Gerard Butler and Jamie Foxx star in the 2009 crime thriller Law Abiding Citizen—a movie that exists in a world where lawyers and cops are the same job. LIVE from the movie's setting in Philadelphia, HDTGM all-star Adam Pally (Staying Alive) joins Paul and Jason to break down the slew of plot holes, the nude arrest scene, the cell phone headshot explosion, the old timey underground prison tunnels, the robot machine gun, and so much more. Plus, multiple audience experts provide insider info during the Q&A and June sends a message describing what she thinks the movie is about. Check out Adam's new comedy special An Intimate Evening with Adam Pally on HBO Max! Buy our t-shirt for this episode here.
Gerard Butler and Jamie Foxx star in the 2009 crime thriller Law Abiding Citizen—a movie that exists in a world where lawyers and cops are the same job. LIVE from the movie's setting in Philadelphia, HDTGM all-star Adam Pally (Staying Alive) joins Paul and Jason to break down the slew of plot holes, the nude arrest scene, the cell phone headshot explosion, the old timey underground prison tunnels, the robot machine gun, and so much more. Plus, multiple audience experts provide insider info during the Q&A and June sends a message describing what she thinks the movie is about.
Check out Adam's new comedy special An Intimate Evening with Adam Pally on HBO Max!
Buy our t-shirt for this episode here.
[00:00:00] Paul Scheer: When you can't get justice, build a tunnel. We saw a Law Abiding Citizen, so you know what that means?
[00:00:56] Music: [Intro Song]
[00:00:57] Paul Scheer: Hello people of Earth! And hello people of Philadelphia! We are live at the Miller Theater talking about a Gerard Butler classic. Some people say, Rocky is a movie from Philadelphia, and I say, no. Law Abiding Citizen is a movie from Philadelphia.
[00:01:33] Let's talk about this film, shall we? If you've not seen it, IMDB describes it like this.
[00:01:40] "A frustrated man decides to take justice into his own hands after a plea bargain sets one of his family's killers free."
[00:01:53] Law Abiding Citizen. Well, yeah, that kind skirts over a couple of details. Taglines.
[00:02:03] "A man who loses everything is capable of anything."
[00:02:08] "And then they killed his family. Now justice is his vengeance."
[00:02:13] Doesn't roll off the tongue, but it feels good. Budget, 53 million. Opening weekend 21. Domestic gross 73. This movie was successful. Worldwide, $127 million. This deserves a sequel, and hopefully tonight with all of you renting it here in Philadelphia, it might just turn the right wheels.
[00:02:47] Someone at Apple TV is like, wait a second. Hold on, Jerry, we got one. We're gonna break down this movie, A movie that makes complete and total sense. A movie that doesn't have plot holes, a movie where I don't know who I'm rooting for, and I'm okay with that. But to do it, I need to bring out my cohost.
[00:03:17] Please welcome. Jason Mantzoukas!
[00:03:28] Jason Mantzoukas: What's up, jerks!? Let's go! Let's go Philly. Oh, shit. We did it.
[00:03:41] Paul Scheer: Now Jason.
[00:03:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Paul, you said you weren't sure who you were rooting for.
[00:03:44] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:03:44] Jason Mantzoukas: I am rooting for Jerry.
[00:03:48] Paul Scheer: Well.
[00:03:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Kill 'em all. Jerry, kill 'em all.
[00:03:53] Paul Scheer: I will say I'm with you. I was upset at the end, and I'm like, then I'm interrogating myself.
[00:03:58] Jason Mantzoukas: I wish I could have driven by a crater in this city that Jerry Butler blew up.
[00:04:04] Paul Scheer: Um, did you remember I, I remembered this movie and it, it.
[00:04:09] Jason Mantzoukas: I didn't.
[00:04:10] Paul Scheer: Okay. This.
[00:04:11] Jason Mantzoukas: I hadn't seen it, but I didn't even remember it existing.
[00:04:14] Paul Scheer: This is why I remember it. And this could be completely wrong, but I don't think so. This was a spec script that was going around and people said, we have our next Seven. Like, that's, people were like, you like Seven? You gotta read this script. I remember an agent was like, everyone's going wild about this script. Now.
[00:04:38] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't know why. Other than it is a script that is like, wow, what an incredible villain.
[00:04:45] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:04:46] Jason Mantzoukas: And everybody else sucks. Everybody else is so drab and boring. I don't care about anybody but Jerry, and all I want is for him to triumph over everyone.
[00:04:57] Paul Scheer: 100%.
[00:05:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. More tunnels. Dig more tunnels, Jerry.
[00:05:06] Paul Scheer: More penises cut off by tiny little razor blades.
[00:05:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Ugh.
[00:05:11] Paul Scheer: That actually felt like. More painful for him than the guy. I'm like, you gotta get it.
[00:05:17] Jason Mantzoukas: It was too much.
[00:05:18] Paul Scheer: Just, yeah, too much.
[00:05:19] Jason Mantzoukas: It was a lot. It was, oh, that scene I fast forwarded part of.
[00:05:23] Paul Scheer: That was a little.
[00:05:24] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't need this.
[00:05:24] Paul Scheer: I don't wanna see it.
[00:05:25] Jason Mantzoukas: I, I don't need any of this.
[00:05:28] Paul Scheer: Now, we are missing one of our cots tonight. But we decided to call in a How Did This Get Made All Star, you know this person from his podcast, from his television shows like Happy Endings. From the Throwback, his brand new HBO Comedy special.
[00:05:47] Please welcome Adam Pally!
[00:06:08] Adam Pally: That's very. Let's see if you're doing that in about 45 minutes.
[00:06:14] Jason Mantzoukas: So a third of the way through the show?
[00:06:17] Adam Pally: That's generous.
[00:06:19] Paul Scheer: Adam. So excited to have you here.
[00:06:21] Adam Pally: Thank you so, so happy to be here. Thank you.
[00:06:23] Paul Scheer: I just wanna set the, the room for you in this way. Gerard Butler has become one of the people that we have done the most in the show, his films and we.
[00:06:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Maybe a patron saint of this show.
[00:06:35] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:06:35] Adam Pally: Sure. He is keeping it going.
[00:06:37] Jason Mantzoukas: And like we worship at the Church of Jerry Butler.
[00:06:40] Adam Pally: He pays you more, he pays you more than Sirius.
[00:06:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes, very much so.
[00:06:43] Paul Scheer: I will say Jerry Butler made a video for this show.
[00:06:47] Adam Pally: He knows where his bread is butlered.
[00:06:51] Paul Scheer: So I think we are, we are always predisposed to enjoy a Jerry Butler.
[00:06:54] But you're coming in. You don't have to like a Jerry Butler. I just want you to know.
[00:06:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes, you do. You do.
[00:06:58] Paul Scheer: If you feel this audience. This audience is, I mean.
[00:07:02] Adam Pally: Pro J. Pro, pro GB. Pro.
[00:07:04] Paul Scheer: Pro GB.
[00:07:05] Adam Pally: Pro GB.
[00:07:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah.
[00:07:07] Paul Scheer: Just wanted to let you know that.
[00:07:09] Adam Pally: This audience is chat GBT.
[00:07:12] Paul Scheer: We did get a little of, uh, the, Butt in Butler here too. That, that scene where I feel like they were like, we need to add like, some sexy things. But it's.
[00:07:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, the cops are about to come and get me. I better take off all my clothes.
[00:07:25] Adam Pally: I, it was, I, I'm surprised that none of the cops that came in were like, oh, you don't need.
[00:07:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:07:31] Adam Pally: You not, you don't need to.
[00:07:33] Jason Mantzoukas: I'm surprised more people just don't do this as a strategy.
[00:07:36] Adam Pally: Yeah, me too.
[00:07:37] Jason Mantzoukas: If I know they're coming for me, guess what? You have to look and touch at my dick.
[00:07:43] Adam Pally: I'm gonna start doing it if I feel threatened by someone walking behind me.
[00:07:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Done.
[00:07:47] Adam Pally: I'm gonna take my I'd be like, I got it. I know exactly what you want.
[00:07:50] Jason Mantzoukas: If I don't like the second opinion songs, I'm gonna be like.
[00:07:53] Paul Scheer: Take it off. Take it off. Um. I, I think that this movie, if you don't like this movie, if you do like this movie, it teaches a very important lesson, which is always use the peephole on your door because.
[00:08:08] Adam Pally: Yeah.
[00:08:08] Paul Scheer: He didn't use.
[00:08:09] Jason Mantzoukas: That's all, that's all it would've taken.
[00:08:10] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:08:10] Jason Mantzoukas: None of the movie happens if someone uses, if, if the people gets used it, it's like, I don't know who it is.
[00:08:18] Paul Scheer: Oh, it's a man standing with a bat cocked. Like, he opens that door. The bat wasn't from behind. It was like, I, it was like Flintstones over the shoulder, like bebunk.
[00:08:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Can I ask a, a question? Yeah. I have a couple of questions.
[00:08:30] Paul Scheer: Yeah, sure.
[00:08:31] Jason Mantzoukas: And it's about our two baddies. Uh, I can't remember their names right now. Ames and.
[00:08:37] Adam Pally: Taxidermy Jesse Plemmons.
[00:08:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Or, or, or, or Imploding William Forsyth. Um.
[00:08:47] Adam Pally: Drowned Philip Seymour Hoffman.
[00:08:50] Jason Mantzoukas: R-I-P-R-I-P. Um, but my question is about the baddies.
[00:08:55] Paul Scheer: Sure.
[00:08:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Are they there purposefully?
[00:08:58] Paul Scheer: Well, I.
[00:08:59] Jason Mantzoukas: Do we find out they're connected? Is this a random?
[00:09:02] Adam Pally: No, because he says to the guy the tagline, right? The fate tagline.
[00:09:07] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:09:07] Adam Pally: Which implies to me that he's involved with someone that Jerry has, uh, done questionable acts.
[00:09:14] Paul Scheer: And by the way.
[00:09:15] Jason Mantzoukas: I believe that too.
[00:09:15] Paul Scheer: I love that.
[00:09:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Is it ever con? I I.
[00:09:18] Paul Scheer: They never
[00:09:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.
[00:09:19] Paul Scheer: Label it as such.
[00:09:20] Jason Mantzoukas: I was wondering if I'd missed a, like a.
[00:09:22] Adam Pally: No. One of the many ends that are yet to be tied.
[00:09:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Truly. Because for them to just, it is the equivalent of Alfie Allen killing John Wick's dog.
[00:09:32] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:09:32] Jason Mantzoukas: It's like why, why, what?
[00:09:35] Paul Scheer: You could take a spoiler from John Wick one.
[00:09:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Hang on.
[00:09:37] Adam Pally: Oh, you guys don't know. That's why he does everything.
[00:09:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Get out. Get out. John Wick's dog dies in one.
[00:09:43] Adam Pally: You bring up a good.
[00:09:44] Jason Mantzoukas: In the Prestige, he's playing twins.
[00:09:48] Adam Pally: Dude.
[00:09:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Dumbledore dies.
[00:09:51] Paul Scheer: He's not playing twins. He is twin.
[00:09:54] Jason Mantzoukas: He's playing.
[00:09:56] Paul Scheer: Just like Danny DeVito and Arnold Schwartz.
[00:09:58] Adam Pally: I'll tell you about The Usual Suspects, but I'd rather tell you about Kevin Spacey, where he ended up.
[00:10:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, I, I wasn't sure, were they there because of some vendetta against Jerry Butler or was it just random?
[00:10:10] Paul Scheer: It would seem like at one point there's moments where they confront each other, where someone could say like, you see? Like, but they don't, they don't do it. I mean, he says like, you can't escape fate, but without any backstory. That's a tough line. It's like, well, if you have kids and a wife, they will get murdered and raped. That's fate.
[00:10:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Is that, is that it? You got out, you started a family, but we're gonna pull you back in?
[00:10:37] Paul Scheer: I don't think that those people.
[00:10:38] Adam Pally: You can't run. It's like you still did all that, that hit manning.
[00:10:41] Jason Mantzoukas: I could, yes, could, yes, could. But.
[00:10:43] Paul Scheer: It seems like he's killing like leaders of third world countries. He's, it wasn't like he was taking care of business.
[00:10:47] Jason Mantzoukas: And he's also a tac. They keep saying he's a tactician.
[00:10:50] Adam Pally: An engineer
[00:10:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Strategist.
[00:10:51] Adam Pally: An engineer.
[00:10:52] Jason Mantzoukas: And a brain. He's not like.
[00:10:53] Adam Pally: And now the first scene we do meet him, he is dealing with explosives at the kitchen table.
[00:10:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:10:58] Adam Pally: While his daughter is drawing.
[00:11:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, it's so good.
[00:11:02] Adam Pally: But you bring.
[00:11:03] Jason Mantzoukas: And I love that they try and make him nerdy at the beginning.
[00:11:06] Adam Pally: Yeah. It's, oh my God. It's like, yeah. All of a sudden he, Jerry Butler's, Rick Moranis.
[00:11:11] Paul Scheer: Uh, if we put his hair down, he'll look real nerdy.
[00:11:14] Adam Pally: Yeah.
[00:11:14] Paul Scheer: Because like, he even does stuff like, oh, but I, oh, uh.
[00:11:17] Jason Mantzoukas: I also couldn't figure out what is the timeframe of this movie.
[00:11:22] Paul Scheer: 10 years passed, and it's very hard to tell.
[00:11:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, what?
[00:11:24] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:11:25] Adam Pally: Yeah. They say 10 years. Yeah.
[00:11:27] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:11:27] Jason Mantzoukas: When?
[00:11:28] Paul Scheer: Because.
[00:11:29] Jason Mantzoukas: When do, wait, wait.
[00:11:31] Paul Scheer: Because.
[00:11:32] Jason Mantzoukas: I'm not kidding. When do those 10 years pass?
[00:11:33] Paul Scheer: When Jamie Fox comes home from the first trial, he's like, lemme talk to my daughter. And Regina's pregnant. And then the daughter's like playing in a cello concert.
[00:11:42] Adam Pally: It takes 10 years.
[00:11:43] Jason Mantzoukas: That's the same daughter?
[00:11:44] Adam Pally: Yeah.
[00:11:44] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:11:47] Adam Pally: It takes, yeah.
[00:11:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. Okay. That helps me.
[00:11:51] Paul Scheer: No, but I also.
[00:11:51] Jason Mantzoukas: That helps, that does help me because I didn't.
[00:11:54] Paul Scheer: Yes. I guess.
[00:11:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Cause I was like, when the fuck did he dig this tunnel? When did he dig the tunnel?
[00:12:00] Paul Scheer: He had 10 years of digging.
[00:12:01] Jason Mantzoukas: 10. Okay. He had 10 years. Okay. Okay. Okay. Holy shit. That fucked me up.
[00:12:06] Adam Pally: Yeah.
[00:12:07] Jason Mantzoukas: I wrote so many times where, what's the timeframe? Where didn't, he just didn't, this ju I I was so confused.
[00:12:13] Adam Pally: Well, the amount of times that I wrote down, what year was this movie made?
[00:12:17] Jason Mantzoukas: This is a great.
[00:12:18] Adam Pally: Cause everyone has flip phones, but also everyone has iPhones.
[00:12:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. Smart phones and landlines.
[00:12:24] Adam Pally: And landlines and iPhones and old school recording tech.
[00:12:28] Jason Mantzoukas: I'm pretty sure I saw a Sidekick.
[00:12:29] Adam Pally: Like Yeah. A uh, an Iraq two bomb robot.
[00:12:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:12:34] Adam Pally: The year.
[00:12:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Iraq two. The, the, just the, the empire. The Empire Strikes Back of Iraq Wars.
[00:12:40] Paul Scheer: I was gonna say.
[00:12:41] Adam Pally: You could tell the robot looked janky. Wasn't from the first one.
[00:12:45] Paul Scheer: Uh, 2009. 2009. It's been.
[00:12:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.
[00:12:48] Paul Scheer: It's, you know, it's, it's right in that moment.
[00:12:50] Jason Mantzoukas: I would've said earlier.
[00:12:51] Adam Pally: You, you mentioned John Wick, Paul.
[00:12:53] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:12:53] Adam Pally: And like, I thought it had way more John Wick than Seven.
[00:12:57] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:12:58] Adam Pally: But was John, was the first John Wick made by the time this movie was made?
[00:13:03] Paul Scheer: Let's see. I mean, I don't think.
[00:13:05] Jason Mantzoukas: I think it's 2012.
[00:13:06] Paul Scheer: 2012. All right.
[00:13:06] Adam Pally: Because.
[00:13:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Or later.
[00:13:07] Adam Pally: That's crazy to me that John Wick, the Keanu Reeves.
[00:13:12] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:13:12] Adam Pally: Who says like two words in that whole franchise is more likable for revenge murders for his dog than Gerard Butler for the murder and raping of his wife and child.
[00:13:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:13:25] Paul Scheer: I.
[00:13:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:13:27] Paul Scheer: I, I mean, this is the tricky thing though, because this is a movie where I feel like there's a lot of big dick energy between both stars, because like Jamie Foxx is like, well, I'm not a bad guy. And, and Gerard Butler's like, but I gotta also be sympathetic. Like they're too sympathetic.
[00:13:43] Jason Mantzoukas: The movie, the movie that it reminded me of was The Fugitive.
[00:13:45] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:13:46] Jason Mantzoukas: For a lot of it before he goes to prison, obviously.
[00:13:48] Paul Scheer: Sure.
[00:13:48] Adam Pally: How? When you saw The Fugitive, were you on mushrooms?
[00:13:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:13:51] Adam Pally: How does this remind you of The Fugitive?
[00:13:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Just that idea of that, the injustice of, now obviously he's not blamed for it.
[00:13:58] Adam Pally: Sure.
[00:13:58] Jason Mantzoukas: But the injustice of the, the inciting incident is his wife and daughter are murdered. Justice is not served. Now he's not culp made culpable, but nonetheless he's.
[00:14:07] Paul Scheer: I thought he was.
[00:14:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Jerry.
[00:14:09] Paul Scheer: Oh, oh, oh.
[00:14:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Jerry Butler's not blame, I'm sorry, is what I mean in this movie, but nonetheless, and it then becomes about the two of them on opposite sides. But like Jamie Fox is outmatched in every single way at every single turn.
[00:14:23] Paul Scheer: But I don't see, and yeah, go ahead. Sorry.
[00:14:24] Jason Mantzoukas: And when they meet the guy in the subway and he's like. I, I'm a spy. He's.
[00:14:28] Adam Pally: Oh, I love that guy.
[00:14:29] Jason Mantzoukas: He, he's not even, even, he's not even what I am.
[00:14:32] Adam Pally: This movie has so many bad writing. I, I wrote them down.
[00:14:36] Jason Mantzoukas: So many bad writing?
[00:14:37] Adam Pally: So many bad writing.
[00:14:38] Jason Mantzoukas: And it has.
[00:14:38] Paul Scheer: That's the only way to say it.
[00:14:39] Jason Mantzoukas: It has so many bad writing.
[00:14:41] Adam Pally: It has so many bad writing.
[00:14:42] Jason Mantzoukas: I think this podcast has so many bad writing.
[00:14:44] Adam Pally: That, and that comes from someone who does so much good reading.
[00:14:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, wait, was that a quote?
[00:14:48] Adam Pally: I do so much good reading. So I.
[00:14:50] Paul Scheer: Gene knows about bad writing.
[00:14:51] Adam Pally: I know bad writing, but there's so much, there's so many lines. Like.
[00:14:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:14:57] Adam Pally: She's 10 years old, Rick. It's like, okay.
[00:15:02] Paul Scheer: Well when Leslie Bib says I'm 35, and you're like, well, it doesn't seem like she's like, and I've devoted a lot of my life. I'm like, wait, is she supposed to be way younger?
[00:15:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, what she's saying is, I've given up on having certain things because I believe in this job, which is to say at 35, she thinks she's like, washed up.
[00:15:19] Paul Scheer: Well, that's what I was trying to.
[00:15:20] Jason Mantzoukas: She's RIP and then she does die.
[00:15:23] Adam Pally: Wait a minute. That's Leslie Bibb?
[00:15:24] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:15:25] Jason Mantzoukas: That's B. Holy shit.
[00:15:30] Adam Pally: Honestly, I thought it was the girl from Suits.
[00:15:33] Paul Scheer: Not Meghan Markle.
[00:15:34] Jason Mantzoukas: Meghan Markle?
[00:15:35] Adam Pally: No, I know Meghan Markle
[00:15:37] Jason Mantzoukas: From Suits.
[00:15:38] Adam Pally: There's a tall blonde in Suits.
[00:15:40] Paul Scheer: Yes, I know you're talking about. Yes. No, that's.
[00:15:41] Adam Pally: I was like, oh, I guess it never happened for her after that.
[00:15:44] Jason Mantzoukas: How much suit, how much suits are you watching?
[00:15:46] Adam Pally: Oh, um, the what, the LA one or?
[00:15:49] Paul Scheer: Yeah, I'm, I'm trying to get a petition to get the LA one back. Um, I remember that Suits, I remember that, that Suits.
[00:15:59] Jason Mantzoukas: That's the, uh, that's the Cupertino one.
[00:16:01] Paul Scheer: Suits for whatever reason, like someone in the marketing department at USA was like, I got it. What if we infiltrate every dry cleaner and make all the, uh, the dry cleaner, like hangers have suits ads on them. For a year, all my dry cleaner only had Suits ads whenever I pick up my dry cleaning, and I was like, this is great. I loved it.
[00:16:24] Jason Mantzoukas: How many people is that working on? How many people are like, what should we put on tonight?
[00:16:30] Adam Pally: Right.
[00:16:30] Jason Mantzoukas: You know what I just got from the dry cleaner. My, my winter coat. We should watch Suits.
[00:16:37] Paul Scheer: It looks good. That are like, you know, and especially if the dry cleaner does a great job, like wow, they got that stain outta their shirt that just Suits is probably as good as them getting that stand out. And they were right.
[00:16:49] Adam Pally: I mean that's how, that's how FX got me to watch The Bear. I was walking, I was walking down the street. A wild bear was chasing me.
[00:17:01] Jason Mantzoukas: They always smart.
[00:17:01] Adam Pally: How was someone, someone was like. Chuck.
[00:17:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:17:04] Adam Pally: And the bear turned around was totally trained, and then they were like, watch The Bear Season five.
[00:17:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Nice.
[00:17:08] Adam Pally: Coming on Fx. It's like, that is good. Good marketing.
[00:17:10] Paul Scheer: That's fx. FX is always about being creative in the ad space.
[00:17:12] Adam Pally: Good marketing.
[00:17:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, they just walk around too, I hear, just screaming at people behind. Behind. And when you, when you turn around, they're like, watch The Bear. And then I just say, yes chef. Which is also what I say in bed.
[00:17:28] Adam Pally: Well, yeah, that's because the other person's yelling behind.
[00:17:34] Jason Mantzoukas: Good to have you back, Pally.
[00:17:37] Adam Pally: Happy to be here.
[00:17:38] Jason Mantzoukas: I love that. The, I'm sorry, go ahead.
[00:17:40] Paul Scheer: I was gonna say, I was just gonna say I, I go up and I kiss older women on the mouth and I say watch A Golden Bachelor.
[00:17:47] Adam Pally: But you're getting paid for that.
[00:17:50] Paul Scheer: I'm not getting paid for it yet, but I think if they get enough viewers, they might reach out.
[00:17:55] Jason Mantzoukas: I love it. I love that as a strategy.
[00:17:58] Adam Pally: That's great.
[00:17:59] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, I loved that the, the movie is moving at a sprint.
[00:18:03] Paul Scheer: Mm-hmm.
[00:18:03] Jason Mantzoukas: And that's a little bit why I didn't clock the time either. Because it's so condensed. The first scenes are the ones we described, the home invasion, the rape and murder of the, the wife and daughter.
[00:18:14] Paul Scheer: And I will say that that home invasion scene, like you have barely met anyone to care, and then it's like, bam, boom, boom. And we're watching this thing transpire. That is brutal. Like, it's never like.
[00:18:26] Adam Pally: No, it's brutal. It's a tough, it's a tough first scene.
[00:18:29] Jason Mantzoukas: And there's and it's the cold open.
[00:18:31] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:18:32] Adam Pally: Yeah.
[00:18:32] Jason Mantzoukas: The titles and credits are after this.
[00:18:34] Adam Pally: Live from New York. It's Saturday Night.
[00:18:39] Paul Scheer: And I think, I think it's a hard, it's a hard thing. It's like, I'm sorry, but like, I do have an issue with the young girl. She should have run away. She was standing there for.
[00:18:47] Adam Pally: Oh, hate it when a, I hate it when a young kid is so in shock, they have to stand there. Like, I got a 7-year-old. If I say stand there, he's at the deli.
[00:18:57] Paul Scheer: I've never seen my kid stand that still. Uh, but I think what you really want, and this is like, I think the core problem with the movie is you need Jamie Fox to be an asshole.
[00:19:07] Yeah. Like, he's gotta be like, who cares, man? But he is too sympathetic. He's like, Hey dude, I know your wife and kid were murdered and because he's nice, you're like, well, you're nice.
[00:19:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, and we also get insight into his family life. And he, and so in every way we're, we're on his side in a way that I agree. He, he should have been an absolute prick.
[00:19:29] Paul Scheer: But he is. But he comes across, I think, caring. Like he is.
[00:19:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, for sure. Because the movie wants him to be the protagonist.
[00:19:36] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:19:37] Jason Mantzoukas: I believe, I don't think they understood that Jerry Butler would be so charismatic and that we would root for him unequivocally.
[00:19:47] There's so much. There's, and I, I'm certain as we go on, we're going to need a lawyer, a professional lawyer out here. There's, I'm sure there's at least one, we're gonna have legal questions. But it is so hilarious to me that over the course of this, in the great gigantic city of Philadelphia, there appears to be three lawyers and one judge. They all get the only cases that matter.
[00:20:10] Adam Pally: Yep.
[00:20:10] Jason Mantzoukas: The judge. The judge is the same judge as the last case.
[00:20:13] Adam Pally: Yeah. Yeah. But you know, you got.
[00:20:14] Jason Mantzoukas: She still on this case too?
[00:20:16] Adam Pally: You know, you're getting to the court scene. 'cause we're gonna do a flyover shot of Ben Franklin.
[00:20:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh.
[00:20:20] Paul Scheer: They also.
[00:20:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Over and over.
[00:20:22] Adam Pally: I was like, what did I miss? Where Ben Franklin? It's, who is it?
[00:20:27] Jason Mantzoukas: It's not Ben Franklin.
[00:20:29] Adam Pally: William Who?
[00:20:31] Paul Scheer: William Penn.
[00:20:31] Jason Mantzoukas: William Hat.
[00:20:32] Adam Pally: William Penn.
[00:20:32] Paul Scheer: William Penn.
[00:20:33] Jason Mantzoukas: William Hat?
[00:20:34] Adam Pally: William Penn.
[00:20:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Hat? Penn. I see you saying that.
[00:20:39] Adam Pally: I'm more of a fan of his brother Gary. But like, it's just, you know, it's just all those tropes are like, so so there, and he, he's so dead in the law scenes. And then you do get this little glimpse of Jamie Fox when he's like, with Regina.
[00:20:55] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:20:55] Adam Pally: You know, and he's like, he's making jokes, talking to the baby, talking to the baby. Yeah. He's like, you know.
[00:20:59] Paul Scheer: Your mom, you make better grilled cheese than your mom.
[00:21:02] Adam Pally: Yeah. It's like, and he's really, and he's like, he's, he's alive. You know what I mean? Yeah. And then the law scenes are just like, whoa.
[00:21:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, his stuff with Jerry, I wanted them to have that kind of friction and tension.
[00:21:14] Adam Pally: Based off chemistry.
[00:21:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Off that. Yes. That, that they, because they are going head to head.
[00:21:19] Paul Scheer: Well, as you're talking about, you want that tension. Why are they holding Jerry Butler in the Hannibal Lecter cell?
[00:21:26] Jason Mantzoukas: It's an, it's an octagon.
[00:21:28] Paul Scheer: It's a giant.
[00:21:29] Jason Mantzoukas: What is going on?
[00:21:30] Adam Pally: There were guards on the roof.
[00:21:32] Jason Mantzoukas: By the way, that is terrible use of that space that is like 14,000 square feet of prison.
[00:21:38] Paul Scheer: And by the way, all open to get confessions. Like it's an airy like
[00:21:44] Adam Pally: Yeah. I kept being like, why did he turn the thing off if there are guards all around?
[00:21:48] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:21:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep.
[00:21:49] Adam Pally: Watching him.
[00:21:50] Paul Scheer: It, there's so many weird inconsistencies in the logic of the whole thing because also the skinny little dude who is standing in the door frame and like he, there's enough DNA evidence on that guy. But the guy who literally raped and murdered and touched every one of them, he's the only one who's touched everyone.
[00:22:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:22:13] Paul Scheer: Nothing from him.
[00:22:14] Jason Mantzoukas: I've seen enough Law and Order and Billions to understand how the Attorney General's office works.
[00:22:20] Adam Pally: Oh. But you know, watch Suits?
[00:22:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Absolutely. I respect myself.
[00:22:27] Adam Pally: Okay. Gary Billions.
[00:22:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh man. Billions. I'm not gonna lie. His name? His name is what? His name is Bill Yons. William Youngs.
[00:22:36] Paul Scheer: Are you being?
[00:22:37] Jason Mantzoukas: No no, no.
[00:22:38] Paul Scheer: By the way, they, they kind of just like lie about how that evidence is like, oh yeah, you clean the crime scene weird. Again, he touched every single one of them was all over them everywhere.
[00:22:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Why not flip the other guy against the real baddy? I couldn't figure that out.
[00:22:54] Paul Scheer: Because it would be harder to see Jerry Butler kill the skinny guy who didn't do that much. But then he does anyway, so it doesn't really make a difference. He kills everybody.
[00:23:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, everybody.
[00:23:04] Adam Pally: In what world are the lawyers watching an execution?
[00:23:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:23:10] Paul Scheer: Oh, well these lawyers do everything.
[00:23:13] Adam Pally: In what world?
[00:23:15] Paul Scheer: That one guy goes, I just came 'cause he has no family.
[00:23:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:23:18] Adam Pally: Like what are they selling?
[00:23:19] Jason Mantzoukas: That was his lawyer. Yeah, that was the bad guy's lawyer.
[00:23:22] Adam Pally: Yeah. And then the other, there's like other people in, in the back row. It's like, what is this on TKTS?
[00:23:28] Paul Scheer: And, and.
[00:23:29] Jason Mantzoukas: I couldn't get into O Mary. So I, I guess I'm seeing this execution.
[00:23:32] Adam Pally: I guess I'm seeing the execution of the less guilty one in this small trial in Pennsylvania.
[00:23:37] Paul Scheer: And then Jamie Fox, like Leslie Bbbs, like, I've never seen one before. It's like, ah, it's no problem. It's like he's going to sleep. This is fucked up. No, you're watching a man get killed.
[00:23:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, he so minimized.
[00:23:46] Adam Pally: Can you imagine working at that firm and you're like, uh, heading home early tonight. Jamie Foxx like, nah. I'm gonna go check out an execution.
[00:23:55] Paul Scheer: Your daughter's cello recitals tonight. I can't, I gotta watch a guy.
[00:23:58] Jason Mantzoukas: I gotta watch an execution. I gotta go watch the life go out of a man's eyes.
[00:24:02] Adam Pally: Yeah.
[00:24:03] Paul Scheer: And it, it's like, and then the way that.
[00:24:07] Jason Mantzoukas: And then they cut it.
[00:24:08] Paul Scheer: Well, by the way.
[00:24:08] Jason Mantzoukas: They're cutting between the, the recital and recital and the, and the, the death penalty as if these are the two events.
[00:24:15] Paul Scheer: I, I wanted. I wanted it so bad, and I'm gonna jump to the end. At the end of that movie, when that daughter played that cello, I wanted that cello to explode on the last night.
[00:24:23] Adam Pally: So bad.
[00:24:24] Paul Scheer: He did it. He fucking did it.
[00:24:27] Jason Mantzoukas: When the judges' cell phone headshots her.
[00:24:30] Adam Pally: Oh, the best.
[00:24:32] Jason Mantzoukas: I was, I, I was like, welcome to like the legendary status on this podcast. Yeah. This movie is incredible.
[00:24:40] Paul Scheer: I don't know if the, I don't know if the phone was a rifle.
[00:24:44] Adam Pally: The line of dialogue she delivers right before it is, I'm a judge, I can do whatever I want.
[00:24:49] Paul Scheer: But, but.
[00:24:51] Adam Pally: What? No, you can't. You are bound by the law.
[00:24:54] Paul Scheer: And that when you talk about some of the bad writing, that is exactly the example of bad writing. 'cause they're in the middle of a trial. It's all to set up this one moment in the middle of the trial, Jamie Fox like, oh, let me take this. That's the craziest thing you could ever do.
[00:25:10] And she's like, how many times do I have to tell you in a murder trial, you can't pick up your phone. Right. So, okay. I guess we'll buy that. So that's all set up just so, when her phone rings, I thought you said don't pick up the phone. It's like, well, this is a completely different scenario. You are in private chambers. There's nothing going on. You're having a casual conversation.
[00:25:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Also, why would you be that flip to the judge who you want on your side?
[00:25:41] Adam Pally: They treat, everyone treats the judge in two seconds. It's like, Hey judge, how's it going? Bet you taking up the ass. Like, what, what, what? What just happened? What just happened?
[00:25:51] Paul Scheer: Right? We were like, why are we angry? This woman feels very like rational. She doesn't seem like she gets upset. She's getting the short end of the stick. And again, is the gun in the phone or was there a sniper?
[00:26:05] Jason Mantzoukas: I couldn't figure that device out at all.
[00:26:08] Adam Pally: I think it was a phone gun. I think it was a phone gun, a flip phone gun.
[00:26:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:26:13] Adam Pally: I'll, I'll tell you right now, there's a reason I would never have it. Why is Jamie Foxx so obsessed with DVDs?
[00:26:20] Paul Scheer: Oh, we'll get the dvd. We'll get, and then, and then.
[00:26:23] Adam Pally: He says it five times and then says it as a joke in the law firm to someone like right before he, he's like, oh, what about on DVD? I was like, what does he have stock in this medium? Like what?
[00:26:33] Paul Scheer: What I think is going on is. That Jamie Fox has missed many of his children's performances and he has sent someone to tape it and then get a DVD of it so we can watch it wherever he is.
[00:26:44] Jason Mantzoukas: That is well, because the girl says, oh, there's the, the video of my recital is here.
[00:26:48] Adam Pally: Right.
[00:26:48] Paul Scheer: Right. It's delivered by a messengers like, oh, yep, my school recital on DVD.
[00:26:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Here's the other, the other thing, don't answer the door. But at this point in the movie, Jamie Fox's entire family, his entire family should be in Alaska right now. The minute one person gets killed, everybody should go away.
[00:27:07] Paul Scheer: Family accepts a DVD being delivered. She is a young kid in like elementary school, like, you're not getting d who's delivering DVDs like, uh, of Yeah, we, we, we taped it, we burned it to a DVD. We made a bunch of copies and we're gonna hand deliver it. It'll be to your house tomorrow night. Can you take it like that to me? Is Jamie Fox shit. Jamie Fox is like, get that transferred to a DVD watch at my trailer. Yeah. And I feel like that's him improvising.
[00:27:33] Adam Pally: But I mean, but again, 'cause that's the only time he's alive.
[00:27:36] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:27:36] Adam Pally: In the movie is when he's making some small thing about like, you know, uh.
[00:27:41] Paul Scheer: I'm a good dad. Like the want is, he wa he is trying so hard to be good. The first moment that you meet him, he's sticking up for Leslie Bibb, the, you know, and the next.
[00:27:50] Adam Pally: Oh yeah. That was a weird moment that 'cause there there was sexual tension.
[00:27:54] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:27:54] Adam Pally: Between him and Leslie Bibb. If it wasn't for Chester, right. Who
[00:27:59] Jason Mantzoukas: I kept thinking, I kept thinking Chester was somehow gonna be.
[00:28:03] Adam Pally: I thought Chester was the guy button behind Leslie Bibb a couple times.
[00:28:06] Jason Mantzoukas: I thought Chester was gonna be the accomplice to Jerry Butler.
[00:28:10] Paul Scheer: Nope.
[00:28:10] Jason Mantzoukas: I thought maybe Bib was gonna be Jerry Butler's.
[00:28:12] Paul Scheer: You would think.
[00:28:13] Jason Mantzoukas: I was looking for connections that at the end, the movie was like JK Jerry Butler's his own friend.
[00:28:19] Adam Pally: Yeah.
[00:28:19] Paul Scheer: Well that, yeah.
[00:28:20] Jason Mantzoukas: At which point killed Jerry Butler. He has nobody else working on his behalf.
[00:28:25] Paul Scheer: I literally, when Cole Meanie, they have that scene where in the Cole Meanie he's like waiting outside, uh, the prison was like, oh, makes sense.
[00:28:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep.
[00:28:32] Paul Scheer: He's the accomplice. I was like, oh no, he's just there. He just.
[00:28:35] Adam Pally: Is Cole Meanie the, the one? Is Cole Meanie, the one that looks like, uh, Michael Madson in an open casket?
[00:28:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, I think so, yes.
[00:28:46] Adam Pally: Okay.
[00:28:46] Jason Mantzoukas: The police detective.
[00:28:47] Adam Pally: Yeah.
[00:28:48] Paul Scheer: The, uh, I, I do wanna, I mean also the, the cold weather and the style this was shot, like every white person looks more pale than they need to. It's like they all look Yeah. Gray.
[00:29:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Well they look gray 'cause they're in Philly.
[00:29:07] Paul Scheer: Why? And I guess I, as someone who has not attended many in execution, um, do they. Put everybody out. Like they're in the crucifixion pose like arms, like let's move the table in a standing position.
[00:29:21] Adam Pally: I can, I can answer this. My brother-in-law's a lawyer.
[00:29:26] Paul Scheer: They literally like, they rack up.
[00:29:28] Jason Mantzoukas: I remember that.
[00:29:28] Paul Scheer: He's on an amusement park ride, like.
[00:29:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Dead Man Walking, he's in that position. So, and I don't know if it's just movies that are like, oh, anybody dying by execution is a Christ-like character.
[00:29:40] Paul Scheer: Oh.
[00:29:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Or if that's really how it's done. Does anybody have experience?
[00:29:43] Paul Scheer: I don't think they're launching him up.
[00:29:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Morgan are you here?
[00:29:46] Paul Scheer: Morgan is here tonight.
[00:29:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Morgan is here?
[00:29:48] Paul Scheer: Yep.
[00:29:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Have you talked to him already?
[00:29:51] Paul Scheer: There he is.
[00:29:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Give it up for Morgan. Oh, there he's, can we get house lights?
[00:29:57] Paul Scheer: Morgan, you better have some details.
[00:29:58] Jason Mantzoukas: I truly, you better, you better have trained to be a lawyer, Morgan. Cause we're gonna need your expertise.
[00:30:04] Paul Scheer: Are you a lawyer, Morgan? Okay. But I'll ask you one more question. If this was a DnD campaign, would it be believable?
[00:30:14] Morgan: Really bad DM running.
[00:30:16] Paul Scheer: Okay. You'd have to have a really bad DM running it. Um, we love Morgan.
[00:30:22] Jason Mantzoukas: One of my favorite things in the movie is one, okay. I'm gonna start by saying one of my most disappointing parts of the movie is when Jerry gets put in jail, it, it gives him less momentum.
[00:30:36] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:30:36] Jason Mantzoukas: And all I want is for him to be skyrocketing forward like he is in Plane, or like he is in Kandahar or like he is in Greenland, or like he is in any of the other pheno, Geo storm, uh, any of the other phenomenal movies,
[00:30:51] Adam Pally: London Falling?
[00:30:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, any of the, as the Bannon, any of the Mike Bannon movies.
[00:30:55] Adam Pally: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:30:56] Jason Mantzoukas: The Bannon verse, absolutely. But when he goes to jail.
[00:30:59] Adam Pally: You're talking about Steve Bannon, right? I know what you're reading.
[00:31:04] Jason Mantzoukas: He really, he gets kind of stuck in a, in a physical space. So he does so much. I love when he gets Del Frisco's.
[00:31:11] Adam Pally: Oh, Delco Del Frisco's. Del Frisco's mentioned.
[00:31:14] Jason Mantzoukas: There's a waiter there.
[00:31:15] Adam Pally: There's a truck.
[00:31:16] Jason Mantzoukas: There's a white jacketed waiter.
[00:31:18] Adam Pally: There's a truck.
[00:31:19] Jason Mantzoukas: From Del Frisco's in the prison.
[00:31:21] Paul Scheer: Like, and he, and the funny thing about that is he didn't request the waiter, like he just requested the meal. He was like, I want a steak with all the fixing. And they're like. Like, maybe I should bring the waiter too.
[00:31:31] Adam Pally: Well, I thought that that was the accomplice for a little, because he does this weird thing where he goes, Dave, hey, Garone, take 30%. Yeah. Or whatever, which is also like the guy brought a stake all the way to death row. You think he could, like.
[00:31:43] Paul Scheer: He's not even on death row. He's dead that point.
[00:31:46] Adam Pally: He's solitary, right?
[00:31:46] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:31:47] Adam Pally: No, no. 'cause that's what he kills. Uh, Post Malone.
[00:31:50] Paul Scheer: By the way, again, not quite sure about this.
[00:31:55] Jason Mantzoukas: That's how you, that's how you time this movie out. No face tattoos on anyone.
[00:31:58] Adam Pally: Yeah. Truly.
[00:31:59] Paul Scheer: Um, I do think that, I agree with what you're saying about not having that Gerard Butler energy, but I do wanna play the scene, which, uh, he does say the titular line. This is clip six. Um, this is like the freak out moment with the judge, wherever again, everyone attacks the judge. Uh, clip six.
[00:32:16] Movie Audio: Uh, your Honor, I'm a law abiding citizen.
[00:32:18] Paul Scheer: Boom.
[00:32:19] Movie Audio: I'm just a regular guy. I am not a flight risk, and this is my first alleged offense. And the prosecution has not presented one single piece of evidence against me. It's a slippery slope, your Honor. Haven't we seen the result of such violations both internationally and domestically? Case in point would be Dave v McDonough, docket number oh 4 1 3 2 5.
[00:32:46] I am actually inclined to agree with you, Mr. Shelton. This state has failed to establish a compelling basis for its motion, and I will grant bail in the amount of.
[00:32:57] Your Honor, I would caution you not to do that.
[00:33:01] Thank you.
[00:33:03] Excuse me?
[00:33:05] No, I don't think I will excuse you. You see, this is what I'm talking about. You were about to let me go. Are you kidding me?
[00:33:12] Paul Scheer: So much reaction.
[00:33:12] Movie Audio: This is why we're here in the first place. You think? I don't remember who you are, lady.
[00:33:21] I would tread carefully, Mr. Sheldon.
[00:33:23] Well, how carefully should I tread? Because apparently I just killed two people and you were about to let me walk right out that door. How misguided are you? I feed you a couple of bullshit legal precedents and there you go. You jump on it like a bitch and eat.
[00:33:41] Folks, you all hang out.
[00:33:42] Warning you, Mr. Sheldon. You will held to contemp this court.
[00:33:44] A murderer is back on the street. You're too busy treating the law like it's a fucking assembly line.
[00:33:49] One more time.
[00:33:49] Any idea what justice is?
[00:33:51] You are now. Remove this man.
[00:33:53] Whatever happened to right and wrong? Whatever happened to the people?
[00:33:57] Bail denied.
[00:33:58] Whatever happened to Justice? And I bet you take it up the fucking ass, bitch.
[00:34:03] Paul Scheer: He, that's my new acting monologue whenever I have to do an audition for anything, now.
[00:34:07] Jason Mantzoukas: I, I would love it if that's in the trailer, but there's a, like a record scratch noise where he, that when he turns and is like. Uh, and just becomes such an asshole. But like.
[00:34:19] Paul Scheer: He's so good.
[00:34:19] Adam Pally: I mean, struggling.
[00:34:20] Jason Mantzoukas: He's the best.
[00:34:20] Adam Pally: Struggling with that Irish accent.
[00:34:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, Scott, first of all, Scottish.
[00:34:25] Adam Pally: Struggling, but whatever.
[00:34:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Scottish.
[00:34:27] Adam Pally: He's struggling with his Shrek and it's like ble, Shrek voice is bleeding out in that monologue.
[00:34:33] Paul Scheer: But I, I think that like, I like the choice that Schwarzenegger eventually made where it's like, no, no, I'm just gonna have the Austrian accent. I'm never gonna try to hide it.
[00:34:39] Adam Pally: I, I don't wanna understand why he can't just be Shrek. Why, who cares?
[00:34:43] Jason Mantzoukas: He basically, he basically, now is, he now basically just.
[00:34:46] Paul Scheer: He just does Shrek.
[00:34:47] Jason Mantzoukas: And that, that sometimes there's like a little wink. Him and Statham now are basically like, doesn't matter what citizen, a citizen of what country they are.
[00:34:56] Adam Pally: Okay.
[00:34:56] Jason Mantzoukas: They have the accent.
[00:34:57] Adam Pally: I prefer that.
[00:34:58] Jason Mantzoukas: How did he know? This, so you're telling, so this is 10 years later, right? How did he know that he would get the same DA?
[00:35:05] Paul Scheer: He's a brain.
[00:35:06] Jason Mantzoukas: That is crazy.
[00:35:08] Paul Scheer: Well, I think that maybe they were like, you know, you get dibs on it. Like, oh, if all the murders connect, you get dibs to collect them all kind of a thing. You know, he.
[00:35:17] Jason Mantzoukas: It's a Pokemon Go situation?
[00:35:19] Paul Scheer: But he is like, he in that scene, he is working his ass off and he makes sense. Like he does like his plan, not the way he executes his plan, but it's like, yeah, bad guys get off. I'm gonna show you how bad you are. And the whole movie is predicated on that end scene where he is like, well, you did learn your lesson. I'm like, oh, that was it?
[00:35:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:35:42] Paul Scheer: And, and.
[00:35:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Don't make deals with murderers.
[00:35:46] Paul Scheer: And meanwhile, he killed so many innocent people who did nothing. Who did nothing wrong. Leslie Bib did nothing. Nothing wrong,
[00:35:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Nothing.
[00:35:53] Adam Pally: Chester survives. Chester makes it.
[00:35:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. Chester. Chester lives to tell another tale. How many people died when Jamie Fox plants the bomb in the prison?
[00:36:06] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:36:07] Adam Pally: Oh.
[00:36:07] Jason Mantzoukas: How many people die in that explosion?
[00:36:11] Adam Pally: It, it's so big. It rocks the outside of the prison while he is walking away.
[00:36:15] Paul Scheer: He's walking away. Like, that is a brick house Prison and flames are shooting up.
[00:36:20] Jason Mantzoukas: I think it's pronounced brick house.
[00:36:24] Paul Scheer: But yeah, like it's, and and also that ending is so, the ending is so unfulfilling.
[00:36:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yes.
[00:36:30] Adam Pally: How do they decide in prison movies who gets short sleeve jumpsuits and who gets long?
[00:36:36] Jason Mantzoukas: I think you get, I think, I think decide.
[00:36:38] Adam Pally: That's a GB choice?
[00:36:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh. I think you get to decide when you enter.
[00:36:41] Adam Pally: When you, when enter. Oh, see, I think it's an actor choice. I feel like there was definitely a fitting day.
[00:36:47] Paul Scheer: Oh yeah.
[00:36:47] Adam Pally: Where they had the orange ones, the green ones all there and GB's going through it. Like, I want to show my guns. You know? Like.
[00:36:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:36:56] Adam Pally: Uh, are we, what's the point of casting me?
[00:37:00] Paul Scheer: By the way, he is, he, this is definitely skinnier, Gerard Butler, too.
[00:37:03] Jason Mantzoukas: He looks fucking great.
[00:37:04] Adam Pally: Yeah. And you can see it when he gets naked for no reason.
[00:37:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep.
[00:37:09] Paul Scheer: He.
[00:37:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah.
[00:37:11] Paul Scheer: I mean, and this is alright. So.
[00:37:12] Jason Mantzoukas: It's also, uh, you can also date the movie because he does the naked scene, but is very clearly not on any kind of steroids.
[00:37:21] Adam Pally: Right. No. Right.
[00:37:22] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:37:22] Jason Mantzoukas: And that kind of a scene now the actor would be jacked on steroids.
[00:37:27] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:37:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Would be HGH hd out, like, yeah.
[00:37:29] Adam Pally: You'd seem old looking like a tomato.
[00:37:32] Paul Scheer: But you know, like, here's the thing.
[00:37:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Think tomato energy.
[00:37:34] Adam Pally: Tomato energy.
[00:37:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Jacked tomato.
[00:37:36] Paul Scheer: He should never be jacked because he is a low impact kinetic operations guy.
[00:37:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:37:43] Adam Pally: Low impact kinetic?
[00:37:45] Paul Scheer: Yeah, low impact kinetic operations, you know. Spy stuff. Uh, that was such a.
[00:37:50] Adam Pally: LI Okay.
[00:37:51] Paul Scheer: The, there, there are so many crazy things that are said in this. Oh. Like in the beginning, like when the guy holds the gun and tries to shoot him, and then like, there's little like needles in the gun.
[00:38:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, I love that moment.
[00:38:02] Paul Scheer: He was like, that's a puff fish needle. Yeah.
[00:38:04] Adam Pally: I was like, would you? That's a puffer.
[00:38:07] Jason Mantzoukas: And love when it's also great when he's doing the, a different voice for the blonde-haired cop.
[00:38:13] Adam Pally: And then another one for the guy pushing the thing, which is like slightly racist.
[00:38:18] Jason Mantzoukas: And I love that, that guy.
[00:38:19] Paul Scheer: They're like, Hey Nando. What's up there?
[00:38:22] Adam Pally: Yeah.
[00:38:22] Paul Scheer: He's like, Ola.
[00:38:23] Adam Pally: He's like, Ola essay.
[00:38:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Ola.
[00:38:27] Adam Pally: Yeah. Oh no. Today has been loco.
[00:38:33] Paul Scheer: Mi estudia in librario.
[00:38:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Did he kill that guy? Like did he have to kill that guy?
[00:38:40] Paul Scheer: Yes. Yes.
[00:38:41] Jason Mantzoukas: That sucks for that guy.
[00:38:42] Paul Scheer: Why are they watch, why are they letting a, a janitor into a solitary prison cell? Gotta clean up. Got.
[00:38:47] Jason Mantzoukas: No, no, that was in town hall.
[00:38:50] Paul Scheer: Oh.
[00:38:50] Jason Mantzoukas: That was in town hall.
[00:38:51] Paul Scheer: How did he get outta prison? Oh, the tunnel.
[00:38:52] Jason Mantzoukas: The tunnel.
[00:38:53] Paul Scheer: Tunnels. Got it.
[00:38:54] Jason Mantzoukas: How did he get outta prison?
[00:38:56] Paul Scheer: I, I, I, you know what? I think I was confused. That I thought he was coming out of a jail. So that was before the reveal that Yeah, he has built an underground city that he can move around in.
[00:39:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, he is got train tracks under there. It is.
[00:39:10] Paul Scheer: Lighting.
[00:39:11] Jason Mantzoukas: It. Like, like honestly I believe the cartels have seen this movie and are like, hang on, this looks, this is a good idea. Maybe we should Law Abiding Citizen drugs into the country.
[00:39:23] Adam Pally: When they first find the tunnel, it looks cartoonishly, old timey. Like it looks like ducktails.
[00:39:30] Paul Scheer: Right? Like they, they're gonna like, it's like one of those things where like one guy pushes down the lever.
[00:39:36] Adam Pally: That's expect to see. I expected a chase on one of those. At the end when Ger like Gerard in the cart like.
[00:39:43] Jason Mantzoukas: That would've been incredible. Like, like, like Indiana Jones two.
[00:39:47] Adam Pally: Yes.
[00:39:48] Paul Scheer: But why this guy is so once we understand that this movie is. Like he's got the tunnel system. This means that every night he's sneaking out.
[00:39:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:39:57] Paul Scheer: Like, and no one ever.
[00:39:58] Adam Pally: He's living, he's living his life.
[00:39:59] Jason Mantzoukas: He's bury the lawyer. He's doing all of the hijinks of the movie he's doing outside of his cell, which means in 2009 they have no cameras in this prison?
[00:40:09] Paul Scheer: Well, no, they have plenty. 'cause he is hooked up to every one of them because they go look.
[00:40:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh. Oh, you're right.
[00:40:13] Paul Scheer: But, but even.
[00:40:14] Adam Pally: You got pillows under the thing. They think it's pillows.
[00:40:16] Paul Scheer: But.
[00:40:17] Adam Pally: I'm a kinetic engineer. I think I know how to fake it.
[00:40:20] Jason Mantzoukas: I love Ferris Bueller and I fucking do it like that.
[00:40:23] Adam Pally: This is the easiest part. You just put the pillows under the blanket. The next part is where it gets challenging.
[00:40:29] Paul Scheer: But I guess like the, the, the, the way that this movie like kind of thinks about prison is that five o'clock they stop really watching the prisoners.
[00:40:36] Yeah. Like, you know, it's like, well it's, it's the end of business day. We don't have to watch a at night. At night. Like it's, 'cause he's also coming back in. So at one point someone had to be like, do you hear that? Yeah. It sounded like a, a little door opened.
[00:40:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. What's crazy?
[00:40:49] Adam Pally: And it's probably, it's probably nothing. Well, there's only one person in there.
[00:40:53] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:40:53] Adam Pally: And there's no way in or out. So any sound, eh, well, you gonna worry about everything, Carl?
[00:40:57] Jason Mantzoukas: The movie is huge. The movie is big in scope. Right, right. And scale. It, it's about justice and it's about this and that, and, uh, big, big themes and ideas. But it's really only about like five or four people, right?
[00:41:11] Like there's no, there's so few ancillary, we don't know any of the other prisoners. We don't know any of the other lawyers beyond Bibb and Bruce McGill. The, the legend. Yeah. Like, we don't know. We don't get any interesting side characters. Almost like when that guy comes in and he's the spy, I'm like, great. Give me some insight into this world. I wanna know where these guys, Nope, not at all.
[00:41:32] Adam Pally: It's so crazy too, because every role is the most talented character actor.
[00:41:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:41:38] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:41:39] Adam Pally: In the history of cinema. I mean, the true, true.
[00:41:41] Paul Scheer: Everyone's great.
[00:41:42] Adam Pally: This movie could have been called Character Actors Making their Nut for the Year.
[00:41:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
[00:41:48] Adam Pally: It's like every one of them is like, that guy's amazing.
[00:41:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep.
[00:41:51] Adam Pally: And, and you have to suffer and watch Bruce McGill get blown up in a car.
[00:41:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Like, and sometimes be just seated like through like two seats down from the action. Not even having lines.
[00:42:01] Adam Pally: Nope.
[00:42:01] Jason Mantzoukas: I was like, what? Give Bruce McGill the day off.
[00:42:04] Paul Scheer: My, no, my, my favorite moment in the film was like, it's 6:00 AM you'll die. And so clearly they're working through the, they decide, well, we gotta work in the pri, we gotta work in the prison.
[00:42:14] Jason Mantzoukas: We gotta.
[00:42:15] Paul Scheer: We gotta work in the prison.
[00:42:16] Jason Mantzoukas: And of course Jerry knows that's the only option.
[00:42:19] Paul Scheer: Yeah. So they're working at the prison and then clearly around, like, it feels to me like around 5:45 AM they're like. Well, we didn't figure it out and then they all just stare at the clock. Alright.
[00:42:32] Jason Mantzoukas: I love that they.
[00:42:33] Paul Scheer: At any moment we're gonna die. And then they just wait until 6:00 AM I'm like, oh, we didn't die. Well, I guess he's a liar. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
[00:42:41] Adam Pally: Like they, there was very little like, do you think he did anything outside?
[00:42:45] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:42:46] Adam Pally: Like no one even, it was just like, well, I guess we were wrong.
[00:42:48] Jason Mantzoukas: And also there's so little they don't discuss amongst themselves anything.
[00:42:53] Paul Scheer: No.
[00:42:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Like, uh, with the very, with the exception only of Bib at one point saying to Jamie Fox, would you do it any differently?
[00:43:01] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:43:01] Jason Mantzoukas: And he says, absolutely not. He is unwavering throughout. And that is a failing of the movie, that the movie doesn't chip away at him and make him question himself. And at the very end, he's like, I don't do deals with murderers. And Jerry's like, yes, you learned your lesson. And I'm like, what is up?
[00:43:18] Paul Scheer: Well again, and that was the thing. It was like he, he needed to, to have that arc. You gotta change. I will say that I did like the part where, uh, I think it was Bruce McGill goes, he's saving you for last. Yeah. No shit. Like, like, and it was like, and it was like, oh.
[00:43:35] Adam Pally: You think it's 'cause I'm Jamie Fox?
[00:43:37] Paul Scheer: But it's also like, clearly like, we'll kill everyone around you and then you'll get to what, like he wants to watch.
[00:43:42] Adam Pally: But, but they did, they, it does make sense when you think of the way they, they kind of. Did the worst, most gruesome killing right off the bat.
[00:43:50] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:43:50] Adam Pally: Like the first murder we see Gerard do is cutting off some guy's eyelid.
[00:43:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah.
[00:43:56] Adam Pally: So he can watch him cut off his own penis. Like it's like wildly graphic and horrible.
[00:44:01] Paul Scheer: He didn't just cut off his penis. He cut off his balls first.
[00:44:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:44:05] Adam Pally: Why did he use different?
[00:44:06] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:44:06] Adam Pally: Why were the balls tougher than the dick? He was like, I had to use four steps for the dick and then I had to use a, some, a different one for the balls. I was like, seems like it's in the same, kinda like.
[00:44:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Honestly, everything down there's so soft.
[00:44:18] Adam Pally: Yeah. It like, it's like what are we doing?
[00:44:20] Jason Mantzoukas: A butter knife could take it off.
[00:44:21] Adam Pally: I mean he, I get it with your hands.
[00:44:24] Paul Scheer: I imagine at one point. You must be like, I know you want this guy to feel everything, but you're like, ah, I think I did it though, right? Like at certain point you'd be like.
[00:44:32] Adam Pally: And now's the part where I touch your dick.
[00:44:35] Paul Scheer: I'll put, put this carrot up your asshole.
[00:44:37] Adam Pally: Yeah.
[00:44:38] Jason Mantzoukas: What would've been amazing is if somehow that guy, um, Darby, I think his name is.
[00:44:45] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:44:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Name, um, if he was the last one.
[00:44:49] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:44:49] Jason Mantzoukas: He get, he builds up, that's the person who most deserves justice.
[00:44:53] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:44:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Or the, the, the, the violent ends that he meets. Right? But he's first, so now I'm satiated. I'm like, great. He did it, but now he's like, no. Now I have to take down the system.
[00:45:06] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:45:06] Jason Mantzoukas: And I'm like, wait, are you the alii breaking the wheel? What is this? I don't understand.
[00:45:13] Adam Pally: Well, they, they even have that scene where we've already done a scene of them in the interrogation room, and then it comes back and he's like, I also want a stake.
[00:45:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:45:24] Adam Pally: And Jamie Foxx like, I, I think we did this. Yeah, I think, I think we did this. And he's like.
[00:45:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, I already gave you a bet.
[00:45:28] Adam Pally: I already gave you a bet. And he's like, no, no, no, but I've got more information. Jamie Foxx is like, I don't care. Yeah. He's like, well, you should care. He's like, okay, now I care. Like, like what, what?
[00:45:37] Paul Scheer: Well, this is also the moment in the film where they movie does not know the difference between a cop and a lawyer, because Jamie Foxx is like. We're going to get the helicopter boys. I'm like, you're.
[00:45:46] Adam Pally: How far away was Bill O'Reilly or whatever his name was?
[00:45:50] Paul Scheer: Yeah. It's like they're, he is leading police into crime scenes.
[00:45:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh. Constantly.
[00:45:56] Paul Scheer: I'm like, wait, is he a cop? Like I got this.
[00:45:58] Jason Mantzoukas: So much so that at the end he's in the cell with a gun.
[00:46:02] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:46:02] Jason Mantzoukas: And I'm like, you would not be here, my guy.
[00:46:05] Adam Pally: That's a crime.
[00:46:06] Paul Scheer: Jamie Fox.
[00:46:07] Adam Pally: I hope you have a permit for that.
[00:46:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:46:09] Paul Scheer: Jamie Fox also did not like even acknowledge. He is like 10 degrees south, five minutes, 62 and he is like, got it.
[00:46:18] Adam Pally: I know. I was like, wait are minutes how we measure longitude and latitude.
[00:46:21] Paul Scheer: He didn't even.
[00:46:22] Adam Pally: That's time. That's not distance.
[00:46:25] Paul Scheer: Well, I wanna go out to the crowd. I want to talk to you all.
[00:46:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Can I?
[00:46:28] Paul Scheer: Yeah, go. Yeah, please.
[00:46:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, can we get house lights? And then also if you're out there and you are a district attorney here in this town, we have one in the front.
[00:46:44] Paul?
[00:46:45] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:46:45] Jason Mantzoukas: This is a district attorney right here.
[00:46:47] Paul Scheer: Whoa. Okay. Hold on. Alright, so, hi, welcome. Thank you for representing. We did say that if you have some experience, you clearly do. You, you work here in the very cold hallways it seems like, because also in this movie they're clearly outside, but inside like their cold breath is coming outta their mouth in like an opening scene.
[00:47:06] Um, alright, so tell me what you got.
[00:47:09] Audience Member: Uh, my name is Mackenzie. Uh, I just wanted to confirm that actually this is exactly what my job is like every day.
[00:47:14] Paul Scheer: Okay. Yeah. Great. Okay, great. So are you like Leslie Bibb or are you like, where are you at? Are you more Jamie Fox, you more Leslie Bibb or are you more Uh, Bruce Miguel?
[00:47:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Have you've given it all away at 35?
[00:47:25] Audience Member: I am 33.
[00:47:25] Adam Pally: What's what's your favorite execution you've ever seen?
[00:47:28] Paul Scheer: She said that she's 33. She's got a bunch of cats.
[00:47:31] Audience Member: That feels like, yeah. Maybe.
[00:47:32] Paul Scheer: Would you have made a deal like this, uh, like the way that Jamie Fox did?
[00:47:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yes. Great question.
[00:47:38] Audience Member: I, I'm not sure how Jamie Fox is gonna continue to be an assistant district attorney, because not making deals with murderers is really unworkable. Sorry, everyone.
[00:47:46] Adam Pally: Well, he becomes the district attorney in a small room very quickly when she says, grab me the Bible.
[00:47:55] Paul Scheer: No, he becomes mayor.
[00:47:57] Adam Pally: Mayor, mayor. Mayor.
[00:47:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, what?
[00:47:59] Paul Scheer: District Attorney.
[00:47:59] Adam Pally: District Attorney.
[00:48:00] Jason Mantzoukas: District. Oh, sorry.
[00:48:01] Adam Pally: Gary Penn. He becomes Gary Penn.
[00:48:02] Paul Scheer: Mayor Philadelphia is holding the Bible in that scene.
[00:48:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Right. Yes.
[00:48:06] Adam Pally: That's the mayor holding the Bible with a lifeless look?
[00:48:11] Paul Scheer: The only character actor not cast in this movie.
[00:48:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, and Bruce McGill, he's taking Bruce McGill's position, right?
[00:48:18] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:48:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. Now, so my question at that point I was like, is Jamie Fox helping?
[00:48:25] Adam Pally: Is he the guy?
[00:48:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. Has he been inside man because he wanted the promotion?
[00:48:27] Adam Pally: Yeah.
[00:48:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Which would've been cool. Not the case. So, so making deals with murders is what you're all about.
[00:48:36] Audience Member: Um, if you listen to Fox News, I think they would tell you that's what we're up to, so.
[00:48:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:48:39] Audience Member: No, but honestly, like the criminal justice system, plea bargaining, it's kind of all built on that we can get in a whole discussion. But you know.
[00:48:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Great. Give it up for Mackenzie! Great work. Thank you.
[00:48:52] Paul Scheer: Alright. There's been a lot of energy over here, which means Good question. Or utter destruction. Here we go.
[00:48:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Let's see.
[00:48:59] Paul Scheer: Let's see. Alright. Hi, how are you?
[00:49:00] Audience Member: My name's Greta. First of all, I listen to your episode in dedication to Avaryl on Tuesday.
[00:49:06] I was making pancakes in my kitchen for breakfast, and it made me cry. It was beautiful. So my, yes. Right. So my question is, we touched on it a little bit earlier, during, um, Gerard's tirade at the judge during his bail hearing, he kind of punctuated that whole thing with, I bet you take it up the fucking ass, I believe was, were his words. And I would like to know, A, what's the problem with that? And B, why is this such an insult?
[00:49:37] Paul Scheer: I love this.
[00:49:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, what was, what was the B?
[00:49:40] Paul Scheer: Why is that an insult?
[00:49:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh.
[00:49:43] Adam Pally: 2009.
[00:49:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, 2009. This is 2009. This was before anal was normalized.
[00:49:51] Adam Pally: Gay panic.
[00:49:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, because why would, wouldn't it have been great if he was like, and I bet you take it up the ass. And she was like. I do, but you are still out of order.
[00:50:00] Adam Pally: And what's wrong with that? And what's wrong with that? I'm a judge. I can do whatever I want.
[00:50:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Ring, ring, ring. Uh oh. Boom. How, how? My phone is blowing up.
[00:50:17] Paul Scheer: What's your name? What's your question?
[00:50:18] Audience Member: Uh, my name is Jenny and not really a question, kind of like a second opinion for everybody.
[00:50:23] Paul Scheer: Sure.
[00:50:24] Audience Member: When my husband and I watch a movie, I play a game where I pause it and I go, do you wanna know what the ending is?
[00:50:28] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:50:29] Audience Member: And he either tells me yes or no. Okay. Last night he, uh, we both liked my ending a lot better.
[00:50:35] Paul Scheer: Okay. Well wait. So let's hear your ending now.
[00:50:38] Audience Member: So here's what I thought was going to happen. Um, I thought Gerard Butler was going to blow everybody up, kill everybody, and then frame Jamie Fox.
[00:50:47] Paul Scheer: Me too.
[00:50:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Great.
[00:50:48] Audience Member: And see. And I thought that what was going to really happen was, first I thought it was Leslie Bibb. And then right after I said this, she blew up. So, not her.
[00:50:56] Paul Scheer: Okay. Right.
[00:50:56] Audience Member: So then, but knew, knew.
[00:50:57] Adam Pally: It was Leslie Bibb, like off the bat.
[00:50:59] Audience Member: Like Yeah. I was like, no, I thought she.
[00:51:00] Adam Pally: Like off the jump.
[00:51:01] Audience Member: So no, no wait. I thought Leslie Bibb was going to then take his job. Like Gerard Butler was gonna get him in jail, frame him, and then she was gonna have to be like, we need somebody to pay for this.
[00:51:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:51:13] Audience Member: And he's gonna give us testimony and, you know, and make with a murderer.
[00:51:19] Paul Scheer: I see. Now I agree with this because why send the DVD to Jamie Fox's house?
[00:51:24] Jason Mantzoukas: I agree.
[00:51:25] Paul Scheer: Right. And it was like, and I thought, oh, they're gonna find the DVD in his house.
[00:51:29] Audience Member: All the evidence. 'cause they just had finished saying that he records everything, da da da da. And then they were in the judge's chamber right before she, like right where, um, where she, like they said all this crazy shit and he got it all on tape. But you know, he did. So it was like, oh, he's gonna frame him now.
[00:51:45] Paul Scheer: I thought so too. Well, there we go. You get hired.
[00:51:47] Jason Mantzoukas: I like that. And also for those of you. Who are gonna come next with questions? Tell us the little games you and your spouse play.
[00:51:55] Adam Pally: Yeah.
[00:51:56] Paul Scheer: Alright.
[00:51:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Tell us about those little games.
[00:51:59] Adam Pally: I don't want to answer your question until you peek back the curtain into your own little life.
[00:52:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Ooh. We play a little game where I paused the movie.
[00:52:07] Paul Scheer: Alright. Hi, uh, what's your name and your question?
[00:52:11] Audience Member: Hey, I'm Dan. I'm actually in this movie.
[00:52:14] Paul Scheer: Whoa!
[00:52:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Whoa!
[00:52:18] Adam Pally: Whoa! Dan, Dan. Dan. Dan. Dan. Dan. Dan.
[00:52:24] Paul Scheer: Dan. Dan. Dan. Dan. Dan.
[00:52:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Give it up for Dan.
[00:52:28] Paul Scheer: Dan, Dan taking the Morgan crown. Morgan, I'm so sorry. Dan, what did you do in this movie?
[00:52:38] Audience Member: So it's not in any recognizable way because I was Cole Meanie's body double.
[00:52:43] Paul Scheer: Oh, whoa.
[00:52:44] Jason Mantzoukas: That's great. That's great.
[00:52:47] Adam Pally: I'm so sorry. I said all that.
[00:52:51] Paul Scheer: Dan is a very good looking man. He looks in great shape.
[00:52:54] Adam Pally: You've obviously been taking care of yourself.
[00:52:57] Jason Mantzoukas: For the listener. Dan does not look like he's been fished out of a river.
[00:53:00] Adam Pally: No. You know, I would wanna see a picture of myself in 2009 either, you know.
[00:53:05] Audience Member: So, so there's a shot where they're first looking into the hole, like the cave.
[00:53:11] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:53:11] Audience Member: And they're shining their flashlights and it's my shoulder and my arm shining the flash.
[00:53:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait.
[00:53:18] Paul Scheer: I love that.
[00:53:19] Jason Mantzoukas: That's great.
[00:53:20] Adam Pally: Nice.
[00:53:20] Jason Mantzoukas: That's great.
[00:53:22] Audience Member: The, the better part of this story is those are not Gerard Butler's buns.
[00:53:27] Paul Scheer: Oh wow.
[00:53:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait a second. Are they yours? No? Okay.
[00:53:33] Audience Member: No, but I was there when they shot the body double doing the buns thing.
[00:53:38] Paul Scheer: Alright. What was the energy like on set? Anything that you saw that was interesting there? Any tensions? Any, yeah. What'd he got?
[00:53:44] Audience Member: So, you know, they put the cover on his.
[00:53:48] Paul Scheer: We're still in the butt.
[00:53:49] Audience Member: On his junk and Oh.
[00:53:50] Adam Pally: This seems to be the scene.
[00:53:52] Jason Mantzoukas: You can also speak generally to the experience of being on the movie.
[00:53:55] Audience Member: Yeah.
[00:53:55] Adam Pally: Yeah.
[00:53:55] Audience Member: So I have an explanation.
[00:53:57] Adam Pally: This scene really stuck with Dan.
[00:53:59] Audience Member: I, I have an explanation for why he gets naked.
[00:54:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh.
[00:54:02] Adam Pally: That was the only part of the movie that made sense to me.
[00:54:05] Audience Member: Because, because they tried to explain it in that part of the shoot that they were like, he gets naked so that the cops can see he is not armed.
[00:54:15] Paul Scheer: Oh. So they won't just immediately shoot him. Got it. Okay. Well I guess there's other ways to do it, but sure. Give it up for Dan.
[00:54:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Dan, great job.
[00:54:23] Adam Pally: A tour de force.
[00:54:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Thank you. Thank you Dan.
[00:54:26] Adam Pally: Tour de force.
[00:54:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Great work.
[00:54:27] Paul Scheer: I just, I just saw someone go, I was in it too.
[00:54:30] Adam Pally: No.
[00:54:31] Paul Scheer: So I'm gonna. Alright, so, alright, here we go. Hi, what's your name?
[00:54:34] Audience Member: Hi, my name's Will.
[00:54:35] Paul Scheer: Okay, and Will you were in this movie?
[00:54:37] Audience Member: Yes, I was in, I, I did nine days on this as a prison guard.
[00:54:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, whoa.
[00:54:41] Adam Pally: Wow.
[00:54:43] Paul Scheer: Were you there for the, the Del Frisco stabbing scene?
[00:54:46] Audience Member: Yes, I was. And they had, yeah, I was, it was originally gonna be a rack of lamb. I do remember that.
[00:54:52] Paul Scheer: Really?
[00:54:53] Adam Pally: Talk about worrying about the wrong thing.
[00:54:55] Audience Member: The, the director liked the, uh, the restaurant so much. They had their, they worked it into the script.
[00:55:01] Adam Pally: Yeah, that's, not hard to imagine.
[00:55:02] Paul Scheer: The after party. Yeah. They had the after party for the premiere at Del Frisco's here in Philly.
[00:55:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, there's a Del Frisco's here as well?
[00:55:08] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:55:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.
[00:55:09] Adam Pally: Is it open late?
[00:55:11] Paul Scheer: It's right down the block.
[00:55:12] Audience Member: So I'm in the hallway when they bring the mattress in and I improv and I point my nightstick out. And because of that, I didn't get a line when they put him in a cell, they took the line away from me 'cause I wouldn't have been there. But it worked out. 'cause if I did, I would've gone to Del Frisco's and in instead I went to the Philly Film Fest party and I met my wife.
[00:55:29] Paul Scheer: Oh yeah.
[00:55:32] Adam Pally: Will.
[00:55:34] Jason Mantzoukas: That's amazing.
[00:55:35] Paul Scheer: Two kids.
[00:55:37] Audience Member: Married, 11 years. Beautiful actress as well.
[00:55:40] Paul Scheer: And any bits that you guys do together? Any?
[00:55:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Any, any little games you wanna tell us about?
[00:55:46] Adam Pally: Nicknames, we'll take.
[00:55:47] Paul Scheer: If you are, if you have been in this movie, you are gonna get preferential treatment. You're in this movie? No. Okay.
[00:55:52] Jason Mantzoukas: While Paul goes upstairs. I will say that I knew someone who worked at Del Frisco's in New York who said that, um, who was like a server there and said that multiple times a year, Del Frisco's in New York. Big like finance. Power lunch. Like alpha guys would go there and multiple times a year, some guy would choke on a steak, go to the bathroom in too embarrassed to ask for help or tell their friends and they would find them dead in the bathroom. Proud men dying, choking on steak because they're too afraid to ask for help. Get it together guys.
[00:56:39] Paul Scheer: I am in the balcony.
[00:56:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Hey.
[00:56:43] Paul Scheer: Hello, balcony monsters. All right.
[00:56:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, Paul?
[00:56:47] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:56:48] Jason Mantzoukas: There's a bigger balcony.
[00:56:49] Paul Scheer: Oh, I know.
[00:56:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. Wow.
[00:56:51] Paul Scheer: I'm gonna get up there, I think, right? Get up there.
[00:56:54] Jason Mantzoukas: That fucking too high.
[00:56:54] Paul Scheer: Do I come back down to you? Hi. What's her name? What's your question?
[00:56:57] Audience Member: Hi, I'm Rachel. Um, so Wikipedia said this movie was edited down from an NC 17. It was already pretty bloody, so I'm curious.
[00:57:06] Paul Scheer: I know the answer to that. It's the stabbing in the, uh, in the jail cell, the rack of ribs scene. It was very bloody, but it was more bloody.
[00:57:15] Jason Mantzoukas: But that's and bloody enough to get an NC 17. That's insane.
[00:57:21] Paul Scheer: Well then he took the thing and ate his dick in there too.
[00:57:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. Okay.
[00:57:25] Adam Pally: He kept cutting off everyone's dick.
[00:57:28] Paul Scheer: Let me come through this aisle.
[00:57:30] Jason Mantzoukas: He used the guy's dick as a, as a weapon for the rest of the movie. They had to change it to a steak bone.
[00:57:36] Adam Pally: What we didn't see was down in that tunnel, there was a bunch of dicks.
[00:57:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Just so many. It was a Dick Tunnel.
[00:57:42] Paul Scheer: Hi. What do you got?
[00:57:43] Audience Member: Yeah. Uh, it's John. And Paul, I loved your book.
[00:57:46] Paul Scheer: Oh, thank you so much. I appreciate you.
[00:57:47] Audience Member: Just really meaningful, but I just wanted to say like this movie is what would happen with Batman if he saw his wife and daughter raped and murdered.
[00:57:57] Paul Scheer: Alright, well, don't, we don't even get upset if that's what the premise of the movie is.
[00:58:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait.
[00:58:01] Paul Scheer: Why are we?
[00:58:01] Jason Mantzoukas: That is, we've talked about that happening multiple times and you guys just reacted like what?
[00:58:07] Paul Scheer: I like it. I like that this is the origin story of Batman.
[00:58:10] Jason Mantzoukas: So yeah, this is Philly's Batman is Gerard Butler?
[00:58:15] Paul Scheer: Makes sense. Here, take a.
[00:58:17] Jason Mantzoukas: We're running outta water in the Batcave.
[00:58:21] Paul Scheer: By the way, that should be the shirt. Gerard Butler with a Batman cow saying Philly's Batman.
[00:58:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:58:27] Adam Pally: Yeah.
[00:58:28] Paul Scheer: That's pretty great.
[00:58:29] Jason Mantzoukas: It's good. It's good until we get a cease and desist from DC. So buy 'em quick. They'll be collectors' items.
[00:58:39] Adam Pally: Ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight.
[00:58:42] Paul Scheer: I'm going up, but I have to announce here.
[00:58:45] Adam Pally: What I was gonna ask when Paul goes up was the, the, uh, Jamie Foxx going everywhere as a lawyer did remind me of Tom Cruise going everywhere as a doctor in Eyes Wide shut. I feel like these movies could, that could be a similar universe.
[00:59:01] Jason Mantzoukas: And they meet up on Collateral. That's that, where do I know you from?
[00:59:07] Adam Pally: It is crazy that this is the same actor from Collateral. That's why I kept thinking I was watching. I was like this. That's Django Unchained.
[00:59:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:59:16] Adam Pally: They're the same person. Like.
[00:59:19] Paul Scheer: I'm in the upper balcony.
[00:59:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow. Fuck.
[00:59:23] Paul Scheer: This is very high.
[00:59:26] Jason Mantzoukas: That's like stressing me.
[00:59:27] Paul Scheer: It's very high up here.
[00:59:28] Adam Pally: Yeah.
[00:59:28] Paul Scheer: Wow. Okay. Anybody in this level been in the movie? You were? Alright.
[00:59:34] Adam Pally: I loved how the audience has now kind of come to grips with a lot of people are gonna be in the movie like it's losing, losing its luster.
[00:59:42] Paul Scheer: Alright. Hi. How are you?
[00:59:44] Audience Member: Good. So it, it was technically in my car that was in the movie.
[00:59:47] Paul Scheer: Hey. That counts.
[00:59:49] Jason Mantzoukas: That makes sense for the upper balcony.
[00:59:52] Audience Member: Yeah. It was like, yeah.
[00:59:53] Jason Mantzoukas: People down here were in the movie. People up there. My car was in the movie. In the aerial shot. You can see the roof of my house.
[01:00:03] Adam Pally: To be fair, that's how he met his mechanic.
[01:00:08] Paul Scheer: What, uh, what scene was your car in?
[01:00:10] Audience Member: Uh, it was in the parking lot of the prison.
[01:00:12] Paul Scheer: Oh, wow. Okay. So it was a featured car.
[01:00:14] Jason Mantzoukas: What kind of car?
[01:00:15] Audience Member: So my, uh, my ex's dad at the time was running a company where he was like renting out cars to movie sets and he asked if I wanted my car to be in the new Jamie Fox movie. So I was like, sure, why not?
[01:00:24] Paul Scheer: Yeah. And then when you found out it was a Gerard Butler movie too, you're like, well then Definitely.
[01:00:29] Audience Member: Yeah.
[01:00:29] Paul Scheer: Um, alright. Any questions?
[01:00:30] Jason Mantzoukas: What kind of, what kind of car was it?
[01:00:32] Audience Member: Oh, it was like a Dodge minivan.
[01:00:34] Paul Scheer: Pretty cool. If you're gonna get a minivan, don't get a Chrysler Pacifica. Um.
[01:00:39] Adam Pally: I knew it was gonna be something memorable 'cause to have someone call you and be like, Hey, you know that weird piece of shit you drive around?
[01:00:48] Jason Mantzoukas: I bet. I bet a prison guard would drive that. Can you park that by the prison?
[01:00:53] Paul Scheer: By the way, we haven't even talked about the robot shotgun EMF device.
[01:00:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh no, that's not a, it's. That's not a shotgun at all. It is like a 50 caliber, uh, mini gun and, and a bazooka.
[01:01:07] Paul Scheer: And it was just sitting out in the cemetery. No one.
[01:01:10] Adam Pally: No one noticed it.
[01:01:10] Paul Scheer: No one noticed it.
[01:01:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, it's rolling around like Johnny Five out there.
[01:01:14] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[01:01:15] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean, I half expected someone to say Johnny Five is alive. Babababa.
[01:01:21] Paul Scheer: Hi. What's her name? What's the question?
[01:01:23] Audience Member: Hi, my name's Esme. Um, I have a question about the murdered little girl. Um.
[01:01:27] Adam Pally: Finally.
[01:01:28] Audience Member: She makes a bracelet.
[01:01:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Cool. Be cool.
[01:01:30] Audience Member: Yeah.
[01:01:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Be cool.
[01:01:31] Adam Pally: I like kids.
[01:01:33] Audience Member: She makes a bracelet for her dad and says Daddy, and she makes a bracelet for her mom that says, Heather, why do you think that is?
[01:01:41] Paul Scheer: Wow.
[01:01:41] Adam Pally: And you know what? That's one of the another reason I wasn't super on Gerard's side at the beginning. I was like, this situation ship seems weird.
[01:01:52] Paul Scheer: It's gonna take me about 10 minutes to get downstairs, guys. So keep it going.
[01:01:59] Adam Pally: I was thinking if the person that operated the robot gunman was at the premier of this movie and the like, walking the robot gunman down the.
[01:02:09] Jason Mantzoukas: It was Gerard Butler.
[01:02:10] Adam Pally: Yeah. But like, there was definitely a tech, a technician.
[01:02:12] Paul Scheer: Well, why was he, why was he, I guess I was gonna say, why is he wearing gloves? But I guess I understand, but the doves looked delicate to me.
[01:02:17] Adam Pally: They did look.
[01:02:17] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[01:02:18] Adam Pally: Almost looked like a woman. I was like, maybe that would be.
[01:02:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, you, he's wearing the gloves because you'd recognize Jerry's hands anywhere.
[01:02:25] Paul Scheer: Um, a quick fact.
[01:02:26] Adam Pally: Those big sausage whiskey pubs.
[01:02:29] Paul Scheer: Alright, so here's some information about the sequel. In May, 2022, uh, it was announced, a standalone sequel was in development. The, uh.
[01:02:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, 2022?
[01:02:37] Paul Scheer: Yep.
[01:02:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.
[01:02:39] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[01:02:39] Adam Pally: This movie must have had legs.
[01:02:41] Paul Scheer: Gerard Butler was gonna serve as producer. Lucas Foster was gonna return as his role as producer, uh, and they were gonna revisit these great characters stating that the premise seems even more relevant today, then when the original film was released.
[01:02:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. Hang on, hang on. Wait. Are you saying? Did you just say Gerard Butler was gonna be in it?
[01:03:00] Paul Scheer: Well.
[01:03:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Or he was a producer?
[01:03:02] Paul Scheer: Producer.
[01:03:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. Okay.
[01:03:02] Paul Scheer: And then, and then he goes, the filmmaker stated, we're gonna blow your mind dot, dot dot again. And then, uh, while the plot has not been revealed, uh, they said that they see this film as a franchise. And then in 2025, Gerard Butler said, yeah, every now and again we go, oh, it's a TV show that's happening. No, it's a prequel. No, it's a sequel. Butler laughs I don't know.
[01:03:34] Jason Mantzoukas: I would, I would love it. Oh, sorry.
[01:03:36] Paul Scheer: I don't know what's happening. It's a shame 'cause I'm very proud of that movie. It's very good. End quote.
[01:03:43] Jason Mantzoukas: I agree. I would watch either a prequel, I mean, how they're gonna pull that off. I dunno. Um.
[01:03:50] Paul Scheer: Prequel is the way to go.
[01:03:51] Jason Mantzoukas: I would love, I would love a, I would love a prequel where he is like, uh, like a, that character.
[01:03:56] Adam Pally: Kinetic engineer.
[01:03:57] Jason Mantzoukas: A young kinetic engineer, like blowing shit up. Uh uh, I don't know what, or I would love even, even more if he somehow survives sitting on the napalm briefcase and he's like half burned up and he comes back two face style.
[01:04:15] Paul Scheer: I love this.
[01:04:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, you know, like a real, and, and I does it again.
[01:04:18] Adam Pally: I also hated when they opened that briefcase and that one cop goes napalm. It's like, yeah, he doesn't know what the fuck he's looking at.
[01:04:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh. Um, and what's in there is a bunch of gobby nonsense.
[01:04:28] Adam Pally: And yellow liquid. Like green slime liquid is like. Napalm. I was like, oh, that, that's an napalm so well lit?
[01:04:36] Paul Scheer: I also thought he was able to really figure out that air down to the, the minutes when he put that guy underground. And I was like, that guy could have probably held out 15 more minutes. I think.
[01:04:45] Adam Pally: No one gave a shit. They must have really hated Bill because they were like, Bill's dead. Like, yeah, but let's fuck with this guy more.
[01:04:52] Jason Mantzoukas: And you're telling me they can move that briefcase bomb all the way to the prison without it blowing up.
[01:04:58] Adam Pally: Yeah.
[01:04:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Like, but Jerry didn't set in like some sort of switch that's like, oh, if this gets moved, this gets picked up. Any, any kinetic movement sets it off. Absolutely not.
[01:05:09] Adam Pally: It's all potential.
[01:05:10] Jason Mantzoukas: And I was rooting for it to blow everybody up.
[01:05:13] Paul Scheer: Oh, I wanted.
[01:05:13] Jason Mantzoukas: I wanted.
[01:05:14] Paul Scheer: They should have both died.
[01:05:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. Not, oh, oh, you mean Jerry and Jamie Fox?
[01:05:19] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[01:05:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, that would've been cool.
[01:05:20] Adam Pally: That'd be great. 'Cause honestly, I wanna see Regina go off and meet someone.
[01:05:24] Paul Scheer: Yeah. She needs to get out of that. Again. Uh, I wanted the daughter to blow up at the very end.
[01:05:29] Adam Pally: Yeah. But Regina, Regina needed a new start in New york.
[01:05:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Wouldn't it be great? Tell me this wouldn't have been great. Jerry blows up, cuts to Jamie Fox in the auditorium with his daughter's recital. She's.
[01:05:43] Paul Scheer: Bam.
[01:05:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. The, the violin head shots her straight away.
[01:05:48] Adam Pally: Right.
[01:05:49] Jason Mantzoukas: No? Okay. Philly. Interesting.
[01:05:53] Paul Scheer: Originally, Gerard Butler was supposed to play the Jamie Fox role.
[01:05:59] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, interesting.
[01:05:59] Paul Scheer: And Jamie Fox was supposed to play the Gerard Butler role. If you asked Gerard Butler, he said, I decided to switch parts. If you asked Jamie Fox, he says, I decided to switch parts.
[01:06:13] Jason Mantzoukas: I would've loved it if, if Gerard Butler played both roles and they were twin brothers Prestige style.
[01:06:23] Adam Pally: One has an accent, the other sort of has an accent.
[01:06:27] Paul Scheer: Alright, obviously we have an opinion about this film, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for Second Opinions.
[01:06:38] Audience Member: Woo. Hi, my name is Wyn.
[01:06:40] Paul Scheer: Woo.
[01:06:46] Audience Member: Let's forget the law. We don't need any order but bring on the torture.
[01:07:01] So many grusome deaths, unexplained prison beds. How did they not know that people would blow up in those cars.
[01:07:15] American accents are hard.
[01:07:21] Bump bum. How did this get made? I give it five stars.
[01:07:26] Paul Scheer: Amazing. Great Job.
[01:07:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Law and Order theme song.
[01:07:32] Adam Pally: Love it.
[01:07:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Old School Law and Order. Original Law and Order. Theme song.
[01:07:37] Adam Pally: I didn't, uh, realize there was gonna be a Kill Tony portion of this show.
[01:07:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep.
[01:07:43] Paul Scheer: Law Abiding Citizen has the average review of 4.7 outta five stars.
[01:07:48] Adam Pally: Wow.
[01:07:51] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't, I don't disagree.
[01:07:52] Paul Scheer: 84% of the 5,725 reviews are five star reviews. Carl Pierce in 2013 writes,
[01:08:03] "Gerard Butler is in quotes, the man. What he had to do just to dig that tunnel equipped with anything and everything completely lit up, rail car to haul all that dirt. So here's the question. What happened with all that dirt?"
[01:08:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Holy shit. That's, that's fucking awesome.
[01:08:36] Paul Scheer: Five star.
[01:08:37] Adam Pally: Five stars.
[01:08:39] Jason Mantzoukas: That's it right there. People, I love when you, I love when you read one, which is like, what is, what does this person care about?
[01:08:47] Paul Scheer: Yeah. The dirt.
[01:08:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.
[01:08:50] Paul Scheer: The dirt. Uh, as he built an underground seat.
[01:08:53] Jason Mantzoukas: What happened that, that, I mean, I'm sure he has a little game with his wife where he says, where do you think all that dirt went?
[01:09:03] Adam Pally: But he still gave it five star. He loved it.
[01:09:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Oh yeah.
[01:09:06] Adam Pally: Loved it.
[01:09:06] Jason Mantzoukas: She is like, I bet he put it in a dump and he says, I bet he put it at the beach and then we fuck.
[01:09:14] Adam Pally: I like this movie, babe. It's no Shawshank. You saw what happened with the dirt in Shawshank.
[01:09:21] Paul Scheer: Uh, Rap R does not give this five stars, but 10.
[01:09:25] How is that allowed? I don't know. But the title of review is
[01:09:28] "10 Stars. Finally."
[01:09:31] And it starts off like this.
[01:09:32] "A good movie for once."
[01:09:37] Adam Pally: Oh my God.
[01:09:38] Paul Scheer: "After renting and watching this movie Saturday night, not an hour later, I bought it."
[01:09:45] Adam Pally: Who wrote that? The guy from January 6th in the buffalo hat?
[01:09:50] Jason Mantzoukas: That I Oh, oh, the the Q Anon Shaman?
[01:09:53] Adam Pally: Yeah.
[01:09:54] Paul Scheer: "This is one of my favorite movies now. The acting, amazing. The story, amazing. I can't stop thinking about it or stop telling people about it. Come Monday morning, I had five people I told to watch this movie by Sunday night and every one of them agreed this movie kicks"
[01:10:14] and then it's all written. So he doesn't wanna be vulgar.
[01:10:17] "@$$"
[01:10:17] but he wrote it in an exclamation point and dollar cents.
[01:10:21] "I agree with some of the reviewers that the ending could have been better, but it had to come to an end."
[01:10:30] Adam Pally: That review feels like it was written by Chris Christie.
[01:10:35] Paul Scheer: "This is a must own movie for movie fanatics like me, it's a mix of Seven and maybe Death Sentence with a little Silence of the Lambs maybe. Amazing five star movie. No. 10 Stars unrated edition, only available on Blu-ray. Fuck you. Trying to force Blu-ray discs on us for extra stuff is criminal. Screw Blu-ray."
[01:11:07] Jason Mantzoukas: And that's all in caps, and that's from President Donald Trump on Truth, on Truth Social, I would, I would believe it if Trump tried to appoint Jamie Fox's character Attorney General of the United States, the character.
[01:11:26] Adam Pally: Someone get the Bible.
[01:11:28] Paul Scheer: He's got a 95% conviction rate. Um, Mary Ann Greenley writes,
[01:11:35] "This film was riveting and it shows just how the justice system in this country really is, quote unquote unfair and quote unquote manipulative.
[01:11:47] And what the character that Gerard Butler played so brilliantly. Is necessary for the rest of us to see another example of how one man can make a difference. He changed Jamie Fox's character totally around and made him into a new and better man. I love this movie so much that the instant I saw it, I had to own it.
[01:12:11] I can watch it anytime that I want and I enjoy it every time. Great acting, super exciting. Kudos and accolades to whomever created this movie. This film is one of my very favorites and reaches in and touches that part of me that knows that existing way that the court system is today is not justice at all. And we get to experience and get that given the opportunity and experience of what Gerard's character had to go through, we would do the exact same thing to make the criminals of the world see that there are a whole lot of people out here, that if we had the chance and the skills would see that the criminals need to suffer the same way that their victims suffer.
[01:13:03] The criminals of this magnitude never get to suffer the same way that their victims suffer at their vile and sick ways. And in this film we get to vicariously get to have our revenge button satisfied. Great way to avenge a wrongdoing. Five stars. Title, Justice at its Finest."
[01:13:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Holy shit, that that is an audition monologue.
[01:13:36] Paul Scheer: Uh, couple of things that don't make sense in this movie, the neurotoxin would've made Darby collapse and he would not be able to hold himself upright. The graveyard murder robot would've also knocked out the radios if it was an EMP device.
[01:13:47] Adam Pally: Yeah, that was the problem with the robot.
[01:13:49] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Uh, Clyde should have had scars when he stripped down naked from being stabbed in the belly.
[01:13:54] Adam Pally: That's true.
[01:13:55] Paul Scheer: It says, uh, pretrial suspects are held in county jail, not prisons, and not max security. No corrections officer would give a lawyer a key to an inmate's cell.
[01:14:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Or let a waiter in the prison.
[01:14:09] Paul Scheer: Well, that goes to this one.
[01:14:11] Adam Pally: Here's a spork.
[01:14:13] Paul Scheer: Prison guards would never allow a steak bone to enter a jail cell.
[01:14:17] Adam Pally: Steak bone, they gave him a spork.
[01:14:20] Paul Scheer: Pennsylvania Correctional Officers wear gray and black uniforms, not white. Uh, the district attorney is an elected county official. The mayor has no jurisdiction over the position, nor the authority to appoint one and make decisions regarding the office. Pennsylvania does not have wardens.
[01:14:37] Uh, and confessions must be given voluntarily. Trading goods for confession is bribery. Uh, that's a couple of inconsistencies.
[01:14:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow. Incredible.
[01:14:48] Paul Scheer: And I will say, uh, but you know what, what is this movie really about? Well, we asked one person who didn't see it to explain it.
[01:14:58] June Diane Raphael: Oh, you guys didn't know what Law Abiding Citizen with Jamie Fox two exes and Jerry Butler is about.
[01:15:05] Okay. That's weird. Um, it's a wonderful motion picture. Of course I haven't seen it, but I will speak on it. It's about, uh, a two dear friends who set off on a, on a buddy road trip together from New City to LA and they, uh, one of them is kind of a bus, a businessman, regular nine to fiver, living that corporate life just clogging in, but also fading away, away, losing his life force.
[01:15:39] Not a lot going on behind the eyes anymore. And that's Jamie Fox. On the other hand, we have Jerry Butler, his old friend from college, and they're off to, they're off to California to see, uh, someone's passed away, I think that they knew. And so they're going, they're going to, there's a series of circumstances. The FAA, you know, cutting back air traffic control, they gotta drive. Okay? Don't, don't worry about why and when they set off on this trip, what we come to find out is that Jerry Butler's actually in, in quite a bit of trouble, many gambling debts, and he's got a lot of people after him. And Jamie Fox is the law abiding citizen and doesn't want anything to do with this.
[01:16:22] He's straight laced as they come. Of course, there's a giant scene that, uh, happens when they get to Vegas, but I'm not going to reveal that. I want you guys to just enjoy the film. But yeah, it's, it's so much fun. And they go to honor their dear friend, their fraternity brother who's passed, uh, from, from a terrible disease, you know, and they're trying to deal with that too, and how precious this life is.
[01:16:51] And so is this the time for Jamie to kinda let his hair down? And is this a time for Jerry to grow up? Well, we're gonna find that out in Law Abiding Citizen.
[01:17:04] Paul Scheer: There it is.
[01:17:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh.
[01:17:06] Adam Pally: Accurate.
[01:17:07] Paul Scheer: Pretty close. Pretty close.
[01:17:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, by the way, I would love to watch that movie.
[01:17:13] Adam Pally: I love it.
[01:17:13] Jason Mantzoukas: It's a good movie. I mean, that movie sounds dynamite.
[01:17:16] Paul Scheer: Um, would you recommend it, Jason?
[01:17:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Hell yeah. I didn't press pause once.
[01:17:21] Paul Scheer: Right.
[01:17:21] Jason Mantzoukas: I, I was just enjoy, I was letting it wash over me like a cool Scottish breeze. Um, yeah, I had a blast. I thought it was fun as hell.
[01:17:30] Adam Pally: I, yeah, as a joke.
[01:17:33] Paul Scheer: Okay. I was, uh, I was on the, the regional train from New York today. Coming up here. Was packed. And I was sitting.
[01:17:43] Jason Mantzoukas: I was on the Ella.
[01:17:45] Paul Scheer: I missed, I missed my Ella.
[01:17:47] Adam Pally: I drove.
[01:17:48] Paul Scheer: And as I sat next to a gentleman who sat next to me, he looked over and he goes, good flick. And I said, sir, come to the Miller Theater tonight. He's like, Nope, I'm taking 10 more stops to Baltimore. Um, I like this movie. I like it. I think it could have been better. And I feel like that is really the big thing, is like this was a movie that was supposed to be directed by Frank Darabont. He walked off the film because they changed too much of the plotting of it. So it, well, like.
[01:18:19] Jason Mantzoukas: What did, do you have what they changed? Was there anything.
[01:18:21] Paul Scheer: A couple of the details here.
[01:18:22] Adam Pally: Well, they definitely made the lawyer likable.
[01:18:24] Paul Scheer: Yeah. I do think that that's like some of the stuff here.
[01:18:27] Adam Pally: Yeah. It was probably all, a lot of like the notes when they switched characters that each actor wanted.
[01:18:33] Paul Scheer: Right. And I think that that like, wait, hold on. I, I had a thing here and I.
[01:18:36] Jason Mantzoukas: I'm curious because I agree it's so close to a good movie.
[01:18:41] Adam Pally: Yeah.
[01:18:41] Jason Mantzoukas: It has all of the pieces and parts including, and I wouldn't be surprised if there was a fantastic script originally that got Frank Darabont that got all these actors, because again, it's a murder's row of actors who were like, yes. So put me in. I love it.
[01:18:58] Paul Scheer: Alright, so this is what I was looking for. I'm sorry it took me a second here. The Law Abiding Citizen went through several versions before F Gary Gray decided uh, on the overall hated ending, there were rumors that Jamie Foxx demanded a new ending where his character kills Clyde to save the people of City Hall. In one version, Nick and Clyde fought in hand to hand combat leading Nick to be arrested.
[01:19:22] Jason Mantzoukas: His name was Nick?
[01:19:23] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[01:19:24] Jason Mantzoukas: No.
[01:19:25] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[01:19:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, oh, yes. And, and Jerry's name is Clyde.
[01:19:30] Paul Scheer: Oh. So, so then Nick was gonna be arrested, and this goes to our friend's point here. Then he makes a deal with the district attorney to become the new Clyde.
[01:19:40] Jason Mantzoukas: So now he's Batman?
[01:19:42] Paul Scheer: I guess so.
[01:19:44] Adam Pally: And who is Leslie Bibb?
[01:19:46] Paul Scheer: I mean, I think it was supposed to be Katherine Zeta It was supposed to be Katherine Zeta Jones.
[01:19:51] Adam Pally: No way.
[01:19:52] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[01:19:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, I mean, would, would, would she have had a better storyline? Like the character's underserved by the script in every way, shape and form.
[01:19:59] Adam Pally: Yeah.
[01:20:00] Jason Mantzoukas: You know.
[01:20:00] Paul Scheer: I guess you're right. Uh, and if you are to follow the coordinates from the film.
[01:20:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah.
[01:20:05] Paul Scheer: You'll be led to the hotel that the cast and crew stayed in in Philadelphia. And you'll also find many people buried alive there.
[01:20:14] Adam Pally: You know, I was supposed to play Chester.
[01:20:17] Jason Mantzoukas: You shot that scene, right?
[01:20:18] Adam Pally: I shot my one scene.
[01:20:19] Jason Mantzoukas: And it was just you emailing him.
[01:20:21] Adam Pally: And I went for it.
[01:20:23] Paul Scheer: You were eating mac and cheese with one hand type.
[01:20:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Which is, which is I believe Hugh Jackman in Swordfish.
[01:20:29] Adam Pally: Yes.
[01:20:31] Paul Scheer: Um, Pally, you have an amazing podcast that, uh, I feel like I've talked to so many people that have said it's helped them. Jason and I have been guests on it.
[01:20:38] Adam Pally: Yes, thank you.
[01:20:39] Paul Scheer: But you are talking about Men's health in a way that I feel like people don't actually ever talk about, like Men's Health.
[01:20:45] Adam Pally: Oh, thanks. Yeah.
[01:20:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Men's Health specifically the magazine. Men's Health Magazine.
[01:20:48] Adam Pally: Men's health magazine. It's all, it's a podcast about Men's Health Magazine.
[01:20:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Every episode of the podcast covers another issue of the magazine.
[01:20:56] Adam Pally: Mm-hmm. We do what we, five of the episodes we've recorded about Kumail. Yeah. Uh, uh. No, it's, uh, it's, uh, a po it's like a podcast about, uh, uh, health for people who like done by before pictures.
[01:21:11] Right. You know, like usually health podcasts are done by after pictures, but I'm a before picture, my co-host John Gabrus a before pictures. So it's, uh, it's like done, done by people who can't get it together.
[01:21:22] Jason Mantzoukas: And you guys are talking to people like us, but you're also talking to doctors.
[01:21:26] Adam Pally: Yes.
[01:21:26] Jason Mantzoukas: You're talking to like, you're genuinely pursuing and investigating and interrogating how we are taking care of ourselves or not?
[01:21:34] Adam Pally: Exactly. Yeah. And what steps we're doing to just like prolong our lives. 'Cause I think everybody, even, even people who are not, are doing something daily to keep themselves alive.
[01:21:43] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[01:21:43] Adam Pally: And it's called Staying Alive.
[01:21:45] Paul Scheer: There it is.
[01:21:45] Adam Pally: Oh yeah. Look at that. I also, I do have to just contractually, I've been told I have to do this anytime the Smartless logo is up there, uh, if you're looking for a new mobile carrier. Smartless Mobile. I'm sorry, I have to do this.
[01:22:02] Paul Scheer: Smartless Mobile. You are on Smartless Mobile.
[01:22:03] Adam Pally: Smartless Mobile. I'm on Smartless Mobile. My mom on Smartless mobile.
[01:22:06] Paul Scheer: Every time I call me, every time I call Pally, I have to hear Will Arnett I like he picks up for you.
[01:22:12] Adam Pally: He does my message. You call me. He picks up. Hey, Adam Pally's mobile.
[01:22:18] Paul Scheer: Um, I wanna also just talk about your HBO special, which.
[01:22:20] Adam Pally: Oh yeah. Thank you.
[01:22:21] Paul Scheer: Is fantastic. Uh, again, it's available.
[01:22:25] Adam Pally: Yes. Now and it's on HBO Max. And Go.
[01:22:29] Paul Scheer: And what is that called? I'm sorry.
[01:22:30] Adam Pally: It's called HBO Max Go.
[01:22:32] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[01:22:32] Adam Pally: No, my, my specials called an Intimate Evening with Adam Pally. It's on HBO. You could, you could stream it tonight. Um, or anytime.
[01:22:39] Paul Scheer: It's fantastic. We talked a lot about this on our Last Looks episode. We love it. It's great. Uh, there it is right there.
[01:22:44] Adam Pally: Oh, cool. Thank you guys. Thank you so much for doing that.
[01:22:46] Paul Scheer: Oh yeah.
[01:22:46] Adam Pally: So nice of you guys.
[01:22:48] Paul Scheer: Jason.
[01:22:50] Jason Mantzoukas: All right, let's go. A Man on the Inside, season two.
[01:22:54] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[01:22:55] Jason Mantzoukas: I'm in it. Percy Jackson, season two.
[01:22:58] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[01:22:59] Jason Mantzoukas: I'm in it. And not for nothing, Taskmaster Season 19. Every episode available on YouTube. Watch it. Comment. U-S-A U-S-A.
[01:23:17] Paul Scheer: I wanna plug really quickly. Every week, Rob Huebel and I go into The Dark Web on YouTube and, uh, and also my book, Joyful Recollections of Trauma. Uh, it's still available and you can listen to it. You can, uh, read it as a soft back and it has extra pages, but if you want it signed, you could just order it from my website and we go through a local independent bookstore. You get a signed copy. Uh, thank you everybody for coming out tonight. We're gonna give you a chance to take pictures right now.
[01:23:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Great work, Philly. Great work.
[01:23:45] Paul Scheer: You all are fantastic. We love you. Thank you for coming. We know there are a million places to spend your money. We appreciate that you spent it on us tonight. Thank you. Thank you, thank you. You are amazing. Thank you for listening. Thank you. We'll see you soon. Bye-Bye.
[01:23:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Eat shit, Philly.
[01:24:01] Paul Scheer: That is a wrap. If you have a correction or omission from this episode, leave me a voicemail at 6 1 9 P-A-U-L-A-S-K or write a comment on our discord at Discord.gg/HDTGM and I'll respond to your messages next week On Last Looks, and remember, if you listen to this podcast on Apple or Spotify, make sure you are subscribed to our feed and have automatic downloads turned on in the show settings.
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[01:24:40] That's all I got. We'll see you next week on Last Looks. Bye for now.