Brace yourselves, 'cause Paul, June, and Jason are covering the "choice" 1993 teen horror rom-com My Boyfriend's Back starring Andrew Lowery, Traci Lind, and Matthew Fox. LIVE from Largo in L.A. they discuss Philip Seymour Hoffman's brilliantly unhinged performance, how Johnny Dingle is a straight up creepo, if Missy is horny for dead bodies, and so much more. Plus, Paul drops SEVERAL new wild childhood stories and reveals an unexpected historical connection to the movie that leaves everyone speechless.
Brace yourselves, 'cause Paul, June, and Jason are covering the "choice" 1993 teen horror rom-com My Boyfriend's Back starring Andrew Lowery, Traci Lind, and Matthew Fox. LIVE from Largo in L.A. they discuss Philip Seymour Hoffman's brilliantly unhinged performance, how Johnny Dingle is a straight up creepo, if Missy is horny for dead bodies, and so much more. Plus, Paul drops SEVERAL new wild childhood stories and reveals an unexpected historical connection to the movie that leaves everyone speechless.
[00:00:00] Paul Scheer: What if a creepy stalker got a second chance to be a creep? We saw My Boyfriend's Back. So you know what that means?
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[00:01:01] Paul Scheer: Hello, people of Earth! Hello people of Los Angeles!
[00:01:11] We're live at Largo for our Halloween special. The hauntingly scary, My Boyfriend's Back. My Boyfriend's Back directed by the same person who wrote Gosford Park.
[00:01:29] That's right. Bob Balaban. Bob Balaban, Phoebe's dad from Friends. Bob Balaban, the man who played Warren Littlefield on Seinfeld. Bob Balaban made this movie and boy, oh boy, I think it saves it. I think that in other people's hands it would've been worse, but it's also not great. Now, if you're wondering, what, what is my boyfriend's back at?
[00:02:03] What somebody's boyfriend comes back? Well, no. um, IMDB describes this film as
[00:02:11] "A teenage boy comes back from the dead because he is determined to win the most beautiful girl in the school."
[00:02:19] Okay, sure. I guess that's kind of like, you know, you're, you're kind of burying some parts of the story in there, whitewashing it, if you will.
[00:02:28] Um, we're gonna get into it. We're gonna get into this film that is not even an hour and 30 minutes. A movie that has a 13% on the tomato meter. A movie that cost 12 million and on opening weekend made 1.40. Yes, there is so much to discuss in tonight's film, but I need my cohost, so please welcome to the stage, Mr. Jason Mantzoukas!
[00:03:08] Jason Mantzoukas: What's up, jerks!? Let's go, Largo. Yeah. Oh boy. Paul, I'm going to answer your last question first. I 100% recommend this movie.
[00:03:22] Paul Scheer: There it is. There it is.
[00:03:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Maybe, maybe it's just the, uh, the, the harsh reality of John Carpenter's the ghosts of Mars last night.
[00:03:32] Paul Scheer: Sure.
[00:03:33] Jason Mantzoukas: This today was like a warm bath.
[00:03:36] Paul Scheer: A hundred percent agree.
[00:03:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Loved it.
[00:03:38] Paul Scheer: Here's the thing. I'll answer the last question first as well. I also recommended, I don't know if I liked it.
[00:03:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, I thought it was great. I had that thing happen that every once in a while happens with the movies that we do.
[00:03:54] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:03:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Which is, I found myself not taking notes, just enjoying the movie.
[00:04:01] Paul Scheer: Every now and then.
[00:04:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Every now and then I get sucked in and I'm like, Austin Pendleton. Okay. And then I look and I haven't made a note in like 10 minutes.
[00:04:10] Paul Scheer: Well, I felt the same way. I feel the same way. I feel like if I was watching a child do, uh, you know, a, a play at school.
[00:04:16] Jason Mantzoukas: What are watching a child do? A play at school? Okay.
[00:04:20] Paul Scheer: I have children. I'm not going and watching other people's children.
[00:04:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Let me meet them. Please Let me meet them.
[00:04:24] Paul Scheer: No, no.
[00:04:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Let me meet your kids! Someday. I'm gonna meet your kids and someday I'm gonna meet your wife.
[00:04:31] Paul Scheer: No, you, neither, neither. Um, Jason. You, you are better at this than most. What year do you think this movie came out?
[00:04:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Boy. Oh boy. I'm gonna say this movie came out in 1987.
[00:04:50] Paul Scheer: Great, great. Guess we'll hold the answer on that for just a, a second.
[00:04:54] Jason Mantzoukas: God, I fucked up with this last night too.
[00:04:56] Paul Scheer: And let me introduce to you my other cohost. Please welcome to the stage Miss June Diane Raphael!
[00:05:12] June Diane Raphael: Nice to meet you.
[00:05:15] Paul Scheer: Welcome, June. How are you?
[00:05:17] June Diane Raphael: I'm okay. How are you, Paul?
[00:05:19] Paul Scheer: I'm well. I'm well. June. Well because we started the episode answering the last question first, do you recommend this movie?
[00:05:26] June Diane Raphael: I don't know why we're doing this.
[00:05:28] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't.
[00:05:29] June Diane Raphael: I'm happy to talk about it.
[00:05:30] Jason Mantzoukas: What are we gonna do next? Teen Wolf?
[00:05:32] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. It doesn't.
[00:05:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Another fucking classic.
[00:05:35] Paul Scheer: Great movie.
[00:05:35] June Diane Raphael: Why didn't I see this movie sooner?
[00:05:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:05:37] June Diane Raphael: Where has it been?
[00:05:39] Jason Mantzoukas: My life would be so much different if I'd seen this movie.
[00:05:41] June Diane Raphael: And why are, honestly, why aren't we making more movies like this?
[00:05:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. How is there not teen movies now that aren't about like, oh, no, twin brothers both wanna fuck me. Or, or, or whatever. All of these teen shows are, there's multiple teen shows in which brothers that's are, are battling it out.
[00:06:04] June Diane Raphael: Summer turned pretty.
[00:06:05] Paul Scheer: All I'm, I'm saying is if this was the, uh, final season of euphoria, I would be thrilled.
[00:06:13] June Diane Raphael: I'm just like a strong comedic premise.
[00:06:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep.
[00:06:16] June Diane Raphael: Where everybody knows what world they're in.
[00:06:19] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:06:19] June Diane Raphael: And the joke, I, I gotta say now maybe I'm in a weird mental space, you know, but I have to say, the jokes never got old to me.
[00:06:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes, agreed.
[00:06:29] June Diane Raphael: Every, every time someone said it.
[00:06:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Every time he wanted to take a bite out of someone, I was like, yes.
[00:06:36] Paul Scheer: Yeah, I, I got some, I have some small notes, but before we even get into that, June, I want to ask you this question. I know you hate being put on the spot, but what year you think this movie came out?
[00:06:45] June Diane Raphael: Um, this movie came, well, I'm just gonna base this on Philip Seymour Hoffman's career.
[00:06:51] Paul Scheer: Sure.
[00:06:51] June Diane Raphael: Um, and I believe there's also, there's a cameo from Matthew McConaughey. That I think this is a.
[00:06:57] Jason Mantzoukas: He has two lines in the movie.
[00:06:59] Paul Scheer: Uh, also cut out Renee Zeiger. She's in the Beauty Salon scene. No lines.
[00:07:06] Jason Mantzoukas: So this movie, my guess is this movie shot in Texas.
[00:07:09] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:07:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.
[00:07:10] June Diane Raphael: Oh, smart.
[00:07:10] Jason Mantzoukas: That makes sense.
[00:07:11] June Diane Raphael: That's smart.
[00:07:11] Jason Mantzoukas: 'Cause those are all local hires.
[00:07:12] Paul Scheer: Yes. June, what year?
[00:07:15] June Diane Raphael: Okay, so putting that together, carry the one. I am gonna say this movie came out in 1988.
[00:07:25] Paul Scheer: Great. Alright. And Jason, you said?
[00:07:26] Jason Mantzoukas: I believe I said 87
[00:07:28] Paul Scheer: and the year is 1993. 1993.
[00:07:36] Jason Mantzoukas: How?
[00:07:37] Paul Scheer: 1993?
[00:07:38] Jason Mantzoukas: No wait.
[00:07:39] June Diane Raphael: Here's the thing, Jason. What I'm really, I'm actually worried. I'm worried because I do believe you and I have lost a decade of our lives.
[00:07:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Time. I, I believe we may suffer from time blindness.
[00:07:49] Paul Scheer: I will say that this year, 1993 was peak zomm com time because these are the other movies in 93 that came out. Zombie Bloodbath. Weekend at Bernie's Two. Return of the Living Dead Three. Ghost Brigade.
[00:08:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Ghost Brigade?
[00:08:06] Paul Scheer: I don't know. Ed and His Dead Mother.
[00:08:08] Jason Mantzoukas: It's a zombie movie called Ghost Brigade?
[00:08:10] Paul Scheer: Well, I guess maybe they run into zombie too.
[00:08:12] Jason Mantzoukas: I'm so curious. I'm like, we gotta do Ghost Brigade.
[00:08:14] Paul Scheer: Uh, i'm ready for it.
[00:08:16] Jason Mantzoukas: I think that's clear.
[00:08:17] Paul Scheer: Um, so yeah, different. It. Different. It definitely hit differently. 1993. I mean, I don't know.
[00:08:23] Jason Mantzoukas: What year? I mean, I'm sure we don't know, but some nerd will tell me, what year did Teen Wolf come out?
[00:08:28] Paul Scheer: Teen Wolf came out the year before Back to the Future 'cause he shot that first. So back to the future is 85.
[00:08:34] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.
[00:08:34] Paul Scheer: This is the 40th anniversary.
[00:08:35] Jason Mantzoukas: 'Cause this movie seems like it's basically Teen Wolf, but with what if instead of the puberty allegory being werewolf, it is zombie, right?
[00:08:45] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:08:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, it's still a lot of the same games are being played. Everybody's normalizing the zombie immediately.
[00:08:51] Paul Scheer: But I also feel like Teen Wolf, mean, dare I say a better film, uh, a movie that I also.
[00:08:58] Jason Mantzoukas: He said it, I can't believe he said it.
[00:08:59] Paul Scheer: I mean.
[00:09:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Can't believe he said it's a Teen Wolf is a better film.
[00:09:02] Paul Scheer: Lord. That pretty good. Um, I will say that. Well, I mean, this is gonna be weird and you're not. Why? Well, what, what do I have to hide?
[00:09:11] June Diane Raphael: Say it.
[00:09:12] Paul Scheer: When I watched Teen Wolf as a child, I had it on VHS 'cause I taped it off of whatever, you know, it was legal. I wasn't doing it illegally. And there was a moment where he was like getting, uh, intimate with his girlfriend, uh, Michael J. Fox. And um, and he said, tickle my paws.
[00:09:29] Like, it was like, that was like a thing, like tickle my paws. Like, he's like, you know, a sexual thing.
[00:09:34] June Diane Raphael: He's a wolf.
[00:09:34] Paul Scheer: But I thought that was a cue to the home viewing audience to hit pause to potentially see some nudity.
[00:09:44] Jason Mantzoukas: You thought that up yourself?
[00:09:46] Paul Scheer: Yep.
[00:09:47] Jason Mantzoukas: You invented, so you thought that maybe movies were giving you subtle clues? Had this worked before?
[00:09:55] Paul Scheer: So in my mind, in my mind, I never heard the line so clearly. I never heard tickle my paw. I just kind of heard, like in my mind I might have heard like hit pause and I was like, and I thought would.
[00:10:08] Jason Mantzoukas: And your mind immediately went to, if I hit it, I get to see nudity.
[00:10:12] Paul Scheer: Because I knew it was like a sexy scene and I was like, Ooh, maybe they would shoot like a, an insert.
[00:10:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Holy shit. That's awesome.
[00:10:20] Paul Scheer: And I've never shared that with anyone.
[00:10:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Shocking.
[00:10:24] Paul Scheer: But it's the only thing.
[00:10:26] Jason Mantzoukas: But it's, it's that. Did you wanna announce the next book?
[00:10:30] Paul Scheer: Ah, I know. It's just like a weird.
[00:10:32] June Diane Raphael: So you thought, like, were you always looking for your lead actors and protagonist to speak to you, the the viewer?
[00:10:39] Jason Mantzoukas: First. I understand. I completely understand the overwhelming desire to see nudity.
[00:10:46] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:10:46] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. I didn't have that.
[00:10:48] Jason Mantzoukas: And that you're looking for any way that it might be able to happen. That's why you would watch a scrambled cable channel. Just for.
[00:10:54] Paul Scheer: A hundred percent.
[00:10:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Just for every 10.
[00:10:56] Paul Scheer: Play with dial.
[00:10:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Exactly. Every 10 minutes you get 30 seconds of a boob or something.
[00:11:01] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:11:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Um. But, but, but the, that thinking that the movie was telling you.
[00:11:06] Paul Scheer: Hit pause. Hit pause. It was pg.
[00:11:10] June Diane Raphael: And did you, well, obviously, I mean, did you see anything?
[00:11:11] Paul Scheer: No.
[00:11:11] June Diane Raphael: Was it speaking to you?
[00:11:12] Paul Scheer: No. 'cause I thought I wasn't hitting it at the right time.
[00:11:16] Jason Mantzoukas: How long did you spend?
[00:11:18] Paul Scheer: A lot. I would be maybe, no, no, you, you. And then, and then many years later, I found that the line was tickle my paws and I was like, ah, he wasn't saying, please hit pause.
[00:11:31] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean, this is.
[00:11:33] Paul Scheer: I'll tell you two things of why I thought that could work. One number one, first piece of evidence. When I was a child, there was a clue VHS game. Okay. So you would put the, the VHS tape in there and you would play the board game and they'd like, fast forward to minute 2, 7 7, and you were, that's not a thing that could exist 2, 4, 7. And I'd do it and you'd watch something like, oh, good job there, mate. You did the thing. And then you're like, oh, great. So I thought, okay, maybe all vhs.
[00:12:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Who's that guy?
[00:12:03] June Diane Raphael: Okay.
[00:12:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Who's, who's?
[00:12:05] Paul Scheer: Colonel Mustard.
[00:12:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Who's the Darby of this game?
[00:12:09] Paul Scheer: Like Jumanji. So I thought there was like a, you know, I was like, I I.
[00:12:12] June Diane Raphael: So you had been primed to Yeah.
[00:12:15] Paul Scheer: Right. And then.
[00:12:16] June Diane Raphael: Be an interactive viewer.
[00:12:19] Jason Mantzoukas: From a Clue VhS video game. This is a movie he taped himself off of cable.
[00:12:25] Paul Scheer: Alright, I'm gonna give you, I'm gonna give you the two other.
[00:12:28] Jason Mantzoukas: You're trying too hard to get this okay. To normalize this behavior.
[00:12:32] Paul Scheer: I'm gonna give you the two other things. Um, the other thing was that my, uh, my parents were, uh, at a certain point, uh, Born Again Christians, and they were like, there's a lot of backward masking on albums.
[00:12:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Sure.
[00:12:46] Paul Scheer: You know, so, you know, you, you'd play it backwards, like, salute the devil, you know, not salute, but you know, you get it.
[00:12:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Because, because he is the commander in chief. So you gotta.
[00:13:00] Paul Scheer: Hail salute devil. The devil salute the devil. Oh, hail the devil. He keeps.
[00:13:11] Jason Mantzoukas: What song in reverse plays hail to the chief and has the lyrics salute the devil. Holy cow. Holy shit. These, how are these new stories? How is it possible there are new stories?
[00:13:31] We will start. Here's my, here's what I, my promise to you, the audience. We won't stop this podcast until Paul runs out of childhood stories. It's not movies. It's not even our desire to do it anymore. It's so that we can get these stories to you so that we can do things that provoke Paul's memory.
[00:13:54] Paul Scheer: Well, that was what a lot of people said about my book. They're like, wow, you didn't even share the stories that you share in the pod. We thought it would just be the stories from the podcast, but no, I forgot those, but I am just telling new ones. The, and then the final thing that made me think that there could be this.
[00:14:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, what?
[00:14:10] Paul Scheer: There was a, there was a kid in my class, uh, I believe his name was Brian Orlando. And Brian Orlando told me that his dad had a device, um, that was like a remote control. So if you were watching like a shampoo commercial with an attractive woman in it, you could take the device and then put the joystick down and then see naked people in the commercial.
[00:14:34] June Diane Raphael: Naked people, that woman naked or just other naked people.
[00:14:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. Okay. So it would be like, I need, I need to get in touch with Brian Orlando because, because, and hear me out if this tech exists and I'm only just hearing about it. Okay. Okay. Orlando.
[00:14:55] Paul Scheer: So just so you know, I'm coming in hot with a remote control device. Clue the video game and backward masking. I thought that Teen Wolf, 'cause it was a PG 13 movie, was sending me a little signal to see Boof Naked.
[00:15:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow. Wow. God. All that from tickle my paws.
[00:15:17] June Diane Raphael: My paws.
[00:15:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Like we got all of that from tickle.
[00:15:20] June Diane Raphael: Oh my God.
[00:15:20] Jason Mantzoukas: My paws.
[00:15:22] Paul Scheer: Well, I didn't want you to think I was a weirdo pervert.
[00:15:24] Jason Mantzoukas: We do, we do think that, anyway.
[00:15:27] June Diane Raphael: That's thing. It's like they say now boys like see pornography by the age of 10 and it's so disturbing. But then I'm like, I don't know. Maybe it's better.
[00:15:34] Jason Mantzoukas: It doesn't matter. At least they get to see it. Think of the hours they're not spending doing whatever this nonsense was. You could have learned to play guitar.
[00:15:45] Paul Scheer: Nope. Just trying to see.
[00:15:47] June Diane Raphael: Like maybe just show it to them. You know?
[00:15:49] Paul Scheer: By the way, I will say that scene where he says, says.
[00:15:51] Jason Mantzoukas: These are boobs, don't waste your time. They'll be there later.
[00:15:55] Paul Scheer: I will say that that scene where she is, uh, saying tickle my paws, they're fully dressed in a high school hallway. Like, so it would have to be like an a real insert shot.
[00:16:06] Jason Mantzoukas: You must have lived in a world in which hitting pause on anything, might reveal nudity.
[00:16:14] June Diane Raphael: Oh my god.
[00:16:14] Paul Scheer: True.
[00:16:14] June Diane Raphael: And what's really like. I, I mean, I, what's actually breaking my heart is the moment you must have realized like, it's not there. No, like, it's just not there.
[00:16:27] Jason Mantzoukas: I, I'll be honest, I don't know that he's given up hope. He still, he still seems to think he just didn't pause it in the right place.
[00:16:36] Paul Scheer: Well, now I got the 4K Steel book and um, and now I think I can get to the bottom of it.
[00:16:41] You don't even wanna know how I dealt with, like, I, when I finally got my hands on a, a Playboy magazine, I was so nervous that I was gonna get busted, that I cut out the, the pictures that I thought were choice.
[00:16:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Were choice? I wanna be very clear. That's a word I guarantee Paul has not used since he was a teenager.
[00:17:07] Paul Scheer: True.
[00:17:08] Jason Mantzoukas: That's not a word we use anymore to describe hot women.
[00:17:12] Paul Scheer: As a matter of fact.
[00:17:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, she's choice.
[00:17:14] Paul Scheer: I, as a matter of fact, I think it's a term they used in Teen Wolf.
[00:17:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Is it? Oh, that would be amazing.
[00:17:19] Paul Scheer: I think it is. I think Styles uses it.
[00:17:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Holy shit.
[00:17:21] Paul Scheer: So I cut out these pictures and then I was like, I can never get busted with this.
[00:17:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Again. A new story is being, do you know how lucky you're to be here tonight?
[00:17:31] June Diane Raphael: Oh my God. Do you mean you cut them out like in a square or like, did you cut out the lines?
[00:17:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Such a good question. So for a collage or for just pages?
[00:17:41] Paul Scheer: So, great question. Great question. Great question.
[00:17:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow, those legs are spread.
[00:17:50] Paul Scheer: I, I cut them out to be slightly smaller than a magazine page, so I was lose, I was cropping slightly.
[00:17:58] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, why not just rip it out?
[00:17:59] Paul Scheer: Well, hold on. I'll tell you June.
[00:18:01] June Diane Raphael: Okay.
[00:18:03] Paul Scheer: And then I got a, uh, an old like hunting and fishing magazine, zine, and then I inserted those nude pages throughout.
[00:18:17] Jason Mantzoukas: So did you own the hunting and fishing mag or did you go and buy that specifically for subterfuge?
[00:18:24] Paul Scheer: Well, I had, like, there were a collection of hunting and fishing magazines in my house.
[00:18:28] Jason Mantzoukas: How old were you at this point? Um, guess I mean, guesstimate.
[00:18:31] Paul Scheer: Like fifth grade.
[00:18:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. Okay. Okay.
[00:18:33] Paul Scheer: And, um, and so then I would keep that in like my magazine rack in my room that was next to my Lazyboy I did have a Lazyboy in my room and, uh.
[00:18:43] Jason Mantzoukas: You were a real, you were a real Martin Crane as a child.
[00:18:52] Paul Scheer: So it was next to my lazy boy.
[00:18:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.
[00:18:54] Paul Scheer: And so then I knew that I could keep it there. No one was ever gonna look at this old hunting and fishing magazine, that outdated info. So, so if I wanted to look at it, I could, you know, go to page 35 72. You know, I could move around and I'd have my, my pictures locked in there.
[00:19:14] June Diane Raphael: Wow. Wow.
[00:19:17] Jason Mantzoukas: This is next level.
[00:19:18] June Diane Raphael: Wow. Yeah.
[00:19:19] Jason Mantzoukas: This is incredible stuff. Yeah. But that just, I just do, 'cause we do have younger listeners.
[00:19:26] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:19:26] Jason Mantzoukas: That these are the lengths.
[00:19:28] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:19:28] Jason Mantzoukas: That we had to go to in effort to see nudity and be titillated.
[00:19:34] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:19:34] Jason Mantzoukas: We couldn't just be like, look at any random thing online.
[00:19:39] Paul Scheer: No. I had to make sure I was cutting and pasting. And using, you know, glue.
[00:19:43] June Diane Raphael: I'm just curious, like, did you try to integrate these choice women into the, like, hunting and fishing tableaus at all, or?
[00:19:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah.
[00:19:51] June Diane Raphael: Was it just like the page on a page?
[00:19:54] Paul Scheer: Yeah, it was, it was, it was, um, page on page. Unfortunately, it was not that thought out. I just kind of, I found areas where I felt like, you know, maybe the reader would be done with that story and then I would pop out.
[00:20:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Got it.
[00:20:07] Paul Scheer: So, because I wouldn't, I would never want. Someone defined it and be like, oh, what is going on in the world of hunting and fishing? And then be mid story and be like, whoa. And so, yeah. So, uh, I did take that, uh, that hunting and fishing magazine upstairs because I thought that no one was really, I was worried about my mom was gonna find it. I don't think my mom was gonna hunting.
[00:20:26] Jason Mantzoukas: And never. You were never, your secret was never revealed?
[00:20:29] Paul Scheer: No. Okay. She only got mad at me once for seeing that I took a Victoria's Secrets catalog up to my room before it got to like the kitchen mail slot.
[00:20:38] Jason Mantzoukas: It went straight into the Hu Hunting and Fishing.
[00:20:40] Paul Scheer: Yeah, I brought it up.
[00:20:42] Jason Mantzoukas: It's like, don't worry, I only cut out El McPherson. Uh, she's the most choice woman in, in this Victoria's Secret. Oh, no, that was me. That was the, the, the swimsuit. Uh, yeah, the swimsuit.
[00:20:54] Paul Scheer: But I also, not the Victoria's Secret.
[00:20:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Of course. Holy cow. So we did it. So is the show over?
[00:21:02] June Diane Raphael: I don't know what else to say.
[00:21:04] Jason Mantzoukas: I feel like I went into a fugue state about one hour ago.
[00:21:08] June Diane Raphael: What?
[00:21:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.
[00:21:13] Paul Scheer: So what I'll say about this movie is the title is.
[00:21:16] June Diane Raphael: Oh my God.
[00:21:17] Paul Scheer: The title is Misleading. The title's a little bit misleading. My Boyfriend's Back, he is not her boyfriend. Uh, I would say, and this is a thing that bothers me, like I am on board for this movie, but. He is a straight up creepo.
[00:21:34] June Diane Raphael: Yes. Uh, I actually, yes, you're right. I wish, my only problem with it was that I wish they had let go of this idea of her believing he actually died for her. Because he didn't, yes, he died throwing himself in front of, you know, that bullet. But he didn't believe at that point that that was a real scenario. 'cause he had staged it.
[00:21:59] Paul Scheer: Right. And that, I wanna go back one step and go, no, he is a creep. He, he stages a robbery.
[00:22:04] June Diane Raphael: He, he knew it at that point, but he had already.
[00:22:07] Jason Mantzoukas: He sees his friend being like, no, no, it's not me.
[00:22:09] June Diane Raphael: I know.
[00:22:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, okay. Okay.
[00:22:11] June Diane Raphael: But he had still staged a.
[00:22:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Sure.
[00:22:15] June Diane Raphael: And I just found it troubling that she never seemed to know that he had staged this really scary event for her.
[00:22:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:22:25] Paul Scheer: Pushed under the rug. And it's a, it's a weird thing because.
[00:22:27] Jason Mantzoukas: You're saying scary event and I would say romantic event.
[00:22:31] June Diane Raphael: Okay. So that's a different.
[00:22:33] Jason Mantzoukas: And in 1987 when this movie was made, this was the height of romance.
[00:22:37] June Diane Raphael: But I'm like, sweetie, don't feel so badly for him. Like he would never have even been there. I guess you would be dead, but like, I don't know. Actually, I don't think that guy would've taken his gun out.
[00:22:47] Paul Scheer: Can I tell you why she would've been dead? Because she's reaching behind her to get like a bat. This man has a gun. That bat ain't gonna do anything.
[00:22:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Just give the money.
[00:22:58] Paul Scheer: Give the money.
[00:22:59] Jason Mantzoukas: Give the money. And you guys can keep chatting when this person leaves.
[00:23:02] Paul Scheer: I mean, and I will say that again. I wanna talk about the creepiness of our lead, right? Our lead, Andrew, uh, sorry. Our lead.
[00:23:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Johnny Dingle.
[00:23:11] Paul Scheer: Johnny Dingle.
[00:23:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Don't even you. You need to look at the papers. I can tell you Johnny Dingle right now.
[00:23:17] Paul Scheer: Johnny Dingle.
[00:23:18] Jason Mantzoukas: You know what was heartbreaking to me? Johnny Dingle dies a virgin twice. Heartbreak.
[00:23:24] June Diane Raphael: But you know, this is what I sort of, I miss. The, I I know.
[00:23:28] Jason Mantzoukas: The virginity movie?
[00:23:29] June Diane Raphael: Well.
[00:23:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Sorry, sorry, sorry.
[00:23:31] June Diane Raphael: I miss the days in which teenagers were 37.
[00:23:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:23:36] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:23:37] June Diane Raphael: Like that. These, I really missed the Andrea Zucker's, the, like, I missed the, the old, the
[00:23:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Daphne and Egos.
[00:23:45] June Diane Raphael: Old yeah. The old teens. And that's what I did find comforting.
[00:23:48] Jason Mantzoukas: The old teens.
[00:23:49] June Diane Raphael: I really do. I found it so comforting watching this movie. Like.
[00:23:53] Paul Scheer: He was 23.
[00:23:54] June Diane Raphael: Johnny Dingle was the same age, if not older than her dad.
[00:23:58] Paul Scheer: Johnny Dingle. Johnny Dingle 23. Uh, the, the woman, 25.
[00:24:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:24:06] June Diane Raphael: Wow.
[00:24:06] Jason Mantzoukas: As all teen movies should be.
[00:24:09] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. Agreed.
[00:24:10] Paul Scheer: And, but they, when he wakes up outta bed, I was like, oh. 'cause it starts with him as a child and he's lusting after this girl, and we're like, okay.
[00:24:19] Jason Mantzoukas: He's not lusting. He's in love with her.
[00:24:21] Paul Scheer: Well, she doesn't seem to even talk. Is it a, is it a Halloween birthday party?
[00:24:25] June Diane Raphael: Great question.
[00:24:26] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't know. He's wearing a fireman's hat, but that's just, he.
[00:24:28] Paul Scheer: Everyone else is in costume. The birthday girl is not.
[00:24:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:24:31] June Diane Raphael: I think that was just her wish to see that, see everyone else in a different professional uniform.
[00:24:39] Paul Scheer: And why?
[00:24:40] Jason Mantzoukas: They were shooting composites that day.
[00:24:43] Paul Scheer: Why is this movie told in the style of a comic book?
[00:24:46] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't know, but I was thrilled it was. It made those awkward transitions sing.
[00:24:51] Paul Scheer: I felt that it was a really odd choice because. And I understand that there are, there is a tradition of old, of like maybe horror comic books, but it was an odd choice because there's no horror in the comic book at all. It, the comic book is really just doing transitions. It's like we couldn't afford to shoot it.
[00:25:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Totally.
[00:25:08] Paul Scheer: But we, yeah. So that's odd. So we wake up old man in a bed. We are believing that he's a child, even though he looks the same age as his dad. And then his parents are like, don't cut through that woman's lawn. And I'm like, okay, I'm, I'm in, I'm on board. And then he just doesn't cut through her lawn. Like he destroys it.
[00:25:30] Jason Mantzoukas: He doesn't actually, he destroys her flowerbed.
[00:25:33] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:25:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Which is so much weirder.
[00:25:35] Paul Scheer: Well, yes. And that to me, I was like, oh, great way to not like this character right out the gate.
[00:25:42] Jason Mantzoukas: But see, but the problem is I've already decided to like him.
[00:25:45] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:25:45] Jason Mantzoukas: 'Cause when he opens his closet, there is a juggling game in there. And I was like, this guy's cool as hell.
[00:25:52] Paul Scheer: I was obsessed with that. I was like, what is juggle?
[00:25:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. I love that both of us were like, what's the game Juggle?
[00:25:59] Paul Scheer: And then when they had the reverse shot, I saw the back of juggle game. I was like, oh, there.
[00:26:03] Jason Mantzoukas: And I just immediately paused it because I assumed it said Juggo. And I was like, there's gotta be boobs here. I bet there's, if, I bet if I pause, there's gonna be jugs on this.
[00:26:16] June Diane Raphael: You have to listen. You have to listen and be ready.
[00:26:18] Jason Mantzoukas: I spent like an hour frame by framing the juggle.
[00:26:25] Paul Scheer: So I guess what I, I guess what I'm getting to ultimately is if you don't change a single frame of this movie. Why don't you just start off the character as a likable, shy guy who then gets shot, not because he's set up an elaborate like hoax robbery. Like everything that he does in the beginning sets him up as a creep where I think it would be more endearing if he's just nice.
[00:26:52] Jason Mantzoukas: I think you are right, except that back then we didn't have creeps. Back then. We didn't have creeps. We didn't know this was creep behavior.
[00:27:04] Paul Scheer: Well, right.
[00:27:04] Jason Mantzoukas: This just seemed like you. If you're a guy and you're in love with a girl who's been dating Matthew Fox for six years, they are in high school, what's going on there? Who's had a boyfriend for six years, you have to stage some sort of elaborate, prank, hoax, violent thing in order to get her attention.
[00:27:25] June Diane Raphael: Also found it interesting that math, they didn't make the movie makes so many interesting choices. And one is to not make Matthew Fox a villain, really.
[00:27:35] Paul Scheer: No.
[00:27:35] June Diane Raphael: Like, he seems like a nice guy in the beginning. You know, I, I never had an issue with him. It seems.
[00:27:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Like he's kind of a dick, but not so, so much.
[00:27:44] June Diane Raphael: Is he?
[00:27:44] Paul Scheer: Not like.
[00:27:45] June Diane Raphael: I guess not. No more so than our main character to me.
[00:27:49] Paul Scheer: Well, I mean, the, the dick of the movie is the surprise of the film, Philip Seymour Hoffman.
[00:27:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Or as he's credited, Philip Hoffman.
[00:28:01] June Diane Raphael: Oh really? I didn't see.
[00:28:01] Jason Mantzoukas: No Seymour in the credits.
[00:28:03] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:28:03] June Diane Raphael: Oh, I didn't see that.
[00:28:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, I just saw it at the beginning. Uh, and.
[00:28:06] June Diane Raphael: And I have to say he explodes on the screen.
[00:28:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Incredible. I've never, I, I always, I think I, maybe the first time I ever saw him was.
[00:28:14] June Diane Raphael: Magnolia.
[00:28:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Big Lebowski for me.
[00:28:17] Paul Scheer: Not Scent of a Woman? Because he's playing a similar character. Scent of a Woman is like
[00:28:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, that must have, but I don't even remember.
[00:28:21] Paul Scheer: Okay. Yeah. So I remember, I mean, not that I was registering, but I remember him being like the funny coy ski dude.
[00:28:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, okay.
[00:28:27] Paul Scheer: And I was like, oh wow. What an interesting moment that he, yeah. Like turned. Like, because well just listen and.
[00:28:36] Movie Audio: Punk, what are you doing? What is it?
[00:28:37] Paul Scheer: It's clown work. I mean.
[00:28:39] Movie Audio: I'm so sorry. I'm an idiot.
[00:28:41] Paul Scheer: Like the way he's holding his body, the way he hat.
[00:28:44] June Diane Raphael: Is looking. Look at where his eyes are.
[00:28:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:28:47] Paul Scheer: He looks like a character from Andy Ka and Bazooka Joe. I mean it is.
[00:28:53] June Diane Raphael: Look at his hair coming out of his hat up there.
[00:28:56] Paul Scheer: Yes. Like this is comedia level performance.
[00:29:00] Jason Mantzoukas: And, and, and immediately he is just acting everybody off the screen.
[00:29:07] Paul Scheer: He is denim on denim. And uh, here we go.
[00:29:11] Movie Audio: Well, no kidding, you stand me up and then you don't even call me.
[00:29:14] My car broke down. I had to walk eight miles through the rain to get to a telephone and by the time I got there you were already gone.
[00:29:20] June Diane Raphael: See, I believe that.
[00:29:22] Movie Audio: I would walk on glass and eat donkeys for you.
[00:29:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Look at phil Seymour Hoffman.
[00:29:26] Movie Audio: I can't live knowing that you're not mine. Will you go with a prom with me?
[00:29:34] Of course I will, silly.
[00:29:36] I am sorry too. Let's not fight anymore.
[00:29:39] What's up Dingle?
[00:29:41] See you, Johnny.
[00:29:43] Whatcha looking at?
[00:29:44] Nothing, dirt bag.
[00:29:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, it's a straight line from that to the talented Mr. Ripley. It's incredible.
[00:29:59] June Diane Raphael: Wow.
[00:29:59] Paul Scheer: Truly. Uh, like, I mean, yes.
[00:30:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Sometimes you see it and you're like, oh, there it is. It's right there.
[00:30:04] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:30:04] Jason Mantzoukas: It doesn't matter what it's in service of.
[00:30:07] June Diane Raphael: Yes.
[00:30:07] Jason Mantzoukas: It's just electric to watch.
[00:30:09] Paul Scheer: Thank you, Bob Balaban. Bob Balaban had the eye.
[00:30:12] Jason Mantzoukas: I love that it's Balaban and.
[00:30:14] Paul Scheer: I love Bob Balaban.
[00:30:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Everybody, every adult in the movie is a Balaban level character actor.
[00:30:20] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:30:20] Jason Mantzoukas: It's JO Sanders. It's Richard Gilmore. It's Austin Pendleton. Everybody, all the adults are Cloris Leachman. One scene, one scene with Cloris Leachman and it's electric.
[00:30:33] June Diane Raphael: And his mom, Mary Beth Herp was amazing. Amazing.
[00:30:37] Jason Mantzoukas: The fact that she. The fact that she keeps bringing him a first, a toddler to eat.
[00:30:43] June Diane Raphael: I laughed so hard.
[00:30:44] Jason Mantzoukas: And then a cadaver is so funny.
[00:30:48] Paul Scheer: Well, this is, this movie feels to me like a John Waters version of Teen Wolf. I feel like that's what they're going for.
[00:30:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Paul Dooley, come on.
[00:30:57] Paul Scheer: And this is the thing I can't quite figure out 'cause all the actors seem to be on the same page. He's directing them all. But I feel like, maybe it didn't push far enough. Maybe it did. I don't know.
[00:31:08] Jason Mantzoukas: I loved that nobody questioned it beyond, wait a minute, didn't you die?
[00:31:13] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:31:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. You're here now. And I loved that it didn't slow itself down to try and work it out, that it just was like, let's keep going because the story we're telling is not about this.
[00:31:24] June Diane Raphael: He didn't really question it either, which I thought was interesting. I thought for sure someone's going to, and it's him. I actually, I found it, it fascinating that he became more likable when he was dead.
[00:31:35] Jason Mantzoukas: For sure.
[00:31:35] June Diane Raphael: Like once he had something to contend with and an identity that sort of othered him, he, we had to root for him.
[00:31:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:31:43] Paul Scheer: Well, yeah, I think you're right. And I think that this movie just kind of finds ways to always go in a slightly different direction that you don't need to go into. 'cause like, yes, he comes back from the dead. Now, sure. Would it be interesting to give it the, the smallest amount of explanation? Eh, I wouldn't have minded it, but sure. We don't need it. Uh, especially when that, that grave digger seems to know a lot more than he is letting on.
[00:32:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Murray.
[00:32:03] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:32:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Murray the grave digger.
[00:32:05] Paul Scheer: Would love, would love Murray just to be like, yeah, just gimme one more line of exposition. We're halfway there, but he stops himself from even explaining. He's like, eh, look.
[00:32:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Eh, you'll find out. Eh, you'll find out in the rest of the movie.
[00:32:16] Paul Scheer: So then he goes to the doctor, uh, who was great. The doctor. And the doctor.
[00:32:22] June Diane Raphael: He was so great.
[00:32:23] Paul Scheer: So great.
[00:32:24] June Diane Raphael: So great.
[00:32:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Incredible stuff from Austin Pendleton.
[00:32:26] June Diane Raphael: Austin Penn. I mean, it was really amazing.
[00:32:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. The movie, let's be clear, would be unwatchable. But for the adults making.
[00:32:35] June Diane Raphael: Well, they're all adults, including that toddler.
[00:32:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. True.
[00:32:40] Paul Scheer: Well, and and like And what? This is the got the, but then like he goes to the doctor and he is like, yeah, you gotta go see this old woman Maggie. Like, why? Why are we making another scene for him to go to her for her go, yeah, my husband did it too. And he eats dead. People like just have Austin Pendleton go like you gotta eat dead people.
[00:33:02] Jason Mantzoukas: I'm surprised you. I feel like, yeah, you didn't like this movie.
[00:33:06] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, just come out and say it be so for real right now. So for real.
[00:33:10] Jason Mantzoukas: You're holding it to a stand. It's, is it just because it's so much like Teen Wolf without the tickle my paws moment?
[00:33:16] Paul Scheer: There is never a moment in here where they told me to pause the film and I feel like that, well, I've, these movies owe that to me. It's PG 13. Um, and I expected something. No, and I like, I think like, I guess what I was getting frustrated by was like the over complication of things. It's like, no, no, it's simple. It's easy. Like I don't have any problem with the guys coming out with guns, the mom killing people, him eating a child. But like, why are we like detouring?
[00:33:43] June Diane Raphael: I do think, yes, I, I think that once Austin Pendleton's nurse said, who by the way is his wife who announced, I like almost two hours into the film, just a appeared. I hadn't seen her before. I don't know if she was a character.
[00:33:59] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't think so.
[00:34:00] June Diane Raphael: Appeared as though we knew her and said, you know, we're gonna be making a youth serum. I thought, well, this is definitely.
[00:34:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Make a load of money, shit load of money.
[00:34:09] June Diane Raphael: This is definitely a, just a new plot.
[00:34:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep.
[00:34:11] June Diane Raphael: You know that we're gonna have to cont.
[00:34:12] Paul Scheer: Plastic surgery.
[00:34:13] June Diane Raphael: This late hour.
[00:34:14] Paul Scheer: Like in a movie that's an hour and 25 minutes that comes in about an hour and 15.
[00:34:18] June Diane Raphael: Yes.
[00:34:19] Jason Mantzoukas: You're right.
[00:34:19] Paul Scheer: And you're like, oh. And even, even the end, I rewound it three times when he goes to heaven. What's going on?
[00:34:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, because you were trying to see nudity?
[00:34:27] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Well I thought when, when St. Peter was like, tickle my paws. No, but I like, I was like, you weren't supposed he was supposed to slip on coffee and that like, what?
[00:34:38] I'm lost here. I'm lost.
[00:34:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, you're trying to make sense out of, you're trying to be, you're, you're applying too rigorous, uh, a logic to this.
[00:34:47] Paul Scheer: Well, I'm saying it's like, it's like this movie should be a straight line and like, how about now we put a knot here and you're like, why? Why do I need a knot? Just go to heaven and be like, you know what? You learned your lesson. Go back down. Or I don't need him to go like, oh, he is supposed to slip on a pot of coffee, and then he gets shot. I'm like, okay. I, I, all right.
[00:35:04] June Diane Raphael: But why did that happen? Why? What I still, I guess I didn't get to is what was the mistake exactly?
[00:35:12] Paul Scheer: That he was supposed to slip on the.
[00:35:13] June Diane Raphael: No, I know. Stop saying that. I know. But I know I was supposed to slip in the coffee, but.
[00:35:24] Paul Scheer: You're not going to my Field of Stream magazine, I'll tell you that much.
[00:35:29] June Diane Raphael: Wow. Just became non-choice. But. That, I guess that just felt so random I couldn't accept it. Like I almost wanted Murray to have done something wrong or for him to have, you know, because.
[00:35:48] Paul Scheer: Admit that he set up this entire plan?
[00:35:51] June Diane Raphael: Right. Or because he didn't give her the necklace. That something I, I don't know. There was, there was a better device in there that wasn't used.
[00:36:02] Jason Mantzoukas: The fact that he's wearing the locket when he gets sent back, which stops the bullet, is, I will say insanity. Because if I'm her and takes the bullet and she's like, oh, this stops it. It's a heart shaped locket with a picture of me as a five-year-old in it, I would shoot him. I would say, give me that gun.
[00:36:27] Paul Scheer: It's the only answer.
[00:36:28] Jason Mantzoukas: You shoot this guy.
[00:36:29] June Diane Raphael: But also in the world of the movie that present is locked away in his closet.
[00:36:35] Paul Scheer: Next to Jugs.
[00:36:37] Jason Mantzoukas: But we are to assume because he's gone to heaven and stood trial and they've sent him back that God put that locket on him.
[00:36:46] June Diane Raphael: On him.
[00:36:46] Paul Scheer: And again, and then.
[00:36:49] Jason Mantzoukas: The Christian God
[00:36:52] June Diane Raphael: Obviously.
[00:36:52] Paul Scheer: And then he goes back down.
[00:37:00] Jason Mantzoukas: I said it.
[00:37:03] Paul Scheer: Goes back down to have the final dance. And guess what I want? My Boyfriend's Back dance to My Boyfriend's Back.
[00:37:09] Jason Mantzoukas: I agree.
[00:37:10] Paul Scheer: Nope.
[00:37:12] Jason Mantzoukas: I agree.
[00:37:12] Paul Scheer: Simple choices, that's all.
[00:37:13] Jason Mantzoukas: I agree. In a good, in a slightly better executed version of this movie, there would've been like a band from that era doing a, a ska cover of My Boyfriend's Back.
[00:37:24] Paul Scheer: A hundred percent.
[00:37:24] Jason Mantzoukas: It would be like Fishbone doing My Boyfriend's back.
[00:37:27] Paul Scheer: You're not gonna, you're not gonna get from me. Like I didn't like when the mom threw the peanut butter or the bologna and mustard. Love it. No issue with it. On board, but kind of want some other things in here too. Like isn't that like again.
[00:37:41] June Diane Raphael: I love that they also didn't really grieve for him.
[00:37:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Not at all.
[00:37:45] Paul Scheer: No.
[00:37:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Not at all.
[00:37:47] June Diane Raphael: It was in some ways healing. Just to be like, oh, sometimes grief is not that big of a deal.
[00:37:53] Jason Mantzoukas: And also, and you know what, it felt like they didn't give in to that level of grief. 'cause they knew he was coming back.
[00:38:00] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:38:00] Jason Mantzoukas: They knew that he was probably gonna show up tomorrow, which is when he arrives. They just buried him yesterday. Listen, Paul Dooley's son is killed and Paul Dooley is like, my son's dead.
[00:38:11] Paul Scheer: And, and you're about to eat my, you're about to eat my other son.
[00:38:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:38:15] Paul Scheer: His other son is in there.
[00:38:17] Jason Mantzoukas: When that is revealed to be his other son.
[00:38:20] June Diane Raphael: That is so funny. The one logic issue I had, the one was that he would've started to smell very badly.
[00:38:33] Paul Scheer: Oh yeah.
[00:38:33] Jason Mantzoukas: When she bites his ear and it falls off in her mouth.
[00:38:38] Paul Scheer: Great.
[00:38:38] Jason Mantzoukas: I was like, finally this movie has arrived.
[00:38:43] June Diane Raphael: And by the way, she's.
[00:38:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Unfazed.
[00:38:46] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:38:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Loves it. She's in fact, I think turned on.
[00:38:49] Paul Scheer: She's, she is incredibly turned on by his decomposing body.
[00:38:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. And she pays no attention to him until he's dead. And then she's like, what's your deal?
[00:38:58] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, you're different.
[00:39:00] Jason Mantzoukas: The ultimate bad boy is one that doesn't have a heartbeat. Isn't that the tagline?
[00:39:04] Paul Scheer: Nope. I, um, I was obsessed with this movie that it reminded me of anyone ever see Dead Heat? Great movie. Joe Piscopo gets killed in the line of duty, comes back as a zombie, and his body parts are falling off too. To solve a crime, he is gotta solve a crime.
[00:39:24] Jason Mantzoukas: So that's why you didn't like this movie, because you love this other zombie movie.
[00:39:28] Paul Scheer: Piscopo.
[00:39:30] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't like breaking it down that way. The first syllable.
[00:39:36] Paul Scheer: Piss.
[00:39:36] June Diane Raphael: This is a tough thing about this movie.
[00:39:40] Paul Scheer: Isn't a metaphor.
[00:39:41] June Diane Raphael: I'm actually really mad at you, Paul, because I came in here like loving it, love it.
[00:39:45] And now I'm turning on it and it's not even me.
[00:39:47] Jason Mantzoukas: You can't shake my love.
[00:39:48] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. Good. I need to get back there because I'm getting.
[00:39:51] Paul Scheer: Alright. I'm not, I'm I'm with you.
[00:39:53] June Diane Raphael: But what I will say though is that you are, you we're referring to him as a zombie, but there's never any like mental decay or zombie esque behavior other than of course wanting to eat people, but there's no other sense really of him behaving or, I wanted having any physicality of the zombie.
[00:40:13] Paul Scheer: I wanted him to kill Philips Hoffman. I like Phillips Seymour Hoffman putting an ax in his own head. I'm like. Ah.
[00:40:20] June Diane Raphael: And what did happen there? It was just the weight of it kinda took him back.
[00:40:23] Paul Scheer: He just took it back and it.
[00:40:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, yeah, he hit himself in the back of the head, which made no sense. I feel like that was them not wanting our hero guy to murder, but to be able to eat human flesh.
[00:40:34] Paul Scheer: But the last line of the movie is, I wish I would've killed that guy.
[00:40:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, I know. My. Tough stuff. Um, my understanding of zombies though is that they like do.dot brains, not so much. Not flesh.
[00:40:50] Paul Scheer: He ate, he ate his belly.
[00:40:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, I know. He ate his stomach. They keep saying he ate, he, he ate the stomach. Um, but don't zombies eat brains? Isn't that their whole thing? Brains. Brains, right?
[00:41:00] June Diane Raphael: I don't know that about them.
[00:41:02] Jason Mantzoukas: So I couldn't.
[00:41:05] June Diane Raphael: I don't.
[00:41:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Anyway, um, so that, that was interesting to me. Just mythologically to introduce a new, a new thing that was interesting.
[00:41:14] Paul Scheer: I have a feeling on this. They couldn't introduce brains because they didn't have the effects budget to do brains.
[00:41:20] Jason Mantzoukas: I bet you're right.
[00:41:21] Paul Scheer: Because like when Philip Seymour Hoffman's on the table.
[00:41:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, they don't even even have the effects budget to show him eating flesh.
[00:41:25] Paul Scheer: No. I mean.
[00:41:26] Jason Mantzoukas: It's, he just goes down off camera and comes up with a little, a little bit of blood.
[00:41:29] Paul Scheer: Like he ate a burger with too much ketchup.
[00:41:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, I wrote here, I wrote here, this tone isn't done anymore.
[00:41:35] June Diane Raphael: That's what I'm.
[00:41:36] Jason Mantzoukas: And that's what I want.
[00:41:37] Paul Scheer: It's like Heathers and John Waters and.
[00:41:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, you reminded me of Buffy. Oh, it reminded me of Buffy. Yeah. A world in which.
[00:41:46] Paul Scheer: I love that.
[00:41:47] Jason Mantzoukas: These supernatural elements are not really explored too, too much other than their ability to give us, to let us tell a story, a coming of age story, a whatever.
[00:41:58] Paul Scheer: Sure.
[00:41:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Anyway, you get it. Um, and that's what it reminded me of was.
[00:42:01] Paul Scheer: But I, so that's my other question. What is this a metaphor for?
[00:42:06] Jason Mantzoukas: I think there's both a puberty story in here and then there.
[00:42:10] June Diane Raphael: Puberty? He's 25 years old.
[00:42:14] Jason Mantzoukas: But then there is the story of their, their unholy romance. The idea that everybody is so looking down on them and that she's involved with a, a, um, a zombie. The undead.
[00:42:26] June Diane Raphael: I do think, God, I'm now, I don't like the movie anymore. I'm so mad. Because I think you're, I, now, I don't know what happened tonight, but I think, I think what you're right about is what has he learned? Nothing.
[00:42:40] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:42:40] June Diane Raphael: You know, he has.
[00:42:42] Paul Scheer: What has the town learned?
[00:42:44] June Diane Raphael: I, no, nothing. I, I think that what I wish for him is that he had started off as someone who wasn't willing to try and put himself out there and be brave enough to fail and be vulnerable enough to, you know, tell her how he feels.
[00:43:04] Paul Scheer: But yet the first scene, he is like, you smell good. You smelly smell. Yeah, I know. You know, it's like, it's like, ooh, creepy creep.
[00:43:10] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. And then he does stage this elaborate thing, you know?
[00:43:13] Paul Scheer: Now when I did that to you, did you find that romantic?
[00:43:18] June Diane Raphael: Thought you were a choice man. Choice. Oh my god.
[00:43:26] Paul Scheer: Choice.
[00:43:27] Jason Mantzoukas: I think you really have to decide to be on this movie's wavelength.
[00:43:32] Paul Scheer: I, yes.
[00:43:32] June Diane Raphael: You do. I got there really quickly.
[00:43:34] Jason Mantzoukas: Have to be board for Jo Sanders screaming, you are not taking my daughter to the prom, you stupid dead son of a bitch. Great line.
[00:43:42] June Diane Raphael: And here, by the way, here's the thing about our lead actor, even though the movie and the writing and the story doesn't do him any favors, I did find him to be inherently watchable and like buoyant and likable. And so I do think he carries a storyline that's kind of not there.
[00:44:01] Paul Scheer: I agree. I feel like given the material that he had, he made some choices. I think he is likable. But you're right. He's more likable when he is the zombie, but he hasn't really learned anything because he, when he goes back to school, his friend is his friend. Like, and, and Teen Wolf. The fun thing about Teen Wolf is.
[00:44:21] June Diane Raphael: Here we go.
[00:44:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Tickle my paws.
[00:44:23] June Diane Raphael: Here we go.
[00:44:25] Jason Mantzoukas: We know, we've heard you say it.
[00:44:26] June Diane Raphael: It's that.
[00:44:26] Paul Scheer: It's funny, but it's like the idea being like, here's a nerdy kid. He's not very good in basketball. Uh, you know, he, he, he's, no one pays attention to him. He becomes the wolf and then he is like, you know, break dancing on trucks, scoring a bunch of baskets in the basketball game. The hot girl likes him, you know, and it's like, oh, popularity isn't all it's cracked up to be like, I actually like being with my friends better here. He becomes a zombie, keeps the same friends, and then the girl that he likes. Is this kind of like into like dead bodies? Like she's into the necrophilia.
[00:45:00] June Diane Raphael: I know, I think you're right actually. Because he says there's that moment where he says like, I don't just like you 'cause you're popular. I don't just like you 'cause you're pretty, I'm like, well that's all I see. Like, I don't know why you like her, actually.
[00:45:11] Paul Scheer: No, no reason.
[00:45:12] June Diane Raphael: I know.
[00:45:13] Jason Mantzoukas: He likes her for the five-year-old within.
[00:45:16] June Diane Raphael: I don't like that.
[00:45:18] Jason Mantzoukas: It's a real rollercoaster for this audience.
[00:45:20] Paul Scheer: Put on a shirt. Put it on a shirt. Alright, let's go to the audience. Let's see what the audience has to say. Um, there we go. I'm gonna, alright, so I know there's a lot of interesting things to talk about in this movie. We've, uh, broached a handful, but there are other things left to be said. Hi, what's your name?
[00:45:35] Audience Member: Nick.
[00:45:35] Paul Scheer: Nick. What's her question?
[00:45:37] Audience Member: I guess going off what you were just saying, since she wasn't into it until after, uh, he died and the death is sort of a stand in for like an otherism. Is she like fetishizing him for his identity at all?
[00:45:49] Paul Scheer: Well, I mean, that's what I was thinking too. It's like, ooh.
[00:45:51] June Diane Raphael: She just straight up likes the smell of dead skin.
[00:45:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:45:56] June Diane Raphael: I think it's as simple as that.
[00:45:58] Jason Mantzoukas: I think she wants to fuck him until his dick falls off.
[00:46:00] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:46:01] Jason Mantzoukas: I think she wants to. I think she wants that. I do. I think she's like, I think she's kind of like previous to, he's just Johnny Dingle. Who cares? And then she's like, have you seen Johnny Dingle since he died? He's smoking.
[00:46:16] Paul Scheer: I will say that the dick falling off scene and the sex judging scene.
[00:46:22] Jason Mantzoukas: The dream sequences.
[00:46:23] Paul Scheer: The dream sequence. Both disturbed me.
[00:46:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:46:26] Paul Scheer: Like I got it from a comedic standpoint, but I was just like, ugh. Too much like watching him crawl all over her in those like little heart shorts is like, man.
[00:46:34] Jason Mantzoukas: By the way, I wrote that too. There was something about this era in which in, in all of film, young teenage boys were always represented as having boxer shorts with hearts on them.
[00:46:47] Paul Scheer: Yeah, I had those.
[00:46:48] Jason Mantzoukas: You had them?
[00:46:49] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:46:49] Jason Mantzoukas: I was gonna say, I've never even seen that.
[00:46:53] Paul Scheer: I had a real issue with my boxer shorts 'cause they were so hard to get in my jeans. I had to really push 'em down.
[00:46:59] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh wow. I didn't even, I wasn't even allowed to have boxer shorts.
[00:47:01] Paul Scheer: Oh really?
[00:47:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh no. I was tighty whitey all day.
[00:47:04] Paul Scheer: Once.
[00:47:05] June Diane Raphael: Wow.
[00:47:05] Jason Mantzoukas: In like teenage years. Once also, boxers weren't popular exactly, until a little bit later.
[00:47:10] Paul Scheer: Well, once Bill Clinton said he wore boxers.
[00:47:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.
[00:47:13] Paul Scheer: I was all in.
[00:47:14] June Diane Raphael: That was it.
[00:47:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Now. Did, did he say that? And then you paused it and were like, wait a minute.
[00:47:21] Paul Scheer: And then I saw him wi I had that device. I saw him waist down in a pair of boxes. Look great. Uh, heart Boxers. Um, hi. What's your name?
[00:47:29] Audience Member: Sam.
[00:47:30] Paul Scheer: Sam. What's, uh, what's your question?
[00:47:32] Audience Member: Maybe I missed it in the prom scene at the very end when he comes back to life, did Philip Seymour Hoffman not come back?
[00:47:38] Paul Scheer: So he is alluded to as being alive.
[00:47:42] Jason Mantzoukas: What?
[00:47:42] June Diane Raphael: I'm sorry.
[00:47:44] Paul Scheer: Like it is Philip Seymour Hoffman dead in this alternate reality?
[00:47:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, what? Oh, oh, oh. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm, yes, he must be alive.
[00:47:50] Paul Scheer: Because he doesn't say goes.
[00:47:52] June Diane Raphael: Didn't see him in there.
[00:47:52] Paul Scheer: He says in the, the voiceover, like, the only thing I wish is that I killed Buster, whatever his name was.
[00:47:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Buck, which is Matthew Fox.
[00:47:59] Paul Scheer: Oh.
[00:48:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Buck is Matthew Fox. No. So it's because.
[00:48:02] Audience Member: I was wondering where he was. He wasn't in the background.
[00:48:05] Jason Mantzoukas: You're right. He wasn't in the, in the scene. But if we do, if they, if he sees, uh, St. Peter and they gets sent back to the robbery scene, then nothing after the robbery scene has taken place, he goes back to the beginning. Right?
[00:48:19] Paul Scheer: Well, who knows this God's.
[00:48:21] Jason Mantzoukas: What do you mean who knows?
[00:48:22] Paul Scheer: This God.
[00:48:23] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't think you can say who knows. We know. We watched it.
[00:48:26] June Diane Raphael: Well, we weren't with Matthew Fox or Philip Seymour Hoffman that night. We don't know what.
[00:48:32] Jason Mantzoukas: But they might have happened. They died that night. But the events of the, the events of. Don't gaslight me on stage, Hey, hey, hey, hey.
[00:48:37] June Diane Raphael: I don't know. Hey, do your research.
[00:48:38] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't like both of you teaming up to gaslight me. ,
[00:48:40] Paul Scheer: Didn't he say at one point when he was in front of St. Peter, like, oh, and I didn't mean to kill Buck. Didn't he say that?
[00:48:48] June Diane Raphael: He said didn't mean to eat him.
[00:48:50] Jason Mantzoukas: He does say he wish he killed Buck. Meaning.
[00:48:53] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:48:53] Jason Mantzoukas: When his, when his buddy says, I know what you should do, you should, when Buck comes to pick her up for the prom.
[00:49:00] June Diane Raphael: Oh, that's right.
[00:49:00] Jason Mantzoukas: You should kill and eat him. Wear his suit and take her to the prom. He doesn't do that. Good plan. And later in the movie he says, I wish I'd done that plan. Right?
[00:49:09] June Diane Raphael: Well, that's crazy. That's concerning.
[00:49:13] Paul Scheer: He's a creep. He's a creep. Hi, what's your name? What's your question?
[00:49:16] Audience Member: Hi, I'm Jessica. Um, to June's point of Matthew Fox's Buck, you are saying he's not a villain and it's true because, what it seems to me is this girl who's supposed to be the sweetest, loveliest, most beautiful, popular girl in the school that's nice to everybody, is essentially now cheating on her boyfriend who has done nothing wrong.
[00:49:35] In fact, she agreed to go to the prom with him. He came and like did this grand gesture. They apologized to each other and he had, his friend's an asshole. But he hasn't done anything wrong, right?
[00:49:46] Paul Scheer: And there's nothing to should say that he lied about not showing up for her.
[00:49:50] June Diane Raphael: And I also do believe his car broke down and he had to walk.
[00:49:53] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't believe that for a second. Here's what, I don't believe anything coming out the mouth of anyone wearing a Letterman jacket. If you are wearing a Letterman jacket in a teen movie in 1987, facts, you're a villain.
[00:50:09] June Diane Raphael: But that's why I was confused because I didn't have any of those feelings for Matt.
[00:50:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Believe and I do believe men always, I agree with, June on that.
[00:50:18] Paul Scheer: That's a shirt.
[00:50:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Believe men? Believe men on the back tickle my paws.
[00:50:31] June Diane Raphael: God.
[00:50:31] Paul Scheer: Um, what's your name? What's your question?
[00:50:34] Audience Member: Hi, my name's Anthony. Um, I just wanted to ask more about the mom and the plates with the dog. I don't know how many people notice that. The bit running in that. Okay.
[00:50:42] Paul Scheer: Tell us the bit because I don't think we did.
[00:50:44] Audience Member: Okay. The first time the mom is serving breakfast, the dog just snatches all the food off the plate.
[00:50:49] June Diane Raphael: Right. Takes all the eggs.
[00:50:51] Audience Member: Oh, that's the second time. The first time.
[00:50:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. June.
[00:50:54] Audience Member: Sorry. June.
[00:50:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Hey, June. That's the second time.
[00:50:57] June Diane Raphael: Hey, I believe men.
[00:50:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Hey, let's believe this man.
[00:50:59] June Diane Raphael: Go on.
[00:51:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow. This guy's fi.
[00:51:01] June Diane Raphael: I believe him.
[00:51:02] Jason Mantzoukas: This guy's fired up.
[00:51:03] Audience Member: I just want to say sorry to June. Sorry.
[00:51:05] Jason Mantzoukas: June, do you feel safe?
[00:51:06] Paul Scheer: What was the first time?
[00:51:07] Audience Member: It's like, it looks like bagels or toast, but the dog just takes the mom's like, all right. And sets the plate.
[00:51:11] Paul Scheer: Okay, so the dog is eating all the food. It's a funny bit. I, I laughed at the eggs. I didn't see the first one. Thoughts?
[00:51:18] June Diane Raphael: Well, I do, well, I do think that it's leading to what we, what ends up happening, which is the dog takes the, you know, the body and pulls it from the fridge. I think what we're setting up is that this dog will eat anything, anywhere, anytime, any day.
[00:51:35] Jason Mantzoukas: And I love it. And that's the rich text that is this movie.
[00:51:39] June Diane Raphael: Yes.
[00:51:40] Jason Mantzoukas: There are things happening.
[00:51:41] June Diane Raphael: You listen to what the movie's telling you.
[00:51:43] Jason Mantzoukas: There are things happening that we didn't even pick up on, that it takes a man in the audience to illustrate.
[00:51:50] Paul Scheer: Thank you. Finally, a man asking questions.
[00:51:53] Jason Mantzoukas: And explain it as only a man can. By barking it at us.
[00:51:58] June Diane Raphael: Here's what I wish, 'cause some, some of these movies of this time, although I guess we don't know what time it was after all. 93.
[00:52:05] Paul Scheer: Well we do know what time it was.
[00:52:07] June Diane Raphael: But here's the thing, my, here's my question about 93. Was this movie made in 93 though as a period film to feel like 87?
[00:52:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh.
[00:52:17] Paul Scheer: No.
[00:52:18] June Diane Raphael: Ah, God. Damnit.
[00:52:20] Jason Mantzoukas: It's crazy. I agree.
[00:52:21] June Diane Raphael: 'Cause what's important to me about movies, well the movies I saw when I was 13 and Pretty in Pink, a lot of Molly Ringwald, like what was important to me about those women was that they were. I wanted him to let go of her as an idea.
[00:52:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Wouldn't that be great?
[00:52:37] June Diane Raphael: And a concept and find, like when I saw him sitting next to that girl and staring at her arms in the library, I thought, well, who's she?
[00:52:46] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean, he's looking at her because he wants to eat her.
[00:52:49] June Diane Raphael: No, he wants, wants.
[00:52:50] Jason Mantzoukas: To cho chomp, chomp down on those arms.
[00:52:52] June Diane Raphael: But that was a very important narrative to me to like, see,
[00:52:55] Paul Scheer: I thought that she had a strong sense of self.
[00:52:57] June Diane Raphael: This girl, I'm sorry?
[00:52:59] Paul Scheer: I thought she had a strong sense of self.
[00:53:01] Jason Mantzoukas: I.
[00:53:03] Paul Scheer: The library girl.
[00:53:04] Jason Mantzoukas: The girl in the library?
[00:53:04] June Diane Raphael: Just because she didn't allow him to eat her.
[00:53:07] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:53:07] June Diane Raphael: Wow.
[00:53:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. Now that's interesting. Expand on that.
[00:53:13] Paul Scheer: She just was like, Hey, back off man. Like, you know, and I felt like she just held her, you know? She wasn't like, I'm a nerd, you can eat me. Like that's like.
[00:53:22] June Diane Raphael: No, I guess she wasn't.
[00:53:23] Jason Mantzoukas: The only, my only, the only flaw I see with the movie is that I don't even understand what he's still doing at school.
[00:53:29] June Diane Raphael: I don't either, but.
[00:53:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Let's be clear. If I'm dead, I am not going to school.
[00:53:34] Paul Scheer: It seems like he just wants to go hang out with that girl.
[00:53:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. And find her elsewhere.
[00:53:38] June Diane Raphael: I guess what I'm saying is that I felt like the late, there were movies that that let go of the idea of the hot girl who had nothing else to offer but being hot and popular. And I thought by 93 we had done our time with that and that's what's. Wrestling with.
[00:53:57] Jason Mantzoukas: The idea that I'm in college when this movie comes out is stone cold chilling.
[00:54:01] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. And I was, I was 13. I'm a lot younger. Go on Paul, next person.
[00:54:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.
[00:54:08] June Diane Raphael: I was just, just getting my period.
[00:54:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Savage flex from a choice woman.
[00:54:14] Paul Scheer: Uh, well now no one brought up this fact and I'm surprised LA. Now you might, you might wanna say brace yourself. Sorry. You might not wanna say it. I'm going to say to you, brace yourself.
[00:54:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, so who's saying brace yourself?
[00:54:31] Paul Scheer: I'm saying.
[00:54:33] Jason Mantzoukas: I just wanna be clear, just so as we're cutting it together. So who do you want to say brace yourself and when?
[00:54:40] June Diane Raphael: Because for us to say brace yourself.
[00:54:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Brace yourself.
[00:54:43] June Diane Raphael: We don't, we don't know to.
[00:54:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Well, on a, a second, hang on a second. So you guys go, 3, 2, 1,
[00:54:49] Entire Audience: Brace yourself.
[00:54:51] Paul Scheer: No, I have to say to you, no, I have to say to you, not you're, you're not presenting to me. I'm presenting to you. Brace yourself. We're gonna go on a little bit of a.
[00:55:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait. Let's do one thing. Will we just do it? You guys on three.
[00:55:03] Just say you brace yourself. 1, 2, 3.
[00:55:06] Entire Audience: You brace yourself.
[00:55:08] Paul Scheer: No, you brace yourself. Okay.
[00:55:15] Entire Audience: You brace yourself.
[00:55:17] Paul Scheer: No! You brace yourself.
[00:55:22] Entire Audience: You brace yourself!
[00:55:23] Paul Scheer: Listen to me right now. You better brace yourself because.
[00:55:30] Entire Audience: You brace yourself.
[00:55:31] Paul Scheer: I'll not, I will not do it.
[00:55:33] Entire Audience: You brace yourself.
[00:55:34] Paul Scheer: You know what? I will, I'll brace myself.
[00:55:37] Jason Mantzoukas: You did it!
[00:55:40] June Diane Raphael: Wow.
[00:55:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow. This is a, by the way, you guys got a good one.
[00:55:49] June Diane Raphael: Oh God.
[00:55:50] Paul Scheer: Um, people have asked what if, what happened to the lead actress in this movie? Traci Lind, I'm gonna tell you.
[00:55:58] June Diane Raphael: Oh God.
[00:55:59] Paul Scheer: Brace yourself.
[00:55:59] June Diane Raphael: I am I am actually, I am bracing myself.
[00:56:03] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:56:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Traci Lind?
[00:56:04] Paul Scheer: This is the actress in the movie The, in 1997, Lind went public with accusations of physical abuse regarding her boyfriend. Doty Fayed. She claimed that they were physical with each other, and he threatened her with a nine millimeter Beretta when she rejected his proposal. Two weeks later, Doty died in a car accident with his new partner, princess Diana.
[00:56:32] Entire Audience: You brace yourself!
[00:56:36] June Diane Raphael: I couldn't, honestly, I didn't brace myself enough with all that. I didn't, I didn't.
[00:56:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Consider me braced. Wow.
[00:56:49] June Diane Raphael: Wait.
[00:56:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.
[00:56:51] Paul Scheer: And then I, the, the final part is after his passing, Lind retired from acting stating I'm an intensely private person, so this whole acting thing was just the wrong path for me.
[00:57:03] June Diane Raphael: Lights. Like I, we gotta go. I have to go.
[00:57:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Show's over. Tick. Tickle my paws. How do you come back from? Wow. I'm just, I just, I can't wrap my head around this.
[00:57:20] Paul Scheer: It's a, it's a, it's a, it definitely.
[00:57:22] June Diane Raphael: In a million years, I couldn't have come up with that.
[00:57:26] Paul Scheer: Didn't think you could.
[00:57:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Who played her in the Princess Diana movie that we did?
[00:57:30] June Diane Raphael: Just go over the timeline with me.
[00:57:32] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:57:32] June Diane Raphael: So, so she's engaged in him.
[00:57:34] Paul Scheer: So this movie is made in 93, in 97.
[00:57:37] June Diane Raphael: I'm 13. Jason's in college. Go on.
[00:57:39] Paul Scheer: Yes. In 97.
[00:57:41] June Diane Raphael: And then what happens?
[00:57:42] Paul Scheer: In 97, she is dating Dodi Fayed. She goes out and says, Hey, this guy's been abusive to me. Um.
[00:57:49] June Diane Raphael: In 97, she's saying these things, she's dating him?
[00:57:53] Paul Scheer: And then two weeks after.
[00:57:54] June Diane Raphael: That guy dies in 98. Right?
[00:57:56] Paul Scheer: So two weeks, two weeks after she went public. Dodi died in a car accident with his new partner, Princess Diana.
[00:58:03] June Diane Raphael: This changes everything.
[00:58:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.
[00:58:09] Paul Scheer: Oh, there's a little more. Okay, hold on. Who said that? You did? Oh wow. I knew you had it. Alright. Alright, great.
[00:58:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Get that guy outta here. I say that. I do that bit.
[00:58:24] Paul Scheer: What do we got?
[00:58:26] Audience Member: So when Chuck, uh, Philip Seymour Hoffman is chasing, uh, Johnny with a baseball bat, Eddie comes out and he's reading a Time magazine or People magazine. And Princess d and Charles' divorce is on the magazine.
[00:58:40] Jason Mantzoukas: So, okay. But that's just pure coincidence, right?
[00:58:43] Audience Member: No. Here, here's my theory. Here's my theory. Dodi was having trouble in his relationship with Traci. Was watching this movie. And saw that Di was on that cover, single ready to mingle and then she dies.
[00:58:56] June Diane Raphael: Wait, do we know though for sure that Dodi and Traci were dating during the film?
[00:59:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. Was that during this period? Do we know that?
[00:59:02] Audience Member: Oh no. I think he was just rewatching it, trying to re.
[00:59:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh. Oh, oh.
[00:59:06] Audience Member: Yeah.
[00:59:06] Jason Mantzoukas: You think, do you think he was watching it for the pod?
[00:59:10] Audience Member: What, what I'm saying is, is.
[00:59:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Knowing that in the future we would cover it.
[00:59:15] Audience Member: Could be.
[00:59:15] June Diane Raphael: I thought you said paws. I genuinely thought you said paws and I was like.
[00:59:19] Paul Scheer: Pause the episode right now. To see Jason naked.
[00:59:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Uh, and if you're listening to the podcast, do pause. Do pause during the pod because there is nudity.
[00:59:33] June Diane Raphael: You might
[00:59:34] Paul Scheer: I wanna, I wanna agree with this story and say. They're dating and he is like, well, what do you do? And she's like, I'm an actress. And she's like, well, what have you been in? She's like, My Boyfriend's Back. Let's watch it. Then sees that magazine gets that idea and then we move on to this timeline.
[00:59:48] Jason Mantzoukas: How many years later is that though? Like what?
[00:59:50] Paul Scheer: Three years later.
[00:59:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, oh, okay, okay.
[00:59:52] Paul Scheer: Three, four years later.
[00:59:53] Jason Mantzoukas: I see, I see. I see.
[00:59:54] June Diane Raphael: Wow.
[00:59:55] Paul Scheer: You know by the time it's on home video.
[00:59:56] Jason Mantzoukas: This has been maybe the biggest bombshell since Katherine Hegel replaced Meghan Markle in.
[01:00:07] Paul Scheer: Oh, yeah.
[01:00:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Suits. Was that it? Was that it?
[01:00:11] June Diane Raphael: I don't think she replaced, I think we were just figuring out how many members of the royal family were in suits or connected to suits.
[01:00:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Some, there was some reveal that I remember that yet similarly, I feel like threw me entirely off track for days.
[01:00:25] Paul Scheer: Well, I mean, a couple things that, I mean, I can get you back to some stuff and say that the movie was originally offered to Peter Jackson. He turned it down. Um, and then, um. And then they gave it to another guy, uh, Adam Marcus.
[01:00:41] But then Disney was like, he's too young. And so he went on to go make Jason Goes to Hell the Final Friday, and then they bring him Bob Balaban, but they kind of dangle the script in front of Bob Balaban, uh, for months. And then they go, finally, go shoot this thing. Give him two weeks notice to shoot the movie.
[01:00:56] Jason Mantzoukas: And he nailed it.
[01:00:58] Paul Scheer: He did. Yes. Maybe it should be Bob. Uh, you know how they have those shirts, like an al uh, a film by Albert Brooks, or, you know, a film It should be like A film by Bob Balaban. Should make that, that.
[01:01:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, I lo. I would love, by the way. I would love it.
[01:01:11] Paul Scheer: Okay, so.
[01:01:12] June Diane Raphael: Oh man.
[01:01:13] Paul Scheer: As we digest,
[01:01:15] June Diane Raphael: I, I, I don't, I'm not recovered. I'm.
[01:01:19] Jason Mantzoukas: This, are we, are we true? True. Let me ask a real question. Are we okay? Are we?
[01:01:26] June Diane Raphael: No.
[01:01:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Are we safe?
[01:01:29] June Diane Raphael: No.
[01:01:30] Paul Scheer: Alright. Obviously we have opinions about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It's now time for Second Opinions.
[01:01:40] Audience Member: Hi, I'm Kelsey.
[01:01:43] My Boyfriend's Back. But wait, he's not my boyfriend. Hala Hala. He's not my boyfriend. He's kind of obsessed and never had the balls to talk to me. Hala Hala. I'm with Matthew Fox. He dove in front a bullet for me. Hala Hala, sure, I'll go to prom. I never expected him to come back from the grave. Hala Hala, he's kind of cute. He's starting to rot and we're making out in his car. Hala, Hey. Oh, his ear fell off. Hey, that's kind of the whole plot. Hey, there's Phillip Seymour Hoff. After all the high Jinx, and he makes it to the prom. He goes right to the the after life. Johnny finds out that he should have never died, so they sent him back to the start. We're back at the beginning with the botch robbery, Hala. Hey, I'm almost done.
[01:02:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Almost?! This is a recap, madam.
[01:03:03] Audience Member: Hey, I'm giving it five stars. Hey, the mom was the best part. My time was fun and it was a silly ride. Hey, how did this get made?
[01:03:17] Paul Scheer: Great, great job.
[01:03:24] Jason Mantzoukas: That was good because it, it reminded me of a lot of, if not all of the plot.
[01:03:29] Paul Scheer: Yeah, it was great. Good refresher at the end of the show. Um, there are 1,250, uh, reviews of this film. 82% are five star. Now, I will tell you this much. There's a review here. I will not read it in full, but I need to give you just a taste of it.
[01:03:46] It is from Dr. Jacques Culardeaux, uh, from uh, July 7th, 2012. I'm gonna read a middle paragraph and the last paragraph. Okay.
[01:03:58] "School teachers and other school personnel are just what they are. A school of cold fish that stink high heavens like rotting salmon in a polluted river. And I will not say what happens to the trout in the lake. Dead fish can also be zombies, but then do they not have fishbone in their bodies? Rather perambulating decaying radiations, like in nuclear radiations, don't touch it burns."
[01:04:25] Now that's the middle paragraph. It goes on and I'll read the final paragraph.
[01:04:32] "The film is funny. Though, of course, not as funny as Michael Jackson's rewriting of The Night of the Living Dead. It is true here that we have the prom of the living dead mixing with the dead living. That sounds more romantic than terrifying, but it is horrifyingly gross times and Shakespearean at others. They even have the balcony scene of Romeo and Juliet revisited for young zombies with decaying muscles. I wonder where the three weird sisters are. Ah, ha ha, ha ha. Three times of course. Five stars, it takes the delirium, trimmings of the dead."
[01:05:11] So if you want to read the nine paragraph review, we'll put that up on the website.
[01:05:17] Jason Mantzoukas: And, and my understanding is that's what you do in auditions. You read.
[01:05:21] Paul Scheer: Yes, I read that now.
[01:05:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Just do that, that review.
[01:05:23] Paul Scheer: I read all these things in here. Yeah. It says Poor Dingle was a dongle in his life and as a zombie. Yeah. It's, it's, yeah, it's good.
[01:05:29] Jason Mantzoukas: But that does, that does suggest, uh, that, and I'm shocked none of us have brought it up. Thriller being another kind of zombie.
[01:05:37] Paul Scheer: Ooh, yeah.
[01:05:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Uh, uh, romantic zombie, uh, uh, of course dancing that this movie did not have. But like, that's another very totemic zombie portrayal in this era in 1987.
[01:05:48] Paul Scheer: Then Jay Borland in 2001 writes,
[01:05:51] "Well, first of all wassup, I love this movie with a passion, and I've seen it at least 40 times, but last night I rented it for the 41st and I noticed something I never noticed before. The name of the song they danced to at the end of the movie, I had my clothes captioning running, and all of a sudden it pops up. Hanging on for Dear Life by MMC. Now, I was thinking that MMC stood for Mickey Mouse Club, but I don't think in this case it does also comment to other Amazon reviewers. I know too much more than anybody about movies and music, but if you wanna know the name of a song or something and you got to leave your email address in the review so people can write you back, well, peace and love and chicken grease. Bye bye. Bye Bye bye."
[01:06:54] And again, I would argue that these reviews.
[01:06:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, what just happened at the end?
[01:06:58] Paul Scheer: Don't know.
[01:06:59] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, do you think? Think that, bye Bye bye. Was like, uh, Backstreet Boys. Well, wait, who sang Bye Bye Bye.
[01:07:05] June Diane Raphael: N-Sync
[01:07:05] Paul Scheer: N-Sync. He did.
[01:07:08] June Diane Raphael: You gotta email him.
[01:07:10] Paul Scheer: He did leave his email address in the review so you could be like, well, what is MMC like, I guess he was asking you to like say like, I'm not gonna tell you here, I'm not gonna tell you what MMC is.
[01:07:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Let's, let's take this offline.
[01:07:23] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Um, and, and you know, every now and then we do one star reviews. One star reviews, first opinions. These are people who don't like the film, and I wanted to call out this one, um, written by Shelly.
[01:07:38] "This movie would be fine if they didn't use the Lord's name in vain. A total waste of money if you're like me and find that very offensive. We don't watch anything with foul spelled FOWL language. We don't watch anything with foul language or GD in it. One star. Disappointed."
[01:08:07] Does no issue with the resurrection of a non Christlike figure.
[01:08:13] Jason Mantzoukas: But, really has a problem with them using Christian God's name.
[01:08:20] Paul Scheer: I also have to agree. Well, we know we all recommend it.
[01:08:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Although I feel like you are a No.
[01:08:26] Paul Scheer: I'm a, I'm a yes. I'm a yes.
[01:08:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.
[01:08:29] Paul Scheer: But I was like, I would love a simpler pass on it. Like I just would love it to be streamlined a little bit like a nerdy kid who realizes something. Here, he realizes nothing. He gains nothing. When he goes back and asks her out, he's still asking her out with like, he saved her life. So she's like, oh yeah, I'm indebted to you. But the only reason why she's impressed is like, wow, he saved my life. I feel like you need to have something more to build a relationship on.
[01:08:57] Jason Mantzoukas: It's not much of a hero's journey. I agree.
[01:08:59] Paul Scheer: No.
[01:08:59] June Diane Raphael: I mean all that's true, but. It's so much fun. I mean, this movie to me was just good old fashioned fun and I do appreciate a comedy that's gonna take, take a strong comedic premise point of view and just play it out beat by beat. We don't make those types of movies anymore. And despite your concerns, I really wish, I wish we did. I really like.
[01:09:28] Jason Mantzoukas: I agree.
[01:09:29] June Diane Raphael: I watched this and I was like, uh, I'm craving. This kind of dumb, everybody's committed, everybody's on the same page, everybody knows what the game is and we're all just like continuing to build it out. I really miss these movies and I really enjoyed it.
[01:09:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Agree.
[01:09:47] Paul Scheer: Alright.
[01:09:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Agree wholeheartedly. This movie is a home run for me. And the idea that this is not like that kids don't have a this to watch.
[01:09:58] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[01:09:58] Jason Mantzoukas: And maybe they do and I just don't know what it's called. And it's what it would be. It's on YouTube and everybody farts into a can and everybody's like, you smelt it. Um, I don't know.
[01:10:07] Paul Scheer: I like that one.
[01:10:08] Jason Mantzoukas: But, um, but this to me is, boy, what a blast.
[01:10:11] June Diane Raphael: It's like, why does comedy have to be so real now? Boring.
[01:10:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. Well, Yes, I agree completely. This, to me.
[01:10:17] Paul Scheer: Dramedy has killed comedy.
[01:10:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah.
[01:10:19] June Diane Raphael: For real.
[01:10:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[01:10:20] Paul Scheer: It has.
[01:10:20] Jason Mantzoukas: It's true. And I, I miss these movies. I miss these movies from the, the John Hughes-y versions of these, to the Teen wolves to this, to, to the B movie, like this version of it.
[01:10:30] Paul Scheer: Like Dead Heat.
[01:10:31] Jason Mantzoukas: This is. I will watch Dead. Let's do Dead Heat.
[01:10:33] Paul Scheer: I would like to do Dead Heat.
[01:10:34] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, put it on, put it on the docket. We absolutely should do it because that's this.
[01:10:38] Paul Scheer: Treat Williams, Joe Piscopo.
[01:10:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Comedy legends. Maybe let's not do Dead Heat.
[01:10:45] Paul Scheer: I I actually think that Treat Williams is the one who's the zombie. Right?
[01:10:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Don't scold me.
[01:10:49] Paul Scheer: Sorry. Prepare yourself. Brace yourself.
[01:10:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Brace yourself.
[01:10:54] Paul Scheer: Um, yeah. No, I, I.
[01:10:56] Entire Audience: Brace yourself.
[01:10:57] Paul Scheer: You brace yourself.
[01:10:59] Entire Audience: You brace yourself.
[01:11:00] Paul Scheer: Okay, fine.
[01:11:03] Jason Mantzoukas: I recommend it a hundred percent. This was, and, and I will say this, Paul, your criticisms, though they may be valid, I did not, it didn't interrupt me from enjoying this movie at all. Full stop.
[01:11:16] Paul Scheer: And that's where I'll say, while I had criticisms, I enjoyed the movie. Yeah. And I enjoyed what it did.
[01:11:22] June Diane Raphael: I know you did.
[01:11:24] Jason Mantzoukas: What'd you say?
[01:11:25] June Diane Raphael: I said I know you did.
[01:11:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah. Oh yeah. The only way the movie could be better would be, um, nudity.
[01:11:34] Paul Scheer: Well, we just gotta figure out when they're telling us to pause it.
[01:11:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. And it would've been great if like, when his dick falls off and rolls down his, his pajama pants, if it fell out and we saw it. We all wanna know what Dingles dangling. We all wanna know what.
[01:11:52] Paul Scheer: Dingles dangled tickle my paw. Uh, what do we want this shirt to be? A filmed by Bob Balaban. We want it to be a Tickle my paws? Listen to men?
[01:12:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Brian Orlando, Brian Orlando. Holy shit.
[01:12:05] Paul Scheer: Brian Orlando.
[01:12:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Holy shit.
[01:12:07] Paul Scheer: Brian Orlando Electronics. And it's a, it's a Brian Orlando Electronics. That's it. That, yeah. Uh, I think we could do Brian Orlando Electronics. Right?
[01:12:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Are we gonna get? Okay.
[01:12:20] June Diane Raphael: I don't, I'm not worried about getting sued by Brian Orlando.
[01:12:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.
[01:12:24] June Diane Raphael: Come after me.
[01:12:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. Every, everybody that Paul went to grade school with is dead anyway.
[01:12:29] Paul Scheer: Yeah. They all died in that mysterious gas leak. Um, alright, uh, that's our show.
[01:12:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Holy shit. I just wanna say T to B. This episode has been unhinged.
[01:12:44] Paul Scheer: So great. So great.
[01:12:47] Jason Mantzoukas: And well done. You guys were, you guys were part of a great episode.
[01:12:55] Paul Scheer: What a fun one.
[01:12:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Every. This was. This was unreal. And I only feel bad for the people that watched Ghosts of Mars last night.
[01:13:04] Paul Scheer: That's sometimes. That's the hand you're dealt.
[01:13:05] Jason Mantzoukas: True dog shit movie.
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