Clive Owen and Monica Bellucci have a mid-intercourse gunfight in the 2007 action-comedy Shoot 'Em Up—a movie picked by YOU the fans! Paul, June, and Jason discuss Paul Giamatti's wonderfully creepy performance as the villain, if a lactation fetish is the least-desirable kink, the brothel with oddly themed rooms, Clive Owen's endless supply of carrots, and so much more. But first, Paul chronicles the discord movie vote controversy to explain why the Bellucc is loose instead of the Tucc!
Clive Owen and Monica Bellucci have a mid-intercourse gunfight in the 2007 action-comedy Shoot 'Em Up—a movie picked by YOU the fans! Paul, June, and Jason discuss Paul Giamatti's wonderfully creepy performance as the villain, if a lactation fetish is the least-desirable kink, the brothel with oddly themed rooms, Clive Owen's endless supply of carrots, and so much more. But first, Paul chronicles the discord movie vote controversy to explain why the Bellucc is loose instead of the Tucc!
[00:00:00] Paul Scheer: Eh, what's up glock? We saw Shoot 'Em Up, so you know what that means.
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[00:00:10] Paul Scheer: Hello people of Earth, and welcome to How Did This Get Made?
[00:00:13] Uh, where we deconstruct bad movies normally picked by us, but today picked by you. That's right. The listeners voted and they decided that we would talk about a movie that I think is criminally underrated from 2007. A film called Shoot 'Em Up about a man named Mr. Smith, who delivers a woman's baby during a shootout and then is called upon to protect the newborn from an army of gunman.
[00:00:38] I mean, that is the plot. This movie is insane and I love it. And we're gonna break it all down here today with my two cohosts. Please welcome Jason Mantzoukas and June Diane Raphael. How are you both?
[00:00:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow. I mean, incredible.
[00:00:52] June Diane Raphael: Yes. Yeah, actually knowing that this was picked from the Discord, um, the elusive discord. I don't even know where the discord is, to be quite honest.
[00:01:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Who knows?
[00:01:03] June Diane Raphael: But knowing who knows where the discord lives, but knowing this picture from the Discord, I'm like, this is a, this is a gift for us.
[00:01:10] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:01:10] June Diane Raphael: From the community.
[00:01:11] Jason Mantzoukas: By the way, this is the first time I'll say that the Discord has done something right. You know?
[00:01:17] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:01:18] Jason Mantzoukas: I feel like every other time I've heard about the Discord, it is it's to say disconnect the discord, which I still believe I say shut it down for, but, but in this instance, and maybe forever, in this single instance of, you know, a a a clock is right. Uh, a broken clock is right. Twice a day.
[00:01:37] June Diane Raphael: Twice a day.
[00:01:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Uh, that's, this is, this is one of them. So. Wait, well, what did they make us watch the last time?
[00:01:43] Paul Scheer: They made us watch, uh, A League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, which.
[00:01:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, right.
[00:01:47] Paul Scheer: Which we were, which we.
[00:01:48] Jason Mantzoukas: The worst.
[00:01:49] Paul Scheer: Really. The worst. Now here's what I'm gonna say. There was some manipulation here. Now I have, I have some issues, but I'm gonna talk about the manipulation first.
[00:01:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, it was rigged?
[00:01:59] Paul Scheer: Well. I believe it was rigged because if you watch his.
[00:02:02] June Diane Raphael: So classic Discord.
[00:02:04] Paul Scheer: Yes, because.
[00:02:05] June Diane Raphael: Stop the steal. Or maybe don't stop the steal. If this was rigged. There are some situations. It's sort of like, I, I remember, you know, when Eric Holder came out with the.
[00:02:18] Paul Scheer: Oh wow, okay. Yeah.
[00:02:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Here we go. Go ahead.
[00:02:20] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:02:21] June Diane Raphael: With Barack Obama to like, talk about redistricting and I, I will say this about the Democrats, like we've done our own redistricting here and there.
[00:02:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Sure.
[00:02:29] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:02:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Sure.
[00:02:30] June Diane Raphael: Okay. So it's like there are certain times where a little bit of manipulation, a little bit of not playing by the rules is what you have to do to get the job done.
[00:02:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep. Okay. Alright.
[00:02:43] June Diane Raphael: Okay. And I think that might be what's happening, the discord.
[00:02:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Listen, if there's a little bit of rigging, if there's a little bit of, I'm talking old school Chicago style.
[00:02:52] June Diane Raphael: That's what I'm talking about as well.
[00:02:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Backroom politicking.
[00:02:55] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:02:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Uh, I, I, I'm cool with it, you know, if it gives us this, but I don't know if the last one was rigged and that's how we got, uh, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
[00:03:05] June Diane Raphael: Well, that's why it's so hard.
[00:03:06] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't trust the system. I don't trust the system.
[00:03:08] Paul Scheer: Well, I mean, we are going to be redistricting the discord. Okay. So we're moving people who can vote, when they can vote. It's, there's, it's some complicated thing, uh, that's happening right now. Yeah. We are moving people around. Uh, you know, Scott and Molly are gonna switch. We, I don't know what that means, but we are, we're just working a lot of things behind the scenes.
[00:03:28] Jason Mantzoukas: We're gerrymandering the discord.
[00:03:30] Paul Scheer: Yes. A little bit.
[00:03:31] June Diane Raphael: It looks like we are living in a failed state, and this might be an opportunity, you know, if we're governing the discord to sort of create a template that actually works.
[00:03:41] Paul Scheer: Well, I wanna.
[00:03:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Here's my question.
[00:03:42] Paul Scheer: I wanna lay it down. Yeah, go ahead.
[00:03:43] Jason Mantzoukas: I was gonna say, I was gonna say, we, I, and I hate to bring this up, we were not elected, we appointed ourselves.
[00:03:52] Paul Scheer: We appointed ourselves.
[00:03:53] Jason Mantzoukas: So I, I don't even know what kind of system of government we're running here. Not to say.
[00:03:57] June Diane Raphael: Well, but it's like there's a lot of.
[00:03:58] Jason Mantzoukas: It's working.
[00:03:59] June Diane Raphael: There's a lot of arranged marriages that end up working out.
[00:04:02] Paul Scheer: We are going.
[00:04:03] Jason Mantzoukas: I love this.
[00:04:03] Paul Scheer: We're, we're going, we're opening the doors.
[00:04:05] Jason Mantzoukas: I love that you're tackling politics, arranged marriage. June, five minutes in, hot.
[00:04:09] June Diane Raphael: Sometimes the, the people around you know what you need more than you do.
[00:04:13] Paul Scheer: This is an interest statement.
[00:04:14] June Diane Raphael: And you can get, you can get sort of wrapped up in passion and what's there right now and like not be able to see the forest through the trees, not be able to see what it takes to sustain.
[00:04:24] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:04:24] June Diane Raphael: A long relationship.
[00:04:25] Paul Scheer: Have you ever been set up with a good person? I mean, that's the question that I want to ask you both.
[00:04:30] June Diane Raphael: No, and actually no one has ever set me up and I do take issue with that. I don't know what that's about.
[00:04:37] Paul Scheer: Got it.
[00:04:37] June Diane Raphael: I'm not gonna look at myself though.
[00:04:39] Paul Scheer: Okay. Well, wow. Okay.
[00:04:42] June Diane Raphael: No one ever set me up.
[00:04:43] Jason Mantzoukas: No, that's, I mean, to, to be fair, June, you are looking at yourself in a hand mirror right now.
[00:04:47] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Lot, lot.
[00:04:48] Jason Mantzoukas: You are, you are holding up a mirror to you.
[00:04:50] June Diane Raphael: And by the way, I look great.
[00:04:52] Paul Scheer: She look, she looks really good. She keeps on saying, please make this podcast video so we can have it out there.
[00:04:58] Jason Mantzoukas: We're begging you, Paul. June and I are begging you to make this a video podcast. We don't understand why you won't let us.
[00:05:04] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Netflix now doing podcasts on zoom.
[00:05:08] Jason Mantzoukas: What are earth?
[00:05:09] Paul Scheer: There are Zoom podcasts. Podcasts are airing on Netflix.
[00:05:13] Jason Mantzoukas: And if you want to know just how bad podcasters look, just go to Netflix. What are you doing?
[00:05:19] Paul Scheer: That was, that was part of the joy.
[00:05:21] June Diane Raphael: And why?
[00:05:22] Paul Scheer: Podcasting.
[00:05:23] June Diane Raphael: It's no longer a podcast. Actually, I wanna call it something different. It's like this Was it a a TV show? I also wanna.
[00:05:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Its a TV show.
[00:05:29] June Diane Raphael: It's a TV show. And I also wanna say this to women. I wish we could lock arms and say no and say this was a medium that worked for us. 'Cause people couldn't see us.
[00:05:39] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:05:40] June Diane Raphael: They had to listen to us.
[00:05:41] Jason Mantzoukas: The whole, here's the thing, why would you wanna look at the people who are just talking? This is a radio show. This is not video.
[00:05:48] Paul Scheer: This is what I'm saying.
[00:05:49] Jason Mantzoukas: This is not a visual medium.
[00:05:51] June Diane Raphael: I don't know.
[00:05:51] Jason Mantzoukas: This. I don't understand.
[00:05:53] Paul Scheer: Now look, occasionally we'll do it, uh, like we did for a Christmas one. We'll be.
[00:05:57] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, we do.
[00:05:57] Paul Scheer: But we'll make it special. We'll make.
[00:05:59] June Diane Raphael: That's a premium.
[00:05:59] Jason Mantzoukas: That's a live experience. That's a live show. That's a live experience.
[00:06:03] June Diane Raphael: And by the way, you're gonna pay for it.
[00:06:05] Paul Scheer: Wow.
[00:06:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Bitch.
[00:06:06] June Diane Raphael: You're gonna pay for it.
[00:06:07] Paul Scheer: Wow.
[00:06:08] June Diane Raphael: No way, I'm giving that away for free. What's that phrase? Can't give away the milk. Uh, you gotta buy the cow first, whatever that is.
[00:06:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, no, I love June. I'd love to just drill down on this with June.
[00:06:20] June Diane Raphael: By the way, there's.
[00:06:21] Paul Scheer: Gotta buy the milk.
[00:06:22] June Diane Raphael: It's on my mind, 'cause there's so much lactation. Oh, there's so much lactation in this movie.
[00:06:28] Paul Scheer: I almost sat down with my son and watching.
[00:06:30] June Diane Raphael: What were you thinking, Paul? You said last night we're gonna watch Shoot Em Up, kids. Do you wanna watch with us?
[00:06:35] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Because I remember because I remember it being like a Bugs Bunny esque paper. And, and I, I did not remember how much breast stuff is, and breast milk is in the movie.
[00:06:46] June Diane Raphael: And violence. And violence.
[00:06:48] Paul Scheer: Well, this is the violence.
[00:06:49] June Diane Raphael: The problem with this country is like we have no problem. We're so disgusted by women's bodies. By the way, I took a wellbutrin about a half an hour ago and I've had two cups of coffee.
[00:06:59] Jason Mantzoukas: You're doing great work. You're doing great. Somehow we barely talked about the movie, but you're already talking about what's wrong with the country.
[00:07:07] June Diane Raphael: But this is my problem is like, we are so like, oh, that's, that's crazy to look at a woman's breast, a woman's nipple that smells like milk.
[00:07:15] Paul Scheer: No, I didn't think that's crazy at all.
[00:07:17] Jason Mantzoukas: I loved it.
[00:07:19] Paul Scheer: Now this is why we needed video.
[00:07:21] June Diane Raphael: We're so like.
[00:07:21] Paul Scheer: For those takes.
[00:07:22] June Diane Raphael: Fine with the violence. And that's you Paul. You were so fine with the violence.
[00:07:26] Paul Scheer: Okay, well let's not kid.
[00:07:27] June Diane Raphael: And showing our kids that level of violence.
[00:07:28] Paul Scheer: Well, okay, hold on. Now.
[00:07:30] Jason Mantzoukas: I will say that I, I feel like the violence is so cartoony.
[00:07:35] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:07:35] Jason Mantzoukas: As to feel like it's not like Seven.
[00:07:38] Paul Scheer: It doesn't have any consequence to it. It feels, it feels.
[00:07:41] June Diane Raphael: All I know is you showed them Jackass and then Gus had two kids at school. Two kids at school grabbing him by the limbs and throwing him as far as they could.
[00:07:50] Paul Scheer: And he did introduce it like a jackass video.
[00:07:52] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:07:52] Paul Scheer: Now, now.
[00:07:53] Jason Mantzoukas: That's cute.
[00:07:54] June Diane Raphael: He's like, what's up guys? It's Gus.
[00:07:56] Paul Scheer: Now I will say that Johnny. Johnny will, uh, will be on a new episode of this, uh, show eventually. Uh, we were just talking about that the other day, which I'm excited about. Oh, but when I told, uh, my boys that, uh, potentially Johnny was gonna be doing a show, they lost, they lost their mind.
[00:08:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh my God.
[00:08:15] Paul Scheer: Um, but I wanna talk about the Discord.
[00:08:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Uh, redistrict the Discord.
[00:08:20] Paul Scheer: So the Discord, uh, was given a selection of films. The movie, The Core, Cutthroat Island, Ice Pirates, The Pest, Shoot 'Em Up, and Suburban Commando. All worthy choices. Now, I believe that the Discords job is to pick, and this is a very tricky thing, a movie that is bad, but watchable. I believe.
[00:08:43] June Diane Raphael: Oh, I don't trust 'em with that.
[00:08:45] Paul Scheer: I believe they failed.
[00:08:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes, with League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
[00:08:49] Paul Scheer: They failed there. And I also believe they failed here because yes, this was enjoyable, but it falls into, thank God it got made. I think maybe I'm wrong.
[00:08:56] Jason Mantzoukas: This I.
[00:08:57] June Diane Raphael: I totally agree.
[00:08:58] Jason Mantzoukas: I feel like I agree. This feels more to me in the vein of Face Off or those kind of big budget. Very, I I mean, I feel like people are like, it's so crazy. He like kills people with a carrot as if it's like Bugs Bunny. And we're like, well no. That is intentional. This movie movie is in on the joke. It is not, we are not pointing it out. The movie is.
[00:09:21] Paul Scheer: And that's. And that's, and that's, I wanna.
[00:09:22] June Diane Raphael: I'm happy to talk about it. I loved it.
[00:09:25] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:09:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Great. Same.
[00:09:25] Paul Scheer: We'll get into all that, but I wanna talk about where we started a little while ago about how the Discord.
[00:09:30] June Diane Raphael: Are you scared of the Discord, Paul?
[00:09:32] Paul Scheer: No, I just want.
[00:09:34] June Diane Raphael: Okay.
[00:09:34] Paul Scheer: Let you, like, I, I am up in the business of the Discord and I wanna let you in on it. Right?
[00:09:39] Jason Mantzoukas: So wait, you're fucking the discord?
[00:09:41] Paul Scheer: A little bit. And it's okay. June and I have an open Discord relationship. Anything on the Discord I can do. Now, um.
[00:09:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Are you guys in a, are you guys in a polycule with a discord?
[00:09:53] Paul Scheer: It's, it's, we're kind of like, uh, the stereophonic, uh, spree. Like we're, it's, there's so many of us, you can't keep track of what's going on. Here's what I will say.
[00:10:03] The, the Discord had these votes and I'm watching it, and I'm seeing certain things go up and down. But as it gets down to the final moments where the voting right before the voting is closed. There was an energy here of we can't piss off Jason. We can't make him mad at us again. So.
[00:10:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, because of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
[00:10:28] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:10:28] Jason Mantzoukas: I see.
[00:10:28] Paul Scheer: So at this point.
[00:10:30] June Diane Raphael: Okay.
[00:10:31] Paul Scheer: So happens there starts to be a little bit of tampering with votes, and we can start to see that they are not only trying to make you happy with a movie, like Shoot 'Em Up. Because I think that they're driving that to you and, and unto all of us, but I think that they know that the wrath is gonna come at them from you and this movie, The Core. So what happens is.
[00:10:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Which I don't, I can, I know this movie, but what is The Core?
[00:10:55] Paul Scheer: The Core is like one, remember when they made all those movies where people were just going to the moon? Like there was this, a lot of, a lot of moon movies. Uh, the Core is one of those moon movies, and it is like with Aaron Eckhart, Hillary Swank.
[00:11:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, okay.
[00:11:09] Paul Scheer: DJ Quals. Stanley Tucci, uh.
[00:11:10] Jason Mantzoukas: The Tucc?
[00:11:11] Paul Scheer: The Tucc, okay. Uh, just, uh, but unfortunately that.
[00:11:13] Scott Sonne: Just a producer clarification.
[00:11:15] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:11:16] Scott Sonne: The plot of The Core is actually that the Earth's core has stopped spinning.
[00:11:21] Paul Scheer: Oh, okay.
[00:11:22] Scott Sonne: And a team must drill to the center of the earth.
[00:11:25] Paul Scheer: Oh.
[00:11:25] Scott Sonne: To, to jumpstart the core by detonating an atom bomb.
[00:11:30] Paul Scheer: Oh, okay. Got it. Okay. I'm so sorry.
[00:11:31] Scott Sonne: And the reason why the core not spinning is a problem is that it's been causing geo storm type natural disasters around the world.
[00:11:38] Paul Scheer: Ah, got it. All right. So anyway. The Core, which is clocking in at an aggressive length at two hours and 15 minutes.
[00:11:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Too long.
[00:11:47] Paul Scheer: Yeah. So what happens is, people start jockeying to create a tie. Mm-hmm. They're holding their votes back.
[00:11:55] June Diane Raphael: Oh.
[00:11:55] Paul Scheer: To manufacture a tie now, Scott, am I missing anything major from that?
[00:12:00] Jason Mantzoukas: No, you're doing a great job.
[00:12:01] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:12:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Can I ask a question, Paul, of you and, and perhaps of Scott. How many people are we talking about?
[00:12:08] Paul Scheer: Well, we're talking about like, I mean, I wanna, I without, I mean, you can see the votes, the, the amount of votes for The Core and the amount of votes for Shoot 'Em Up.
[00:12:16] They're a tie and they're at 473 votes each.
[00:12:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Each? Oh my god. Okay.
[00:12:21] Paul Scheer: So, and then this is the most votes we've ever gotten because actually so many people joined the Discord. I think they, they got in knowing like, okay, you know what? I didn't like League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. I want my voice to be heard. And then I think people are like, what's the discord? How do I get into discord?
[00:12:34] Jason Mantzoukas: And did we nominate the movies they could choose from? Or did the Discord come up with these movies?
[00:12:38] Paul Scheer: We did. We did.
[00:12:39] Scott Sonne: We, yeah, we, yeah, I, I culled the Discord suggestions over the years and chose a group that I thought people would be excited about and.
[00:12:47] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:12:47] Scott Sonne: That also covered, you know, a, a variety of genres.
[00:12:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. Alright.
[00:12:51] Paul Scheer: And they're, they're all over the board. They, these are fine choices.
[00:12:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Got it.
[00:12:54] Paul Scheer: But I will say when I saw the time, my immediate reaction was, well, the core is a movie that I know that Avaryl said, don't do it. It's not really worth it. Uh, but I want be honest to the Discord and let them go pick what they want and then Shoot 'Em Up as a movie. I'm like, this is really fun. I enjoyed it. So we aired on the side of let's take the fun one, even though there's a tie. I think they were hoping to get two out of us.
[00:13:16] Jason Mantzoukas: I see.
[00:13:17] Paul Scheer: Uh, you know, if there was a tie, we'd have to do two. Uh, we're not gonna, we're not gonna watch a two hour and 15, uh, a minute, uh, film that is just, fine. Like, yeah, yeah. It is not worth it. Not worth.
[00:13:30] Jason Mantzoukas: You got one. I I think if Avaryl said no, I, I, trust, I trust her implicitly.
[00:13:34] Paul Scheer: So, yeah. So that, that is a thing. That's how we're here. The Discord hopes to make Jason happy by creating this tie.
[00:13:41] June Diane Raphael: Does the Discord care about me at all?
[00:13:43] Paul Scheer: I mean, I look, I believe that Jason comes at them way harder than you June. I mean, obviously at the Eric Holder comes after you. If I, so Eric.
[00:13:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Honestly, if I had the, if I had the ability to unplug the Discord, I would. I, I would just straightaway do it.
[00:13:56] Paul Scheer: Um, here's what I'm gonna tell you about this movie. Just from my point of view. I saw this movie in a theater and it was raucous.
[00:14:05] It was a heart
[00:14:07] June Diane Raphael: That's fun.
[00:14:07] Paul Scheer: People were going bananas for it. Now my friend, good friend of mine, great director Ben David Grebinski, was the director's assistant on this film. And I was talking to him about this movie, uh, because he was there and, and pitched many jokes. He listened to the DVD commentary.
[00:14:25] He's like, Ben David came up with that. Ben David came up with that. What he told me was, this movie hit in two ways. One, everyone got it and people were psyched. No one got it. And people left angry. So there was a very.
[00:14:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh wow.
[00:14:39] Paul Scheer: It was like he said, he saw it a million times and it just either worked a hundred percent or completely fell flat.
[00:14:47] And I do think that to your point about the carrot and stuff, it was about a couple years too soon for people to get this level of like.
[00:14:57] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, that's interesting.
[00:14:57] Paul Scheer: Oh, it's intentionally trying to do something.
[00:15:00] Jason Mantzoukas: It's kind of almost a sendup of one of these kind of movies while also executing one of these kind of movies very well. It's not.
[00:15:07] June Diane Raphael: It was very, very well.
[00:15:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Oh, and, and wait, Paul, who made this movie?
[00:15:12] Paul Scheer: This is this guy Michael Davies.
[00:15:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Who is that?
[00:15:15] Paul Scheer: Michael Davis. So Michael Davis actually wrote the screenplay for a Double Dragon with.
[00:15:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh.
[00:15:21] Paul Scheer: Peter Gould from Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. Uh, they were writing partners. Uh, but, but Michael Davis is a storyboard artist, one of the best of all time.
[00:15:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. So that's why he basically, it's visually so good.
[00:15:35] Paul Scheer: He basically created every shot in the movie Tremors. Uh, and during like a period of time where he couldn't get anything made, he made like this animated sizzle reel of 17,000 drawings. That was the premise of this movie. He called it John Woo's Wet Dream.
[00:15:54] And that's what he wanted to make this like, this is like, so it was like a 17 minute long sizzle reel to sell this movie. And that's how this movie was kind of birthed into the world.
[00:16:05] Jason Mantzoukas: But that's a great comparison. Uh, John Woo, in this era of somebody who's making visually sumptuous action movies that just don't have any of this, if people were coming in expecting a John Woo style Broken Arrow, Shoot Em Up, kind of craziness, like these jokes or these absurd asides or these corny one-liners would bump you if you wanted it to be like a real, like, uh, Shoot 'Em Up. You know?
[00:16:37] Paul Scheer: Well, can I tell you where I think this movie fails and, and, and not fails? I, I love this movie. I'm a fan of this movie. I was excited to watch this movie. I think that the, what the trouble is is Clive Owen. He's great. He plays it perfect, but I think people coming in are like, wait a second. If he's in it, is it funny? Is it serious? Like if you put.
[00:16:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, I liked that though.
[00:16:59] June Diane Raphael: Me too.
[00:16:59] Paul Scheer: I did too. Yes.
[00:17:00] Jason Mantzoukas: I agree with you though. He could confuse of viewer 'cause he's so good at it.
[00:17:04] Paul Scheer: He's great.
[00:17:05] Jason Mantzoukas: You know, he would be. But if you had someone, I'm trying to think of at the time, like, uh, if you had Bruce Willis in this.
[00:17:12] Paul Scheer: Ryan Reynolds, like, you know, like.
[00:17:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Then you get, it's, then it's too wink wink. I feel like, you know?
[00:17:18] Paul Scheer: But it's kind of Bugs Bunny. I mean, I love the, I love Clive Owen. He's great. June, what did you think of Clive Owen?
[00:17:24] June Diane Raphael: I thought he was perfect. I loved it. I mean, my only question for his character, honestly, this is like the only thing that bumped me in the movie was the, and it's not even just his character, it's men in general in this film, don't seem to know that you can feed a newborn baby with formula.
[00:17:43] Paul Scheer: I wrote that down too. It does.
[00:17:44] June Diane Raphael: I mean, it seems like it's not a fact. I think that is like penetrate. Now.
[00:17:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:17:50] June Diane Raphael: I will tell you that we are probably, well I'm, I'm actually younger than both of you, but.
[00:17:56] Paul Scheer: Wow.
[00:17:56] June Diane Raphael: I am from a generation of babies who were strictly formula fed because for a while there our moms were told formula was better than breast milk.
[00:18:09] Paul Scheer: Mm-hmm.
[00:18:09] June Diane Raphael: And so I wonder, I actually had this thought like it, because there was that campaign for a period of like, formula is better. And then of course there was, they realized breast milk is. And by the way, quote unquote better, like, feed your baby with whatever the fuck you have. But like the, I wondered if these men had been so indoctrinated with the idea of breast is best that they didn't know you could very safely and effectively.
[00:18:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, they are from a generation that is probably prioritizing breastfeeding in a way that, that, you know, picking up on all of the elements that, that breastfeeding would've given the baby. I think, you know, not for nothing. It, boy, would this movie have been worse for where if he had just gone out and bought a bunch of formula and never gone to Monica Bellucci, uh, thank God for Bellucc. The Bellucc is lucc.
[00:19:04] June Diane Raphael: We didn't have the Tucc, but we did have the Bellucc.
[00:19:07] Paul Scheer: The Bellucc And I mean, and by the way, when, when there is a line it says. Uh, and I won't do it as justice. 'cause Paul Giamatti is the bad guy in this and he is fantastic. Like he is. It seemed chewy. It's.
[00:19:21] June Diane Raphael: He really turned my stomach effectively.
[00:19:24] Paul Scheer: Yes, yes.
[00:19:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:19:25] June Diane Raphael: He really turned my stomach.
[00:19:26] Paul Scheer: This lady's baby needs to be fed. Find me every wet nurse, lactating hooker, and mammary on tap in the city.
[00:19:34] June Diane Raphael: Like, now here's a question, and again, I've always said this, the less I know about men, the better. Put it on a t-shirt, sell it. But the less I know about men, the better. But is that's lactating, is lactating? Is fetishizing lactating. That's a thing?
[00:19:50] Jason Mantzoukas: For sure. For sure.
[00:19:52] Paul Scheer: I guess, I mean.
[00:19:53] Jason Mantzoukas: For sure. You know, like, um, I mean, I'm just saying is it a PornHub category? I'm sure it is. Um, here's the thing. I think what's, and, and when we find Monica Bellucci, she is lactating and her entire, her entire, um, she's set up in a brothel where each of the rooms has a theme and her theme is baby.
[00:20:15] Paul Scheer: I mean, theme is.
[00:20:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Her theme is baby, it's all baby bottles. And her. The John that she's with is, is in a diaper and is breast breastfeeding.
[00:20:23] Paul Scheer: Can I, yeah. Can I ask like a a, a sexually innocent question I've never seen besides going to a haunted house, a wall of rubber that one person is behind.
[00:20:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Figure that out.
[00:20:36] Paul Scheer: I was like, wow. Uh, is that a thing?
[00:20:38] June Diane Raphael: His face was coming out.
[00:20:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:20:41] June Diane Raphael: But his face was a part of the rubber too. That was.
[00:20:44] Paul Scheer: Yeah, I think he was on the other side.
[00:20:45] June Diane Raphael: Was specific. No, he was on the other side. But like, what?
[00:20:48] Paul Scheer: What happen, what?
[00:20:48] Jason Mantzoukas: What transactionally is happening? You know, like, what is this, what is this meant to elicit?
[00:20:53] Paul Scheer: Because I went in a haunted house where that is happening and they, 'cause they give you the illusion of reaching out and grabbing it. 'cause the wall is.
[00:21:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Like Freddy, you like Freddie in that movie.
[00:21:03] Paul Scheer: Right. But they can't touch it 'cause you are separated.
[00:21:05] June Diane Raphael: Here's the thing though, that the, the cost of upkeep and, and also just like making that.
[00:21:11] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:21:11] June Diane Raphael: How many Johns are arriving. Yeah. Like that, that must be, you know, for any of the, the rooms to make sense. Like you have to have a number of customers I would assume.
[00:21:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah. I mean, no, it's like a movie theater, not wanting three hour movies because they can only do fewer showings per day. Like how many Johns fit That room's Particular kink?
[00:21:33] June Diane Raphael: Kink.
[00:21:33] Paul Scheer: Well, because you gotta hold it so taut. So taut.
[00:21:36] June Diane Raphael: Yes. So taut.
[00:21:37] Paul Scheer: Uh.
[00:21:38] Jason Mantzoukas: How do you or, or is it new? Is it a roll and you like each, after each one it's rolled across, cut off, and that bit is thrown away.
[00:21:46] June Diane Raphael: It looked expensive though.
[00:21:48] Paul Scheer: It did.
[00:21:48] Jason Mantzoukas: It did.
[00:21:49] Paul Scheer: Now I, here's a question. I mean, maybe the John is bringing it with him now. The other question I have is, this is the theme nunnery, and then within the nunnery, different rooms, because it's, I mean, I know we're answered. The door is answered by a nun in a thong. Uh, that, well, first is a nun then revealed thong and it felt like nunnery.
[00:22:11] Like, uh, house of Ill repute, but then it, but then it felt like everything was themed and she was maybe the only one on break, or is the nun just answering the door?
[00:22:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, yeah, I couldn't figure out if the nun who answered the door, she was just, well, I'm not busy right now. I do religious, uh, kink over in this room. I just don't have an appointment, so I'll answer the door.
[00:22:30] Paul Scheer: Right. Like, sort of like, if you're not, if you're not in the middle of fucking, can you please get the door? Now, I mean, I will, I will say this is very John Wick coded as well. I mean, this is like, it's got all the secret organizations, the world.
[00:22:46] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:22:46] Paul Scheer: So there's so much great stuff. I mean, know instead of a dog, you got a baby. The baby is great. I mean it, this is, oh. It, it. No, I mean, from the moment one.
[00:22:54] Jason Mantzoukas: I wanna stress, it's not just a baby, it is a newborn.
[00:22:57] June Diane Raphael: Couldn't be newer.
[00:22:58] Jason Mantzoukas: This baby.
[00:22:58] Paul Scheer: He delivers the baby.
[00:22:59] Jason Mantzoukas: The, he delivers the baby, and then the rest of the movie happens, I believe within 48 hours.
[00:23:04] Paul Scheer: I mean, when I knew that this movie in the theater was great was like, you open up on Clive Owen, he takes a bite of this carrot. You're like, interesting. And then, uh, and then the, the movie starts and it's frenetic action. Some really cool shots. But then the moment that really, I was like, this movie knows exactly what it's doing is when he delivers the baby amids, a gunfight then uses his gun to blow the umbilical cord, like to separate the baby. I was like.
[00:23:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Incredible.
[00:23:31] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. Why not?
[00:23:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Incredible moment.
[00:23:33] Paul Scheer: I am in.
[00:23:34] June Diane Raphael: Why not?
[00:23:35] Paul Scheer: I am. Uh, there's nothing else. And, and, and odd.
[00:23:37] June Diane Raphael: Now the only show I had with him, I, I didn't like when he ripped her, sh her, her outfit open and said, oh, feed junior. Whatever the fuck he said, I, I didn't like that one bit.
[00:23:48] Paul Scheer: I didn't like that either. And I didn't, I I.
[00:23:50] June Diane Raphael: Also, your milk doesn't come in right away.
[00:23:52] Paul Scheer: It, it also felt like, how did he, how was he so aware of like that, you know, like he, I mean, he's a man of.
[00:24:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, he just was, he just needed the baby to be quiet as soon as possible so that they wouldn't be discovered. You know, he was just saying, keep the baby quiet. Put a tit in its mouth.
[00:24:08] June Diane Raphael: Put a tit in its mouth, and that's fine. But like, the baby actually doesn't need to be fed right away.
[00:24:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. It just was making too much noise.
[00:24:15] June Diane Raphael: Just talk. Can we just talk about like being a lactating hooker because I, I.
[00:24:20] Paul Scheer: Please.
[00:24:20] June Diane Raphael: Just was thinking about it like she, I don't know, I guess she was on some sort of hormone supplement.
[00:24:25] Jason Mantzoukas: No.
[00:24:26] June Diane Raphael: To help her.
[00:24:26] Jason Mantzoukas: She, it's explained she had a stillborn baby.
[00:24:29] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:24:29] Jason Mantzoukas: We now, we didn't see that. She tells the story later to Clive Owen and she says, why haven't you asked what happened to my baby?
[00:24:36] June Diane Raphael: So her milk came in from the stillborn?
[00:24:39] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:24:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Her, her, her pimp punched her. She says.
[00:24:42] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, I heard.
[00:24:42] Jason Mantzoukas: And her baby was born stillborn. And so my assumption is she continued to lactate and then used that in her.
[00:24:50] June Diane Raphael: As her kink. Gotta get a gimmick.
[00:24:52] Paul Scheer: Well, that's it. I think that that's more what it was. She's like, well. I should use this. And then because of the amount that she is using it, she's never stopping.
[00:25:00] It's like those people who like will be, no, I still breastfed my child and they're standing up. Like, I've seen that like on a Maury episode. Right. You know, it's like a, it's somebody who's very old.
[00:25:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Sure, sure. Paul. Sure. Paul, you've seen it in a Maury episode. Great.
[00:25:12] Paul Scheer: I'm always watching.
[00:25:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Great catch.
[00:25:15] Paul Scheer: I'm always watching Maury.
[00:25:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, I, I've seen it on, on a video on Maury. I think, uh, think.
[00:25:20] June Diane Raphael: Just wanna shout. I just wanna shout out her character because of all the kinks that are available in each and every one of those rooms, the one I would. Like to do the least is lactating.
[00:25:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah.
[00:25:33] June Diane Raphael: 'Cause that's a lot of work. Oh, to have your boobs filled with milk and then it, it, it hurts if you're not lactating. So then it's like, well, if she's self expressing, is she pumping? I mean, there's so many questions.
[00:25:45] Jason Mantzoukas: It's also so much, it's so intimate. It's so intimate that to have a grown man.
[00:25:51] June Diane Raphael: Like, I can't even talk about it, Jason.
[00:25:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Breastfeeding.
[00:25:53] June Diane Raphael: I can't even talk about it.
[00:25:55] Paul Scheer: That was a mo that was a moment.
[00:25:56] Jason Mantzoukas: We just talked about it.
[00:25:57] June Diane Raphael: But I can't any longer.
[00:25:58] Jason Mantzoukas: You just were talking about it.
[00:25:59] June Diane Raphael: And, but it has to be over.
[00:26:01] Paul Scheer: I do wanna say that that moment really makes me recoil because it's like.
[00:26:05] June Diane Raphael: Oh, it's horrible. I couldn't understand what it was at first.
[00:26:08] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:26:08] June Diane Raphael: Because my mind, my imagination stopped. Yeah. It stopped. It had to protect itself.
[00:26:13] Paul Scheer: Well, even at the time when you catcher giving the bad guy a, a blow job behind the dumpster, I was like, wait, how did that happen so quickly? And where it's.
[00:26:22] June Diane Raphael: So quick.
[00:26:22] Paul Scheer: Like there are some moments that really will take your breath away. And I will say. Those are quick ones, but the one that sticks in my mind, the one that really got to me and I know it was there for creep factor, is Paul Giamatti looking at this dead woman that he is carrying around in the car.
[00:26:41] This is the mother of the baby who does get shot in, uh, right after delivering the baby. And she's still uncovered from when Clive Owen has ripped open her shirt to help her feed her baby, and he just grabs her breast. And I, when I say there's a fearless performance going on here for Paul Giamatti, like what he is doing is. That scene, it's.
[00:27:05] June Diane Raphael: Very, very horrible. Very, very horrible.
[00:27:07] Paul Scheer: But you, I feel like everything I needed to know about his character from like, I'm like.
[00:27:13] Jason Mantzoukas: From, it's the one two punch for Gia. I wanna just say Giamatti is incredible in this and he and Clive Owen as opposite sides are fantastic. And what's so good about Giamatti is he's doing all of this disgusting stuff.
[00:27:27] The scene you are talking about, he's saying so many disgusting things. But then he's also continuously fielding calls from his wife where you can tell he is put upon and feels like, yes, he is not in charge.
[00:27:42] Movie Audio: Sweetie, this deal is almost done. Look, I've already booked my flight home. Okay? Okay. I love you too. Yeah. Bye-bye.
[00:27:59] You know why a gun is better than a wife? Hmm?
[00:28:04] Dunno.
[00:28:05] You can put a silencer on a gun.
[00:28:07] Jason Mantzoukas: And that is like so funny to me that his performance is like basically built off of a, a like the impotent rage of a husband who's being constantly, uh, had at by his wife, which I think is very funny.
[00:28:23] June Diane Raphael: That is what's so great about this movie, and I think really separates it from just being like a send up of these types of movies because you know, Clive Owen also has these like very specific pet peeves. There are, there are specific choices that are made. And I love when a character like this is just like, like he doesn't like when people are rage driving. He doesn't like cats. You like, there's things about, there's specific things that he doesn't like. And to me it's what elevates this movie.
[00:28:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. And his performance. So his.
[00:28:56] June Diane Raphael: His performance is unreal.
[00:28:58] Jason Mantzoukas: His. Everything. He's not leaning into any of the jokes that he is. He is the Bugs Bunny character, but there is no Bugs Bunny wink. There is no Bugs Bunny, no kind of ryeness. He is just straight man. It's as if he's stepped out of Children of Men and stepped into.
[00:29:17] Paul Scheer: Well, by the way, there, there is a moment that reminded me of Children of Men. It looks, he's like in the same costume. There's one moment where he's on the bus and I'm like, are, is this the Children of Men that we were promised? Because in a weird way, it's the same story as Children of Men. Like he is protect.
[00:29:32] Jason Mantzoukas: It's so funny. Yeah.
[00:29:33] Paul Scheer: I mean, in that one, he is protecting a pregnant woman to give birth, but in this, he got the baby to where the baby needs to go. And the baby is what being used to genetically keep the governor young?
[00:29:44] June Diane Raphael: The senator alive.
[00:29:44] Paul Scheer: The senator alive.
[00:29:45] Jason Mantzoukas: He, he, yeah.
[00:29:46] June Diane Raphael: Not young. To save his life, I think.
[00:29:48] Jason Mantzoukas: To save his life. Yeah. He has, he needs the bone marrow of a, a relative that has his whatever. He's got a baby farm. So the setup is there's a senator who wants to become president, who's in charge of gun. Oh, this is a gun control movie.
[00:30:03] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:30:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Also, the theme of this, one of the central themes is gun control in a movie that is wall to wall guns, which is very funny.
[00:30:10] June Diane Raphael: Which I loved. I loved.
[00:30:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. Love it.
[00:30:12] Paul Scheer: And, and by the way, this is a movie where I just have some of the stats. 151 people are killed in, in less than an hour and 30 minutes.
[00:30:22] And they used, uh, 6,000 squibbs and 15 gallons.
[00:30:28] June Diane Raphael: June Squibbs?
[00:30:28] Paul Scheer: June Squibbs. It took a while to get the set, so it was a little, it was. Tricky, but we, but they got 'em, they did it six, 6,000 times.
[00:30:35] June Diane Raphael: She'll always get there. She works.
[00:30:37] Paul Scheer: I mean, that was the thing.
[00:30:38] Jason Mantzoukas: She's booked.
[00:30:39] Paul Scheer: She's gonna, she's, she's ready to go.
[00:30:41] June Diane Raphael: Booked and busy.
[00:30:42] Paul Scheer: But yes, it's saying something, but also it, it, it's, I think this movie is incredibly clever and smart and cool. But.
[00:30:48] Jason Mantzoukas: I agree. It's, it's a, so anyway, just to finish my thought, he needs a bone marrow transplant. So he creates a baby farm with women so that he can have a bunch of babies that he can pull bone marrow from. Now, while that is happening, the, uh, gun company, bad guy.
[00:31:08] Paul Scheer: Hammersmith.
[00:31:08] Jason Mantzoukas: He decides, I don't want this guy to live because he wants gun control. So I'm gonna kill all those babies. I'm gonna kill his baby farm. And that's why he sends Giamatti in the goons to go kill the baby farm. And that is where we are. And then at the end of the movie, of course, it's revealed.
[00:31:26] June Diane Raphael: Well, why not just kill him?
[00:31:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Great question because, well.
[00:31:29] Paul Scheer: Well, because then it would be a line, A line would kind of be drawn to him. Whereas if you kill a baby farm, you can't say, Hey, someone came in and killed my baby farm. Yeah. 'cause then the more questions are asked.
[00:31:37] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, that's true.
[00:31:37] Paul Scheer: Well, why do you have a baby farm? Then there's a, then there's a, but now, by the way.
[00:31:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Do you guys think there's anybody right now that has a baby farm? They gotta be, right. Well, here's my, there's gotta be at least baby farm right now on this globe.
[00:31:52] June Diane Raphael: Listen.
[00:31:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Some billionaire.
[00:31:53] June Diane Raphael: When do you, when are you able to extract that bone marrow though?
[00:31:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Great question.
[00:31:58] June Diane Raphael: Because you can't have a bone marrow transplant until you are like, I believe, well, I don't know. Maybe, I don't know. Maybe with pediatric, I don't know.
[00:32:07] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't know either. And that's so interesting, but wouldn't it be incredibly painful for the babies to have their bone marrow removed?
[00:32:15] June Diane Raphael: Oh, it's horrible.
[00:32:15] Paul Scheer: You, you'd have to be at least 18, uh, because the, the most successful donations come from people from 18 to 35. Uh, so, uh, yeah. So that, like they will not, I mean.
[00:32:29] June Diane Raphael: Accept you. Yeah.
[00:32:30] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Minors are allowed to donate under strict ethical guidelines. But I don't think that they're going, that.
[00:32:36] June Diane Raphael: I don't think this falls under that.
[00:32:38] Paul Scheer: Yeah. I don't think I, well, it definitely doesn't yeah. I, yeah. I just feel like you gotta get some, you gotta get some more marrow in them bones before you can give it up. You got it.
[00:32:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Ooh. More of that delicious marrow.
[00:32:48] June Diane Raphael: By the way, though. Like this, this poor baby. When this baby, I mean, I had to do a lot of work watching this movie with the beginning sequence where the baby is, uh, under is sort of in a football hold with Clive Owen and he's jumping over buildings and he is doing this and that and he is shooting. And there's just several shots where I'm so worried about that baby's neck, you know? And.
[00:33:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yes, not never being supported.
[00:33:17] June Diane Raphael: Never. And I have to say like I did wonder why all that Clive Owen can do the amount of multitasking that he's able to do, could he not have created some sort of a Bjorn? Because I didn't know if our writer director didn't like the idea and it, I think this is a real, he's curious, a really interesting, like fast portray of masculinity, right? Because he at some point is on his back, but they never have him on his front in more of a papoose, which is more of a feminine look. And I wondered about that.
[00:33:50] Jason Mantzoukas: I, I, I do, I I understand that concern, but I think I have a different reason why that didn't happen.
[00:33:58] June Diane Raphael: Okay.
[00:33:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Is because I would say in almost every single set piece, Clive Owen slides on his stomach across the floor, across conveyor belts. He slides across hundreds of yards. He covers.
[00:34:14] June Diane Raphael: Like a seal.
[00:34:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Over a mile and a half of distance.
[00:34:18] June Diane Raphael: It's like run, run, slip and slide.
[00:34:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Sliding the sliding and shooting.
[00:34:23] Paul Scheer: The, the palm of his hand is gonna be the better brace in this situation. 'Cause he's able to like really pocket him like a football and the baby was not hurt.
[00:34:30] June Diane Raphael: And he's a bigger boy. He's not a slip of a thing, you know.
[00:34:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, Clive Owen or the baby?
[00:34:34] June Diane Raphael: Clive Owen.
[00:34:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh no. Clive Owen's a big guy.
[00:34:38] Paul Scheer: I, uh, the one thing I'm gonna say about Clive Owen, I have no.
[00:34:40] June Diane Raphael: Slipping and sliding.
[00:34:41] Paul Scheer: No problem with the way that he dealt with the baby. Like, yeah, sure, maybe a papoose, but to me, when he dropped the baby on the merry-go-round in the blazing hot sun, it did feel like, now I understand, uh, why it has to go there. But I was like, well, that's gonna be a little hot that that's gonna cook the baby. I, I arguably the worst thing that he did was leave the baby in the baking hot sun.
[00:35:05] Jason Mantzoukas: But he does know that someone will immediately find it, which they do. You know what I mean?
[00:35:09] June Diane Raphael: Yes, but I would've preferred that that ba and I understand why you couldn't go to the police station, but there are many places where you can safely surrender a baby no questions asked. So like, find your local hospital.
[00:35:22] Paul Scheer: They got that little safe, which I just saw.
[00:35:23] Jason Mantzoukas: What's that?
[00:35:24] June Diane Raphael: Oh, there's, there's some wonderful baby boxes.
[00:35:27] Paul Scheer: Yeah, baby boxes.
[00:35:28] June Diane Raphael: Where you literally open up. They have them, I think at, at a lot of different public facilities. Firehouses where you open the baby box thing.
[00:35:37] Jason Mantzoukas: It's like a library book return.
[00:35:38] June Diane Raphael: Yes.
[00:35:38] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:35:38] June Diane Raphael: You put the baby in there that you have to surrender and you close it up and there's
[00:35:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Can I go get one?
[00:35:44] June Diane Raphael: There's no questions asked.
[00:35:45] Jason Mantzoukas: If I see one of those, if I open it, will there be a baby in there?
[00:35:49] Paul Scheer: Well, that's the thing, the, you you know it's not, it's not just like a pickup. It's not like a vending.
[00:35:52] Jason Mantzoukas: It's not.
[00:35:52] Paul Scheer: A baby's.
[00:35:53] Jason Mantzoukas: I can't, okay.
[00:35:54] June Diane Raphael: It's one way, Jason.
[00:35:54] Jason Mantzoukas: I can't like put a, I can't put a $5 bill in and open it up and get a baby. It's not a baby auto mat?
[00:36:01] Paul Scheer: Now look, I would like.
[00:36:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Do you think, do you think the kids will know what an auto mat is?
[00:36:05] Paul Scheer: I mean, yeah, our audience is gonna definitely be jiv on the auto mat.
[00:36:08] June Diane Raphael: I barely know what it is.
[00:36:10] Jason Mantzoukas: I was gonna say June, do you know what an automat is?
[00:36:11] June Diane Raphael: I don't really.
[00:36:13] Paul Scheer: The, the thing that, uh, I love about that sequence too, and this is why this movie to me is so fucking funny, is he goes, you know, someone will find you and then a woman goes.
[00:36:24] Movie Audio: Oh my God, look at this. Someone left a baby.
[00:36:30] Paul Scheer: Boom just dead killed immediately. The movie has great timing and it's like anybody who's missing these jokes that like when the middle of a fight, he spells Fuck you. And then Giamatti turns and then he shoots out the aggress letters it spell Fuck you too. Come on guys.
[00:36:48] Jason Mantzoukas: It's so funny.
[00:36:48] Paul Scheer: Guys.
[00:36:49] Jason Mantzoukas: It's very funny.
[00:36:50] June Diane Raphael: Of things that happens though in this movie and I just wanna address it 'cause it's something that always bugs me and I don't know if anybody else has this issue.
[00:36:58] Picture a giant Shoot 'Em Up sequence. Okay. The one in the staircase where he's flying by that, you know, he's, he's going down the staircase on that rope or whatever that is. He's tethered shooting everybody. He kills in that sequence, it seems like at least 75 grown men minimum.
[00:37:15] Paul Scheer: Sure.
[00:37:15] June Diane Raphael: Okay. One of my pet peeves is that once he gets to the bottom, Paul Giamatti and Paul's Giamatti, and as everybody's been shooting at him, Paul Giamatti's been shooting at him. Once he gets to the bottom, he's still in range. It seems to be killed.
[00:37:34] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:37:34] June Diane Raphael: And yet Paul gma, there's sort of this like gentleman's agreement. Like I'll now watch you walk out. I'll now watch you exit, which is a solid like 10 seconds.
[00:37:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep.
[00:37:46] June Diane Raphael: Where your back is to me. I know you're not gonna shoot at me. But I will very respectfully not take this shot.
[00:37:53] Jason Mantzoukas: It's, it's, and there's also, there's something about them now being close enough to have words, right? That now instead of shooting, now we quip back and forth because there's some safety and feeling like, well now I can shoot you whenever I want. So let me give you a little bit of the, the old business.
[00:38:11] June Diane Raphael: The business.
[00:38:12] Jason Mantzoukas: And then that's the hubris that allows for Clive Owen to get away every time. But I agree that is just, that is a trope in this kind of a movie.
[00:38:19] June Diane Raphael: Yes. And I find it fascinating. It's like we, we, we let our people exit, you know, respectfully.
[00:38:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, it's the same thing too that happens, and it didn't happen in this movie, but I feel like happens in the, the versions of these movies that aren't, uh, self-aware, which is they decide instead, now that it's the two of us left, why don't we put our guns down and settle this like men hand to hand combat style, you know?
[00:38:42] Paul Scheer: Which always seems like it's not the right thing. It's not gonna work out for you.
[00:38:45] June Diane Raphael: It's not the time.
[00:38:48] Paul Scheer: I will say favorite scene of the film is the sex scene. The sex scene.
[00:38:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh my God.
[00:38:55] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. Absolutely incredible.
[00:38:56] Paul Scheer: On like, look, you got him delivering a baby, having a gunfight. And then you think in this moment like, oh, we're just gonna have like a little bit of a sex scene. And for the amount of nudity in this movie, I do actually think, it doesn't seem gratuitous. The, the amount of, uh, like, I don't know.
[00:39:11] June Diane Raphael: I don't think she's ever nudes. I mean she's nude, but you don't see anything.
[00:39:14] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:39:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:39:14] June Diane Raphael: Oh, it's such a great sequence and, and. You know, I have to like really tip my hat to Monica because she's having an orgasm and won't stop until she climaxes and she's being shot at, left and right.
[00:39:34] And I wondered, I don't know about anyone else, but I wondered like, oh, if you're a sex worker and, and you have men who are sucking milk from your boobs, like, is this just like she has not been able to have an orgasm. Or, or honor, like this has to happen.
[00:39:49] Jason Mantzoukas: They seem to have a connection. I feel like they seem to, to have a connection.
[00:39:53] June Diane Raphael: I thought the connection chemistry was electric.
[00:39:54] Jason Mantzoukas: They know, they know each other from the past. He brings the baby when he shows up. We didn't say this, which I very much laughed at when he shows up at the brothel to find her. Um, I'm assuming, knowing she's lactating because he knows her already, he's carrying the baby in a brown paper bag with packing peanuts in it, and I was like, this movie gets it. Anyway.
[00:40:15] June Diane Raphael: I loved it. I love that.
[00:40:16] Jason Mantzoukas: So the sex scene, to me it, this is what's great about the movie. Is that they're in the middle of having sex. Gunman burst in from every door, window, every which way. Every place. Not only do they not stop, they escalate the sex. The sex now starts.
[00:40:33] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, it gets better.
[00:40:34] Jason Mantzoukas: Mood gets better.
[00:40:35] June Diane Raphael: The stakes are higher.
[00:40:35] Jason Mantzoukas: And Monica Lucci isn't like, stop, let me hide. She's like, keep going.
[00:40:39] June Diane Raphael: Right.
[00:40:40] Jason Mantzoukas: And it's, that's the movie is.
[00:40:41] June Diane Raphael: She's like, little death, big death. It doesn't matter.
[00:40:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. I think the movie is leaning in, right?
[00:40:47] June Diane Raphael: Yes.
[00:40:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Leaning in.
[00:40:48] June Diane Raphael: Yes.
[00:40:48] Paul Scheer: I mean, I, I, I, I
[00:40:50] Jason Mantzoukas: I think that's what Sheryl Sandberg.
[00:40:51] June Diane Raphael: Like, like Sandberg said.
[00:40:55] Paul Scheer: There, there is something about that relationship though, that you, you feel good about. You feel like they, you know what? They got it together.
[00:41:02] June Diane Raphael: This movie's a great example to me of giving us some information, but not too much, and relying on the actors to build a history with just chemistry and connection. Because you did feel it, and you felt that they've been through something together, that there was, there was a lot of love and respect there, and yet also, like they're very wary of each other. I thought they did a great job.
[00:41:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, my, my favorite part. The, the, the thing that really, it, it genuinely like, not touched me, but I was like, when she says to him when they're gonna separate, and she says to him,
[00:41:40] Movie Audio: What if we don't come back?
[00:41:41] That's not gonna happen.
[00:41:43] There is no way to be sure.
[00:41:47] Yes, there is.
[00:41:48] Jason Mantzoukas: And he puts the gun on her ring finger.
[00:41:51] June Diane Raphael: Beautiful.
[00:41:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Like it's an engagement ring. He puts beautiful, the trigger cover or whatever around her finger, like a rig. I it, I loved that. I was like, this is romance. This works for me.
[00:42:02] June Diane Raphael: Same.
[00:42:02] Paul Scheer: And, and by the way, it also just goes to show you, like, I think that we live in a time where like, oh, what's the backstory? What's this? We need more exposition. This movie has none of that.
[00:42:10] June Diane Raphael: No, we don't.
[00:42:11] Paul Scheer: And, and we're, and we're just, we're just running. We're just running us running.
[00:42:15] June Diane Raphael: Trust. Trust us. Trust us. Don't, don't trust the discord, but trust us to fill in the blanks.
[00:42:20] Paul Scheer: Now did the audience, did the audience trust it? No, but that's okay. I mean, the movie did not, it was not a hit as my.
[00:42:27] June Diane Raphael: It's shocking to me, to be honest. I blamed the times.
[00:42:29] Paul Scheer: It's just too early.
[00:42:30] June Diane Raphael: I blame the times.
[00:42:31] Paul Scheer: Early.
[00:42:31] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:42:31] Paul Scheer: Early. It's like, because I think that.
[00:42:32] Jason Mantzoukas: What year?
[00:42:33] June Diane Raphael: 2007.
[00:42:33] Paul Scheer: 2007. I think after this you get movies like Shooting ACEs, right? Which was like kind of like, oh, we're doing a bigger thing. You're seeing like action that is just bigger and more bombastic. I think that that style, that John Woo style comes in and is an Americanized after this.
[00:42:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Movie. Well, and that's I, and I feel like the movie that then dominates and sets the template is Taken.
[00:42:57] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:42:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Which I think is 2009. Uh, I think somewhere around. Taken, I feel like really is like, no, our hero is stoic. His mission is unequivocally good and without, and there's no commentary. It is just a forward moving shark of a person who just kills everybody in their way so that they can rescue the helpless woman. You know?
[00:43:20] June Diane Raphael: I, I, I totally agree. I, I think that the one piece that I missed, and it's possible, I just was looking down at my notes at this time when we're in the car sequence and the baby falls out of the car after the crash and Paul Giamatti runs over and you think the baby's been destroyed and it's sort of a, a robot baby, which.
[00:43:39] Paul Scheer: Love this.
[00:43:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. It's a very realistic robot.
[00:43:41] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. Where did that, where did that baby come from?
[00:43:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Who knows?
[00:43:45] June Diane Raphael: And who made that baby?
[00:43:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Don't pull, don't pull at that string.
[00:43:48] Paul Scheer: Yeah, that one we just have to believe that.
[00:43:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Don't pull at that string and the other string not to pull at is when he goes to the gun factory. What's the gun manufacturer's name? I can't remember. He goes to basically, uh.
[00:43:59] Paul Scheer: Hammersmith.
[00:43:59] Jason Mantzoukas: He goes to the Hammersmith factory where all the bad guys are, and they're manufacturing all the guns, and he sets up like 100 booby traps full of guns. I'm like, are we to believe that the gun factory is, has loaded guns, uh, like the ready to go?
[00:44:16] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:44:16] Jason Mantzoukas: There wouldn't be any ammo in these guns.
[00:44:18] June Diane Raphael: See, I didn't even, I was so okay with that.
[00:44:21] Jason Mantzoukas: And he's, he meanwhile sets up like a home alone level series of booby traps where he's pulling marionette strings. And shoot is, it's so satisfying and it's so fun, but the minute you start pulling at it, you're like, how on earth this would've taken hours to do?
[00:44:38] June Diane Raphael: Right.
[00:44:39] Paul Scheer: Uh, apparently, and this is like a fun little side fact, uh, you know, Paul Giamatti's gone through a lot of different, uh, phases in his facial hair and, and, and, and his head, head hair. Uh, but when he did have to accept the best actor for Sideways, he was still fully in this character's hair and goatee. So when you do look at the pictures of him, like, oh, interesting choice. You didn't really clean up for the Oscars. And it was because that he was dealing with, uh.
[00:45:04] June Diane Raphael: Shooting this.
[00:45:05] Paul Scheer: This, which was a, an an and definitely an and when you look at him like, eh, it's interesting look for him.
[00:45:10] Jason Mantzoukas: And that reminds me of when Huebel had to have, have frosted tips for like two months for, um.
[00:45:17] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:45:17] Jason Mantzoukas: I Love You Man.
[00:45:18] Paul Scheer: Oh my God, that was amazing. The other thing that, uh, oh my God, there, there's so much in this.
[00:45:25] Jason Mantzoukas: I love the scene, I love the scene. I love the car chase scene and I love that he causes a head-on collision so that he can fly out of his car, into their car.
[00:45:36] June Diane Raphael: Again, sliding, Jason, sliding.
[00:45:38] Jason Mantzoukas: To slide. He slides into their van lands perfectly. He would be, he would be demolished. You know, if, if, if real physics were applied to this movie, everybody dies in the first scene, but by this time, I'm like, I love it. He, he launches into their car, shoots everyone in the car, and then is like, eh, that's why you should wear your seatbelt. He's got zingers for every line that he doesn't overstep. No, none. Even when he's doing his zingers. That's why Clive Owen, to me is perfect in this. He's not leaning into the jokes.
[00:46:09] June Diane Raphael: He is perfect.
[00:46:11] Paul Scheer: Because he's not even putting the James Bond. like that kind of swarmy? No, it's, it's, it's just clean and it's nice.
[00:46:18] And, uh, I mean, he, this man is skydiving. He does it on the, that's the other thing about this movie, like.
[00:46:24] Jason Mantzoukas: The shootout in the sky is incredible.
[00:46:28] Paul Scheer: And then that's not even the end. Like every time you're like, oh, this is a sequence where you can't top this and you can.
[00:46:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:46:33] Paul Scheer: And is it the final sequence where he does put bullets in each of the, like the divots or the, the, the.
[00:46:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. The holes in his hand.
[00:46:41] Paul Scheer: The holes in his hand. And lets them get heated up like popcorn to then assassinate the final guy. And I'm like, this, this movie.
[00:46:50] Jason Mantzoukas: And that's the, what's great about the movie is, and I suspect maybe why people wanted us to do it, is that we would say, that's ridiculous. You can't hold up a bullet to a fire and, and aim it that you wouldn't be able to do. No. The point of the movie is.
[00:47:05] Paul Scheer: It literally was something they did on MythBusters to disprove it. It's like.
[00:47:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, did they?
[00:47:09] Paul Scheer: That's not, we're doing, we're doing Looney Tunes. The man's eating a fucking carrot. He basically, he like, he is eating a carrot multiple times. Like Bugs.
[00:47:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Never ending carrots. He always is running out of ammunition and guns and everything else. He never runs out of carrots, which I love.
[00:47:25] June Diane Raphael: He must have a carrot vest under there. Yeah, maybe that's why he slides so easily. It's just like.
[00:47:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:47:30] June Diane Raphael: It's sort of flushed to his skin and it's just a vest of carrots.
[00:47:33] Jason Mantzoukas: And, and they, they, if they go this way, maybe they just roll. They're allowed to.
[00:47:37] June Diane Raphael: Interesting.
[00:47:37] Jason Mantzoukas: You know?
[00:47:37] June Diane Raphael: Interesting.
[00:47:37] Jason Mantzoukas: It's giving him the ability to roll.
[00:47:39] June Diane Raphael: By the way, you can turn orange if you eat too many carrots.
[00:47:43] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:47:43] Jason Mantzoukas: That's true. That's true.
[00:47:44] June Diane Raphael: It is true. It's true.
[00:47:46] Jason Mantzoukas: I wonder too, if we're meant to believe that part of the reason he's such a crack shot is because carrots help your eyesight.
[00:47:54] Paul Scheer: That is literally what I believe is part of it. And I think what they realized was, in the beginning it was like he has great eyesight, and then they're like, oh, this is a Loony Tunes. Like, let's lean into both. And then carrot gags are like, then he has to kill people silently. And then he is just taking that carrot and shoving it through people's heads.
[00:48:12] June Diane Raphael: I gotta say though, carrots do not taste good unskinned. It seems like he's eating carrots just in the raw.
[00:48:21] Paul Scheer: He doesn't have time.
[00:48:21] Jason Mantzoukas: You know that I only recently found out that baby carrots are just big carrots that have been carved down into small form factor.
[00:48:30] Paul Scheer: Yeah
[00:48:31] June Diane Raphael: I'm finding it out right now. What are you talking about?
[00:48:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Baby carrots are just big carrots that have been cut carved into that.
[00:48:39] Paul Scheer: Right. There's no such, such thing as a baby carrot.
[00:48:41] Jason Mantzoukas: That's not a thing that. That's not a, yeah.
[00:48:43] Paul Scheer: What's baby corn?
[00:48:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Great. I mean, I think that's just a corn varietal that is small.
[00:48:49] Paul Scheer: Wow.
[00:48:49] June Diane Raphael: Wow. Well, I'm now different now that I know this.
[00:48:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Here's my only criticism of Clive Owen and Monica Bellucci on the run parenting. I think they can come up with better than newspaper diapers.
[00:49:04] Paul Scheer: I love. Well, did you, did you see the artistry that she was doing with those newspaper diapers?
[00:49:10] Jason Mantzoukas: I, yes. Like origami level stuff. I mean, can't, don't, can't they just find cloth or paper towel? Like, I mean.
[00:49:15] June Diane Raphael: There's so many things. Take off your hat, take off that other socks.
[00:49:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Like he took off his sock. I love when he took off his sock and put it on the baby's head. On the bus.
[00:49:23] June Diane Raphael: So cute.
[00:49:23] Jason Mantzoukas: When he sees the other cute, when he sees the mother putting a hat on the baby, he's like, oh, I should be doing that. There's moments like that that are really tender and work again, because he is a great actor.
[00:49:34] June Diane Raphael: Now I did. I do think that's the only excuse for going barefoot on public transport. And I've seen people do it on airplanes and it's been very upsetting to me.
[00:49:43] Paul Scheer: Barefoot, not socks?
[00:49:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Barefoot, barefoot, barefoot. I sat next tove to a woman barefoot, like wearing, like I've seen it wearing, uh, flip flops on a plane, went into a bathroom that I knew because I had been in it, I knew was covered in piss.
[00:49:59] June Diane Raphael: Yours?
[00:50:00] Paul Scheer: Oh, and the floors are just disgusting in this.
[00:50:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Disgusting.
[00:50:02] Paul Scheer: Disgusting.
[00:50:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Disgusting.
[00:50:04] June Diane Raphael: No. Uh, I've seen so many people get on a plane in sandals and then, ugh. This one flight I was just recently on, he had sandals on very like worn down leather sandals, sat right next to me and then he took off his sandals and placed his bare fucking feet on top of them. And I was like, I am. So, I truly had to knock myself out.
[00:50:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Ooh, worse when they put their feet up on like the chair in front of them, or, you know, like up.
[00:50:30] June Diane Raphael: Oh God.
[00:50:30] Jason Mantzoukas: So that they're like on display. I don't need to see your stinky ass logs while you're on the plane. Put it away.
[00:50:38] June Diane Raphael: Put it away.
[00:50:40] Paul Scheer: Put it away, people.
[00:50:41] Jason Mantzoukas: I'm a, I'm like.
[00:50:42] Paul Scheer: Respect yourself.
[00:50:43] Jason Mantzoukas: I'm the anti Tarantino. No feet, please. Chop 'em off.
[00:50:47] June Diane Raphael: Except, except if you're Clive Owen and then you're on public transport and your baby needs a hat.
[00:50:51] Jason Mantzoukas: True.
[00:50:51] June Diane Raphael: Heat escapes outta the head so quickly.
[00:50:53] Paul Scheer: By the way, I did have a, a heart to heart with my stepmom, uh, this past week where I was describing foot fetishes. And I will say that I embraced.
[00:51:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, why was that during a heart to heart?
[00:51:02] June Diane Raphael: No.
[00:51:03] Paul Scheer: Because I was, I, we were talking about.
[00:51:05] June Diane Raphael: I heard it. I was on a phone call and I started to heard it happening in the other room, and I was like, it was actually a heart to heart Jason.
[00:51:11] Paul Scheer: Because I was trying to help her explain a lot. I was like, you know.
[00:51:14] June Diane Raphael: You can believe it. It was a heart to heart.
[00:51:16] Paul Scheer: It was a heart to heart to kind of explain how people have different, uh, sexual wants and desires, right? And yet some we put on a stoop and we say, well, that, that's made up. Or I don't know if I believe that they are that. And I'm like, well, let's look at this one. We know.
[00:51:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Sure.
[00:51:32] Paul Scheer: No's questioning the validity of this one. Which to her point was it.
[00:51:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Was she asking about the fetishes that were on display in the Monica Bellucci uh, scene?
[00:51:41] Paul Scheer: Well, yeah, she would, yeah.
[00:51:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Did she watch the movie?
[00:51:42] Paul Scheer: She, she, I think this movie would've broken her. Uh, uh, you know, uh, I, I know for a fact that, uh, she, you know, I, I feel like, uh, she didn't wanna even see Train Dreams because she thought it was gonna be a little too, too, uh.
[00:51:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, wow.
[00:51:58] Paul Scheer: You know, it was gonna be too edgy.
[00:52:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Risque.
[00:52:00] Paul Scheer: Yeah. A little risque. I don't know where I went with that, but Yeah. But.
[00:52:03] Jason Mantzoukas: I have a question. Why is there, and I wanna be clear, I'm not bothered by this at all. I don't understand why there's a tank in the city.
[00:52:13] June Diane Raphael: I had, I I thought I thought it was some display.
[00:52:15] Paul Scheer: Oh, it's in the museum.
[00:52:16] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:52:16] Paul Scheer: It's a museum. That's why. Because, because the other mother's yelling at the kid. And I love that moment too. Where.
[00:52:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:52:20] Paul Scheer: You know, uh, where he kind of comes after that mom for being abusive in the thing. Yeah. It's just in a museum. He just knows about the, the museums.
[00:52:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, okay.
[00:52:27] Paul Scheer: The museum.
[00:52:27] Jason Mantzoukas: I, I missed, I missed museum and I was just like.
[00:52:30] June Diane Raphael: I did too, but I accepted it. Again, there's lots of things I didn't, yeah, question.
[00:52:37] Paul Scheer: You can't.
[00:52:38] Jason Mantzoukas: I loved at the end of the movie, when he finds them in the, the roadside ice cream shop slash diner. That looks like a tit. The, the, the, the design of it is a boob.
[00:52:52] Like Monica Bellucci is so associated. It is a boob with cream in it, with milk, in it, with ice cream.
[00:52:58] June Diane Raphael: Oh God.
[00:52:59] Jason Mantzoukas: That's, that's like the end of the movie is also, don't worry, there's still lactating titties out here in the middle of the desert.
[00:53:06] June Diane Raphael: Oh gosh.
[00:53:07] Paul Scheer: And for a movie that I think is like, they definitely address like the, the gun as a dick.
[00:53:11] This is a movie that also really just supports the boob, you know? 'cause I mean, that is, that is the.
[00:53:16] Jason Mantzoukas: That's something I can very much get behind.
[00:53:20] June Diane Raphael: Oh God.
[00:53:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Like, like underwire. I am also here to support the boob.
[00:53:24] Paul Scheer: I mean, that, that, that line.
[00:53:27] Jason Mantzoukas: June looks, June looks so upset.
[00:53:33] June Diane Raphael: Oh God.
[00:53:34] Paul Scheer: And again, this is why we need to go on video. Um, let's talk a little bit about this movie. Just, just to give you a little bit of a, an update. 'cause I did tell you it did not make a lot of, of a lot of money at all. The, the budget of this movie, $39 million concerted budget, right?
[00:53:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Pretty good for what they do.
[00:53:55] Paul Scheer: Opening weekend, 5.4 million, made 12 million and worldwide gross only 27. It was not a hit in any way.
[00:54:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.
[00:54:05] Paul Scheer: It has a, it stands kind of right in the center on the tomato meter and the audience score both at like 65 and 67%, respectfully.
[00:54:13] Jason Mantzoukas: That is shocking to me and I'm also shocked. I'm shocked that it's, that it did so poorly and I'm also shocked that it does not currently have a like, and it is now a gigantic hit on Netflix or something.
[00:54:27] Paul Scheer: This is what I think.
[00:54:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Like a new appreciation for it. That's what we need to do.
[00:54:30] Paul Scheer: I think that we need to lead this charge because, uh, this is a movie that I think also had some weird moments associated with it, so apparently. They marketed this movie with a YouTube video, which was, uh, a bulletproof stroller. Um, and they had, uh, the video was, it was an actual.
[00:54:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, that's gotta be year one of YouTube. 2007.
[00:54:52] Paul Scheer: Well, yeah. So they, where they basically have someone with a submachine gun shooting at a stroller while a baby was inside to prove that the stroller was bulletproof. People did not get that that was funny. They thought it was real. It like, this movie kind of had that thing where people are like, it's too much gun violence. It was banned in the Uk. Like a, a billboard of them was banned, you know, it just was a movie that I think hit a lot of different weird moments where it was just not accepted.
[00:55:24] June Diane Raphael: So surprising.
[00:55:26] Paul Scheer: Yeah. And I think that people haven't seen it, 'cause I, I literally, uh, I put it on my, um, my Letterbox last night and people reached out to me. I put stuff on my Letterbox all the time. People reached out to me to say, oh my God, I love that movie. I'm glad. No one talks about.
[00:55:38] June Diane Raphael: It's so fun.
[00:55:40] Jason Mantzoukas: It's so fun and deserves to be celebrated in the same way that I feel like everybody now rallies around, like we do the Fast and Furious movies.
[00:55:50] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:55:51] Jason Mantzoukas: The completely over the top bonkers level action movies. This is that only better in many instances.
[00:55:59] June Diane Raphael: Yes.
[00:55:59] Paul Scheer: And this guy doesn't go on to make any other mo movies.
[00:56:01] June Diane Raphael: Wow.
[00:56:01] Jason Mantzoukas: That, that's it. That's, that's what I wanted to know as well, was, what else did he, 'cause this is very well done.
[00:56:08] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:56:08] Jason Mantzoukas: From a, like, this could have been a disaster, you know? 'Cause it's not, it's $39 million for this level of stuff is not a lot of money. And it looks great. It's, it's edited great. Like, great successful movie.
[00:56:21] Paul Scheer: You know, and, you know, and I was talking to again, my friend, and maybe I'm talking a little bit out of school, well, I'm not, this is not talking at school. He told me some, some things. But he was saying that like the, the thing that was a bummer was everyone's so proud of it. It's, it's a movie that they feel really good at. It kind of bombs at the, at the box office. But he was like, I would go into meetings and no one would give a shit. It would be like, oh, I was, I was the director's assistant.
[00:56:43] I pitched all this stuff, I did all this. And no, no it didn't. People did not like this movie and when you type and Shoot 'Em Up, the first question, is it a parody? People are confused. Uh.
[00:56:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh wow.
[00:56:54] Paul Scheer: And that's, and that, this is the, this is the unfortunate thing. I think that we take things at face value a little, a little too much.
[00:56:59] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, I also think the audience for these types of movies might just not get the joke.
[00:57:04] Paul Scheer: Right. Or that's or it's marketed to one person. Yeah, but it should be marketed to a different person.
[00:57:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Which is why they are like, oh no, we get it when it's Taken. Or we get it when it's Fast and Furious. But this, why is he doing What's up, doc? Like what? What? I mean, that's crazy. You know?
[00:57:19] Paul Scheer: This is, this is it. You know? So obviously we had opinions about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for Second Opinions.
[00:57:28] Music: [Second Opinions Song]
[00:57:29] Paul Scheer: Thank you so much, Wolves of Glendale. They're awesome. Uh, alright. I will tell you some second opinions because, uh, there, there's a handful. 3,702 72% are five star reviews. So Amazon gets it. Amazon's on board. Uh, Victor Collado writes, and this is one I'm gonna have to have you guys break it down for me.
[00:57:48] Um, the title is "Nice, Super Excellent."
[00:57:52] It was written, uh, in 2025.
[00:57:55] "A lot of codes in this movie. I hope many people follow. The world become better. Five stars."
[00:58:03] June Diane Raphael: Huh.
[00:58:03] Paul Scheer: A lot of codes in this movie. I hope people follow. The world become better.
[00:58:08] June Diane Raphael: The world becomes better.
[00:58:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh. Like, like, like Clive Owens codes about like, Don't
[00:58:12] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:58:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Don't hit your kid. Or.
[00:58:14] Paul Scheer: Alright, so there we go.
[00:58:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Or liking dogs. Oh. Or all his, all his kind of code of honor that he has his.
[00:58:20] Paul Scheer: Alright. Oh, I like that.
[00:58:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Because he is, he seems to me and we never find out, he seems to me to be some sort of like a samurai kind of a man without a, without a house. Without a, without a boss.
[00:58:30] Paul Scheer: Yeah. The man with no name. Like kind of Sergio Leoni kind. This one is from Randy. 2015. Randy writes,
[00:58:38] "Come on, if you're a guy, you gotta love this movie. And is there a hotter woman in the movies than Monica Bellucci?"
[00:58:47] Jason Mantzoukas: No.
[00:58:47] Paul Scheer: "I sure haven't seen one."
[00:58:50] Jason Mantzoukas: I agree.
[00:58:51] Paul Scheer: So, and uh, and it goes, uh, "Perfect guy movie. Five stars."
[00:58:56] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean, I just would say perfect movie. I don't.
[00:58:58] Paul Scheer: Yeah,
[00:58:58] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't. I don't think we need to gender it.
[00:59:00] June Diane Raphael: Guy Movie.
[00:59:00] Paul Scheer: No. And then, uh, and then finally this Amazon customer, no name given in 2022, simply titles his review "Guns" and writes,
[00:59:11] "Glad I finally watched this movie in its entirety. This was my favorite bad guy ever. I'm sick of cowardly bad guys. Five stars."
[00:59:24] His takeaway was Giamatti was not a coward.
[00:59:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh.
[00:59:28] Paul Scheer: Uh, and I would argue.
[00:59:29] Jason Mantzoukas: I, I mean, I don't necessarily think of other bad guys in other movies as cowardly. I just don't know who he's really like, Hans Gruber is not cowardly. What are we talking about?
[00:59:37] Paul Scheer: My guess like, oh, please don't kill me. Like if there's a scene like, oh, I mean, look, you know, like that kind of a.
[00:59:41] June Diane Raphael: That's interesting.
[00:59:41] Paul Scheer: This guy was like, I'm gonna go down. I don't care. I'm gonna go down. I I only have one question, which is, I understand at one point when, uh, Clive Owen used the hand dryer to burn the man's
[00:59:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh my god.
[00:59:54] Paul Scheer: Hand to drop the gun. Great sequence.
[00:59:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:59:57] Paul Scheer: In the dark fight, but then he heated up his own gun to fire. I didn't quite understand what was going on there.
[01:00:05] Jason Mantzoukas: I couldn't also, how hot do hand warmers get?
[01:00:08] Paul Scheer: Well, I think those old hair dryers that this is before you.
[01:00:10] Jason Mantzoukas: It, it looks like because they have an insert shot
[01:00:13] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[01:00:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Of what's inside and it looks like an old cigarette lighter from a car.
[01:00:17] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[01:00:18] Jason Mantzoukas: You know, it looks like there's a heated up metal coil in there that, that you could like, like truly burn yourself on. I was like, that can't be right.
[01:00:26] Paul Scheer: I, I imagine that he wasn't holding his hand that close either. That would mean that we'd all have a burning sensation when using a, a hair dryer.
[01:00:34] Jason Mantzoukas: And, and if that, and that guy's in the Secret Service, if you're telling me, this guy's enough of a pussy, that he drops his gun because his hand got a little hot. Come on.
[01:00:43] Paul Scheer: Uh, so Discord, did they do it? Did they do it right? Is the question.
[01:00:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Reluctantly. I will say well done, Discord, I guess. I mean, I still, I still would. I, I, I would disconnect it nonetheless. But, but yes. Redeemed after the disaster of. Uh, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
[01:01:03] Paul Scheer: I, I will also say June, you, we did not watch this movie together. You watched it at a different point, and that was one of my great sadnesses that I would not be able to, to see you react to it. I'm happy to hear that you liked it.
[01:01:16] June Diane Raphael: That's so sweet. Um, I, I loved it. I did have to wake up, set an alarm to watch it this morning.
[01:01:24] Paul Scheer: You watched it at what, like 9:00 AM?
[01:01:27] June Diane Raphael: No, I watched it at seven. I started at seven.
[01:01:31] Paul Scheer: Oh, you you got.
[01:01:31] Jason Mantzoukas: My God.
[01:01:32] Paul Scheer: That's why you were tired.
[01:01:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, that's so funny.
[01:01:35] Paul Scheer: 7:00 AM
[01:01:36] June Diane Raphael: I watched the movie, well first I got the kids there. I woke up at six kids ready out the door by seven.
[01:01:42] Paul Scheer: And I'm driving, so, I don't see any of this stuff.
[01:01:43] June Diane Raphael: Okay.
[01:01:44] Paul Scheer: I'm just saying, I just wanna make it seem like I was doing something too.
[01:01:50] June Diane Raphael: Out the door. They're out the door by seven, so that hour is like crazy. And then, at seven, I turned it on. I watched it, and then I said, I'm, I gotta go back to sleep. And then I, I did sleep another half hour.
[01:02:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, wow. That's what a morning. What a.
[01:02:04] June Diane Raphael: What a morning.
[01:02:04] Jason Mantzoukas: I would love to know what your dreams were like in that half hour.
[01:02:09] June Diane Raphael: Really crazy. I really, it was, it was a very messed up sleep. I mean, I don't nap and I, I always, everybody wants to tell me to take a nap. Like, I never feel better afterward. I don't believe in.
[01:02:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Why is everybody always telling you to take a nap?
[01:02:22] Paul Scheer: I'm always.
[01:02:22] June Diane Raphael: Always telling me me to take a nap.
[01:02:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Everyone?
[01:02:24] June Diane Raphael: Everyone. I mean, um.
[01:02:26] Paul Scheer: Always trying to.
[01:02:27] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, always. You are always telling me to take a nap too. And I have never felt better after a nap in my life.
[01:02:32] Jason Mantzoukas: I think that is, I think that is dismissive. Take a nap.
[01:02:35] Paul Scheer: Take a nap.
[01:02:35] Jason Mantzoukas: You know what I mean? Like nap. I don't like that. I don't like that.
[01:02:39] Paul Scheer: Uh, well, uh, Jason, you know, you liked it. I liked it. We all like it. Uh, yeah.
[01:02:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Loved, loved,
[01:02:44] June Diane Raphael: I loved it.
[01:02:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Loved it, loved it. I think this is this, again, this goes right up to the top for me in terms of movies we've done with Face Off, with Con Air. This to me is a.
[01:02:55] June Diane Raphael: Iconic.
[01:02:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Thank God this got made.
[01:02:56] June Diane Raphael: Iconic.
[01:02:57] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[01:02:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[01:02:58] Paul Scheer: And also just makes me go like, man, Clive Owen, good career. Interesting. I mean, like, he's coming off like.
[01:03:03] June Diane Raphael: What a great actor.
[01:03:05] Paul Scheer: Like he's doing like this.
[01:03:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, if Clive Owen was meant to be, he's one of those great, like almost was careers because he was maybe gonna be Bond.
[01:03:14] Paul Scheer: Right.
[01:03:15] Jason Mantzoukas: And then he has this run of movies, this being one of them. Um, the Tony Gilroy movie with Julia Roberts, Duplicity
[01:03:22] Paul Scheer: Inside Man.
[01:03:23] Jason Mantzoukas: He's got a bunch of movies in a row that just do not perform. And it just, including Children of Men.
[01:03:28] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[01:03:29] Jason Mantzoukas: That do not get him to that next level, and it's heartbreaking. I would love to see him as Parker in a, a Westlake adaptation.
[01:03:39] Paul Scheer: That, that's a great one.
[01:03:39] Jason Mantzoukas: He, to me is the perfect Parker. We need that. Please. I'm talking to you Shane
[01:03:45] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Well, we'd have to have him recast Mark Wahlberg at that point then.
[01:03:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, okay.
[01:03:48] Paul Scheer: Okay. So, um, I, I mean, I agree with you 1000000%. Like, I feel like, I think he could still get, like, you know, he could still, I mean, he was on the Knick and that people love the Knick, but that's
[01:04:01] Jason Mantzoukas: The Knick.
[01:04:02] Paul Scheer: That's 10 years old now.
[01:04:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Guys get involved with The Knick. Oh yeah.
[01:04:05] Paul Scheer: He's really, he's a, he's good. He's so good. Um.
[01:04:08] Jason Mantzoukas: He's incredible.
[01:04:09] Paul Scheer: All right, so. Any final thoughts here? Uh, I think we've, we've said everything that needs to be said, but uh, we do look to you the Discord to get into it. Like, let us know about what's happening with lactating women. Uh, you use your expertise so we don't.
[01:04:22] June Diane Raphael: Oh god. Unplug. Unplug it. Jason's, right. Disconnect it.
[01:04:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Please disconnect it.
[01:04:28] June Diane Raphael: Please disconnect.
[01:04:28] Jason Mantzoukas: The discord. What do we doing?
[01:04:30] Paul Scheer: Oh my lord. Uh, what a blast. It was to watch it.
[01:04:34] Jason Mantzoukas: Does the discord exist? Is the discord part of like the dark web?
[01:04:37] Paul Scheer: I think it is. I mean, people, it's very hard to get on. Uh, and uh.
[01:04:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Is it, do you have to get on like the silk road? How does it work?
[01:04:45] Paul Scheer: I can't say it legally. Once I admit how to get there, it's best then I, then I'm implicit. Um. Okay, got it. But yes, uh, thank you Discord. We will visit you again in a year when we give you another chance.
[01:04:58] June Diane Raphael: Oh, that's a nice, healthy, that's a healthy amount of time.
[01:05:01] Paul Scheer: Yes. That healthy time away. Uh, and as always, if you find a moment in this show that you would like to save for Howdey uh, let us know. 'cause we are collecting those in discord as well. So it'll be way easier for us to do the Howdey's instead of just deciding to do the Howdeys and then, uh, going, oh, what, what, what moments do we like?
[01:05:16] And then that, uh, then that makes us not do an episode of the Howdey for nine years. Um, okay. So, uh, that is all for now. Discord, you've done it again. That's right. Thank you for voting. Thank you for making a choice, even if it was a wrong one, because honestly, at the end of the day, we really did enjoy the movie.
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