lines.
[00:29:55] Tom Scharpling: Oh my God. When I walked, I was, I walked the picket lines over by Warner. No, no. By Universal. By Universal. And it was like. First of all, I'm watching everybody. Oh, Jay Leno pulled up and had hot dogs or whatever, and oh, here's so, and all these famous people, I walked that universal picket line, first of all, I almost got hit by a car every day.
[00:30:17] It's, it was directly off the 1 0 1. People are pulling off that lankershim ramp as if they're still on the highway. Um.
[00:30:26] Paul Scheer: Didn't they cut back the trees there too? So you guys would have no shade.
[00:30:29] Tom Scharpling: I think that was the Warner Brothers one where they cut the trees.
[00:30:32] Paul Scheer: Oh, okay. Yeah.
[00:30:32] Tom Scharpling: But this one, they didn't have to do anything to make this any worse. This was just bad. You know when you go past Universal Studios and there's that giant hill that goes up and like, yeah, yeah, you're gonna drive to the, to the City Walk or whatever. It's like, that's where we were picketing.
[00:30:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Ugh.
[00:30:50] Tom Scharpling: I was there so many times. The only star power I ever saw at it was one Sklar brother.
[00:30:58] Jason Mantzoukas: And you, you couldn't tell which one.
[00:31:00] Tom Scharpling: Uh, it was Jason. I could tell. Thankfully. I could tell, I could tell the S brother.
[00:31:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. 'cause he was wearing glasses.
[00:31:04] Tom Scharpling: Yeah. And that's the trick with the Sklar brothers. Yes. Can't tell one. Jason. He has glasses on J-A-S-O-N. That's how you.
[00:31:16] Paul Scheer: Oh, wow. Okay. Got it. Got it.
[00:31:17] Tom Scharpling: It makes me sound like Tony Robbins or something with like mind, mind gymnastics. But that was it. One Sklar brother once also, he didn't come back. He just like, he was like, this sucks nobody cool up here.
[00:31:32] Paul Scheer: I did hear, I now, I I will say, I did hear he got hit by a car. So this is, uh, yeah.
[00:31:36] Tom Scharpling: Rest in power.
[00:31:37] Paul Scheer: Um, um, Tom, the other, uh, thing that I feel like I just wanna mention, I, I texted you about this now, Jason, you may not even know this, you know, Tom has a, a new show, uh.
[00:31:49] Jason Mantzoukas: I, I did not know this.
[00:31:50] Paul Scheer: A show with Natasha Leone and Matt Berry. Can you tell us a little bit about this show? 'Cause it it is, it got me so pumped, uh, when I heard about it, but yeah, I'll let you pitch it.
[00:32:00] Tom Scharpling: Yeah. For like a couple years I've been working on this thing, the idea of like doing this retro, the word retro is getting thrown around with it because it's, it's funny and stupid then that apparently means retro now, because people don't want to be both of those things.
[00:32:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Well now people are very comfortable with stupid, but they don't want funny anymore.
[00:32:19] Paul Scheer: Well, it's funny because.
[00:32:21] Jason Mantzoukas: It's, it's retro to be two things at once.
[00:32:23] Paul Scheer: I was talking to somebody the other day who said that now, uh, when you, whenever you were talking about a comedy, you have to say it's meta.
[00:32:28] It's like, it's not meta, it's just a, it's a comedy. It's, no, it's, but like, I guess it's meta if you are treating it like a drama.
[00:32:36] Tom Scharpling: It's, yeah. Honestly, I'm not sure where people's heads are at with any of these things now. It just, it's like I thought, like we all talked about it, Matt and me, and, um. Matt's producing partner about a show that would be British guy, American woman, teaming up to solve crimes.
[00:32:57] And it was like, it was like a stupid heart to heart to me. Like right, like thinking of the legendary show Heart to Heart, which Robert Wagoner and Stephanie Bower. Stephanie Bower.
[00:33:09] Paul Scheer: Adam Scott and I did that, uh, the greatest event in history of television.
[00:33:12] Tom Scharpling: Mm-hmm.
[00:33:12] Paul Scheer: Where we recreated the opening of the Heart to Heart. Yeah. Uh, theme song. A very, a action packed skiing, boating, you know, it's, it's, it's like, uh, yeah. Little spies. Little spies running around doing fun stuff.
[00:33:23] Tom Scharpling: It's the kind of show where, um, a friend of mine described it as, uh, there's a crime scene and then they show up. He's in like a tuxedo and she's in an evening gown, and they're like, what seems to be the problem here, officer?
[00:33:40] Like, they're just inserting them like, like if two fancy people show up at a crime scene, like get, get outta here. Go away. What are you? You can't come over here. But they do. They let them.
[00:33:52] Paul Scheer: It's kind of like an eighties riff on The Thin Man in a way. Right? Like, you know, like.
[00:33:56] Tom Scharpling: Yeah.
[00:33:57] Paul Scheer: Without, but in The Thin Man, they're drunks and they're whatever. And they used to be detectives. These people, they seem to be just living the high life. They, they're, they're stepping outta dynasty in a way, and then just kinda solving crimes.
[00:34:07] Tom Scharpling: Yeah. It's, it's gonna be like old TV in the fact that it's gonna just be, it's gonna be really funny and it's gonna be kinda like if you put a, uh, Roger Moore era, James Bond with like a, another person who's a lot, uh, tougher and okay and stronger. So it's kind of.
[00:34:28] Jason Mantzoukas: I love this.
[00:34:29] Paul Scheer: Is it kind like this.
[00:34:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Sounds amazing.
[00:34:30] Paul Scheer: I mean, if we're, I mean, I know it's different than Natasha, but like the way Roger Moore kind of, uh, teamed up with Grace Jones, an interesting pairing there.
[00:34:37] Tom Scharpling: Yeah, it's gonna be. I think it's gonna really be funny and we're gonna shoot it in Europe next year, so that'll be.
[00:34:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, whoa.
[00:34:46] Tom Scharpling: Its own thing.
[00:34:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, that's cool as hell.
[00:34:48] Tom Scharpling: Yeah, so I'm really looking forward to it. It's pretty exciting and it's like the best actors you could ever ask for.
[00:34:56] Paul Scheer: Oh my God.
[00:34:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Matt Berry is the funniest.
[00:34:59] Paul Scheer: Heart to heart. With Natasha and Matt Berry is.
[00:35:02] I mean, like in that vein.
[00:35:03] Tom Scharpling: Mm-hmm.
[00:35:04] Paul Scheer: Is that, that that already has gotten me, yeah. It gets me very, very excited. I am excited that you're doing this and, you know, maybe, and if he gets enough traction, then maybe that Grownups 3 script can go, because I'm gonna tell you, uh, my kids can't get enough of these grownups movies. We've, I, I've watched, uh, Grownups 1 and 2, I would say conservatively in the last month, uh, five times each.
[00:35:24] Tom Scharpling: Okay.
[00:35:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh my God.
[00:35:26] Tom Scharpling: That's a lot.
[00:35:27] Jason Mantzoukas: That's too much. Tom, are there any albums you wanna recommend right now?
[00:35:34] Tom Scharpling: Oh yeah. Well, that's a good question. I feel like now I'm in a weird, uh, lame stretch and. Um, I'm just looking at albums on my floor.
[00:35:44] Jason Mantzoukas: I'm gonna say, uh, both of us are huge, uh, Destroyer fans.
[00:35:47] Tom Scharpling: Yeah. New destroyer.
[00:35:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Uh, I'll be, wait, what did you decide? Will you be seeing him this Thursday?
[00:35:52] Tom Scharpling: I'm still not sure yet whether I'm gonna see Pulp or Destroyer.
[00:35:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Good, good. I mean, it's incredible problem to have.
[00:36:00] Tom Scharpling: Yes, exactly.
[00:36:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, I will be at Destroyer. Very excited. And one of my absolute favorite records of the year. Dan's Boogie.
[00:36:06] Tom Scharpling: Yeah. So amazing. And. He finds like another gear. It's, imagine if people, when they can't figure out Destroyer, it's like, think about if Bob Dylan changed his sound every time he put an album out.
[00:36:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:36:23] Tom Scharpling: That's what if, if he stayed Bob Dylan.
[00:36:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. But sometimes made a David Bowie record.
[00:36:29] Tom Scharpling: Exactly. And it just, sometimes it was a record with a cheap keyboard and sometimes it's a record with the E Street band, it sounds like.
[00:36:38] Jason Mantzoukas: And sometimes it's a record with Frog Guys.
[00:36:40] Tom Scharpling: Yeah. It's just, yep.
[00:36:41] Jason Mantzoukas: By the way, if Bob Dylan made a record with Frog Guys, I would be thrilled. Um, new album from the band Wednesday is fantastic, and I will also shout out the band Sharp Pins.
[00:36:52] Tom Scharpling: Steve Gun album is great.
[00:36:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Which, what is what it, what was it?
[00:36:55] Tom Scharpling: Steve Gun has an instrumental.
[00:36:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah.
[00:36:56] Tom Scharpling: Album. That's really beautiful. You And it's literally meant for us. It's called Music for Writers.
[00:37:02] Jason Mantzoukas: I love, oh, I that, Ooh, that's great.
[00:37:03] Tom Scharpling: Nice ambient stuff. And I mean, as, as he does, it's beautiful. Mm-hmm.
[00:37:08] Paul Scheer: So, great. Uh, Tom, I always ask Jason this, but like, how do you find it? Like, how do you, like, how are you finding music?
[00:37:13] Tom Scharpling: You just, um, it's funny because I am writing a book about music now, and that's one of the things I'm trying to write about is like, not giving up on finding. Like how to not give up on music as you get older and not just like stay in your comfort zone.
[00:37:29] Jason Mantzoukas: This is, I also talk about this all the time. How do you, especially with the death of those curatorial places that we used to go to.
[00:37:38] Tom Scharpling: Yeah.
[00:37:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Be they, uh, record stores like other music or Aquarius records in San Francisco.
[00:37:43] Tom Scharpling: Mm-hmm.
[00:37:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Any of those places that helped recommend. Those have all gone away.
[00:37:47] Tom Scharpling: They have, but they haven't all gone away. You could go to gimme, gimme and gimme, gimme in LA and they'll tell you about anything. There's smart people working there and I really just think you just have to pay attention a little bit and sometimes it can be as simple as, if you're on a streaming service and there's, you're listening to something you like, just look for the thing they recommend that you never have heard of and just.
[00:38:14] Paul Scheer: Got it.
[00:38:15] Tom Scharpling: Go down that road. And the cut. If you keep going down a road past that, you get somewhere else. And like if you go, oh, well what would I listen? What would the people who like this also like? Then you listen to that, then what? The people who like this, now you're out in the woods. And you're finding new things.
[00:38:33] Jason Mantzoukas: And I think one of the things that I've had success with in the Band Camp eco ecosystem.
[00:38:40] Tom Scharpling: Mm-hmm.
[00:38:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Is, is band camp will show, if I bought, um, a record, if I bought the, the Steve Gunn record that that Tom just held up.
[00:38:48] Tom Scharpling: Yeah.
[00:38:48] Jason Mantzoukas: It might show me other people who've bought that record and what else.
[00:38:53] Paul Scheer: Wow. Okay.
[00:38:53] Jason Mantzoukas: What else, have they bought? So it's also, oh, somebody who listens to that Steve Gun record. They might also have this Riley Walker record.
[00:39:01] Tom Scharpling: Mm-hmm.
[00:39:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Or this Bill McKay record that I also like instrumental guitar music. Okay, cool. You know?
[00:39:07] Tom Scharpling: Yeah, absolutely. That's.
[00:39:09] Paul Scheer: I gotta get on this. I, I, I feel myself like flailing in this world because I just, I never, I gotta, I gotta do some more exploration and, and, and that's where my, my downside is. I used to love and listen and find and, and now it's, it's bad for me.
[00:39:23] Tom Scharpling: Mm-hmm. Well, there's also things like, the other thing I would recommend is like, look at who opens for people when they do the whole tour. Not like the band that just got thrown on for one night. It's like, look who bands. Bands and acts you like. See who they pick, because that works even on the biggest possible scale you could find.
[00:39:43] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:39:43] Tom Scharpling: It's just like. Oh, well, Sabrina Carpenter opened for Taylor Swift. It's just like, that's how people found out. Like it goes as high up as that, but it, it kind of works. If the band respects somebody, there's something there that's worth checking out. If you love the band, the headliner so much, and then also just, just like pay, there are still record labels you can pay attention to. That still tracks to some degree and just find a, also find a venue like, like if you're in this area, there's a place in Pasadena called Healing Force of the Universe, that it's a record store during the day and at night they have shows. And they just have a certain type of show there. They have stuff that's a little more mellow and uh, maybe kind, you know, look, folky is a bad word for some people, but it's not a bad word. It's, but it, um, they have really nice stuff happening there and you just can look at the other bands that play there. Go to the website. Their website and see what their calendar is and if, even if you're not looking to go to shows, just check out the names, see who's headlining, and listen to a couple songs by people.
[00:40:53] You, you can get there. It does take a little more work, but you can also take advantage of the fact that you can hear things like that. You don't have to go buy an album and find out. Don't have to. You think somebody sucks actually.
[00:41:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Yeah, you can. You can be exposed immediately rather than.
[00:41:09] Tom Scharpling: Mm-hmm.
[00:41:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, I read about this record now it's gonna take me a week to actually hear a cut from it.
[00:41:14] Tom Scharpling: Exactly. Now you gotta remember what you were trying to check out. It's like the chaos that has happened. There's still patterns in the chaos that you can. You can take advantage of and utilize.
[00:41:25] Paul Scheer: You know, for me, I, what I do is, you know, I, I go to the, uh, the record store from Freakier Friday, you know, where Chad Michael Murray worked.
[00:41:32] Tom Scharpling: Mm-hmm.
[00:41:32] Paul Scheer: And I'm like, you know, I don't wanna see, uh, you know, I kind of, that's the record parlor and I kind of check out there and kinda get those vibes going and, you know, and, uh,
[00:41:38] Tom Scharpling: Yeah.
[00:41:38] Paul Scheer: And find some new bands and get some stuff like that. You know, that's where I'm at.
[00:41:41] Tom Scharpling: I think Paul, I think you've got it all figured out. I, I would rescind everything I said. Just go.
[00:41:49] Paul Scheer: You know, I saw, I was like, yeah, it seemed like there was some cool stuff going on there. Some neat stuff. Yeah. Um, if you wanna hear more of Tom and us, of course you can listen to our Avengers episode, Uma Thurman, Raf Fines. Uh, and we did that live in New York with you.
[00:42:03] Tom Scharpling: That's right. Listen, people should listen for the moment when the crowd realizes that I was the surprise guest and you hear the room just deflate that they're like, oh, I don't know who that is.
[00:42:23] Paul Scheer: (Start clip from show) You know him as the host of The Best Show. Please welcome Tom Scharpling! Welcome. Welcome. Have a seat right there.
[00:42:44] Tom Scharpling: Oh my goodness.
[00:42:46] Paul Scheer: All right. How are you, Tom?
[00:42:47] Tom Scharpling: I'm good. Listen to that completely measured applause of me being here. They heard Tom and then the only thing they wanted to hear after that was
[00:42:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Cruise!
[00:42:58] Tom Scharpling: -mas Middleditch. And then it's like, oh no. (End clip from show)
[00:43:04] It's, if you listen to it, it fe really feels like.
[00:43:08] Jason Mantzoukas: You can, you can hear the oxygen leave the room.
[00:43:10] Tom Scharpling: You hear. I think you can hear the people leave the room. Actually, you hear chairs.
[00:43:14] Jason Mantzoukas: I, that was the episode where, by the end of the show.
[00:43:17] Tom Scharpling: I walked the room.
[00:43:18] Jason Mantzoukas: The recording the, the room You had walked the whole room? Yeah.
[00:43:20] Paul Scheer: Oh my gosh. It's a classic. A classic.
[00:43:23] Tom Scharpling: But outside of that, it's a classic episode.
[00:43:25] Paul Scheer: Um, Tom, you're the best. Thank you so much. We will be listening to you and uh, seeing you out on the road. Best Show Live in October, Brooklyn, Philly, LA, Chicago. So good. We cannot wait.
[00:43:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Congratulations, Tom. 25 years.
[00:43:41] Tom Scharpling: Thank you. Thank you both. You're the best.
[00:43:42] Paul Scheer: And thanks for not retiring like that Maron coward only did 15.
[00:43:47] Tom Scharpling: He only did two episodes a week for 15 years. You were like, what a, what a tourist. He, he didn't have it. Apparently he only had the president in his garage.
[00:44:05] Paul Scheer: Thank you, Tom, for joining us. And by the way, a shout out to Rob from Long Island doing double duty with that great introduction segment for Just Chat. Now. If you wanna go see Tom on the road, just go to TheBestShow.net and click on the link for tickets.
[00:44:19] You know it works, you know how websites work. You're there. TheBestShow.net. Get your tickets to see Tom on the road and you might even see me and Jason in the crowd in Los Angeles. Alright, now's the moment you've all been waiting for it's time to announce our next movie. That's right. We're gonna be going from a scare with a noose to a bear on the loose. That's the kind of word play that this show is known for. I love it. Uh, next week we'll be kicking off a month of spooky movies with 1983's Grizzly 2 The Revenge. I will note that some streaming services do list the year of release as 2020. However, it was filmed in 1983, but not released for 37 years.
[00:45:08] Yes, Grizzly 2 TheRevenge was released in 2020, but not released for 37 years. And I don't know why because check out this cast, George Clooney, Laura Dern, and Charlie Sheen. Kind of. Okay. IMDB describes a movie like this.
[00:45:31] "All hell breaks loose when a giant grizzly reacting to the slaughter of other grizzlies by poachers attacks a massive big band rock concert in the National Park."
[00:45:43] Holy shit. I am excited. Rotten Tomatoes rates this movie, an 8% Rotten and Adam Patterson from Film Pulse says
[00:45:52] "Grizzly two is a dreadful experience, uh, but it's an oddly fascinating one as well."
[00:45:59] Take a listen to the trailer.
[00:46:01] Trailer Audio: What happened now?
[00:46:02] Grizzly killed again three kids this time.
[00:46:06] I don't want a cloud of fear on this concert and you get that grizzly and get it now.
[00:46:15] The grizzly we're seeking is huge and probably enraged.
[00:46:22] Paul Scheer: You can stream Grizzly 2 TheRevenge on Netflix, Hoopla, Tubi, the Roku channel, Pluto TV and Plex. Or you can rent it on Apple TV and Amazon Prime Video. In addition to Hoopla, I encourage you to check out your other great free media services offered by your local library like Canopy and Libby.
[00:46:42] People, that's it for Last Looks. Make sure you get your How Did This Get Made and Dinosaur tickets on the East Coast for November. And if you're listening to this show right now, make sure that you are rating and reviewing it so you can come see How Did This Get Made in Philadelphia and New York and feel like, yeah, I'm up to date on everything.
[00:47:00] Like what movies that we're doing? We haven't announced it yet, but stay tuned. All right, so people, we'll see you on social media @HDTGM. That's how we do it. And a big thank you to our producer, Scott Sonne, Molly Reynolds, and our movie picking producer Avaryl Halley, and our engineer Casey Holford. We will see you next week for Grizzly 2 The Revenge.