Is this the worst animated holiday special of all time? Paul, Jason, and June brave the longest 43 minutes of their lives to find out! This week we're talkin' 1991's The Christmas Tree, a direct-to-video holiday cartoon about an orphanage owner with a gambling problem and a tree named Mrs. Hopewell. They discuss the bizarre narration, the kids who seem to be drugged with Benadryl, the Mayor's job responsibilities, Judy caring more about a tree than her missing daughter, what drives Mrs. Mavilda, Santa Claus' lightning powers, and so much more. Plus, Paul drops new childhood stories about his dryland mushing hobby and more! Watch The Christmas Tree for free on Tubi. The Deep Dive Christmas Spectacular streams live on Dec 5th! Get tix here and use code HOWDIE for $5 off.
Is this the worst animated holiday special of all time? Paul, Jason, and June brave the longest 43 minutes of their lives to find out! This week we're talkin' 1991's The Christmas Tree, a direct-to-video holiday cartoon about an orphanage owner with a gambling problem and a tree named Mrs. Hopewell. They discuss the bizarre narration, the kids who seem to be drugged with Benadryl, the Mayor's job responsibilities, Judy caring more about a tree than her missing daughter, what drives Mrs. Mavilda, Santa Claus' lightning powers, and so much more. Plus, Paul drops new childhood stories about his dryland mushing hobby and more!
Watch The Christmas Tree for free on Tubi.
The Deep Dive Christmas Spectacular streams live on Dec 5th! Get tix here and use code HOWDIE for $5 off.
[00:00:00] Paul Scheer: Finally a Christmas movie unsuitable for the entire family. We saw The Christmas Tree. So you know what that means.
[00:00:09] Music: [Intro Song]
[00:00:09] Paul Scheer: Hello people of earth and welcome to How Did This Get Made. Boy, oh boy. We got a doozy for you. Today we are talking about the 1991 animated feature, if you can call it that, The Christmas Tree coming in at a tight 45 minutes. Uh, not to be confused with the TV movie, The Christmas Tree in 1996, which was Sally Fields's directorial debut, that very different films.
[00:00:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Whoa.
[00:00:37] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Yeah. So there you go. Um.
[00:00:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Should we watch all The Christmas Trees?
[00:00:41] Paul Scheer: I would love to just really dig on in.
[00:00:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Everything called The Christmas Tree.
[00:00:45] Paul Scheer: This movie, I would recommend people watching.
[00:00:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.
[00:00:48] Paul Scheer: Because it is free on YouTube and it's only 45 minutes. But I think you.
[00:00:52] Jason Mantzoukas: And, and that's interesting. So you would say that people should watch it?
[00:00:56] Paul Scheer: I think that you, your eyes need to see it and if you say all.
[00:01:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Your eyes need to see it.
[00:01:01] Paul Scheer: Your eyes need to see it and your ears need to hear it.
[00:01:05] Jason Mantzoukas: That should be the motto of the show. Your eyes need to see it and your ears need to hear it. How Did This Get Made?
[00:01:12] Paul Scheer: Um, lemme just tell you.
[00:01:13] June Diane Raphael: Can I say something?
[00:01:13] Paul Scheer: Yeah, sure.
[00:01:14] June Diane Raphael: Because you, you everybody, this whole How Did This Get Made team is really selling me on the 45 minutes of it all. Like a lot.
[00:01:21] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:01:21] June Diane Raphael: Only 45 get ready. Only 45.
[00:01:23] Paul Scheer: Actually even 43, June
[00:01:24] June Diane Raphael: 43. 43 it's gonna be so quick. Good news. Good news. Only 43. Here's the link. 43. I felt those minutes.
[00:01:32] Jason Mantzoukas: This was interminably long.
[00:01:34] Paul Scheer: It did feel about 90. It did, I did look at the watch multiple times.
[00:01:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Do that thing where you pause it to see how much is left.
[00:01:41] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:01:41] Jason Mantzoukas: I, every time I had only gotten like three more minutes in.
[00:01:45] June Diane Raphael: That's what I say.
[00:01:45] Jason Mantzoukas: And it felt eternal.
[00:01:47] Paul Scheer: I, I was at one point. Uh, like checking my own self because I was like, wait a second.
[00:01:53] Is it not 45 minutes?
[00:01:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:01:55] Paul Scheer: 'Cause it, I, I was watching, I thought.
[00:01:56] June Diane Raphael: You all lied to me.
[00:01:57] Jason Mantzoukas: The Brutalist went by quicker.
[00:02:00] Paul Scheer: Here's, here's what I will say. Uh, I've taken more notes on a 43 minute movie than I've taken in recent memory, uh, on, on much longer films. Um.
[00:02:12] June Diane Raphael: Well, I would think the really distressing part, the, I'm sorry to interrupt Paul, but you're not, you said we were in kind of a time panic was also, 'cause about 15 minutes had gone by when the narrator announced, so let's begin our story.
[00:02:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:02:26] Paul Scheer: Wow.
[00:02:27] June Diane Raphael: That really, I was like, uh oh.
[00:02:29] Jason Mantzoukas: So much table setting for 43 minute movie in a way that I was like, I don't, and not only that, but like even now, having watched the movie in its entirety, yeah, I believe. I still am not sure the story the movie's telling. You know what I mean? Like.
[00:02:47] Paul Scheer: Oh no.
[00:02:48] Jason Mantzoukas: So little happens in the movie. In other words.
[00:02:50] Paul Scheer: Well, I mean, and yet so many things happen that are
[00:02:53] Jason Mantzoukas: That's true too.
[00:02:53] Paul Scheer: Terrifying.
[00:02:54] Jason Mantzoukas: The kids do get lost in the wilderness.
[00:02:57] Paul Scheer: Oh, a girl falls off a cliff.
[00:02:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, that's true. A bear does attack them.
[00:03:01] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:03:01] Jason Mantzoukas: They're, yeah, I guess take it back. A lot does happen.
[00:03:04] Paul Scheer: Here's what I just will, uh, say for those of you who have not seen the film, of course, that's Jason and June, uh, you, we, you don't need to introduce the show.
[00:03:12] June Diane Raphael: How dare you call this a film.
[00:03:13] Paul Scheer: Uh, well, you know, this, uh, this short, uh, if you've not seen The Christmas Tree, um, this is how IMDB describes it.
[00:03:21] "The heartless Mrs. Mavilda runs an orphanage where kids live in miserable conditions because she keeps all the donation money for herself. She hires a new assistant who, along with Santa, helps the kids finally have a Merry Christmas."
[00:03:35] Now, that very much buries the lead. We'll get into all the reasons why, but I do wanna start off with just the, the opening sequence, because this is a film that we both, we all agree, is in interminably long, but yet the narrator is rushing through it. Like the narrator is like the micro machine guy. Like here's. Like that opening narration.
[00:04:01] Movie Audio: Mrs. Mavilda was a very tricky person. She didn't really take good care of the children, but she made people think she did. For example, she had a pretty dress with bows and lace and a new pair of pants and a sweater to put on whichever child she was going to show off to the mayor.
[00:04:16] This way, every time the mayor came by, he always thought that Mrs. Mavilda was taking good care of her children. But after he left a donation collected by the townspeople for the orphanage, Mrs. Mavilda would immediately take off the child's clothes and put them away in a closet. For the mayor's next visit.
[00:04:32] Paul Scheer: That is insane. The speed in which he is reading, that is very quick.
[00:04:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Do you think that's just 'cause they, they, they were like, oh, we gotta fill the plot holes. We, we, we don't have enough anim. We don't have enough money to animate the whole movie, so we'll just have the narrator.
[00:04:46] June Diane Raphael: It's weird though, 'cause at times I did feel like the voices were being sped up.
[00:04:51] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Right.
[00:04:51] June Diane Raphael: And then there were times I felt like the voices were being slowed down.
[00:04:54] Jason Mantzoukas: And the scenes felt like the scene is over. The scene has been over, yeah. For minutes.
[00:04:59] June Diane Raphael: Some time.
[00:05:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Why are we still in it? What's, what is this?
[00:05:03] Paul Scheer: They didn't, animation is expensive. Um, the opening sequence shows you just how cheap this movie is because as they're flipping through this Christmas book, it looks like sections of the book are redacted.
[00:05:14] It's like the Epstein files in book form. It's like they're not even fake texts. And when they finally land on the Christmas tree story, the story that we are about to hear, it's a blank page. It, there's not even a semblance of writing on this page at all. And I was like, that seems like easy animation. You don't have to move it.
[00:05:32] Jason Mantzoukas: It's also shocking to me, and I mean this. Truly shocking. When you said 1991.
[00:05:38] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:05:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Because this is 1970s or 80s level animation and voice work. This looks like the kind of movie that I would have watched as a child around Christmas.
[00:05:49] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:05:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Simply because it was on tv. Pre VCR.
[00:05:53] June Diane Raphael: Pre-Choice, you know?
[00:05:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. When there was only four channels, plus three, you know, UHF channels, you watched shit like this because it, whatever it was there.
[00:06:03] June Diane Raphael: Whatever it was on.
[00:06:03] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:06:03] June Diane Raphael: Now I just wanna talk about the basic, the premise of the movie.
[00:06:08] Paul Scheer: Sure.
[00:06:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:06:08] June Diane Raphael: And 'cause I actually don't think that that logline from IMDB got got to the heart of the matter, which is really about this tree named Mrs. Hopewell.
[00:06:21] Paul Scheer: Oh boy. This is, I will say that this is probably the thing that upsets me the most about this movie, that these orphans are so longing for companionship. Even though they have each other.
[00:06:31] Jason Mantzoukas: They, yeah.
[00:06:32] June Diane Raphael: That's what I wanted to talk about actually, Paul. That right there. They describe this tree as their only friend, as the only the branches being the arms that wrapped around them. The tree being a place where they could finally connect. Now they all seem like nice kids. They never turn to each other.
[00:06:52] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:06:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Not only that, not only do they never turn to each other, find solace in each other, find a community with each other. They're putting it so much on the tree that when the center, the, I would say the central threat in the movie is the chainsaw to the tree. During this scene, there is a missing little girl in the wilderness.
[00:07:17] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:07:17] Jason Mantzoukas: She has been. She is gone.
[00:07:19] June Diane Raphael: She just, her brother has announced she's gone.
[00:07:20] Jason Mantzoukas: We care more about the tree somehow.
[00:07:23] June Diane Raphael: As does her mother, Jason.
[00:07:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. Yes.
[00:07:25] June Diane Raphael: Her mother stays for that scene.
[00:07:28] Jason Mantzoukas: How dare you, Judy.
[00:07:28] June Diane Raphael: Instead. Instead going to find
[00:07:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:07:30] June Diane Raphael: Instead of going to find her child.
[00:07:31] Paul Scheer: I will say for eagle eye viewers. When the chainsaw is pulled out, Lily, the missing girl is in the crowd of children, so she,
[00:07:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh God.
[00:07:41] Paul Scheer: So it like, don't be, don't be alarmed. They might have run out of some animation cells.
[00:07:46] They had to use the one where Lily is in it, even though technically in that part of the story she is missing.
[00:07:51] Jason Mantzoukas: I wonder if this was a feature length made as a feature length movie then was cut down to this because then I would understand it's choppiness.
[00:07:59] Paul Scheer: There's only one version.
[00:08:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.
[00:08:01] Paul Scheer: And it premiered direct to video in September of 91. It played on the USA network a handful of times. Uh, and it re aired in 92 and 93. Um, and it was picked up by some small, independent Christian television stations.
[00:08:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Of course, of course.
[00:08:17] June Diane Raphael: Of course. Well, that, that's okay. Okay. So just to go back to the story for a second, Mrs. McVilda. Whatever her name is.
[00:08:24] Paul Scheer: Mavilda. Not a real name. Mavilda is a kind of Portuguese for evil and wicked.
[00:08:30] June Diane Raphael: Okay.
[00:08:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.
[00:08:30] June Diane Raphael: So, Mrs. Mavilda is taking the money that the mayor is giving her to run this orphanage. 'cause he, she's dressing the kids up very nicely when he arrives, and so he thinks everything's great and gives her, you know, bags of cash.
[00:08:45] Paul Scheer: Two big bags.
[00:08:47] June Diane Raphael: Big bags of cash. I was also interested in the portrayal of the mayor. Like, not usually seen as like generous.
[00:08:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:08:52] June Diane Raphael: You know.
[00:08:53] Paul Scheer: Well, the mayor is running the town because when two people arrive in town, they go if you need a job.
[00:08:59] June Diane Raphael: Straight to the mayor's office. Straight to the mayor's office. But, but Mrs. Mavilda, she's using that cash.
[00:09:06] This is what I was fascinated by. This choice not on herself to buy, you know, luxury items to buy herself. Beautiful clothing to, I guess she is eating well. We see that scene of her at the dinner table with a giant turkey, but she's mainly using that cash to bet on card games. To play cards.
[00:09:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. She's gambling. Yep.
[00:09:28] June Diane Raphael: She's gambling with it. But she does, I guess my point is she doesn't seem to be doing well at it.
[00:09:36] Jason Mantzoukas: No, she's a bad gambler.
[00:09:37] June Diane Raphael: She's a bad.
[00:09:38] Jason Mantzoukas: She loses the money. No, I mean like, you know, like no wonder she's still running the orphanage after all these years.
[00:09:43] June Diane Raphael: But what an interesting choice though. You rarely see a female gambler.
[00:09:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep. True.
[00:09:47] June Diane Raphael: We're not, that's usually not our vice.
[00:09:49] Jason Mantzoukas: True.
[00:09:50] Paul Scheer: Well, here's what I'll say. I feel like she was losing to torture the children. Like her losses were so egregious 'cause she's like, you know what? I don't care. They'll go hungry.
[00:10:03] June Diane Raphael: Paul, really?
[00:10:04] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Because at one point she puts in all the money, she goes all.
[00:10:06] Movie Audio: Here, goes the children's money again.
[00:10:09] Paul Scheer: She's enjoying putting the money forward. 'cause she's like, it's, it's fun money.
[00:10:13] Jason Mantzoukas: But I don't think she wants to lose money. Yeah. I, I agree with you. She's not taking it seriously. She's enjoying the game, but I don't think she's trying to lose it so that she doesn't have to spend it on them. But I am curious that she doesn't want to keep it for herself. She just, she wants that thrill of the game.
[00:10:28] Paul Scheer: I'm also freaked out about this house that she lives in because the house.
[00:10:31] Jason Mantzoukas: It's a nice house.
[00:10:32] Paul Scheer: Seemingly the, well it's, it looks like a nice house. She has a bedroom that looks like it's maybe in a mansion that would be on like, you know, a very, you know, like a a, a Bravo show and, and her office also shining, but then the kids live in abject filth, like wooden floors.
[00:10:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:10:49] June Diane Raphael: Well, I think, here's the question. I guess, and I'm deadass right now when I say this dead ass, okay.
[00:10:55] Paul Scheer: I love this.
[00:10:55] June Diane Raphael: Here's the question.
[00:10:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:10:57] June Diane Raphael: If she didn't have a gambling addiction.
[00:11:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Mm-hmm.
[00:11:01] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:11:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Mm-hmm.
[00:11:02] June Diane Raphael: Would she be taking care of the children?
[00:11:06] Jason Mantzoukas: No.
[00:11:06] June Diane Raphael: Meaning which comes? Okay. But really think about it. Think about through the framework of just like, through the lens of this is a story about addiction.
[00:11:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.
[00:11:15] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:11:16] June Diane Raphael: Okay.
[00:11:16] Paul Scheer: Oh, wait, you, no, you're giving this movie way too much credit, I think. I think that you're saying.
[00:11:20] Jason Mantzoukas: But do you think she took the job at the orphanage in order to have access to petty cash?
[00:11:25] June Diane Raphael: And that's what I'm saying.
[00:11:26] Jason Mantzoukas: That she can use to fuel her gambling.
[00:11:28] June Diane Raphael: What, who would she be like.
[00:11:29] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't think she started out a good orphanage runner. You know, um, what's, uh, you know, this, she's like, what's the, what's the villain's name in Annie Carol Burnett. Burnett. Jesus. Wow. That was wild. Anyway, you know this. How come, lemme ask you this. How come we don't make orphan content anymore? How come we don't?
[00:11:48] June Diane Raphael: That's a great question.
[00:11:49] Jason Mantzoukas: How come, how come we don't seem to care? There, let's be clear, there are certainly so many orphans, but we don't make any modern content set in orphanages about orphans. That's about the plight of orphans that is aimed, let me be very clear at children.
[00:12:05] June Diane Raphael: Well, to be honest, a part of that is 'cause there aren't really any American or we. It's a foster care system.
[00:12:12] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Right.
[00:12:12] June Diane Raphael: And it's deeply, deeply flawed. And we for sure fund foster care instead of like funding services for biological parents to actually be able to keep their children. That's a fucked up system in and of itself.
[00:12:24] Paul Scheer: Well, here's what I'll say. I feel like orphan movies went through this kind of like euphoria occasion. Like, you know, like everything in Euphoria is like through the mind of a 30-year-old man who is not in high school. And I feel like everything we know about orphan movies are through like Hollywood writers who just saw something ages ago.
[00:12:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Is it Orphoria?
[00:12:44] Paul Scheer: Orphoria.
[00:12:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Our pitch is, it's, it's Euphoria, but with orps and for orphans.
[00:12:49] Paul Scheer: Yeah. 'cause I do think that like what we have been building on is this idea of what an orphanage is. Just a bunch of kids running around in ragged clothes.
[00:12:58] Jason Mantzoukas: This movie feels like it's set in the thirties.
[00:13:00] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:13:01] Jason Mantzoukas: You know?
[00:13:01] June Diane Raphael: Well that's what's so wild. I mean, I do think that the other trouble. The other trouble the movie has is the tree.
[00:13:08] Paul Scheer: Which do we think that this movie was in 91? No. Right. It can't be in 91.
[00:13:12] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't know what. Oh, the cars are old.
[00:13:14] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:13:15] June Diane Raphael: Oh yeah.
[00:13:15] Jason Mantzoukas: The cars are old.
[00:13:16] Paul Scheer: And, and she is wearing a headscarf.
[00:13:18] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. To me the, the trouble is also that, that Mrs. Hopewell, the tree. We never get to really see them connect with this tree.
[00:13:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Can I ask you a question?
[00:13:29] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:13:29] June Diane Raphael: Sure.
[00:13:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Where's Mr. Hopewell? Like are we to presume this tree is married?
[00:13:35] Paul Scheer: Right? You're right. It is a missus.
[00:13:36] June Diane Raphael: Well, where's Mr. Mavilda?
[00:13:39] Paul Scheer: Well miss. But that, but yeah. Right. 'cause she's a missus as well.
[00:13:42] June Diane Raphael: Maybe Mr. Hope Tree and Mr. Mavilda ran off together.
[00:13:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Whoa, whoa.
[00:13:49] Paul Scheer: Can I just say one thing about the tree and I, I hope you guys don't come down too hard on me on this. I didn't find the tree to be that interesting.
[00:13:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Tree sucked.
[00:13:56] Paul Scheer: Yeah. The tree was not an in, like if.
[00:13:59] Jason Mantzoukas: The tree didn't have any per personality.
[00:14:02] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:14:02] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:14:03] Paul Scheer: Give me like a peanuts level, like bad christmas tree that then Santa at the end will sprinkle some things on it and it grows out and it's a beautiful tree and we all are like, oh my God.
[00:14:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh wow. Great. That's a great pitch. A tree that represents the orphans themselves.
[00:14:18] Paul Scheer: Exactly.
[00:14:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Kind of down on its luck and ragged the way that they do in Charlie Brown. Great point.
[00:14:22] Paul Scheer: And then Mrs. Mavilda be like, why do you like that tree? It's disgusting. It's eyesore.
[00:14:26] Jason Mantzoukas: By the way, great Mavilda.
[00:14:27] Paul Scheer: Thank you. I've been working on it and I did not get the part. Um uh.
[00:14:32] Jason Mantzoukas: But you might be maybe hold out hope for Mr. Mavilda in the sequel.
[00:14:35] Paul Scheer: Oh, I would love it. Oh, I'd love it.
[00:14:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh my God. At the end of the movie, when Mrs. Mavilda get first gets electrocuted by light, hit struck by lightning.
[00:14:43] Paul Scheer: Yep.
[00:14:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Then is fine. Then goes to work as Judy's assistant in the orphanage. And the line is,
[00:14:48] Movie Audio: Well, don't worry about Mrs. Mavilda. She's good now.
[00:14:52] Jason Mantzoukas: This woman has tortured these children and now still is in charge of them. But don't worry, she's good now?
[00:14:58] Paul Scheer: But by the way, she's good now. She learned that you always win when you are good. Yeah. Wait, what? She never was good.
[00:15:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Why is it still about winning?
[00:15:06] Paul Scheer: And why is she working at an orphanage where all the kids have been adopted?
[00:15:10] June Diane Raphael: Well, I have to say that that's true. They seem to just live there. So I don't know.
[00:15:14] Paul Scheer: Kids like reckless to adopt that many kids in one scoop.
[00:15:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. They adopt seven kids and they have two more. But you know what? This town is gonna keep producing orphans.
[00:15:23] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:15:24] Jason Mantzoukas: So what are they gonna do?
[00:15:24] June Diane Raphael: But I did think, but I did think that that was pretty bold of Judy's husband who had been away in the, in the mines? In the field somewhere.
[00:15:32] Paul Scheer: Although he came back looking crystal clear, like, I mean he, like.
[00:15:35] June Diane Raphael: He did, but I mean like to come back to take a look around. And then say we now have nine kids. Like can we have a.
[00:15:42] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Which is by the wrong math, a conversation. Just so you know. Uh, when he tells.
[00:15:48] June Diane Raphael: It did seem like a lot, Paul.
[00:15:48] Paul Scheer: Yeah. So he said she'll be helping raise their nine children. They already have two. Yeah, so they're adding five orphans, so it'd be seven total.
[00:15:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, okay.
[00:15:56] Paul Scheer: Like, so there was, there was, again Ray, Ray is not.
[00:15:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Well plus Licorice the dog. And Mrs. Hopewell, the tree. I'm sure he's counting those as their children.
[00:16:06] Paul Scheer: By the way, Hopewell felt far away enough from the orphanage house that it didn't seem like Mavilda would have like jurisdiction over that tree. It wasn't like a front yard tree.
[00:16:17] June Diane Raphael: You don't think it was on a property line?
[00:16:18] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:16:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. I would've loved it. I would've loved a scene where they go to city hall and they get actual, the actual property lines laid out.
[00:16:26] Paul Scheer: Well, they do get into that at the end of the movie. They go, and technically the mayor says that this tree now is public property. And it's like, oh, we don't have to get into, we don't have to get into like the logistics, uh, of, of who can chop down a tree? Oh my God.
[00:16:42] June Diane Raphael: I don't even know.
[00:16:47] Paul Scheer: I mean, this mayor seemingly is very involved. This mayor is giving out jobs. The mayor looks at you, goes, you can work in the mine. You can go work in the orphanage and you can bring your kids there. And like the mayor.
[00:16:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Why? I couldn't, why does, why does Judy and her two children, the only blondes in this town, why do they have to live in the orphanage? Why can't they live in their own home?
[00:17:08] Paul Scheer: Well, because the money isn't coming in yet.
[00:17:10] June Diane Raphael: Forward. Yeah. So then she is working off, she's basically working for that room. I mean, I, I struggle with Judy as a mom because she, well, obviously she doesn't like go after her, her daughter, when it's reported that she's missing. But she also. She doesn't seem to take the kids seriously when they are trying to tell her like, something's very wrong.
[00:17:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:17:38] Paul Scheer: Yeah. She.
[00:17:39] June Diane Raphael: She's very wrong here.
[00:17:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. This, it feel, again, it feels like, I would say, uh, 1991, still shocking because this feels like 1970s parenting.
[00:17:49] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:17:50] June Diane Raphael: Exactly.
[00:17:50] Jason Mantzoukas: You know what I mean? The, it, it has the vibe of like, I don't wanna hear from you. Like when the, when Mrs. Mavilda says to Judy, you have to do this, you have to do this, you have to do this, and then at the end of the day, you can see your children for 30 minutes. Judy's like, that's plenty.
[00:18:06] June Diane Raphael: Got it.
[00:18:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Judy, that's plenty. And if, if anything, maybe too much.
[00:18:10] Paul Scheer: Judy does not react at all when this says, and your children will be treated as orphans.
[00:18:17] June Diane Raphael: She was like, copy.
[00:18:18] Paul Scheer: Yeah, she got it.
[00:18:19] June Diane Raphael: Why, by the way, why did I have to sleep in there?
[00:18:22] Paul Scheer: It also seems like the orphans aren't being put through any rigorous schedule. Like it seems like they're gonna be bumping into each other a lot. Like, I mean.
[00:18:29] June Diane Raphael: It's quite a bit.
[00:18:30] Paul Scheer: You know, put here quite a bit with.
[00:18:31] Jason Mantzoukas: What happens with Mrs. Mavilda's plan to frame Judy for stealing.
[00:18:36] Paul Scheer: I was just about.
[00:18:37] Jason Mantzoukas: From the guy. There's a whole thing that gets put in motion that I kind of didn't then track.
[00:18:42] June Diane Raphael: Well, I think that's put in motion so that the kids can escape to try to get to Santa, to have Santa solve their problems. But, but basically there's the.
[00:18:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Those kids would freeze to death. So immediately, so quick.
[00:18:52] June Diane Raphael: Yes. Immediate immediately dead.
[00:18:53] Paul Scheer: Well, the plan changes twice, right? 'Cause it's first the kids are gonna go see the mayor, to talk to the mayor and say, Hey.
[00:19:00] June Diane Raphael: Then, Paul, it's after business hours. 'Cause someone did know how to get to the mayor's office.
[00:19:05] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:19:05] June Diane Raphael: Because of course they had been there the first day.
[00:19:07] Paul Scheer: And this is all happening on Christmas Eve.
[00:19:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep.
[00:19:10] June Diane Raphael: But then they realize, I did laugh at this. Then the kids, these kids, these hungry kids realize it's after business hours. It's EOB, End of business. And the, the mayor, this is how locked in this community is with the mayor. They know the mayor's already on the way home.
[00:19:31] Paul Scheer: And the mayor lives way out in the country. The mayor lives far way out.
[00:19:34] June Diane Raphael: Which by the way, why so far away?
[00:19:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. It'd be so much easier to go to where Santa lives.
[00:19:40] Paul Scheer: Right. And this is not a community that seemingly is set in Alaska. Like I would say this is probably Minnesota. Like let's just say like, it's a very, you know, it's a, it's a suburban rural.
[00:19:49] Jason Mantzoukas: But we've all seen Alone. They are in conditions that are brutal.
[00:19:53] June Diane Raphael: Absolutely.
[00:19:54] Jason Mantzoukas: These kids are out there with no sweaters on, no hats. They're chitchatting away. They get chased by a bear. A bear that I'm gonna say is three stories tall. The bear is so big.
[00:20:06] June Diane Raphael: Oh, totally.
[00:20:07] Paul Scheer: I mean, here's the thing that I'm gonna say about that big bear. I think that these kids not knowing jack shit about anything helps them because yeah, at a certain point, uh, the mom, uh, has to explain what Santa Claus and Christmas is. Like, the kids have.
[00:20:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:20:22] Paul Scheer: No idea what that is. So I guess I'm starting to look at the kids and being like, they have been, have you ever heard that story where, um, parents, uh, only taught Klingon to their son and then like Child Protective Services came in and like they had to take the child away because the parents were just intent on only teaching Klingon.
[00:20:40] June Diane Raphael: Sick.
[00:20:41] Jason Mantzoukas: So what, wait a minute.
[00:20:43] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:20:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait a minute. Were they Star Fleet officers? The parents?
[00:20:46] Paul Scheer: Were they they were, they were, they were part-time Klingon cosplayers.
[00:20:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Were they assigned into, were they Oh, wow, wow, wow.
[00:20:51] Paul Scheer: Yeah. So they were cosplayers who, you know, look, I went to ComicCon one time and I watched a Klingon play, uh, play out in, uh, ComicCon, and it was great. And they were all in a Klingon language doing a, you know, a, a piece of a piece of Klingon literature. Uh, but, uh, you know, so I I, so the, so that to me feels like these kids have no idea what's going on. So they're like, yeah, trees are people I didn't know about Santa. And when their bear comes to me, I think that they look at that bear like Licorice. Oh, it's another dog. It's a big dog.
[00:21:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Big dog.
[00:21:26] Paul Scheer: Like, they're not, like, they don't know.
[00:21:28] Jason Mantzoukas: I'll be honest, I was rooting for the bear. I was rooting for the bear.
[00:21:32] June Diane Raphael: A little bit too.
[00:21:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Just because I was like, you're to come out here like this is so irresponsible.
[00:21:37] Paul Scheer: I just felt bad that the bear had no Christmas Eve plans.
[00:21:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:21:40] June Diane Raphael: Did anybody wonder what happened with that giant accident that stopped Judy on the road from getting to pick up the package?
[00:21:48] Jason Mantzoukas: What, yeah.
[00:21:48] June Diane Raphael: Where she was gonna be framed? Like what?
[00:21:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Judy, what is that all about?
[00:21:53] Paul Scheer: Judy, I, I have issues with Judy as well because at one point, like the kids are not speaking and Judy's like, Hey, hey, settle down. I'm like. They are settled.
[00:22:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:22:01] Paul Scheer: No one's speaking.
[00:22:02] June Diane Raphael: Listen.
[00:22:02] Paul Scheer: It's completely silent.
[00:22:04] June Diane Raphael: I wanna a little respect on Judy's name, though. I was deeply impressed with judy.
[00:22:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, wait a minute.
[00:22:09] June Diane Raphael: Let's put some respect on her name.
[00:22:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Just moments ago.
[00:22:12] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:22:12] Jason Mantzoukas: You were dragging Judy's name through the mud.
[00:22:16] June Diane Raphael: I know, but I re then I remembered how absolutely intrepid Judy was when she built that swing and that platform, the slide platform. Whatever that, that slide.
[00:22:28] Paul Scheer: !Yeah, I have issues with that slide. A wooden slide, splinters in the butt.
[00:22:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:22:33] Paul Scheer: I, I feel like that's.
[00:22:34] June Diane Raphael: Okay, but like they had, they didn't have anything there.
[00:22:36] Paul Scheer: No, she was very good.
[00:22:36] June Diane Raphael: Like that was real. Now, where'd that stuff go? Did Mrs. Mavilda to tear it down?
[00:22:41] Jason Mantzoukas: She wanted to I think so, yeah. That she didn't like that it was there. She was.
[00:22:44] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. But when she goes to put a chain saw to it, I don't think it's there.
[00:22:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. It doesn't, it doesn't appear as though those animated elements were included in the wide shot.
[00:22:53] Paul Scheer: I, I have a feeling that they had a daylight scene of the slide and the swing, but that the climax took place at night, so they were like, could not bring it over. Yeah.
[00:23:02] June Diane Raphael: Hold on one second. Are we, are we to understand that Santa sent the lightning to strike Mrs. Mavilda?
[00:23:11] Jason Mantzoukas: That's a, and didn't we all think that the lightning was gonna bring the tree to life? Or am I the only one?
[00:23:18] Paul Scheer: I thought I didn't, that there would be like, yes. Like I almost felt like if the lightning was going to make Mrs. Hopewell come to life and be like, I will now run the orphanage. Not like something Judy would take over.
[00:23:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes, there was, I felt like there was so much import placed on the tree and Mrs. Hopewell and its protection. It, the, the tree was personified so much for the children that it seemed to me at some point it must become sentient. It must, it must become the thing the kids are saying it is. And in fact, Judy becomes that thing. I believe it's not Mrs. Hopewell. Judy becomes Mrs. Hopewell for them. She becomes their advocate. But why does the tree still get all the fucking credit?
[00:24:01] Paul Scheer: Well, the tree gets a lot of credit, but I also think that something's weird with Santa. I do think that the Santa that we meet.
[00:24:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Go on.
[00:24:08] Paul Scheer: Because, okay. First of all, Santa is a very different animation style than anything else in the movie.
[00:24:13] June Diane Raphael: That's very true.
[00:24:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, it does seem like it.
[00:24:16] June Diane Raphael: That was clip art put in there.
[00:24:17] Jason Mantzoukas: It does seem like it's borrowed from maybe another, uh.
[00:24:20] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:24:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Another movie.
[00:24:21] Paul Scheer: And he, I think the way that he looks at everyone in this town is very sexual. I think that he has like a glimmer in his eye.
[00:24:29] June Diane Raphael: What Paul, and I'm not gonna lie to you, I did. We don't see what happened with Lily and Santa and where he found her, what that scene was, what happened there.
[00:24:39] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:24:40] June Diane Raphael: But when he appeared with her, I feel like the movie, we wanted to feel like, oh my gosh, Santa found her and dropped her off. And where my mind went was like. What the fuck?
[00:24:51] Paul Scheer: Yeah. What's going on here?
[00:24:51] June Diane Raphael: What the fuck happened?
[00:24:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, we don't get really, we don't get almost any time with Santa. So he's so just deus ex machina kind of dropped at the very, very, very end.
[00:25:05] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:25:05] Jason Mantzoukas: That it kind of is like, wait, who the fuck is this guy?
[00:25:07] Paul Scheer: And yet he is saved this little girl, but he doesn't say, I saved her. She didn't fall off the cliff. She fell into my sleigh. Nope.
[00:25:14] June Diane Raphael: He didn't say shit. He's like, I gotta go.
[00:25:16] Paul Scheer: Gotta go.
[00:25:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:25:17] Paul Scheer: I got these parachutes attached to my presents.
[00:25:20] June Diane Raphael: I gotta get the fuck outta here. There was something very strange.
[00:25:22] Jason Mantzoukas: I gotta gotta get the fuck outta here before the cops arrived.
[00:25:25] June Diane Raphael: Yes.
[00:25:25] Jason Mantzoukas: And if they ask any questions, no presents next year.
[00:25:29] Paul Scheer: I'm worse than Mrs. Mavilda. That's what I think was really going on. Maybe he's Mr. Mavilda.
[00:25:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, that would be cool.
[00:25:35] Paul Scheer: I would've like that.
[00:25:36] June Diane Raphael: Did anybody else question why? After we have been told over and over, these kids don't have anything. They don't have dolls, they don't have any toys like. Why didn't they ever play with the sled that was outside?
[00:25:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:25:52] Paul Scheer: Well, you're obsessed with sleds. You both are. You guys bought into that?
[00:25:55] June Diane Raphael: I love sleds.
[00:25:55] Jason Mantzoukas: The sleds were like the greatest things.
[00:25:58] June Diane Raphael: That's what I'm saying. That's the most fun thing you could have.
[00:26:02] Paul Scheer: In a town full of snow.
[00:26:02] Jason Mantzoukas: It's basically a snow car. You basically had the ability to go fast.
[00:26:07] June Diane Raphael: Yes. It's, it could be a child's entire winter.
[00:26:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:26:12] June Diane Raphael: One sled.
[00:26:12] Jason Mantzoukas: It, it's an, it's independence.
[00:26:14] June Diane Raphael: Absolutely.
[00:26:14] Jason Mantzoukas: I could ride my sled to other towns, I could ride my sled.
[00:26:17] June Diane Raphael: It's freedom.
[00:26:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Up and down the coast.
[00:26:19] Paul Scheer: Wait, hold on one second. Wait a second here. This is just an, now I had a dog sled. I attach dogs to it and we would run, we would run, uh, much to my parents' chagrin. Um, but uh, like this, they feel like they're.
[00:26:31] June Diane Raphael: Seriously Paul?
[00:26:32] Paul Scheer: Oh yeah. What? We had.
[00:26:37] June Diane Raphael: You had a dog sled?
[00:26:39] Paul Scheer: We had a dog sled. Like, not like, um, it was, we had.
[00:26:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, like an Iditarod? No, no, no, no, no.
[00:26:44] Paul Scheer: Well we had, we had.
[00:26:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Whatcha talking about?
[00:26:46] Paul Scheer: Alright, so we had two sleds. One was much more of a, uh, a metal. So it had, uh, two wheels in the back.
[00:26:54] Uh, a little platform that you, you stood on and then handlebars and you attached dogs to the front, and then they would take off. Uh, there was a wheel in the front too. So that was the non snow one. That was the one for.
[00:27:06] Jason Mantzoukas: This is not real.
[00:27:07] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:27:07] Jason Mantzoukas: You didn't have this.
[00:27:08] Paul Scheer: Oh, a hundred percent. So it was like bicycle handle. So it was like.
[00:27:12] Jason Mantzoukas: I'm gonna need photos.
[00:27:14] Paul Scheer: I wish. Yeah. Uh, it was like a dog.
[00:27:16] Jason Mantzoukas: So you, that's like a dog sled train that's like an out of season training sled for Iditarod dogs. Right?
[00:27:22] Paul Scheer: Right. Yeah. I would imagine.
[00:27:23] Jason Mantzoukas: And so forth.
[00:27:24] Paul Scheer: I mean, as far as I knew, I just hooked the dogs up to it and they would run and I could, and if by when I turned the handle.
[00:27:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.
[00:27:30] Paul Scheer: Um, you know, and so, uh, you know, so then I would, I would hook 'em up to it and they would run with me, uh, uh, and then, you know, and I would take them around the neighborhood. I'm looking right now on some websites, and I'm seeing it right here. Uh, I will, I will kind of show you exactly what it was.
[00:27:44] Jason Mantzoukas: There's no. Whatcha, whatcha talking? There's no way we done the show for 15 years.
[00:27:50] June Diane Raphael: That's what I'm saying.
[00:27:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Years. And we're just finding out that you had Iditarod style dog sled in Long Island, New York.
[00:27:57] Paul Scheer: Uh, I'll show you a picture of it right here.
[00:27:59] Jason Mantzoukas: What on earth is happening?
[00:28:00] Paul Scheer: Sorry. Here, hold on one second. I'm gonna share my screen.
[00:28:03] June Diane Raphael: Are you serious, Paul?
[00:28:03] Paul Scheer: Okay. Yeah. Here it is. That's what I had.
[00:28:05] Jason Mantzoukas: What?
[00:28:06] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:28:08] Jason Mantzoukas: How do?
[00:28:09] June Diane Raphael: Can you make it bigger?
[00:28:09] Jason Mantzoukas: You had enough dogs for this?
[00:28:11] June Diane Raphael: Can you please make it bigger?
[00:28:12] Paul Scheer: Yeah, we, uh, let see if I can, sorry.
[00:28:13] June Diane Raphael: That looks like fun. I'm not gonna lie.
[00:28:15] Paul Scheer: Oh, there we go. Sorry. I'm gonna make it bigger right here.
[00:28:17] Jason Mantzoukas: No, I get it. But did you have huskies?
[00:28:20] Paul Scheer: No, we had, uh, pointers, uh, which were like hunting dogs. So yeah, that was exact, that's exactly it. It's, it, it's like, it, it almost looks like a tricycle that you attach dogs to.
[00:28:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. No, no. I get it. I get it. I'm just like, I don't can't.
[00:28:33] Paul Scheer: I'm explaining it for the people who can't see.
[00:28:34] Jason Mantzoukas: I can't rectify. I, I, I, I, I can't, I can't make it make sense. For.
[00:28:40] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:28:41] Jason Mantzoukas: I guess.
[00:28:41] June Diane Raphael: And did anyone question you? You're riding around in that thing and did anyone say like, whoa, whoa, what buddy? What's this?
[00:28:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Hey, hey, little guys.
[00:28:51] June Diane Raphael: Sweetie, sweetie. Hold up. Hold up. Stop the dog. What's going on?
[00:28:55] Paul Scheer: I would, I would attach the dogs to it to impress my sitter, like my babysitter, like who was often a high school girl to show her that I could control the dogs.
[00:29:03] Jason Mantzoukas: You, you, you got the pointers for the sitter?
[00:29:06] Paul Scheer: Well, I, I didn't get the pointers for the sitter, but I would like say like, Hey, you know.
[00:29:09] Jason Mantzoukas: You hook up the pointers just for the sitter.
[00:29:11] Paul Scheer: By the way, what they call this, according to what I'm seeing online is dry land mushing.
[00:29:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Okay.
[00:29:17] Paul Scheer: So that's what I was doing. I was doing dry land mushing.
[00:29:19] Okay. Which I'm sure I'm sure made the sitter absolutely soaking wet.
[00:29:25] June Diane Raphael: My God.
[00:29:25] Jason Mantzoukas: What on earth is happening?
[00:29:27] June Diane Raphael: I am absolutely stunned.
[00:29:30] Jason Mantzoukas: I can't accept this.
[00:29:31] June Diane Raphael: I really hope we post that picture.
[00:29:33] Jason Mantzoukas: New information.
[00:29:34] June Diane Raphael: No, that's really the craziest thing I've ever heard.
[00:29:36] Jason Mantzoukas: When, so is this the same era? Because to have that, you have to have, uh, open space to ride around in, is this the same era where you had horses?
[00:29:47] Paul Scheer: Yes. Oh, a hundred percent. Yeah. We had, we had a dog run behind the barn and that's where the pointers lived outside. And the, that was like, yeah, so I would be cleaning the dog run. So I would go in there and, you know, take the shovel and clean up the poop and everything and hose it all down.
[00:30:00] Jason Mantzoukas: What, what year was this?
[00:30:01] Paul Scheer: I mean, this is all.
[00:30:02] Jason Mantzoukas: It sounds like you're describing the teens, the 19 teens.
[00:30:08] Paul Scheer: I mean, you know, look.
[00:30:09] Jason Mantzoukas: It was my job to go around the back of the, uh, of the stables and feed the dogs.
[00:30:13] Paul Scheer: I mean, I had to get salt so we could have up salt licks. I had to get the salt licks for the horses, and I had to make sure that I put the hay in there. I had to put more hay in their kennels during the winter. So they had a warmth.
[00:30:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Of course.
[00:30:25] Paul Scheer: You know, to course keep 'em warm of Oh, uh, you know, but they were outdoor dogs. They lived in their outdoor kennels. Um, you know, and that was it.
[00:30:32] June Diane Raphael: Oh my God.
[00:30:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh my, this is astonishing.
[00:30:34] June Diane Raphael: My God.
[00:30:34] Paul Scheer: I don't know where we were going, but I was gonna say like, now that's a sleigh. That's a sleigh. That's what they want to see. Put some dogs up to this stuff because these kids seemingly are just going uphill at all points. They, they're using that sleigh as if it, as an engine. It like, it, they like, they, it seems more work.
[00:30:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, the engine is Licorice, you know, eventually.
[00:30:54] Paul Scheer: Oh, right. Yeah.
[00:30:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Licorice is hooked up. Uh, Paul Scheer style.
[00:30:57] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:30:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Uh, pointer style to, um, to drive. But this is obviously this, this is snow mushing, not dry mushing.
[00:31:05] Paul Scheer: Yeah. I guess we did also have a a, a a a regular sleigh too.
[00:31:09] Jason Mantzoukas: You did. You, you, that was, that was available to you if you want.
[00:31:12] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:31:13] Jason Mantzoukas: That's, that's good to know just for people who are keeping track at home as to what, uh, what you had available at what point in life.
[00:31:21] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:31:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Vis-a-vis modes of transportation.
[00:31:24] Paul Scheer: And I am looking right now that pointers are good dogs, uh, for sled dog racing. 'cause they're fast.
[00:31:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, okay.
[00:31:30] Paul Scheer: Yeah. And they have a, I guess a good chest.
[00:31:31] June Diane Raphael: You know, just last question about this, I promise, but was there anybody else that you knew that had this type of?
[00:31:36] Paul Scheer: No, no, no, no.
[00:31:38] Jason Mantzoukas: I have another question.
[00:31:39] Paul Scheer: Yeah, sure.
[00:31:40] Jason Mantzoukas: And this one is real significant.
[00:31:42] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:31:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Why? Why did you have both?
[00:31:46] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:31:46] Jason Mantzoukas: The dry and the snow sleds. Did you or anyone in your family race these dogs?
[00:31:53] Paul Scheer: That's a good question.
[00:31:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Did you use these as transportation? Like what?
[00:31:56] Paul Scheer: Right. Well, we didn't use, no, we didn't use as transportation. We didn't use.
[00:32:00] Jason Mantzoukas: I'm just gonna say why.
[00:32:01] Paul Scheer: This is something that comes up in my back a lot.
[00:32:03] Jason Mantzoukas: I understand why jesse has the dogs in life below zero.
[00:32:06] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:32:06] Jason Mantzoukas: That makes sense. He gets around with them. He needs them because he's in a place in Alaska where he needs the dogs for transportation.
[00:32:13] Paul Scheer: Well, no, this, uh, the dogs were, the dogs kind of just were.
[00:32:17] June Diane Raphael: Exercise for the dogs.
[00:32:18] Paul Scheer: Yeah. I mean, I guess we had them, these dogs were going out, we were hunting with them. We were, I mean, we were always, these dogs were always coming out and doing something. They were, you know, they're pointers.
[00:32:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.
[00:32:27] Paul Scheer: So when they saw a bird, their tail would go up, you know, and then you'd, and then that's how you know. Okay. They, you got, did a bird.
[00:32:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Did you, did you hunt like a lot?
[00:32:35] Paul Scheer: I had, I had a multiple guns, but I never was out there to kill animals. I, I would shoot much more, uh, kill.
[00:32:43] Jason Mantzoukas: You had multiple guns, but I was never out there to kill animals. Okay.
[00:32:46] Paul Scheer: No.
[00:32:47] Jason Mantzoukas: What were you out there to kill the most dangerous game?
[00:32:50] Paul Scheer: I would hunt humans. Sure. But that's a different thing now. And these pointers were really good at finding bodies, uh, human bodies, uh. Um, wow. So interesting. And, and I, you know, I think, I dunno if I ever mentioned this, but, um, most of my fifth grade class were, uh, weirdly shot. I don't know why they were wandering.
[00:33:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Weirdly shot.
[00:33:07] Paul Scheer: Weirdly shot.
[00:33:08] Jason Mantzoukas: How they, how they were shot was weird.
[00:33:10] Paul Scheer: Weird. It was weird.
[00:33:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh my God. Oh my God.
[00:33:12] Paul Scheer: Yeah. So I shot a lot more skeet than I did.
[00:33:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, sure.
[00:33:15] Paul Scheer: Uh, you know, that was my, that was my bread and butter. Um, but we did, but we were.
[00:33:20] Jason Mantzoukas: That was my bread and butter. I shot plenty of skeet. That was my bread and butter. No thanks.
[00:33:26] Paul Scheer: But I, I mean, I've told, I think I've told this on the podcast that I did kill a lot of quail.
[00:33:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.
[00:33:31] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:33:31] Jason Mantzoukas: So, so that's what you guys would do? You would go out and do quail hunting?
[00:33:35] Paul Scheer: No, no, no. We, we raise them and then I would, uh, then we would chop off their heads and then put them into a de feather and then, and then sell them.
[00:33:43] Jason Mantzoukas: A def feather?
[00:33:44] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:33:44] June Diane Raphael: Oh god, this is so horrible.
[00:33:46] Jason Mantzoukas: What, how does that work?
[00:33:47] Paul Scheer: It, it's basically like, imagine, and I'll, I'll give the, the funnier description of it.
[00:33:52] June Diane Raphael: You chopped off their heads?
[00:33:53] Paul Scheer: I didn't do the chopping off that I did them. I did the thing where I'd stick 'em in the de feather where you would hold them by their legs, which was, and it's basically like a, a steel drum with, let me just say, uh, for your visual, like a bunch of dildos attached to it. So you, you like, so it's like these rubber things and you put the bird in, pull it, pull off. Yeah.
[00:34:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, okay. You know, and then you would sell the quail.
[00:34:15] Paul Scheer: Yeah, we sell that meat.
[00:34:17] Jason Mantzoukas: You'd sell the quail meat. Where, in what, where, where would you go to do that?
[00:34:21] Paul Scheer: Again. These are the things I just did the chores, I guess. Yes.
[00:34:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. I gotta be honest with you. I you to work. I wish you'd asked more questions.
[00:34:29] Paul Scheer: I know. I wish I did two. As I, as I like.
[00:34:31] Jason Mantzoukas: You were part of, I wanna be clear, you were part of something. You were part of something that I don't think you understand.
[00:34:38] Paul Scheer: I guess I'd call it a chicken plucker machine. A chicken pluck machine is what I'm looking at. Yeah.
[00:34:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Why Paul, who sold the quail? Where and what were the proceeds used for? Like what, what system was this a part of? This is crazy stuff.
[00:34:54] Paul Scheer: All these machines, these machines are bringing back memories now.
[00:34:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh God. How were there more memories?
[00:35:00] June Diane Raphael: There were more memories.
[00:35:02] Paul Scheer: I, I guess I just felt like we were raising quail, so then we had to.
[00:35:06] June Diane Raphael: Did you eat them?
[00:35:07] Paul Scheer: Had to sell 'em. We're not gonna just keep a bun. Like we were raising a tremendous amount of quail. Yeah.
[00:35:11] Jason Mantzoukas: I understand the concept of if you're raising quail, you're probably selling them.
[00:35:16] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:35:16] Jason Mantzoukas: But in what capacity? Like.
[00:35:19] Paul Scheer: I don't know.
[00:35:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Farmer, farmer's market.
[00:35:20] Paul Scheer: I mean, I, I never went to a farmer's market.
[00:35:23] June Diane Raphael: We're trying to understand what the funnel looks like, you know?
[00:35:25] Paul Scheer: Yeah. So, I don't know. I mean, I never, we never.
[00:35:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Was this black market quail sales?
[00:35:29] Paul Scheer: I mean, you know.
[00:35:30] June Diane Raphael: What did I marry into? I, is there a quail fortune? I don't know.
[00:35:33] Paul Scheer: I never went to a farmer's market.
[00:35:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.
[00:35:36] Paul Scheer: Um, I never did that. So I know that we didn't sell it there, but I also think there, we had a big freezer. We were putting things in the freezer, and then I think that people were picking up things from the freezer.
[00:35:49] Jason Mantzoukas: People?
[00:35:50] Paul Scheer: Would come by. I think it was much more of a.
[00:35:52] Jason Mantzoukas: People picking up. You think you had a, it was an open freezer and people would just take a quail, leave a dollar. What? What is this?
[00:35:59] Paul Scheer: I remember, I remember distinctly saying, we'll leave the garage open. You can come and get the quail.
[00:36:06] Jason Mantzoukas: What?
[00:36:06] Paul Scheer: So I, I think we were selling, we were selling animal meat locally.
[00:36:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Got it.
[00:36:13] Paul Scheer: I think.
[00:36:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Got it.
[00:36:14] Paul Scheer: Again.
[00:36:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Sure, sure, sure.
[00:36:15] Paul Scheer: Not quite positive. And again, I should have asked these questions. These are great. All these great.
[00:36:20] Jason Mantzoukas: I would love to know if these were FDAs. Yeah, go ahead.
[00:36:23] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, you were just trying to get your chores done.
[00:36:25] Jason Mantzoukas: It's like, yeah.
[00:36:26] June Diane Raphael: So you could get on your, your dog sled and enjoy yourself. Like I understand. I don't blame you. Yeah.
[00:36:33] Jason Mantzoukas: I just, hey guys, I wanna hang out. I just have to de feather 300 quail so I can fill up the quail freezer in the garage that everybody knows will be open.
[00:36:43] Paul Scheer: Now here's the thing that I will say, I definitely believe that we ate them as well.
[00:36:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Sure.
[00:36:48] Paul Scheer: Because we were not raising, when you say 300. I would say we didn't have 300 at a time, you know, so we were probably raising maybe like 50 quail, like so we were a low, we were a low tier.
[00:36:59] June Diane Raphael: It's still a lot.
[00:36:59] Paul Scheer: You know. You know, probably like, yeah, like, and you go in there and the coop was just a mess and feathers and shit, and you'd have to get in there and dig around.
[00:37:06] Jason Mantzoukas: You lived with a quail coop, like we're getting, this is, again. This is just astonishing new information.
[00:37:13] Paul Scheer: The quail coop was on the property next to ours, which we rented the house of, but we kept the backyard. That was like a, a deal that we had to give for.
[00:37:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.
[00:37:22] Paul Scheer: We said, yeah.
[00:37:23] Jason Mantzoukas: So you had the stables for the horses.
[00:37:24] Paul Scheer: On our yard.
[00:37:25] Jason Mantzoukas: The kennels for the dogs.
[00:37:26] Paul Scheer: That was on our yards. That was in our yard. And then the other yard.
[00:37:29] Jason Mantzoukas: And the quail coop and anything. What else is in? Just so I have a, and I would love it if a fan could maybe just do a property sketch of all the information we now know from Paul.
[00:37:40] I mean, what a, I mean what a, what a childhood, you know, like, it, it feels like when you talk about your childhood, it feels somehow, like, even though I know you grew up in Long Island.
[00:37:50] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:37:51] Jason Mantzoukas: It feels to me like you grew up on Little House on the Prairie.
[00:37:53] Paul Scheer: Well, that, you know, it is interesting when I do talk about it, it doesn't seem natural or right. And so when I did go back to like, look at the house, I was like, did I make any of this stuff up? And, nope. I did not. Everything is still, uh, aggressively there. Um.
[00:38:10] Jason Mantzoukas: This is wild.
[00:38:11] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:38:11] Jason Mantzoukas: I love this. I love the excavation of your childhood is the, the yeah, it is what drives the show.
[00:38:18] June Diane Raphael: You have at least two more books coming, like mint.
[00:38:21] Paul Scheer: I did, uh, as you said it. I, I forgot about us mushing. Okay, so I Sorry for that detour. I apologize for that detour.
[00:38:31] Jason Mantzoukas: It was so, um, much better than the movie. Um, truly. The fact that we now know you are a, you are a frequent dry musher as a child is huge information for.
[00:38:42] Paul Scheer: Big information.
[00:38:43] June Diane Raphael: The fact that I know the term dry mushing.
[00:38:45] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:38:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, now we, now we all do.
[00:38:48] Paul Scheer: I, I, I thought that there was something sexual when Miss Mavilda called Mel Fast Fingers.
[00:38:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:38:54] Paul Scheer: And Mel.
[00:38:55] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, for sure.
[00:38:55] Paul Scheer: She really does hang out with a bunch of degenerates.
[00:38:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:38:58] Paul Scheer: Like.
[00:38:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Which I like, I, I was like, oh, yeah.
[00:39:01] June Diane Raphael: Again, that was a choice that I really loved about the movie, which was that she was a gambling addict and also that like her choice of, she wasn't hobnobbing with the rich and famous, you know, she was with the dregs of society.
[00:39:16] Jason Mantzoukas: And she also didn't aspirationally have hopes, she wasn't trying to buy her way into society or get her, or buy her way out of the orphanage into a this or a that. Like she just wants, I think, to party and gamble.
[00:39:29] June Diane Raphael: And fund her habit.
[00:39:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:39:30] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:39:31] Paul Scheer: That's why I think that she was losing the money on purpose because she wasn't like, she just wants to shut everybody down because she doesn't even invite the girl, the mom to play cards. Like, it's not even like, oh.
[00:39:43] June Diane Raphael: What Paul, I, I'm sort of coming around to your point of view, because they do say that about gambling addicts that they don't actually want to win.
[00:39:53] Paul Scheer: Mm-hmm.
[00:39:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, really?
[00:39:54] June Diane Raphael: Yes. That they, the, that, that the desire is to try and there's something in the risk of it, but it's not about actually winning.
[00:40:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, okay. Well, wow.
[00:40:06] June Diane Raphael: So you might, yeah, you might be onto something there. I did appreciate, you know, it's definitely the animation of the time, but I did appreciate it. Appreciate.
[00:40:16] Paul Scheer: Just wanna be, I wanna be clear. Well, it's not the anime. This is, this is like, there was better.
[00:40:22] Jason Mantzoukas: What were some of the other animated movies that are out in 1991? There's Toy Stories that existed.
[00:40:27] Paul Scheer: No, I mean this is like, okay, a time of like, uh, Rover Dangerfield, uh, RockaDoodle. American Tale.
[00:40:33] June Diane Raphael: Mermaid time.
[00:40:34] Paul Scheer: Um,
[00:40:35] June Diane Raphael: American Tale. Okay.
[00:40:36] Paul Scheer: I mean, you know.
[00:40:37] June Diane Raphael: But I love, I loved that, at least in the nineties. All the women who were villains had purple eyeshadow.
[00:40:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Uhhuh.
[00:40:44] June Diane Raphael: That seemed to be very, very important. And I also love.
[00:40:48] Paul Scheer: You like those pink lips?
[00:40:48] June Diane Raphael: That when Judy, when Judy went driving and she was on the road and told by the police officer like, you're not gonna get through. Better turn around. She sped off. Like a bat outta of hell. Did anyone notice how fast she drove?
[00:41:04] Paul Scheer: I did not clock it.
[00:41:05] Jason Mantzoukas: I didn't either.
[00:41:07] June Diane Raphael: She threw that car around into a turn and sped away.
[00:41:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.
[00:41:11] June Diane Raphael: It was hilarious.
[00:41:12] Jason Mantzoukas: I'm just gonna say that Beauty and the Beast comes out in 1991.
[00:41:16] Paul Scheer: Okay, there we go.
[00:41:17] Jason Mantzoukas: An American Tail comes out in 1991. Fivel Goes West. Of course.
[00:41:21] Paul Scheer: Of course.
[00:41:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, RockaDoodle comes out in 1991. These are movies that look very different from this movie.
[00:41:28] Paul Scheer: Well, I mean, there is something about it where it feels like these cells might have been purchased on a black market. You would even say maybe a quail market, you know, uh, bespoke.
[00:41:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, boy.
[00:41:38] Paul Scheer: Uh, and you would get this like, because, there is something about it where this all feels leftover and
[00:41:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:41:44] Paul Scheer: And look, I know these kids are supposed to look sweet and kind, but they all look like kids who are having terrible allergy attacks.
[00:41:50] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:41:50] Paul Scheer: Like their eyes are just big enough and watery enough to look like. They're just like, oh. They're like, they, their sneeze is like living right in their head space. They don't, they don't look well.
[00:42:00] June Diane Raphael: All facing out. They all stand. In the exact same direction at all times.
[00:42:06] Paul Scheer: They have to, I mean.
[00:42:07] June Diane Raphael: They must. Using only dimension.
[00:42:09] Jason Mantzoukas: They're using. Yeah, they're using the same cells over and over again. And it's clear because none of the, you know, the, they just have written a script to cells that they had, I think, to, to scenes that they had, because I don't think, like, none of this makes, none of this adds up as a movie, I don't think.
[00:42:24] Paul Scheer: Well, I mean, I, I also don't understand how the whole town gets involved at the end of the movie. The entire town is around the tree. It seems like this is a very small, uh, issue. Um, Mavilda is gonna cut down a tree, uh, and then everyone shows up. But yet again, I just wanna call it back, which is, it is a weird moment because a child is missing.
[00:42:47] Reportedly falling off a cliff in the woods.
[00:42:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:42:51] Paul Scheer: And a town is much more concerned about a tree that no one has any connection to. Because at this point the tree is not a national landmark. And it seems like that is.
[00:42:59] Jason Mantzoukas: The boy is crying. The bully is crying. And he says she fell down. I lost her. He's like beside himself. And then it's like, start up that chainsaw. We're killing this tree. And everybody's like, fuck the little girl. We have to save the tree. Which is bizarre.
[00:43:17] Paul Scheer: I mean, is it an ecological story? I don't know. I mean that.
[00:43:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.
[00:43:21] June Diane Raphael: I don't know. I mean, I do think the way he tells the, the way he shares the news about Lily, like it does seem so definitive. Like, she's gone.
[00:43:29] Jason Mantzoukas: She's dead.
[00:43:30] June Diane Raphael: She's She's dead.
[00:43:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep.
[00:43:31] June Diane Raphael: So there is something I, I can't believe I'm on their side. But there's something I do understand, like they radically have to accept that news.
[00:43:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Can I ask a question?
[00:43:41] June Diane Raphael: Please.
[00:43:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Is the little blonde boy's name Pappy?
[00:43:46] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:43:46] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:43:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Or Happy?
[00:43:48] Paul Scheer: Pappy.
[00:43:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Pappy.
[00:43:49] Paul Scheer: Pappy.
[00:43:49] June Diane Raphael: Pappy.
[00:43:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Now, why is he named Pappy? Isn't Pappy like an old man, like a grandfather's nickname? Like, you know, um,
[00:43:58] June Diane Raphael: My pappy.
[00:43:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Like, yeah. Pappy is not like, it's not a nickname. It's not a, it's not a nickname for like a, like Patrick or something. I couldn't wrap my head around the fact that this little boy's name is Pappy.
[00:44:10] Paul Scheer: Lily, Pappy, uh, Pappy Kindle. You should call full name Pappy.
[00:44:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Pappy Kindle. Which, which makes me also wonder, the Kindle family is this Amazon product placement?
[00:44:20] Paul Scheer: I mean, this is like War of the World's level stuff, you know? Let's have the Kindles come in and you know what, she can read to them any story, access anything they want magazines, uh, audio books. Now in color. Um, yeah.
[00:44:34] June Diane Raphael: By the way, did anyone else wonder like what happened to the Kindles in their previous town?
[00:44:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:44:39] June Diane Raphael: Where are they running from?
[00:44:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. And when they show up, the mayor is basically like, I'm gonna put you in this thing over this job over here. Like, it seems like he's just getting placed not on his skillset.
[00:44:50] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. I have no idea.
[00:44:51] Jason Mantzoukas: None of it.
[00:44:51] Paul Scheer: He's just being told to work at a lumber mill.
[00:44:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, that's communism. I'm gonna be honest. That's communism. Whatever your trade is, it doesn't matter. You do this now for us, the people, your family belongs to this. The town. They're not yours anymore. Your family belongs to the town. They are community property.
[00:45:09] Paul Scheer: Wow.
[00:45:09] Jason Mantzoukas: This is communism. I believe this is a story about communism.
[00:45:13] Paul Scheer: Well, I guess here's the other part of it. The mayor's coming with the bags of money and the way he gives the bags of money is by seeing that the orphans are in nice clothes. Right. But these orphans never leave. So she is doing a bad job. 'cause I imagine part of being an or of somebody running an orphanage is like, you wanna get some out the door. It's like running a car dealership. You wouldn't get more money in a car dealership if you're not moving. Moving product.
[00:45:34] Jason Mantzoukas: I think she, she's getting money.
[00:45:35] June Diane Raphael: Do you think she has to fill out a report though, every year? Like I, you know, there, there were, maybe there weren't any placements, but like this many people came to see the orphans as potential adoptees. Like, because. She must have to, she must have to account for something.
[00:45:54] Jason Mantzoukas: There doesn't seem to be, I be, I'll be honest, any oversight? There's no CPS. There's no.
[00:46:00] June Diane Raphael: Just seems him, his arrival with the bags of money is, that's it.
[00:46:03] Jason Mantzoukas: This, this town seems to be the mayor and Mrs. Mavilda.
[00:46:07] Paul Scheer: I mean, it it is, it is. It is a, an orphanage that is run. I mean, like literally with the least oversight. It's, it's an orphanage of fear that is run with the least oversight because all he needs to do is see that they're in a pretty dress. And then he, by the way, this is disturbing to me. Hey, you look, I always seen a lot of weird stuff, but, uh, seeing kids get naked, like ripping clothes off a kid and having them in their underwear, I'm like, I don't need to see little kids in this, like this ragtag generic peanuts gang. And I don't need to, I don't ever wanna see Lucy in her underwear. I don't wanna see.
[00:46:40] Jason Mantzoukas: No.
[00:46:40] Paul Scheer: Linus naked.
[00:46:41] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't even want you saying, I don't even want you saying.
[00:46:44] June Diane Raphael: I cut it out.
[00:46:44] Jason Mantzoukas: What you're saying.
[00:46:45] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. I don't want it available as audio.
[00:46:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Words.
[00:46:47] June Diane Raphael: I don't want it.
[00:46:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Putting images into my brain that I didn't ask for. You know.
[00:46:52] June Diane Raphael: I don't want it.
[00:46:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Especially about Linus.
[00:46:55] Paul Scheer: I mean, the other thing is what world is his money? Like, is he like, I mean, we are also in a world where like, why is the money in bags? Why is the money? I'm just thinking about that now.
[00:47:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, money's always in bags.
[00:47:08] June Diane Raphael: Think, you know, if, if this is, if this is run, if, if he's sort of running this as a communist utopia, then I do think that I
[00:47:18] Jason Mantzoukas: In Alaska.
[00:47:18] June Diane Raphael: Understand. In Alaska, I do understand Mrs. Mavilda's gambling addiction a little bit more.
[00:47:24] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:47:25] June Diane Raphael: I understand the need for like. You know, excess and stepping out like that does, even if it doesn't lead anywhere.
[00:47:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Well it also, it does. That also feels to me like the idea that this takes place in a frontier town, basically, where it is people are working in the mine or the mill or whatever. That's how they make their living. But really what it is, it's just low lifes who are doing gambling and scheming. And it's Mrs. Mavilda and her poker friends.
[00:47:59] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:47:59] Jason Mantzoukas: You know what we don't see is a ton of like townspeople who are like good people. We just see villains and the only good person really is the mayor, I think. And Mrs. Hopewell, the tree.
[00:48:11] June Diane Raphael: Well, and Judy.
[00:48:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Sure, sure, sure.
[00:48:13] June Diane Raphael: And Licorice.
[00:48:14] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't trust Licorice.
[00:48:15] Paul Scheer: I don't trust Licorice either. Licorice, I feel like left Lily. Licorice should have gone after Lily. Like.
[00:48:20] Jason Mantzoukas: I will say no, I, I just justice for Licorice because I think Licorice did do a good job fighting the bear.
[00:48:26] Paul Scheer: Okay. You're right.
[00:48:27] Jason Mantzoukas: You know?
[00:48:27] Paul Scheer: Yes. Which.
[00:48:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, but should have been killed, I think should have been killed.
[00:48:30] Paul Scheer: Was that bear the same bear from the Jungle Book? It did look like they may have stolen.
[00:48:34] June Diane Raphael: It looked exactly.
[00:48:35] Jason Mantzoukas: It's definitely be blue.
[00:48:36] Paul Scheer: Uh, there was, but there was this one moment where the mayor does say like, there's weird editing, of course. Like. I think you're right, Jason. Like there's points where they're like, they have too much time and they're rushing. Then there's points where they don't have enough time and they're cutting.
[00:48:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:48:49] Paul Scheer: So you're this weird thing where like the end of the movie's, like, and then it's all good and she's great and, and we don't even see any images of her. It's just a wide shot thing that everything worked out great. It's like, it's like the way that I get when I'm trying to tell my kids something, I'm like, yeah, yeah, it's fine. It's fine. They worked out and everything. Yeah, yeah. Don't worry about it. They're fine. They're good. Um, but there's this one moment where the mayor goes, I've got enough money here to get the children new clothes and still some left for their Christmas. Like, it's like there's a long beat.
[00:49:18] Movie Audio: I've got enough money here to get the children new clothes and still some left for their Christmas presents.
[00:49:25] Paul Scheer: Like, it's like, like I was like, what, what happened? Like, did he have a mini stroke?
[00:49:29] June Diane Raphael: What happened there?
[00:49:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, there's a lot of that kind of stuff where it feels like it's just because they have more footage of the mayor talking, so they're gonna fill it up and make it last. It almost feels like it's, that's what I mean, it feels like when you watch an old TV show and you're like, why is this scene seven minutes long?
[00:49:49] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:49:49] Jason Mantzoukas: The plot points were over minutes ago, so why is Magnum still hanging out at the King K Me club just to have left somebody fall down in the sand.
[00:49:58] Paul Scheer: By the way, I mean, I would imagine that there, that Mavilda would also get put in jail. It seems like a very lax system that would be like, you know what?
[00:50:09] June Diane Raphael: Well, and that's Judy's fatal flaw.
[00:50:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:50:12] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:50:12] June Diane Raphael: And that's where Judy is, you know, her under reaction, her willingness to turn a blind eye. Her, her, you know. Need to like rescue Mrs. Mavilda and not restore justice.
[00:50:27] Paul Scheer: Mm-hmm.
[00:50:28] June Diane Raphael: To this town is really deeply troubling.
[00:50:30] Jason Mantzoukas: It's a, you know, there is no, Mrs. Mavilda shows no remorse. She really doesn't have a, she doesn't have a real turn in a way that you're like.
[00:50:39] June Diane Raphael: Just seems she got caught.
[00:50:40] Paul Scheer: Do you feel like the lightning strike like kind of shocked it out of her? Like electroshock therapy? Like it just a bad.
[00:50:46] Jason Mantzoukas: I would've loved if they showed that, if she was, like, if after the lightning strike she was like, wonderful and loving and lovely, you'd be like, okay, she's changed. Santa changed her with lightning or like it was a stroke or something. You know, when people had.
[00:50:59] June Diane Raphael: Because what we don't hear at the end is that Mrs. Mavilda stopped gambling.
[00:51:03] Jason Mantzoukas: No.
[00:51:04] Paul Scheer: No.
[00:51:04] Jason Mantzoukas: She's just good now.
[00:51:05] Paul Scheer: Well now she maybe just gambles smaller amounts.
[00:51:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:51:08] Paul Scheer: By the way, again, you said justice for Judy. June, I just wrote this line down. There's a moment where Judy tells the kids that they won't be getting the new clothes and then the kids are upset and she says, please, children don't make it more difficult for me.
[00:51:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:51:25] June Diane Raphael: I know. Listen, I'm so back and forth with her. I just admired her carpentry. What can I say?
[00:51:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Here's the thing, Judy is up against. Insurmountable odds. So she cannot help but fail over and over again because it's simply too much. That being said, um, she could do better. She could do better.
[00:51:45] June Diane Raphael: Judy do better.
[00:51:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. You know.
[00:51:47] June Diane Raphael: Judy, just do better.
[00:51:48] Jason Mantzoukas: But also orphans do better. Like these orphans are just standing around. They are not doing a goddamn thing.
[00:51:55] June Diane Raphael: And orphans by the way, do better and turn to each other.
[00:51:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:51:59] June Diane Raphael: Build community. Like people always say that if you feel unhappy in your life and depressed and like, are constantly making yourself the victim, like turn around and put some energy
[00:52:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep.
[00:52:08] June Diane Raphael: Into what is.
[00:52:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:52:10] June Diane Raphael: Into the people around you, into the spaces around you.
[00:52:12] Jason Mantzoukas: You know, invest in the opportunities of your, the person to your right. The person to your left.
[00:52:18] June Diane Raphael: That's exactly right.
[00:52:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Don't, don't try and tell me that you can't make yourself a better life, uh, unless that tree is your best friend.
[00:52:26] Paul Scheer: Wait, well, okay. So I guess, I guess if I'm. If I'm gonna take away all the things that we've been saying about this movie and just judge it in a, in a way that's like, what was the intention here? Like, what is the Christmas moral of this story?
[00:52:39] Jason Mantzoukas: So, such a good question. Like, I don't think there is one.
[00:52:43] June Diane Raphael: Believing? No.
[00:52:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Nope. It's not about believing. It's not about the Christmas spirit. It's not about, uh, uh, uh, uh, love for one for each other instead of
[00:52:53] June Diane Raphael: No.
[00:52:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Craving gifts and so forth. It's not about the spirit of Christmas. It's not about.
[00:52:57] Paul Scheer: They do say wish harder at one point.
[00:52:59] Jason Mantzoukas: Which it's about one of, oh, you know what they do do is the kids all want things and then the kids are like, I shouldn't want things. I should wish instead for Mrs. Hopewell, the tree to be saved.
[00:53:12] Paul Scheer: Right. But also of all the people who don't want things, the kids should get some things. The kids have not gotten anything.
[00:53:19] June Diane Raphael: Anything.
[00:53:19] Paul Scheer: They don't have clothes, they don't have toys. They don't know what Christmas is.
[00:53:23] Jason Mantzoukas: But they have such shitty attitudes.
[00:53:25] Paul Scheer: I mean, they really do. The kids are, the kids are sleepy. I mean, the kids seem like they are, I mean they're starving.
[00:53:32] Jason Mantzoukas: The kids seem like, I'll be honest, the kids seem like Mrs. Mavilda is giving them a Benadryl every morning. You know? Like.
[00:53:39] June Diane Raphael: I do think they might be on drugs. 'cause like the fun thing about orphan movies, and I know this is wrong, but when you're watching them as a kid and you're watching Annie as horrible as the Miss Hannigan's of the world are, there's something so appealing about seeing about the kids being together.
[00:53:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:53:55] June Diane Raphael: Even in Oliver sleeping in the same. Sleeping in the same quarters. One of the, the little one being way more of a rascal and taking risks and the other one's having like, there is something so compelling story-wise, watching these stories as a kid.
[00:54:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:54:11] Paul Scheer: I am this, I am that one. Yeah.
[00:54:14] Jason Mantzoukas: I'm a voice in the, I'm a voice in the animated movie, the Twits, which is one of the Roald Dahl books.
[00:54:19] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:54:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Which has very fun up to stuff orphans. The orphans are driving the story because they are, they have the ability to go out into the world and, and stir shit up. And so they do. And it's, it's a blast because the orphans are, they have agency. They're not just sitting around waiting for some Judy to come make it fucking better.
[00:54:39] Paul Scheer: But Jason, i, this is the thing that you have refused to talk about. You also play a mayor.
[00:54:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:54:46] Paul Scheer: In The Twits.
[00:54:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, that's true.
[00:54:47] Paul Scheer: And you are not talking about.
[00:54:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh boy.
[00:54:50] Paul Scheer: Like you have been in this position. I mean, what is the mayor doing? Right. What is the mayor doing wrong?
[00:54:53] Jason Mantzoukas: It's so true. It's so true because, uh, the mayor does not support the, the orphanage in any way. Like, he doesn't show up. My character of the mayor doesn't show up with bags of money. Um.
[00:55:03] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:55:03] Jason Mantzoukas: He is so much more focused on his reelection campaign.
[00:55:07] Paul Scheer: Okay. So they, like.
[00:55:08] June Diane Raphael: Now does your character address Roald Dahl's, antisemitism at all?
[00:55:11] Jason Mantzoukas: He does not, but I will say his butt explodes.
[00:55:15] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:55:16] June Diane Raphael: Oh, okay.
[00:55:16] Paul Scheer: Hey, that's fair. You know, look, you can't win them all.
[00:55:18] Jason Mantzoukas: His butt, his butt swells and swells and swells and swells until it explodes. Not a fart, his butt explodes.
[00:55:26] Paul Scheer: Well, that is, that is upsetting. So do you, do you feel like it was an asshole that exploded or it was like a butt cheek explosion?
[00:55:33] Jason Mantzoukas: I, i'll be honest, the, the director, the wonderful director, uh, Phil Johnston, I asked him.
[00:55:37] Paul Scheer: Love Phil Johnston.
[00:55:37] Jason Mantzoukas: So many times, what has happened here? What, what has, what is the injury? Because you then later see him in the hospital in traction and it looks like they've done some like cheek surgery.
[00:55:48] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:55:48] Jason Mantzoukas: You know what I mean? Like what? Like what was the, what was this?
[00:55:51] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:55:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Like I need to know, so I understand how to play it.
[00:55:54] Paul Scheer: Well, of course.
[00:55:54] Jason Mantzoukas: So I understand how to inform my vocal performance.
[00:55:57] Paul Scheer: Right. You don't wanna be like this guy who becomes Jimmy Stewart at the end of the movie and in the beginning of the movie sounds perfectly normal.
[00:56:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Holy shit.
[00:56:06] Paul Scheer: Um, this is truly one of. Wow. I mean, one of, like, again, we keep on saying this recently, like these are movies that are blowing our minds because I'm like, I did not know this existed. And in 45 minutes, I have more questions than I ever have had.
[00:56:23] Jason Mantzoukas: But here's the thing, I am so looking forward to the time when, uh, in, I'm gonna say 45 minutes from now, right? When I have forgotten this movie.
[00:56:36] June Diane Raphael: It's already getting very foggy.
[00:56:38] Jason Mantzoukas: I'm looking forward to that time. It, I like, I still am. I'm thrilled by the way. To still be thinking about and laughing about and talking about My Boyfriend's Back.
[00:56:48] Paul Scheer: Oh, yeah.
[00:56:48] Jason Mantzoukas: But this, I hope to never revisit this is this, I want wiped clean from my memory as soon as possible. This is to answer the question, you're, you're leading us towards, Paul. I do not recommend this.
[00:57:02] Paul Scheer: Really?
[00:57:02] Jason Mantzoukas: This is the, I found this to be, to what we were saying earlier, so weirdly long, even though it's short. So the scenes are so boring and so drag on with just either exposition or unnecessary information. I couldn't make heads or tails out of it.
[00:57:19] June Diane Raphael: Well, and I will say I, I kind of feel the same and, and we did keep our. We did keep our 9-year-old up last night.
[00:57:25] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:57:25] June Diane Raphael: A little bit later than usual to.
[00:57:26] Paul Scheer: 10:00 PM
[00:57:26] June Diane Raphael: Oh, you can watch the movie with us.
[00:57:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Oh God.
[00:57:29] June Diane Raphael: And he wanted to go to sleep over.
[00:57:31] Paul Scheer: He was like, I can't wait.
[00:57:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Until he, your sons write books that are revealing the way Paul's book is revealing, but all of the stories are about all of the movies they were exposed to.
[00:57:43] Paul Scheer: They have seen, and by the way, we get excited when it's a kids movie. Like, oh, finally you can watch it with us. Like the fart movie with Rupert Grint.
[00:57:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yes.
[00:57:49] Paul Scheer: You know, like they, like they, and yeah. And that one I think went over better. I'll tell you this much. Yeah. I, I will read you one or two of these. Uh, second opinions.
[00:57:56] June Diane Raphael: Great.
[00:57:56] Paul Scheer: Because, but I don't trust them. I, but here we go. Is now time for second opinions.
[00:58:04] Music: [Second Opinions Song]
[00:58:04] Paul Scheer: So it was very hard to find second opinions for this. Um, so we had to go to Letterbox.
[00:58:08] Jason Mantzoukas: It's not a real movie.
[00:58:09] Paul Scheer: It's not a real movie. Yes. You know, we had to go to Letterbox even though it went straight to DVD. So it should be able to be reviewed on Amazon. Um, uh, Piss Water Dead Girl.
[00:58:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.
[00:58:18] Paul Scheer: Uh, on Letterbox.
[00:58:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, okay.
[00:58:21] Paul Scheer: "This is so wonderful. The real children voice acting adds such a beautiful, homey vibe to the whole thing."
[00:58:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah.
[00:58:28] Paul Scheer: "Their eyes are so somber. It's enchanting. I like this a lot. Five stars."
[00:58:32] That does seem earnest.
[00:58:35] Jason Mantzoukas: It does seem earnest and I will say one of the things that they mentioned that we did not mention, I don't think, is that yes, all of the orphan children's voices are little kids' voices.
[00:58:45] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:58:46] Jason Mantzoukas: And you can tell. And the kids are struggling.
[00:58:48] Paul Scheer: Well, I'll tell you this much. The actress who played Lily. Seven years old is the real life daughter of the actress who played Judy and the actor who played Pappy.
[00:58:56] June Diane Raphael: I thought she was great.
[00:58:56] Paul Scheer: Who's 10 is the real life son of the actor who played Bob.
[00:59:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.
[00:59:00] Paul Scheer: And, and all of the actors in this have one credit. Most of the cast is made up mainly of friends and family of the animation crew members.
[00:59:07] Jason Mantzoukas: I'm not surprised.
[00:59:09] Paul Scheer: They save some money here. No union, no union fees here.
[00:59:13] Jason Mantzoukas: And of course there's a little boy in this movie named Pappy. So we follow Pappy. I mean, like, just talking about Pa I can't wrap my head around a little boy named Pappy.
[00:59:22] Paul Scheer: I, I'll say that. Uh, 47 Ronan writes,
[00:59:25] "A tragedy. Miss Mavilda is what Lily will become in a few decades, uh, surrounded by, by simpering plastic children, uh, a life unfulfilled with shattered dreams. Already, she's numbing the pain of her pathetic existence as evidenced by her drooping eyelids that indicate that she's on substances, no matter the bitterness that will morph into hatred. She too becomes just like her employer exploiting and abusing those gremlins. Until years have passed, they will call upon that entity Santa Claus, despite her rotten blackened heart, another will take her place and the vicious cycle begins anew. Five stars."
[01:00:05] Jason Mantzoukas: What?
[01:00:05] Paul Scheer: I mean that, I mean, I think that what they're saying is, you know, you are destined.
[01:00:09] Destiny.
[01:00:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[01:00:09] Paul Scheer: Now this is another one that feels, again, these are, uh, you know, these are different reviews, but this one, Darth Rader on IMDB. We went to go everywhere. Molly went everywhere this week to find these.
[01:00:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Thank you, Molly.
[01:00:21] Paul Scheer: Uh, 8 outta 10 stars on IMDB. And the subject line is "Cute Christmas flick for toddlers."
[01:00:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Nope.
[01:00:28] June Diane Raphael: No.
[01:00:28] Paul Scheer: "Saw this one. It was on the USA network years ago, and now my kid watches the DVD and loves dancing around to the music. It's a cute little show that young kids can enjoy. Adults and older kids might prefer the standard peanut specials, since this one is comparatively a bit rougher and over narrated. Uh, the story is non-traditional, but it's a nice change from those same old archaic stories of reindeer with light up noses and talking blobs of snow that our grandparents grew up with. Apparently there were some former artists from Hanna Barbera and Disney working on it, and it's played all over the world in multiple languages since its released decades ago. So while it hasn't become a classic locally, there must be a following out there somewhere."
[01:01:10] I believe this is written by someone who worked on the movie.
[01:01:13] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[01:01:15] Paul Scheer: It feels like it. It feels like.
[01:01:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Gotta be. It makes no sense otherwise. This is that. That's this isn't that.
[01:01:21] Paul Scheer: By the way. By the way, this is the first time ever in the history of the show that there are only two reviews on Amazon. Two.
[01:01:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh oh.
[01:01:30] Paul Scheer: So that we didn't even pull them because uh
[01:01:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh man.
[01:01:33] Paul Scheer: Out of two reviews, 68% are five star.
[01:01:37] Jason Mantzoukas: This was the ti. Okay, so this is the kind that.
[01:01:39] Paul Scheer: I don't even understand that math.
[01:01:40] Jason Mantzoukas: As I was watching it. You know, um, I don't know, an hour before we recorded.
[01:01:46] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[01:01:46] Jason Mantzoukas: I got, I don't know, 20 minutes into it and panicked because I was like, this can't be what we're actually doing. And I texted the chain to be like, are we, is this what we're doing?
[01:01:58] Paul Scheer: Oh, yeah.
[01:01:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Like, just to confirm, because I was so nervous. I was watching the wrong thing also because it was 47 minutes long and none of it, I was like, thi I'm am. I was, and then I was like, oh no, for sure. This is what we're doing. Uh, and it was, it was very upsetting.
[01:02:11] Paul Scheer: I truly, I truly was disturbed by this movie. It takes a lot to, to shake me to my core. That's why I think I want people to see it. I know that YouTube don't, you wanna, you wanna gate keep this movie, but I believe that, I believe that children, uh, everyone needs to see it. And, and then respect, uh, the Rankin Bass, The Peanuts.
[01:02:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah.
[01:02:33] Paul Scheer: A little bit more. A little bit more.
[01:02:35] Jason Mantzoukas: What are the, what are the, do you guys have holiday tra movies now in your family that you watch in the holiday season?
[01:02:42] Paul Scheer: Oh yeah. Big time.
[01:02:44] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. Well, my main one is Mixed Nuts.
[01:02:46] Paul Scheer: Well, that's June.
[01:02:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Course.
[01:02:46] Paul Scheer: That's June's.
[01:02:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Of course.
[01:02:48] Paul Scheer: I think that Jason was asking a movie that I really was poo-pooing and now I enjoy it. Uh, the, the family ones. Home Alone. Big hit, Home Alone Two may, maybe even a bigger hit than Home Alone one. Uh.
[01:03:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, is that the, is that Manhattan? Is that New York?
[01:03:03] Paul Scheer: Yes, that's New York.
[01:03:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Great, great, great.
[01:03:05] Paul Scheer: Uh, then we're talking about Elf, uh mm-hmm. Christmas Vacation is a big one. Um, those four.
[01:03:12] Jason Mantzoukas: What about like, Muppet Christmas Carol?
[01:03:15] Paul Scheer: No. Took them to see it At the New Beverly. No, not into it. They don't light the Muppets.
[01:03:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh. Oh, okay.
[01:03:21] Paul Scheer: They love June's movie. 8-bit Christmas.
[01:03:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Sure, of course.
[01:03:24] Paul Scheer: As well as, uh, my Christmas movie, uh, the Family Switch, um.
[01:03:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Got it.
[01:03:29] Paul Scheer: Which is a little more of a Body Switch movie, even though it does take place at Christmas. Um, but yeah, that, those are kind of like the ones that we really.
[01:03:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, by the way, solid list.
[01:03:38] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[01:03:38] Jason Mantzoukas: But do you guys watch, like the Rankin Bass? Do you watch the TV specials? Do you watch a Charlie Brown Christmas? The, the, like any of the ones that we watched?
[01:03:46] June Diane Raphael: A Charlie brown Christmas, we'll have on, but we won't. It's not really like something we'll sit down for.
[01:03:51] Jason Mantzoukas: So you guys don't, it's not like these are the ones we watched as kids now. We'll, you now have like the modern movies that you all watch together.
[01:03:59] Paul Scheer: Yes. I think that that's, and we like that and our kids' taste is getting, it's, it's evolving. They have a lot more.
[01:04:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Sure.
[01:04:07] Paul Scheer: You know, that's true. Like, this is as big as a big year. We might even, you know, show them.
[01:04:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, Lethal Weapon?
[01:04:11] Paul Scheer: Uh, well, I was hoping that would be the Christmas movie of my choice or, you know, Diehard has been very close to being shown.
[01:04:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh no. Yeah, yeah. Die hard.
[01:04:19] Paul Scheer: I mean, Lethal Weapon and of course Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.
[01:04:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Lethal weapon's pretty brutal. The Diehards a lot easier.
[01:04:23] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Lethal Weapon is a tough, is a tough, goes down a little tougher. Uh.
[01:04:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. No, I think so.
[01:04:29] Paul Scheer: Um, but yeah.
[01:04:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, fun though.
[01:04:30] Paul Scheer: Yeah. So I like it. Maybe we'll try a Rankin Bass although I feel.
[01:04:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Family stone. Were are you guys on Family Stone?
[01:04:35] June Diane Raphael: Oh, you know what? I would love to try that out. I hadn't, I, I honestly had forgotten about it.
[01:04:41] Jason Mantzoukas: You know what I haven't watched I, because I like the Family Stone. People hate it. But, um, you know what I'm gonna, I haven't watched in ages that I'm gonna revisit this year is Home for the Holidays.
[01:04:50] Paul Scheer: I love Home for the Holidays.
[01:04:52] June Diane Raphael: Oh.
[01:04:52] Paul Scheer: And that's a Thanksgiving movie, in my opinion.
[01:04:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes, it is.
[01:04:55] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[01:04:55] Jason Mantzoukas: One of the very few.
[01:04:56] June Diane Raphael: Well, also did we, we talk about Christmas Vacation? You said that.
[01:04:59] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Christmas Vacation is, yeah.
[01:05:00] June Diane Raphael: Christmas Vacation to me is a very important, it was a very important piece of my child, or I just, it felt like a formative Christmas movie.
[01:05:09] Paul Scheer: I, I will tell you the movie that, um, I have gone off of, I used to love. A Christmas Story. Love it. Oh, now if I put it on, it, it be, it, it, it irks me in a way. It bothers me in a way that I don't like at all.
[01:05:24] June Diane Raphael: I prefer to watch, and I know I'm in it, but I do prefer to watch 8-bit Christmas.
[01:05:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Uhhuh.
[01:05:28] Paul Scheer: There you go.
[01:05:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[01:05:29] Paul Scheer: I mean, I also, uh, I, I think The Holdovers is gonna make a, a, a showing now. I think I'll watch this. I like The Holdover.
[01:05:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, that's a good, that's a good one. I, I, I like that in, in a Plane, Trains and Automobiles Way.
[01:05:40] Paul Scheer: Yeah. We, we, uh, that, that's a nice one. And I think we were enjoying, uh, you know, we we're gonna watch 'em all. We, we, we get into it. Yeah. Like, I feel like they, the kids might like jingle all the way.
[01:05:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah. That's good.
[01:05:52] Paul Scheer: You know?
[01:05:52] June Diane Raphael: Oh, yeah.
[01:05:54] Paul Scheer: I mean, I don't know.
[01:05:55] June Diane Raphael: I'm so excited to stop talking about this movie and watch all of those movies.
[01:05:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh my God.
[01:05:59] Paul Scheer: Wow.
[01:05:59] Jason Mantzoukas: So excited. I'm, I'm already, I'm so, I'm, I'm so glad to tell you guys I'm already forgetting this movie.
[01:06:05] Paul Scheer: Wow. But please don't forget me, mushing dogs on dry land.
[01:06:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh.
[01:06:10] Paul Scheer: Jason.
[01:06:11] Jason Mantzoukas: None of us will ever forget you dry mushing and also your, your gray market Quail hunting and, um, your de feathering.
[01:06:20] Paul Scheer: I, well, here's the thing. We are gonna continue talking about Christmas. The three of us in person with Jessica St. Clair on December 10th. We are going live and worldwide with our annual holiday tradition. How Did This Get Made uh, a holiday for your ears and your eyes because we are doing it via video. We'll be in the same room. It'll be a lot of fun. Uh, there might even be some fun treats. We'll be announcing the movie very shortly, but you can get tickets.
[01:06:47] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean, you've been listening to this podcast for so many years, you have no idea what we look like.
[01:06:52] Paul Scheer: No idea.
[01:06:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Why not Tune into the the live, live stream.
[01:06:55] Paul Scheer: Finally see us in real life. Uh, and so, uh, get your tickets at HowDidThisGetMade.com or just go right to Veeps. Jessica St. Clair will be there in person, which means no tech issues. But will she get there on time? Question mark.
[01:07:09] June Diane Raphael: It really is a question mark.
[01:07:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, there's no way she'll be on time. I'm willing to say that.
[01:07:13] Paul Scheer: Now. Now, June, you are gonna be doing a, a Christmas special a couple days before ours, right?
[01:07:17] June Diane Raphael: That's right. Now this is a different type of Christmas special, and I do hope Jessica can make it because she is well hosting it.
[01:07:24] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[01:07:24] June Diane Raphael: Um, you know, so I do hope she will be there. But this is our Deep Dive, second annual Christmas Spectacular. Paul will be doing a tour of his Christmas village.
[01:07:36] Paul Scheer: Oh yeah.
[01:07:36] June Diane Raphael: So we'll be able to check in on, on
[01:07:38] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[01:07:38] June Diane Raphael: What all the villagers are up to, what's happening in the town. That's really exciting. It's such a fun show. We will be talking trees and we talk.
[01:07:48] Paul Scheer: Krampus.
[01:07:48] June Diane Raphael: We have a professor, professor of holiday studies. Yeah. Stof Sheer.
[01:07:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.
[01:07:52] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[01:07:52] June Diane Raphael: Paul's cousin will be coming on to discuss Krampus.
[01:07:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Cool.
[01:07:56] June Diane Raphael: So we'll be learning. We'll be celebrating. Head to TheDeepDiveAcademy.com for tickets. And you can use code HOWDIE for $5 off.
[01:08:06] Paul Scheer: Wow.
[01:08:07] June Diane Raphael: All ticket prices.
[01:08:08] Paul Scheer: Making us look bad by not having a code.
[01:08:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Howdy, howdy. Y or howdy Ie?
[01:08:14] June Diane Raphael: Great question. H-O-W-D-I-E.
[01:08:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay.
[01:08:19] Paul Scheer: Why, why pick up such an odd, uh, password? Uh, howdie? How does that tie into, uh, the, why don't just dive? Divers?
[01:08:28] June Diane Raphael: Well, because, well, this code is just for, How Did This Get Made Listeners.
[01:08:30] Paul Scheer: Oh, got it, got it. Oh, sorry. Okay. Got it, got it. Okay. Got it.
[01:08:33] Jason Mantzoukas: So it's a tip of the hat.
[01:08:35] Paul Scheer: I love it.
[01:08:35] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[01:08:37] Paul Scheer: Still love that for our, uh, show, we use code bonkers for mental health.
[01:08:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[01:08:43] Paul Scheer: For a mental health advertiser, like, Hey, you wanna get your brain in check? You use the code bonkers.
[01:08:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Hey, you know what? It'd be great for you to talk to a mental health professional. All you need to do is for 15% off. Put in the password, I'm Coco Bananas.
[01:09:00] Paul Scheer: Uh, Jason, Man on the Inside Season Two is now on Netflix.
[01:09:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Man on the Inside. Season two, get it while the getting's good and Percy Jackson, season two is right around the corner. And then as always, guys, what you know, it's a great holiday watch when you've got downtime. It's called Task Master.
[01:09:19] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[01:09:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Season 19 is all on YouTube. Season 20, just finished. Fantastic season. Watch that as well. Why not?
[01:09:27] Paul Scheer: And if you are looking for a, a, a gift, you can get my book now on paperback and hardcover. And you know what, if you get it in early, I could even sign it for you. Um. Alright, well, uh, don't watch it or maybe watch it.
[01:09:38] If you do, watch it. Don't tell June that you did. That's a wrap on The Christmas Tree. We hope you all sit down with your family after Thanksgiving and enjoy this wonderful film together. If you have anything that we might have missed. And, uh, you know what? There's a lot here. We didn't even talk about the fact that there are two characters that, uh, are just shadows.
[01:09:54] They weren't even colored in or even drawn for that matter. So there's a lot to, uh, add to this conversation. You can give us a call at 619 P-A-U-L-A-S-K, that's 6 1 9 Paul Ask or write a comment on our discord. Go to our discord at Discord.gg/HDTGM and we will respond to your messages and your comments on next week's Last Looks.
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