Josh Brolin is gnarly in 1986's Thrashin'—the classic tale of two lovers caught in a feud between rival teen skateboard gangs. Paul, June, and Jason discuss the famous joust scene, why "The Ramp Locals" is a terrible skate crew name, The Red Hot Chili Peppers cameo, if the boy/girl sex scene turns into a man/woman scene, Hook and Chrissy's weird relationship, the giant bowl of ice cream, and so much more. Plus, June explains why she thinks she could do the LA Massacre Downhill. Watch Josh Brolin talk Thrashin' on Tony Hawk's "Hawk vs Wolf" podcast HERE.
Josh Brolin is gnarly in 1986's Thrashin'—the classic tale of two lovers caught in a feud between rival teen skateboard gangs. Paul, June, and Jason discuss the famous joust scene, why "The Ramp Locals" is a terrible skate crew name, The Red Hot Chili Peppers cameo, if the boy/girl sex scene turns into a man/woman scene, Hook and Chrissy's weird relationship, the giant bowl of ice cream, and so much more. Plus, June explains why she thinks she could do the LA Massacre Downhill.
Watch Josh Brolin talk Thrashin' on Tony Hawk's "Hawk vs Wolf" podcast HERE.
[00:00:00] Paul Scheer: It's West Side Story with daggers and half pipes. We saw Thrashin'. So you know what that means
[00:00:09] Music: [Intro Song]
[00:00:11] Paul Scheer: Hello, people of Earth, and welcome to How Did This Get Made? Today, we are talking about the 1986 classic Thrashin'. What Rad did for BMX bikes, Thrashin' does for skateboarding.
[00:00:23] The movie stars Josh Brolin as a teen amateur skateboarder who travels to Los Angeles so he can compete in the LA Massacre downhill race. He falls in love, he gets into fights, and yes, he gets his nipples kissed. To talk about this great feat of cinema, I have two amazing co-hosts. Please welcome June Diane Raphael and Jason Mantzoukas.
[00:00:45] How are you both?
[00:00:46] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean, I, not to pull back the curtain too much but it took three different intros for us-
[00:00:52] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:00:52] Jason Mantzoukas: ... to get the intro locked and recorded, and boy, am I so delighted that the one that ended with nipples being kissed was the one that we went with. Thank God. Great Great to be here.
[00:01:03] Paul Scheer: Sometimes it just takes a couple takes. I don't normally do it.
[00:01:05] June Diane Raphael: He really nailed it at the end. I almost wanna use all of them, but- Yeah ...
[00:01:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow, the last one. Just, just because it really starts to crackle when, uh, when, when nipples being kissed gets part of it.
[00:01:17] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, and I don't remember that part.
[00:01:19] Paul Scheer: Oh, I remember it- Oh ... very clearly.
[00:01:22] June Diane Raphael: Is that during the sex scene in the trailer? His nipples were-
[00:01:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Do we need to re-watch it?
[00:01:25] June Diane Raphael: God, I really messed up.
[00:01:26] Paul Scheer: Here's what I'm gonna say about this movie. There's a large part of me that feels like Josh Brolin is playing the, uh, the female role in this movie, like the traditionally-
[00:01:36] June Diane Raphael: I'm so ready to talk about it. There's-
[00:01:38] Paul Scheer: Female role.
[00:01:38] June Diane Raphael: Let's start. You know what, Paul?
[00:01:40] Let's talk about it. Because that scene, I just wanna talk about one specific shot where he, his body is in the foreground. She's behind him, and we see his full chest, obviously, has his shirt off.
[00:01:52] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:01:52] June Diane Raphael: She's behind him in a way I've only ever seen-
[00:01:56] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:01:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:01:57] June Diane Raphael: ... a man in a man-woman scene.
[00:01:59] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes, a man, a classic man-woman scene.
[00:02:01] Paul Scheer: Classic man-woman scene.
[00:02:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:02:02] June Diane Raphael: That's always, in man-woman scenes that are love scenes, the, the man is always behind, and the woman always turns her head to sort of kiss from behind.
[00:02:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Agree.
[00:02:12] June Diane Raphael: And man does here.
[00:02:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes, a teenage b- a boy. Um- Yes.
[00:02:15] Paul Scheer: Young boy.
[00:02:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Uh, a boy.
[00:02:17] June Diane Raphael: This is boy/girl.
[00:02:18] Jason Mantzoukas: And I, this is boy/girl. And I, I, I hope it's okay that we are adults and we're gonna talk about boy/girl scenes.
[00:02:25] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:02:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, but I think this w- 'cause I noticed that as well-
[00:02:28] June Diane Raphael: I've never seen that.
[00:02:28] Jason Mantzoukas: ... and the sex scene also has, the sex scene, they do this thing that happens in this era of teenage movies where the characters can only act out the sex of the scene using neck and above.
[00:02:43] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:02:43] Jason Mantzoukas: So their, their heads are doing all of the grinding and the movements that their bodies are not allowed to show.
[00:02:49] Paul Scheer: Well- I think that they were like, "We can't show her chest."
[00:02:53] Jason Mantzoukas: No.
[00:02:54] Paul Scheer: "We can show his."
[00:02:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Correct.
[00:02:56] Paul Scheer: And so he gets a lot of-
[00:02:58] June Diane Raphael: A lot, and it's tender and it's loving. It's the way-
[00:03:00] Jason Mantzoukas: It's very tender.
[00:03:01] June Diane Raphael: ... it's the gaze, the male gaze on a woman usually. Not, not in Thrashers.
[00:03:06] Jason Mantzoukas: No, in Thrashers it's-
[00:03:08] Paul Scheer: Thrashing, June. It's not Thrashers.
[00:03:10] Jason Mantzoukas: It's Thrashing.
[00:03:11] Paul Scheer: Thrashing.
[00:03:12] June Diane Raphael: Excuse-
[00:03:12] Paul Scheer: They are thrashers.
[00:03:13] June Diane Raphael: Excuse me.
[00:03:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:03:14] June Diane Raphael: Excuse me. It is Thrashing. It is in Thrashing we see a cinematic subversive-
[00:03:18] Jason Mantzoukas: No, no, it's, I, I'm so sorry, June. It's, so sorry, June. It's not thrashing.
[00:03:22] June Diane Raphael: What the fuck is it?
[00:03:23] Jason Mantzoukas: It's thrashin'.
[00:03:24] Paul Scheer: Thrashin'.
[00:03:24] June Diane Raphael: Now I gotta do a couple takes of it.
[00:03:26] Jason Mantzoukas: It's, it's thrashin'. It's apo- It's- N apostrophe.
[00:03:29] June Diane Raphael: Wait, wait, wait. Thrashin'.
[00:03:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Thrashin'.
[00:03:31] June Diane Raphael: Okay.
[00:03:32] Jason Mantzoukas: And I, I'm only saying that, June, because I just can't have you out in these streets saying thrashing.
[00:03:36] June Diane Raphael: I understand.
[00:03:36] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean, Jesus.
[00:03:36] June Diane Raphael: No, I appreciate it. I'm willing to do it as many times as it takes. But in Thrashin'- ... there's, they cinematically-
[00:03:45] Paul Scheer: Really hit that N.
[00:03:47] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. They cinematically are very subversive. You don't see even in that scene, even though it's above the waist and it's just two heads, he is shot so lovingly.
[00:04:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:04:01] June Diane Raphael: His body parts are shot
[00:04:03] Paul Scheer: He's glistening. It's like he-
[00:04:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, from the f- ...
[00:04:05] Paul Scheer: He's in that nip.
[00:04:06] Jason Mantzoukas: ... the whole, the whole movie, not just the sex scene, is l- like, really a study- Yeah
[00:04:12] in Josh Brolin's body.
[00:04:14] June Diane Raphael: Yes.
[00:04:14] Jason Mantzoukas: You know?
[00:04:15] Paul Scheer: Which by the way, is great.
[00:04:17] Jason Mantzoukas: It's banging. It's banging ... it's a banging body. His body, it be banging. Body be banging.
[00:04:20] Paul Scheer: And by the way, he gets this after Goonies. And we know-
[00:04:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, that's what I was trying to figure out, is where in his-
[00:04:27] June Diane Raphael: This is, is this exactly post-Goonies?
[00:04:30] Paul Scheer: Well, he talked about this on the Tony Hawk podcast. He said he believes that he got the part because the poster for Goonies was all around LA when he auditioned for this. So he felt like it positioned him as a movie star.
[00:04:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, and I mean, like, this is unquestionably, he's the lead of this movie, and in Goonies he's just like a, an ancillary character.
[00:04:51] June Diane Raphael: Oh, but boy, did he have an impact in Goonies.
[00:04:51] Jason Mantzoukas: So this is, oh, does he pop? I mean, he pops like hell.
[00:04:55] June Diane Raphael: I mean, he was, he was everything to me.
[00:04:56] Paul Scheer: I wouldn't even say ancillary.
[00:04:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, agreed.
[00:04:57] Paul Scheer: I think that he is definitely a part of the Goonie.
[00:05:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:05:00] Paul Scheer: He, he is not a Goonie but he is along-
[00:05:03] Jason Mantzoukas: He's not.
[00:05:03] Paul Scheer: ... Yeah, he's not a Goonie. But he's not. But, but- But we all are Goonies.
[00:05:05] June Diane Raphael: Yes.
[00:05:05] Jason Mantzoukas: ... Listen, it sounds like you guys were in- I, I think that Goonies was a sexual awakening for almost everybody generationally.
[00:05:11] June Diane Raphael: 1000%.
[00:05:11] Jason Mantzoukas: For you guys it sounds like it's Josh Brolin. For me it was Martha Plimpton, and that's where we are.
[00:05:16] Paul Scheer: I will tell you this, I will never have a better movie-going experience than bringing my two sons to see Goonies at Vidiots. Packed theater on a Saturday night, the first time that they had seen it, and everyone there is a nerd who loves Goonies and has seen this movie a million times. But to hear the laughter of a 10-year-old and, like, an eight-year-old at these jokes for the first time, the audience started laughing at that, because they're laughing at, like-
[00:05:48] June Diane Raphael: Oh, that's so special.
[00:05:48] Paul Scheer: ... The penis going on upside down and that. Like, and they're, and they are cackling, but young cackling, and it was, it was a-
[00:05:56] June Diane Raphael: I wish I had been there.
[00:05:57] Paul Scheer: It was a great moment.
[00:05:58] Jason Mantzoukas: That's great.
[00:05:58] Paul Scheer: Sorry you weren't out there.
[00:05:59] June Diane Raphael: I wish I-
[00:05:59] Jason Mantzoukas: I love that.
[00:06:00] June Diane Raphael: ... experienced that. I wonder what I was doing.
[00:06:02] Jason Mantzoukas: I wish I'd, I wish I'd been invited.
[00:06:03] June Diane Raphael: When did you... Y- yeah, when did this happen?
[00:06:04] Jason Mantzoukas: I wish I'd been invited.
[00:06:06] June Diane Raphael: Let me, let me start with this, Paul.
[00:06:08] Paul Scheer: Please.
[00:06:09] June Diane Raphael: Jason. What is thrashin'?
[00:06:14] Paul Scheer: Great question.
[00:06:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Like, honestly, uh, for the listener, it appeared as though June was falling deeper and deeper into a, a, a sleep or a, a post-hypnotic state maybe.
[00:06:28] June Diane Raphael: I-
[00:06:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, yeah, go ahead.
[00:06:29] June Diane Raphael: ... don't, it is described at one point-
[00:06:32] Jason Mantzoukas: What do you think... Yes.
[00:06:32] June Diane Raphael: ... it is defined as aggressive skateboarding.
[00:06:34] Movie Audio: Thrashing. It, it's just an, an aggressive style of skating. You know, we, we thrash.
[00:06:42] Well, what do you thrash?
[00:06:45] What do you got?
[00:06:46] Jason Mantzoukas: So, you know, I, I think that thrashing, it, it, this movie I feel like is taking a term, thrashing, which I do believe referred to as like, like, you know, people being, uh, violent or people being, uh, uh, r- you know, skating hard rather than gracefully or anything like that.
[00:07:06] And in this movie they equate it almost to like they, the, at the punk rock show that the Red Hot Chili Peppers are playing, the kids are like moshing, but on skateboards. I feel like that's what this movie wants you to think is thrashing.
[00:07:19] June Diane Raphael: Because then when they were at the very end, when they were at the, um-
[00:07:23] Jason Mantzoukas: The joust?
[00:07:23] June Diane Raphael: LA Massacre.
[00:07:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, LA Massacre.
[00:07:24] June Diane Raphael: Not the joust.
[00:07:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Not the joust.
[00:07:24] June Diane Raphael: Okay, but, but I did think about the joust.
[00:07:28] Jason Mantzoukas: The joust. I, I have a l- I have a lot of questions about the joust.
[00:07:30] June Diane Raphael: I've got a lot of questions about the joust.
[00:07:31] Paul Scheer: By the way, my first ex- like, uh, connection to the joust is via Jackass, who did that on the actual show. I didn't even know-
[00:07:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, really?
[00:07:41] Paul Scheer: ... that was from Thrashing. They recreated the joust in the MTV show.
[00:07:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, that's so cool.
[00:07:46] June Diane Raphael: Oh, wow.
[00:07:46] Paul Scheer: And it's awesome and extremely dangerous. Well- The joust is an insane thing.
[00:07:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah.
[00:07:53] June Diane Raphael: So I thought by the end, I mean, the joust, that does seem like aggressive skateboarding, right? That's thrashing to me.
[00:08:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:08:00] June Diane Raphael: But then at the end when they were doing the LA Massacre, which seems like competitively like a different category.
[00:08:06] Jason Mantzoukas: It is.
[00:08:07] June Diane Raphael: Like, that's just like downhill, like can you make the turns?
[00:08:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Downhill racing, yes.
[00:08:10] June Diane Raphael: Can you make it? Can you see ahead enough to see if there's like a little divot in the road? Like, that's to me a totally separate skill set.
[00:08:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, this is like a, this is a real thing. You know, remember Xander Cage, Xander Cage does this-
[00:08:24] Paul Scheer: Oh, from xXx.
[00:08:24] Jason Mantzoukas: ... on xXx. Um-
[00:08:26] Paul Scheer: Which we are doing live at Largo in July.
[00:08:28] Jason Mantzoukas: I would love for people to, um, who are interested in this to give a moment of your time to watch the documentary, uh, Dogtown and Z-Boys.
[00:08:38] Paul Scheer: Yeah, lords of Dogtown, right?
[00:08:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Which is, Lords of Dogtown is the movie-
[00:08:42] Paul Scheer: Okay.
[00:08:42] Jason Mantzoukas: ... That was based on it, but Dogtown and Z-Boys, I, is the documentary, Stacy Peralta documentary, that is about this exact era of Skateboarding ... skateboarding, and a teenage Tony Hawk, who is one of the skateboarders in this movie, is in the movie. All of the Bones Brigade. It's about the whole gang of like teenagers who
[00:09:02] June Diane Raphael: Cool.
[00:09:02] Jason Mantzoukas: ... invent this kind of skating and are skating in abandoned pools, but are also doing the slalomy big hill stuff. Like, all of these-
[00:09:10] June Diane Raphael: All right.
[00:09:10] Jason Mantzoukas: ... were very separate things. You're right, June. You know?
[00:09:13] Paul Scheer: I will, I wanna just first answer June's question. Uh, you know, you would think that maybe thrashing is like skateboard dancing, because there seems to be a lot of skateboard dancing in this movie, too, which is so odd. And even in all these documentaries, uh, we're talking about, I didn't seem like that never seemed like part of the culture. Like, let's jump on the skateboard and-
[00:09:38] Jason Mantzoukas: No, nobody was ever like mosh- moshing at a concert on top of a skateboard. That's not part of it.
[00:09:39] Paul Scheer: I will say that technically Thrashing, in skateboard terms, means to skate aggressively at high speeds or with high energy. This is the dictionary definition. It's commonly used when a skater attacks a skate park bowl, or hits a massive drop in, or grinds a heavy obstacle with intensity.
[00:10:00] Jason Mantzoukas: So I think thrashing for skateboarding, maybe if this is the correct analogy, is like shredding for skiing.
[00:10:06] Paul Scheer: Okay. Yeah. Right, and I think it's, it's, it's kind of in a-
[00:10:08] Jason Mantzoukas: You know what I mean? Like, it's not graceful. It's like you're chopping up that mountain, where we shredded that run.
[00:10:14] Paul Scheer: And there's a part of this where, like, skateboarding before this, or when I look at Back to the Future, like, Marty McFly isn't thrashing. He's just skateboarding around, right?
[00:10:23] June Diane Raphael: You're telling me that when he's holding onto the back of the car-
[00:10:26] Paul Scheer: That's not thrashing.
[00:10:27] Jason Mantzoukas: That's not thrashing.
[00:10:28] Paul Scheer: That's just like, kind of-
[00:10:29] June Diane Raphael: That's not thrashing?
[00:10:29] Paul Scheer: No. Thrashing is, like, the, is, like, this competitive, the more Tony Hawk thing, the, like, the, in the pools.
[00:10:35] Jason Mantzoukas: The aggressive pool moves, like the 360s, the 720s, like, the big, aggressive moves.
[00:10:41] June Diane Raphael: I think here's where I'm getting tripped up.
[00:10:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:10:43] Paul Scheer: Well, J- June, when you're playing Tony Hawk on the PS5, like- that's thrashing.
[00:10:47] June Diane Raphael: Well, this is where I'm getting tripped up in everybody using the word aggressive.
[00:10:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Uh-huh.
[00:10:52] June Diane Raphael: So when I see that pool work, when I see them going up like that and holding it for a beat coming back down, to me, that's actually quite graceful. That's beautiful to see.
[00:11:02] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:11:02] June Diane Raphael: That doesn't seem thrashing.
[00:11:02] Jason Mantzoukas: At the time, I don't think it was. At the time, I think that was considered, like, aggro.
[00:11:07] Paul Scheer: Dangerous. I think it's also dan- I think it's dangerous, right? Because, look, we're not gonna be able to-
[00:11:15] Jason Mantzoukas: None of us here.
[00:11:15] Paul Scheer: ... sum up skateboard culture.
[00:11:16] Jason Mantzoukas: None of us.
[00:11:17] Paul Scheer: But I, but I, but I think that that's what this movie is kind of... like, the Daggers, that gang in the movie, the rival skateboard gang, they are known for aggressive ramps and bowls and the-
[00:11:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, they, like, they toss the jacks into the pool to... They're ch- they're cheaters. They're, they're ba- What's interesting, too, is that because this is an '80s movie, it has to map all of our understandings of the good guys and the bad guys onto '50s aesthetics.
[00:11:44] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:11:44] Jason Mantzoukas: So it is, like you mentioned in one of your openings, Paul, I'm not sure if it's the one we chose, uh, it is very West Side Story on skateboards, you know?
[00:11:54] June Diane Raphael: And what, what's so troubling about that, yeah, is that- I love the skateboarding aesthetic clothing-wise. Like, I think it's so cool.
[00:12:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Right.
[00:12:02] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:12:02] June Diane Raphael: I think it's so interesting. During this time, I remember thinking those boys were so cute who wore the big shirts and the baggy pants, and here they're in leather jackets.
[00:12:15] Paul Scheer: They're very-
[00:12:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. It's- The punk rock, the punk rock gang makes no sense.
[00:12:19] June Diane Raphael: Does, right?
[00:12:19] Jason Mantzoukas: I, I'd love to hear from Gen X skateboarders on West Coast, was there ever skateboard kids who looked like they were punk rock kids? 'Cause it doesn't seem right.
[00:12:28] June Diane Raphael: But that's Tony... But Gen X skaters who are West Coast, that is Tony Hawk at this time.
[00:12:31] Jason Mantzoukas: It is. That's what I mean. Yeah.
[00:12:33] June Diane Raphael: Right. And the-
[00:12:33] Paul Scheer: We're, we're gonna hear from Tony Hawk a little bit at the end here, but this is not-
[00:12:36] June Diane Raphael: Is he gonna come on the podcast?
[00:12:37] Paul Scheer: He's not-
[00:12:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Is he here?
[00:12:38] Paul Scheer: He is not here, but he is-
[00:12:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Goddammit.
[00:12:39] Paul Scheer: Uh, we have-
[00:12:40] June Diane Raphael: You put him in the Zoom waiting room?
[00:12:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Is he ...
[00:12:42] Paul Scheer: I told him-
[00:12:42] Jason Mantzoukas: He's in a breakout room?
[00:12:43] Paul Scheer: I was like, "You wait until we get to it, and we're not gonna, we're gonna really, we're gonna talk for a long time."
[00:12:49] June Diane Raphael: In a breakout room.
[00:12:51] Paul Scheer: Uh, we do ask the question, I believe that this is a movie that in skate culture is viewed as, uh, so bad it's good, right?
[00:12:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:12:58] Paul Scheer: It's like it's-
[00:12:58] June Diane Raphael: Okay, that's-
[00:12:58] Paul Scheer: It's getting a lot- Yeah ... it, it's using some people, but also-
[00:13:02] Jason Mantzoukas: This feels like quaint to me.
[00:13:02] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:13:02] Jason Mantzoukas: This feels, you know what this feels... Actually, you know what this movie actually is a map on is The Karate Kid.
[00:13:09] Paul Scheer: Oh. Yes.
[00:13:10] Jason Mantzoukas: It is kid moves to LA from out of town. He enters into a subculture that is sports or sports adjacent, and he's against, I mean, he doesn't have a crew of his own, I guess, so that's, you know, that's hard.
[00:13:22] Paul Scheer: But I mean, but, but Josh Brolin has, like, a loose crew. Like, they, they're existing-
[00:13:24] Jason Mantzoukas: He does.
[00:13:25] Paul Scheer: ... without him.
[00:13:25] Jason Mantzoukas: He does.
[00:13:26] Paul Scheer: And then he kinda just... But I, I do wanna say one thing. I just, I don't wanna, I don't wanna pin you down to anything, Jason, but you said, you know, he moves. You didn't say that he skates from his home to Los Angeles.
[00:13:36] Jason Mantzoukas: I didn't.
[00:13:37] Paul Scheer: That's how this movie opens. This man, Josh Brolin- this boy, skates to Los Angeles, and we don't know exactly where he's starting from, but it seems-
[00:13:46] June Diane Raphael: The Valley.
[00:13:47] Paul Scheer: No, no, no. When his house with his mom, he's skating, it seems like he's skating from Ohio to Los Angeles.
[00:13:55] June Diane Raphael: Are you serious?
[00:13:55] Paul Scheer: Oh, he- He's only in Los Angeles, I f- I believe he's only in Los Angeles for the summer.
[00:13:58] June Diane Raphael: But why do they keep on saying he's from the Valley?
[00:14:00] Paul Scheer: No, 'cause he's with the ramp, the other gang is from the Valley.
[00:14:04] Jason Mantzoukas: His gang are Valley kids, I believe.
[00:14:05] Paul Scheer: That's why he's, like, sleeping in the back of trucks-
[00:14:07] June Diane Raphael: Got it.
[00:14:08] Paul Scheer: ... and he's, like, hopping on, like-
[00:14:09] June Diane Raphael: Maybe he's from, like, San Bernardino?
[00:14:11] Paul Scheer: No, no, no. June, I believe he is from Ohio.
[00:14:14] June Diane Raphael: How old is he, do we think? How could he have skated there?
[00:14:15] Paul Scheer: Like, he is, like, no, 'cause he is skating, I realize, it's like, oh, this is not him skating to get into town. This is him skating-
[00:14:20] Jason Mantzoukas: No, this is him skating for travel.
[00:14:22] Paul Scheer: ... cross-country.
[00:14:22] June Diane Raphael: Right, like, she took the bus to, from, you know, back to Indiana, and then he skated.
[00:14:27] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:14:27] Jason Mantzoukas: We saw every single mile of her journey to, and we saw her get in, her, we saw, we saw her use multiple hitchhike rides on her way back. There was so much shoe leather.
[00:14:40] June Diane Raphael: Never got in with a man. Smart lady.
[00:14:43] Paul Scheer: Yes. Very smart. Well, that-
[00:14:44] Jason Mantzoukas: So much shoe leather, I could not figure it out.
[00:14:47] Paul Scheer: This movie, I mean, there's a couple things that are interesting.
[00:14:49] The, uh, dialogue to skating ratio is, uh, incredibly off. I would say this movie is probably, like, 10 minutes of dialogue and 70 minutes of, uh, skating.
[00:15:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Skating montages. It, there's so many montages. It, by the way, the soundtrack is dynamite.
[00:15:07] Paul Scheer: Oh, I love the sound-
[00:15:08] June Diane Raphael: Yes.
[00:15:08] Paul Scheer: ... Red Hot Chili Peppers-
[00:15:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Every needle drop is great. Yes, the Red Hot Chili Pepp- the original lineup of the Red Hot Chili Peppers is in this movie, inexplicably.
[00:15:16] Paul Scheer: And at, at cer- at, like, when it first started- That's amazing ... I was like, "Oh-" This is not the Red Hot Chili Peppers.
[00:15:21] June Diane Raphael: Me too. And I'm like, "No, it is." I was like, "Oh, that's..." 'Cause they said it's the Red Hot Chili Peppers, but then it has another-
[00:15:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Then they call it the Thrash Bash. Another name. The Thrash Bash, yeah.
[00:15:30] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:15:30] Jason Mantzoukas: And I was like- And I was like, I couldn't figure it out either, but then I was like, "Well, no, that is the Chili Peppers."
[00:15:34] June Diane Raphael: Oh, for sure it was.
[00:15:35] Jason Mantzoukas: It's just, it's, Hillel is still alive, and it's the guy who was the drummer before Chad Smith. So I was like, I don't know what this is.
[00:15:42] Paul Scheer: The other thing that made me laugh at that, uh, that club that they go, not club, but this party where the Chili Peppers are playing is this movie is trying to be like, what is skate culture? And they tried to add so much onto it that they did pass a young girl, I'd say she's, like, 18 years old, smoking a cigarette in, like, one of those, like, 1940s cigarette holders that you would see, like, in, like, Double Indemnity.
[00:16:03] It's like wait, is that coming back too? Like she wouldn't smoke a regular cigarette. She's gotta put it in a little holder.
[00:16:08] Jason Mantzoukas: It just feels like, but that's how it f- it f- it did feel like back then. You would buy stuff at a yard sale or at a thrift shop and be like, "Maybe this is part of my identity."
[00:16:19] Paul Scheer: Fedoras. Like, those little mini fedoras.
[00:16:21] Jason Mantzoukas: The, the kid wearing the fedora is a perfect example. I feel like my generation wore all of the old hats that were for sale at yard sales and thrift stores from the gen- the Greatest Generation who were passing away. That's truly what we were doing.
[00:16:38] June Diane Raphael: Oh, my god.
[00:16:39] Paul Scheer: I, I mean, I, I also wanna say that what I love about movies like this is, you know, I'm not saying that skate culture is stoner culture, but there is definitely a crossover. And movies like this can never show, like, people smoking pot, right? They can only show like, like, Baz is our stoner. But Baz is never drinking, but Baz is stoned all the time. And I love just, like, it's like that Galaxy Quest thing where you can't really ever acknowledge it, but it's like, well, there's something wrong with this guy.
[00:17:12] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, he lets his car get cut in half.
[00:17:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, my God. I, the, when they, when they turned the Volkswagen Rabbit, which was the very first car that I drove-
[00:17:23] Paul Scheer: Oh, wow.
[00:17:24] Jason Mantzoukas: A diesel, tan diesel Volkswagen Rabbit, um, when they cut the roof off of it and make it a cabriolet, when they make it a convertible, I was like, "This is incredible." I lo- this is the kind of teen movie that I just love. Yeah. I love teen, summer, everybody. There's no parents. There's no, like, there's no-
[00:17:45] June Diane Raphael: Parents don't exist in this universe.
[00:17:47] Jason Mantzoukas: No authority figures.
[00:17:47] June Diane Raphael: There's no police.
[00:17:47] Paul Scheer: Yeah. The mom, the mom doesn't even send him to California. She just writes five notes and puts it on his mirror.
[00:17:53] Jason Mantzoukas: That's it.
[00:17:53] Paul Scheer: And to which he leaves the house by jumping out his own window to then skateboard down the roof onto a ramp blocking the garage. Now, as a homeowner, I must say, well, that, you're really kinda, you gotta use, well, you're blocking the garage.
[00:18:05] You gotta use that garage.
[00:18:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Uh, the resale value on this house is cratering.
[00:18:12] Paul Scheer: I, I wanna just, like, there are so many things in here that are crazy to me. Like, obviously, uh, the real issue is, you know, Josh Brolin falls in love with a girl who is the sister of a guy in the rival gang. Now, the Daggers seem like a gang. The ramp locals-
[00:18:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Now, and I wanna be clear.
[00:18:34] Paul Scheer: ... seem like skate kids.
[00:18:34] Jason Mantzoukas: They seem like a '50s, like a Grease gang.
[00:18:37] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:18:37] Jason Mantzoukas: They, they are like a greaser gang.
[00:18:39] Paul Scheer: The only difference between them being like a greaser gang is that they pose for pictures, uh, they take a gang picture around a ramp.
[00:18:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:18:47] Paul Scheer: That is one of my f- like, like, "Hey, everybody, get in here. Get in here. We're taking our gang picture." Like, they're, they're all po-
[00:18:53] June Diane Raphael: I mean, listen, they do light a ramp on fire.
[00:18:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep.
[00:18:56] Paul Scheer: Yeah. They are violent. I mean, they are violent. They are the Daggers.
[00:18:59] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah.
[00:18:59] Paul Scheer: They live in a house... First of all, uh, his sister is acting like she's not living in a flophouse. I mean, the Daggers' main house has daggers painted-
[00:19:08] June Diane Raphael: It's really upsetting.
[00:19:09] Paul Scheer: On cupboard doors. And they, they're... That house is a crack den. Yeah. And she's living in it like, "I just got back from the mall." "Everything's good." I'm like, wait, wait, no. You are living-
[00:19:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah. And she's, like, a real, living a real kind of like, uh, Sherilyn Fen- there's a group of, like, uh, uh, Daggers hangers-on, led by Sherilyn Fenn, who's dating the head of the Daggers, the brother of, uh, of the main girl, who's now falling in love with Josh Brolin's character, and they all... The Daggers and their girls, especially for the joust, are all doing crazy face makeup all the time. Why? They're almost dressed-
[00:19:46] Paul Scheer: They look like they got scarred or something like that.
[00:19:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:19:48] June Diane Raphael: But this is what's so weird about that makeup, 'cause I was thinking about that, too, Jason. It's not... It doesn't really line up-
[00:19:54] Jason Mantzoukas: No.
[00:19:55] June Diane Raphael: ... with what their clo- like, the rest of the vibe, 'cause he's a-
[00:19:58] Jason Mantzoukas: No, they're dressed like punk rockers, but they're wearing almost goth makeup,
[00:20:02] June Diane Raphael: It's very strange. I mean, at one point, Velvet cuts a lock of her hair- Yeah ... and makes it into an earring for her main guy. And I'm like.
[00:20:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Who, who was, who was organizing this and being like, "So this is how we're gonna ... And in this scene, we- you'll cut some of your hair and you'll turn it into an earring just like we researched it, just like these kids do." What?
[00:20:22] Paul Scheer: I mean, I, I, I wanna play this clip. Like, this is an insane moment. Like, this character, the head of the Daggers, who is so kind of brutal and mean and tough, is like:
[00:20:31] Movie Audio: What do you think? Should I wear this, uh, skull and a dagger or the hoop and the dagger?
[00:20:38] Nah, just wear the dagger and a bone through your nose.
[00:20:43] Don't be a smartass. It's important to me.
[00:20:45] Paul Scheer: Hey, I take my, my jewelry seriously. Like, he's like "I'm just being seri-" Like, he wants to know, like, "What should I wear? A bone, a hoop, or a dagger?"
[00:20:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, he also is like, he really, to your point earlier, he really wants to make sure his little sister gets in the gang picture.
[00:21:01] Paul Scheer: Yes. Oh-
[00:21:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Like, I don't, I don't think she's really even part of the gang.
[00:21:05] Paul Scheer: She's definitely not.
[00:21:05] Jason Mantzoukas: She wears, like, bright colors.
[00:21:07] June Diane Raphael: And I don't know how she's keeping those clothes so pressed-
[00:21:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:21:12] June Diane Raphael: And clean. And that, that house- She brought a steamer ... seriously should be condemned. Maybe she- Yeah ... brought a portable stre- steamer. You don't leave home without it, Paul.
[00:21:18] Paul Scheer: No, I can't. Yeah. I love it. I mean, it's, it's a great thing to have in the-
[00:21:21] June Diane Raphael: Listen, West Side Story, like, the The brother-sister dynamic here felt-
[00:21:30] Paul Scheer: Get into it.
[00:21:30] June Diane Raphael: ... very off to me.
[00:21:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Yep.
[00:21:33] June Diane Raphael: It didn't feel like, um, above board. Hmm. His energy toward her was not, "I'm an overprotective brother," it was, "I'm your abusive boyfriend."
[00:21:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Very much. I agree very much. And it al- and it wasn't helped by the fact that, for reasons I can't quite understand, everybody seems the same age. You know? There, there does not seem to be an older-
[00:21:58] June Diane Raphael: He kept on saying, "That's my..."
[00:21:59] Jason Mantzoukas: ... younger contingent, you know?
[00:22:01] June Diane Raphael: No. He kept on saying, "Ah, you guys know what it's like. Kid sister." I'm like, "Where is the kid?"
[00:22:05] Paul Scheer: He's like brother, he's like brother daddy. If anything- And daddy is also a little creepy. It's 'cause it's, it, it's, he-
[00:22:11] Jason Mantzoukas: But she seems like the more mature older one, which is-
[00:22:13] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:22:14] Jason Mantzoukas: ... which is also fucking with my sense of w- who's who.
[00:22:17] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. It's like I know it's a man/woman scene, but what within that are these two people to each other?
[00:22:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, see, here's the thing. I feel like, not to overcomplicate it, I feel like I'm looking at this boy/girl scene, and they're acting like it's a man/woman scene. And I'm like, "I don't know, I don't, how, I can't make heads or tails out of it."
[00:22:34] Paul Scheer: I just kept on laughing because I knew it wasn't this person, but I kept on picturing the brother as a young Hank Azaria, 'cause he had a look that reminded me. And I was like, "This is a... Like, if Hank Azaria is this, like, tough guy," 'cause the other thing-
[00:22:47] Jason Mantzoukas: He was giving me Jason Gedrick vibes.
[00:22:49] Paul Scheer: Oh, yes.
[00:22:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Right? That's Iron Eagle, right?
[00:22:52] Paul Scheer: Oh, 100% Iron Eagle.
[00:22:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, okay. Good, good, good.
[00:22:53] Paul Scheer: I love Jason Gedrick. Yeah. Uh, or did. Um, the other thing about him was they, none of them could agree on what accent anyone would really have in this movie.
[00:23:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:23:01] Paul Scheer: Because Josh Brolin's kind of rocking a little bit of an accent, and then Chrissy is really rocking an accent that doesn't seem Midwest at all. It, uh, it almost seems, like, New Yorky. Like, you're putting all these people together, and I'm like, "Well, you can hear each other. We have, we haven't all agreed on what we're, what we're doing here?"
[00:23:21] It was really There were so many things that were off-putting about the relationships, their voices. I mean, I loved every, loved every moment of it. Um, but it, it's an odd vibe because you wanted... Chrissy needed to get reprimanded, I guess. I don't know if she needed to, but that's what they're kinda doing to her in the movie a lot. But her brother's, like, straight up evil.
[00:23:43] Jason Mantzoukas: But it also, like, I, I kind of wished, I guess, and maybe this wouldn't have helped, maybe it would've, I kind of wished that, um, Chrissy had in fact been a dagger, was like-
[00:23:55] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:23:55] Jason Mantzoukas: ... a loyal dagger.
[00:23:57] June Diane Raphael: I think that would've helped. Because then she would've been torn in some way.
[00:23:59] Jason Mantzoukas: Correct. Yes.
[00:23:59] June Diane Raphael: And as it was, she was like, "Yeah, I like this guy." "
[00:24:02] Jason Mantzoukas: I like this guy. Why can't you support me?" You know?
[00:24:04] Paul Scheer: And, and she doesn't have any allegiance.
[00:24:06] Jason Mantzoukas: And it's like, "Oh, yeah, obviously."
[00:24:06] Paul Scheer: Yeah, she doesn't have any, like, none of her friends are trying to pull her away from him. You know, it-
[00:24:12] Jason Mantzoukas: She doesn't seem to have individual friends. Like Sherilyn Fenn is not her friend. It's her brother's girlfriend. So she seemed, like, really on her own.
[00:24:22] June Diane Raphael: Yeah. Also, gosh I, I didn't know if our guys who are in the Valley, like, they're... The name that they gave themselves, The Ramp Locals.
[00:24:34] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:24:34] Paul Scheer: The Ramp Locals, terrible name.
[00:24:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Terrible.
[00:24:36] June Diane Raphael: Terrible name.
[00:24:37] Paul Scheer: We're The Ramp Locals.
[00:24:39] June Diane Raphael: What does that mean?
[00:24:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. I'm assuming it's a skate ramp. Um, a- it's for locals only maybe. I, I don't know. I mean, I'm just, I'm-
[00:24:47] Paul Scheer: Well, they definitely have, they definitely have a ramp in a cornfield.
[00:24:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:24:50] Paul Scheer: I mean, I don't know where that ramp was built in Los Angeles. I'm like, it looks like it was, like, in the Field of Dreams, uh, lot.
[00:24:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, they also, like, in the montages, they also are, like, skateboarding up and down Hollywood Boulevard.
[00:25:01] June Diane Raphael: Yes, they are.
[00:25:02] Jason Mantzoukas: You know, which I will say, it was very fun to see stretches of Hollywood Boulevard-
[00:25:07] Paul Scheer: Oh, I loved it.
[00:25:07] Jason Mantzoukas: ... You know, not like they are now. What, what year is this, Paul? Do, do we have any chances?
[00:25:11] Paul Scheer: Uh, '86.
[00:25:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Like, '80, mid '80s Hollywood Boulevard. Mm-hmm. You had the, the Scientology Center's right c- is still that same building. But, yeah.
[00:25:17] Paul Scheer: They were by Waco over in Los Feliz.
[00:25:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, oh my God, the Waco. I, like, I freaked out when I saw Waco.
[00:25:22] Paul Scheer: Me too.
[00:25:22] Jason Mantzoukas: I loved that.
[00:25:23] June Diane Raphael: I also loved the, the choice to make the owner of the skate shop-
[00:25:27] Paul Scheer: Oh, please.
[00:25:28] June Diane Raphael: I mean- ... who, who's going to, who's going to, like, give the winner of the LA Massacre a sponsorship, to make him, like, a suit. Yeah. Like, a classic '80s corporate suit.
[00:25:37] Paul Scheer: A man who has never skated.
[00:25:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, like almost like he's Lou Pearlman or something.
[00:25:40] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:25:40] Jason Mantzoukas: You know?
[00:25:41] Paul Scheer: He's never, he's, he's a, he's a, a figure man who never has touched a skateboard in his life, doesn't look like it, and it looks like he's a weird man with a van who's trying to get kids in the back of it.
[00:25:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:25:51] Paul Scheer: Like, and, and then when you meet him, he's, like, Willy Wonka-esque. He's like, "Here, put this tire in your mouth." Wait, what? Why are why, why are, why is he asking Josh Brolin to bite on the wheel of a skateboard?
[00:26:04] June Diane Raphael: I didn't- I didn't understand that.
[00:26:06] Jason Mantzoukas: No.
[00:26:06] June Diane Raphael: And I didn't care for it, in fact.
[00:26:08] Jason Mantzoukas: But he's a businessman. He's not a-
[00:26:10] June Diane Raphael: He's a businessman. He's a businessman. Yeah.
[00:26:11] Jason Mantzoukas: And that's what's important.
[00:26:12] June Diane Raphael: He doesn't really care about the culture.
[00:26:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Correct.
[00:26:13] June Diane Raphael: You know how that happens in skateboarding.
[00:26:15] Paul Scheer: But wait, can I just say one thing about him, too?
[00:26:17] June Diane Raphael: Please.
[00:26:17] Paul Scheer: When they're in his little factory and he's you know, he's, like, overseeing the work in the factory, he's like, "I only care about winners."
[00:26:24] And then just off in a random shelf in the middle of a warehouse, he has his trophy collection.
[00:26:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:26:30] Paul Scheer: He's like, like this. It's like, wait. You're not even displaying that for anyone to see.
[00:26:35] Jason Mantzoukas: So weird.
[00:26:35] Paul Scheer: Yeah. It's not around your desk. It is just a shelf in the factory to show that... And then why would you get the trophies if you repre- Like, it's just an odd thing.
[00:26:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. No, it's ridiculous.
[00:26:45] June Diane Raphael: It's like producers getting an Oscar.
[00:26:47] Paul Scheer: I, I guess, yeah. I g- I... But they're getting a... But producers don't even get a real Oscar apparently. They have to get the, uh, the invitation only.
[00:26:54] Jason Mantzoukas: One of my favorite specifics in this movie was in the gang, in our gang.
[00:27:00] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:27:00] Jason Mantzoukas: The hero gang. The, the, the Ramp-
[00:27:02] Paul Scheer: Ramp Locals.
[00:27:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Ramp Locals, sorry. Um- Is that they have, like, an authentic, like, 13-year-old in their crew
[00:27:10] Paul Scheer: Oh, I loved him.
[00:27:11] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:27:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Who every time he pipes up, like when, when, when the bad guy is like, "You be at the Br- I'll meet you at the Bronson half pipe," by the way, which is up the street from where I used to live. I used to- My, the, my hike every day used to be right past the Bronson half pipe, which is so funny. There were kids still skating on it.
[00:27:29] Paul Scheer: Ugh.
[00:27:30] June Diane Raphael: Oh, wow. Cool.
[00:27:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Anyway, he said, "I'll meet you. You be there." And then, and then the little kid just goes, "No, you be there." And they cut to this little kid wearing sunglasses, and I'm like, make the movie about this fucking kid.
[00:27:42] June Diane Raphael: I loved that kid. I want- I thought he was great in that little scene.
[00:27:43] Jason Mantzoukas: I loved the kid.
[00:27:44] June Diane Raphael: You know what I was confounded by? When we're on our, like, epic date with-
[00:27:51] Jason Mantzoukas: All night.
[00:27:52] June Diane Raphael: ... with Josh Brolin, the whole night, and by the way, you know, her hair is long, and then it's short, and then it's long, and then it's short again.
[00:27:57] Paul Scheer: Well, they, June, you have to remember that they did go from, like, Santa Monica to Hollywood to Los Feliz back to Santa Monica.
[00:28:02] June Diane Raphael: It's chopped into such a, like, smart bob. I'm like, "She had long hair two scenes ago." That night, I think, or maybe it's a different night, they're at a diner, and we cut in, and they've- Ugh ... just finished, they have just finished a bowl that's the size of, hmm.
[00:28:24] Paul Scheer: Like a serving dish of salad for like, uh.
[00:28:27] June Diane Raphael: Like- Dinner party of 18.
[00:28:28] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:28:29] Jason Mantzoukas: No, a gi- like the biggest bowl, serving bowl that can be made.
[00:28:34] June Diane Raphael: That, that can be made-
[00:28:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:28:35] June Diane Raphael: ... is what they've eaten from, and they're on the tail end of it. And it's also like china, like it's, it is-
[00:28:42] Jason Mantzoukas: It, it, it would almost be like the biggest bowl of popcorn you can get at the movies, you know what I mean?
[00:28:47] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:28:47] Jason Mantzoukas: But, but bigger. But bigger.
[00:28:48] June Diane Raphael: The bowl itself was way too fancy.
[00:28:51] Paul Scheer: It read to me like she was the only one who ate it, 'cause Josh Brolin's sitting- Oh ... with his back up against the wall. Like he's not-
[00:28:58] Jason Mantzoukas: What was it?
[00:28:59] Paul Scheer: ... actively in... It's ice-
[00:29:00] June Diane Raphael: They say it was ice cream.
[00:29:01] Paul Scheer: ... the people behind them-
[00:29:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, it was ice cream.
[00:29:02] Paul Scheer: They have a, they have it.
[00:29:04] June Diane Raphael: They did?
[00:29:04] Paul Scheer: The people behind, oh, the people behind them had it. Now I will just say- Oh ... uh, Jason, you know, you don't know this, but I was just in Vegas and, uh, I ate something called The Titanic. And The Titanic at Carmine's, uh, is a ice cream sundae that looks like the Titanic.
[00:29:22] Jason Mantzoukas: What?
[00:29:22] Paul Scheer: It has, uh, three smoke stacks in it with a bunch of chocolate and vanilla ice cream over a, uh, a giant brownie. And it, and, and I had two children with me, and it was just me, and we put, I would say, one-fourth of a dent into this thing.
[00:29:40] June Diane Raphael: Wow.
[00:29:40] Paul Scheer: And o- I had a different appreciation for how hard it would be to eat that bowl of ice cream. And it feels like Chrissy just went to town on it.
[00:29:49] Jason Mantzoukas: It do- it feels like the kind of thing that you would ha- you would win a T-shirt for finishing.
[00:29:54] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:29:54] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, there it is.
[00:29:55] Paul Scheer: We're looking at it.
[00:29:56] June Diane Raphael: I don't know how-
[00:29:57] Jason Mantzoukas: It's so big.
[00:29:58] Paul Scheer: And it's full of bananas, and the person behind-
[00:30:00] June Diane Raphael: Oh, I see, in the back.
[00:30:01] Paul Scheer: ... it's a gi- it looks like a gigantic bana- uh, banana split.
[00:30:04] June Diane Raphael: Looks delicious actually.
[00:30:04] Jason Mantzoukas: And you're right. Y- okay, I have an update. I know what it is now.
[00:30:08] June Diane Raphael: Okay.
[00:30:08] Jason Mantzoukas: It's unequivocally a punch bowl.
[00:30:11] Paul Scheer: Okay. Yes.
[00:30:11] June Diane Raphael: Yes. Thank you, Jason. Yeah. It's a punch bowl. So, but here's the thing. They have a, they have more time together. Anyone, I don't care if you have a stomach of steel.
[00:30:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Nope.
[00:30:24] June Diane Raphael: Anyone's gonna be in pain after that.
[00:30:27] Jason Mantzoukas: This is, this is gonna be-
[00:30:28] June Diane Raphael: This is like the nicest fucking oh ...
[00:30:30] Jason Mantzoukas: A gastrointestinal nightmare.
[00:30:32] Paul Scheer: You do not want to have sex after eating a punch bowl full of ice cream.
[00:30:37] Jason Mantzoukas: This is- No ... th- i- this is one of two things. This is either creating a diarrhea factory in your body, or it's stopping stuff up for a week.
[00:30:48] June Diane Raphael: Wait, is that, is the sex scene after this?
[00:30:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Correct.
[00:30:53] June Diane Raphael: Wow.
[00:30:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Really next level stuff.
[00:30:57] June Diane Raphael: That- Just looking at it, I'm like, the amount that even if they both consumed it, even if they split it equally-
[00:31:04] Jason Mantzoukas: My favorite... Oh, yeah.
[00:31:04] Paul Scheer: I'm telling you guys-
[00:31:05] Jason Mantzoukas: It's disgusting.
[00:31:05] Paul Scheer: ... I lived this. I lived Titanic and and it was, it was a lot of whipped cream. You know, it's like, it's meant to be a spectacle that people get, that no one really will ever finish.
[00:31:18] June Diane Raphael: Well, it's not for consum- It's no one expects you to eat that whole thing.
[00:31:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Ugh.
[00:31:22] Paul Scheer: No. So that's why we never follow-
[00:31:24] Jason Mantzoukas: It's a, it's a challenge.
[00:31:24] Paul Scheer: ... Mr. Flood into the back of his van- It feels like...
[00:31:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Oh, God.
[00:31:28] Paul Scheer: ... where he has got all the ice cream you can eat. Uh-
[00:31:30] Jason Mantzoukas: One of the things that I want to say that I loved a- about the sex scene, uh, that we did speak about earlier and, and just how tender and how much it's about love, uh, is, and their connection with each other, um, is that like all good '80s movies, it is soundtracked to a duet, a ballad that is a man-woman duet, a, a boy-girl duet scene.
[00:31:54] Paul Scheer: Let The Love Begin. Let The Love Begin is the best song-
[00:31:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, it's so good.
[00:31:56] Paul Scheer: ... ever written. The lyrics are, I mean, wow. It, it, it is, I, I rewound it.
[00:32:02] Jason Mantzoukas: I also loved the song that was Don't Think Twice, which was also great.
[00:32:05] June Diane Raphael: Mm.
[00:32:05] Paul Scheer: Oh.
[00:32:05] Jason Mantzoukas: That appeared ear- I mean, the soundtrack is great. I looked it up. It's not officially on Spotify, but a number of the songs are.
[00:32:12] Paul Scheer: Can I just read a line from, uh, Let The Love Begin?
[00:32:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:32:15] Paul Scheer: Um, "Two different people from such different worlds apart has touched each other's hearts like candles in the dark. It's time for us, we gotta take it, take a chance, the chance to make it now. Let the love begin."
[00:32:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:32:32] June Diane Raphael: Let the love begin.
[00:32:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Let the- I love it.
[00:32:35] Paul Scheer: Let the love begin.
[00:32:35] June Diane Raphael: Oh, I will say even though I don't know what they... I don't know. I did feel that they had a very nice connection.
[00:32:42] Paul Scheer: I liked them.
[00:32:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, I agree.
[00:32:43] June Diane Raphael: They had great chemistry, and I was like, "Yeah."
[00:32:45] Paul Scheer: Well, they're both, like, they're both Midwestern people. Like, that's the other hilarious part about this. They both are outsiders from LA. They both seem level-headed and honest.
[00:32:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:32:54] Paul Scheer: And they get together. There, there's no real conflict in them at all.
[00:32:59] Jason Mantzoukas: No.
[00:32:59] Paul Scheer: Right. Like, the, there's no reason for us to not root for them. Like, they seem like arguably they should just leave town together because their lives would be better off. A- a- and my... Oh, I also loved... So when Chrissy decides that she's g- she's leaving, you know, this town, it's too much for her. Uh, they've broken his arm. The joust, I think is, is proves to be too much, uh, maybe. The joust, we'll get into in a minute, but they put her... The, the brother's like, "Fine, you're leaving? Great." He drives her to the bus station in the middle of the night. We then cut to her-
[00:33:33] June Diane Raphael: Oh my God, you're right.
[00:33:34] Paul Scheer: ... we cut to her sleeping on the bus station benches-
[00:33:37] June Diane Raphael: So poorly.
[00:33:37] Paul Scheer: ... the next day, midday. She wakes up. When did her b- she's... He dropped her off at, like, 2:00 in the morning, and she slept there all night and waited.
[00:33:46] June Diane Raphael: He likes to arrive early. I mean, I had hoped-
[00:33:48] Jason Mantzoukas: What the fuck was this?
[00:33:49] June Diane Raphael: Honestly, I'd hoped that she'd already done one leg.
[00:33:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Maybe.
[00:33:53] June Diane Raphael: God, I hope.
[00:33:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Maybe. But, I mean, then she gets on multiple buses.
[00:33:58] Paul Scheer: I mean, she's not sleeping.
[00:34:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Then into m- She's- It's crazy. She didn't even-
[00:34:01] June Diane Raphael: I don't know ... she didn't- And it's like, I have to be honest, when I watched this, 'cause you're right, Jason, like, we were so with her on this bus trip.
[00:34:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:34:09] June Diane Raphael: I actually thought to myself watching it, I was like, "You know- I never think to take a bus somewhere.
[00:34:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, wow.
[00:34:16] June Diane Raphael: You know, it never occurs to me.
[00:34:18] Paul Scheer: Of course not.
[00:34:18] Jason Mantzoukas: I did. In, uh, in New York I did buses. I did buses in New York. Uh, I, there were times where I would take the bus from New York to Boston.
[00:34:26] June Diane Raphael: Yes, I never did that. I was always on a train.
[00:34:28] Jason Mantzoukas: That, that, you know.
[00:34:29] Paul Scheer: Yeah, exactly. The Hampton Jitney was a, a thing that people did.
[00:34:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep.
[00:34:32] Paul Scheer: Like, you go out to The Hamptons, you could take a-
[00:34:33] June Diane Raphael: Okay, sure.
[00:34:34] Jason Mantzoukas: If the movie had been smart, it would've made the slalom second to last and the joust last, right?
[00:34:44] Paul Scheer: Well, no, 'cause I think the joust-
[00:34:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Because the joust to me seems so, like, violent and so much more like the...
[00:34:52] Paul Scheer: Yeah. She's g- They have to overcome. Like, I mean, that's the thing.
[00:34:54] Jason Mantzoukas: I guess so, yeah.
[00:34:55] Paul Scheer: Like, he's got the broken arm. How can he-
[00:34:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, you're right.
[00:34:56] Paul Scheer: That was why he came here in the first place, and then he's like, "Get out of here."
[00:35:01] Jason Mantzoukas: The slalom just felt so blah to me.
[00:35:01] Paul Scheer: Yeah, it was not as fun.
[00:35:02] June Diane Raphael: It really did. The sl- It's just simply watching a bunch of people on skateboards go downhill.
[00:35:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:35:09] June Diane Raphael: Like, there's nothing that's like, "Oh, well, you're just taking g- the gravity and using it, and you're going down." There's, there was no skill required.
[00:35:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Spoken like a loser who never finished a downhill slalom, June. It's a lot. You w- What are you, just flying to hell? Yeah. You know what? You know what?
[00:35:26] June Diane Raphael: Maybe the joke is on me. But I couldn't tell. Like, when I see someone skiing downhill, I'm like, "Oh, it's a lot of fucking work."
[00:35:33] Jason Mantzoukas: But w- I agree.
[00:35:34] June Diane Raphael: I don't know what they were doing.
[00:35:35] Jason Mantzoukas: 'Cause to me, it's just like they're just going. They're using gravity, okay? But what's so impressive in skateboarding is the tricks, is the stuff they're doing off of the-
[00:35:46] June Diane Raphael: That's what I'm saying.
[00:35:46] Jason Mantzoukas: ... off of the pipes and the pools and all that stuff. That should've been-
[00:35:46] Paul Scheer: This is the moment, this is the moment that we're in between.
[00:35:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:35:51] Paul Scheer: That's what I think is happening here, because this is like this middle ground where it was like, oh, skateboarding was always just like I'm skating, like a, like a very pedestrian thing. And then it was like, oh, we're gonna do this more extreme thing of going downhill, and then it became like the skateboarding that we know.
[00:36:05] So I feel like this is kind of like paying homage to what it was.
[00:36:08] Jason Mantzoukas: No, I think you're right.
[00:36:10] Paul Scheer: And what, and that, that is something.
[00:36:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. And I think that is kind of what that documentary shows.
[00:36:12] June Diane Raphael: Like, I feel like I could have done the LA Massacre.
[00:36:15] Paul Scheer: Wow.
[00:36:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Same.
[00:36:16] June Diane Raphael: I'm not saying I would've won.
[00:36:17] Paul Scheer: Wow, no way. No way. I would've flipped off into one of the things, and my legs would've broken.
[00:36:20] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, I would've won immediately having never set foot on a skateboard.
[00:36:26] June Diane Raphael: I think I would've gotten pretty far. I mean, by the way, people were... That was what was making me laugh. So many people did seem to fall and have to drop out from just like a curb. Like, things that seemed so easy to overcome.
[00:36:40] Paul Scheer: I mean, w- was this an illegal event? Because it felt like, the LA Massacre felt to me like an underground event. Like, the pool thing felt like it's an
[00:36:48] Jason Mantzoukas: It felt underground-
[00:36:48] June Diane Raphael: A police officer.
[00:36:48] Jason Mantzoukas: But there was a helicopter.
[00:36:50] Paul Scheer: Right, there, and-
[00:36:50] June Diane Raphael: There was a helicopter. There was full teams of- Yeah ... like medical teams, and there was a L- I thought an LAPD or, or a state trooper taking the speed with one of those-
[00:37:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes, that's right.
[00:37:02] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:37:02] June Diane Raphael: ... speed readers.
[00:37:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:37:04] June Diane Raphael: So it seemed.
[00:37:06] Jason Mantzoukas: It felt like.
[00:37:06] Paul Scheer: Somebody set up the hay bales. I mean, the hay bales were set up
[00:37:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, it felt like there was some sort of official sanctioning of the LA Massacre, but I don't know that that was true for the pool, and certainly it wasn't true for the Jackson situation
[00:37:18] Paul Scheer: Well, the announcer's coming everywhere, and I was like, "Where is this... first of all, where is the announcer located? And w- did they install a speaker system throughout the LA Massacre?" Because he-
[00:37:27] June Diane Raphael: Miles, miles, and miles.
[00:37:29] Paul Scheer: Miles of speakers had to go out there.
[00:37:31] Jason Mantzoukas: I loved it.
[00:37:32] Paul Scheer: And the, a announcer who I do love, uh, can see every little move in that pool, but not when someone drops jacks. Like, jacks?
[00:37:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, my God, nobody, nobody noticed when the guy dropped the jacks into the pool? And nobody said, "Hey, there's jacks in here." Some- Right ... nobody after the fact said, "Someone did this."
[00:37:51] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, everything is, I, uh, yeah, it's all illegal. We gotta start over. Don't ever let them apply again.
[00:37:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Which I would've, which I would've been cool with if it was like, "You know what? W- when we're not on LA Massacre, anything goes." Like there are no-
[00:38:06] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:38:06] June Diane Raphael: Same.
[00:38:06] Jason Mantzoukas: ... no holds barred kind of thing.
[00:38:08] June Diane Raphael: But by the way, did he happen to have those jacks in his pocket?
[00:38:10] Paul Scheer: Oh, he went there to, he went there... Wait, I like that world, that he just happened to have them. Like, he got his wallet, his dagger, and a bunch of jacks, 'cause we're gonna play some jacks later on today.
[00:38:19] Jason Mantzoukas: The perfect example of, like, it's a gang in the '80s carrying around a pocket kids game from the '20s.
[00:38:26] June Diane Raphael: Yes.
[00:38:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Like, what the fuck is happening? Why are, why is this guy in the '80s dressed like he's in the '50s carrying around toys from the '20s? This is so weird.
[00:38:40] Paul Scheer: Um, the one thing I, I thought about the announcer that made me laugh was, um, th- we're watching this, and this is where... Like, the skateboarding is just fun, and it's not bad skateboarding. It's like, they have professionals, it looks great, it's so cool.
[00:38:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, the, the, the stunt team is basically all of the Bones Brigade guys. It is Tony Hawk, it is, like, everybody in there is, like, one of the, like, some of the best skateboarders of this era.
[00:39:05] Paul Scheer: It w- the- so, like, I'm not critiquing the skating, but I am critiquing the announcer who, we just watched a guy in the, in the pool crash out, uh, get really seriously injured, and the announcer goes, "Well, that's gonna be a tough act to follow."
[00:39:22] I'm like- ... no, it's not. He failed.
[00:39:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:39:24] Paul Scheer: He is injured. He did not succeed.
[00:39:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, they're also doing maneuvers and tricks that are dead simple. Like.
[00:39:31] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:39:31] Jason Mantzoukas: It's from an era of skateboarding that feels truly quaint.
[00:39:34] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:39:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Like, this, the trick, like, somebody does a 360, and people lose their minds. He does a slow 360.
[00:39:42] Paul Scheer: They clip it so slow.
[00:39:45] Jason Mantzoukas: ... it's so crazy ...
[00:39:45] Paul Scheer: I was like, this is le- this is unimpressive. When you slow it down, it actually looks lamer.
[00:39:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah.
[00:39:48] June Diane Raphael: Here's what I couldn't understand, though, about his, about Josh Brolin's break because, uh, it did seem like he broke his arm, right? But the bandage was on his back, and there seemed to be a cut back there.
[00:40:03] Paul Scheer: Well, I think that Jack got in there. I always thought that he had injury from the jacks. Like, he fe- like, the Jacks made his board flip and then he fell on a jack.
[00:40:11] Jason Mantzoukas: I do think that's ... I think the back injury is from the jacks, and the ha- the broken arm is from the joust.
[00:40:16] June Diane Raphael: Now, how did our-
[00:40:16] Paul Scheer: The joust, 100%, yeah.
[00:40:18] June Diane Raphael: I see. Oh, right, of course, there were two. Now-
[00:40:20] Paul Scheer: Because he starts wailing him in the arm, which is also so funny. It's like, if you're gonna tr- hurt the guy, wail him in the fucking legs so he can't skateboard.
[00:40:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, yeah. Galu- galooly this guy. What are we talking about?
[00:40:31] Paul Scheer: Why are we do- why are we worried about his arms? Like, you know.
[00:40:35] Jason Mantzoukas: We gotta fucking galooly this guy i- i- into submission.
[00:40:39] June Diane Raphael: Oh, my gosh.
[00:40:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, I do wanna, I do wanna, uh, I, I know we're doing extreme sports as our summer theme-
[00:40:45] Paul Scheer: Sure.
[00:40:45] Jason Mantzoukas: ... which I'm very much on board for. But, uh, this ma- this movie gave me such a powerful nostalgia for another movie that I am requesting that we include, that is much more of an '80s teen summer movie-
[00:40:58] Paul Scheer: Mm.
[00:40:58] June Diane Raphael: Okay
[00:40:59] Jason Mantzoukas: ... which we, which we've discussed in the past. Um, but let me know your thoughts on The Legend of Billie Jean.
[00:41:05] Paul Scheer: Never saw it.
[00:41:06] June Diane Raphael: I never seen it, yeah.
[00:41:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, Give My Brother Back His Bike? Wait, neither of you have seen The Legend of Billie Jean?
[00:41:11] Paul Scheer: No.
[00:41:12] June Diane Raphael: No.
[00:41:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Put it on, Scott, put it on the docket.
[00:41:15] June Diane Raphael: Okay, great.
[00:41:16] Paul Scheer: Whoa.
[00:41:16] Jason Mantzoukas: This, to me, is a much beloved insane '80s teen movie that is young Christian Slater, young Helen Slater. Boy is, and it has the vibes of this movie.
[00:41:29] June Diane Raphael: Okay, great.
[00:41:30] Paul Scheer: Oh man, I love this.
[00:41:31] June Diane Raphael: Now listen, here's, here's something I wasn't clear on. What happened, okay, by the way, just so you know, the, the end of the movie I thought, "Oh, this is the first time we're seeing thrashing." And that was when, during the LA massacre, Hook tries to, as they're going downhill, push and, and, uh-
[00:41:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:41:51] June Diane Raphael: Like elbow Josh Brolin out of the path. I thought, "Oh, that's, now we're at the event."
[00:41:56] Jason Mantzoukas: I think that's-
[00:41:57] June Diane Raphael: Now that's thrashing ...
[00:41:57] Jason Mantzoukas: I agree with you. I do think that is meant to be quote unquote thrashing.
[00:42:01] June Diane Raphael: It is?
[00:42:02] Jason Mantzoukas: I think that's, I think that would be, that would qualify as thrashing, like, like if they, if being aggressive, skating aggressively, skating to, to hurt people to knock people off the course to- yeah ... I think that is probably-
[00:42:14] June Diane Raphael: But what hap- how did Hook, I think I just missed it, how did he, how did he fly off-
[00:42:22] Jason Mantzoukas: It wasn't set up well.
[00:42:22] Paul Scheer: Sometimes th- sometimes they're flying off as if they hit a, like, a, a, like a cartoon spring. 'Cause the way their bodies are flying-
[00:42:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:42:31] Paul Scheer: ... it's almost they were catapulted into the air.
[00:42:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:42:33] Paul Scheer: We don't know.
[00:42:33] Jason Mantzoukas: They really, they really couldn't do a good job of it. They, they... I will say, um, Josh Brolin clearly skateboarding in a number of these scenes.
[00:42:41] June Diane Raphael: Yes.
[00:42:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, like visibly on a skateboard doing st-
[00:42:45] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:42:45] Jason Mantzoukas: ... not stunts, but doing skateboarding.
[00:42:47] June Diane Raphael: Mm-hmm.
[00:42:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, as is this kid, uh, who's playing Hook as well. And so they may-
[00:42:52] Paul Scheer: By the way, Hook originally supposed to be Johnny Depp, 'cause Sherilyn Fenn and Johnny Depp were dating at that point.
[00:42:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Whoa.
[00:42:58] Paul Scheer: And this, uh, director was like, "He had a wimpy handshake, so I was like, nah, we gotta cast a real guy." And I was like-
[00:43:06] June Diane Raphael: Wow.
[00:43:06] Paul Scheer: Oh. I mean, wow, 'cause Johnny Depp would've eaten that up. And he's so g- He would'a... Like, that era of Johnny Depp-
[00:43:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:43:14] Paul Scheer: ... the 21 Jump Street era would have been, it would have been great.
[00:43:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, that's the thing that is a bummer is I think Brolin is terrific, and not to take anything away from this actor playing Hook, but he wasn't a good enough bad guy for me.
[00:43:28] Paul Scheer: I agree.
[00:43:28] Jason Mantzoukas: You know? Like, I would've loved it if he had a little bit more m-
[00:43:32] Paul Scheer: Didn't seem scary.
[00:43:32] Jason Mantzoukas: ... I don't know, mustache twirling or some, some, just s- s- a, a sense of true malice. Which is hard because he's also taking, trying to take care of his younger sister, which I appreciate, you know? Um, but he...
[00:43:44] June Diane Raphael: Well, I appreciate it as well, except she seems like she doesn't need taking, you, she doesn't need to be taken care of.
[00:43:52] Paul Scheer: She seems like she's...
[00:43:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. She doesn't. It, it, that's partially because, a, she seems to us, uh, like she's 31 years old, which she is.
[00:43:58] June Diane Raphael: Correct.
[00:43:59] Jason Mantzoukas: I believe, supposed to be, like, 15.
[00:44:00] June Diane Raphael: Like, if she pulls out a, a two-year-old and is like, "I'm also a single mom," I'd be like, "Yeah, of course."
[00:44:05] Jason Mantzoukas: She's like, "I'm a real estate agent at Coldwell Banker."
[00:44:09] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:44:12] Paul Scheer: There is a moment though-
[00:44:13] June Diane Raphael: I also sell Mary Kay. Like, all of it would be in line with what I was seeing.
[00:44:18] Paul Scheer: But she does say a thing, uh, where she goes, "How do you know Mom and Dad didn't send me to check up on you?" And I'm like, oh, that actually feels like, is that true? But also-
[00:44:27] June Diane Raphael: Was it?
[00:44:28] Jason Mantzoukas: ... Nobody has parents. Nobody has parents in the whole movie. That's awesome. That's crazy.
[00:44:34] Paul Scheer: It's a, it's, it is a Charlie... I mean, who's, who's watching that 13-year-old kid? He's out too late.
[00:44:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:44:40] Paul Scheer: And, and, like, so he is, Josh Brolin's living in the camper van behind the house of the other kids who seem to be about his same age, who don't have parents, but yet that 13-year-old I think also lives in that house.
[00:44:53] Jason Mantzoukas: I don't know. I don't- This is an era where feral children were commonplace, and it wa- now, like, if you let your, your, if you let your 10-year-old walk 10 blocks to the store and back, you can be arrested. But, uh, this is an era when, like, kids just ran roughshod all over-
[00:45:11] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, this was.
[00:45:11] Paul Scheer: Did we talk about this on this show? If we did, I, forgive, forgive me, but there were ads-
[00:45:16] Jason Mantzoukas: I will not forgive you. Uh. Just so you know.
[00:45:19] Paul Scheer: There were ads when I growing up, it goes, "It's 10:00 PM."
[00:45:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah.
[00:45:23] Paul Scheer: "Do you know where your children are?"
[00:45:24] June Diane Raphael: Of course.
[00:45:25] Paul Scheer: Like, that's wild. So the TV, like, hey, like, people at, at television stations were like, "Hey, we gotta remind these parents to, like, it's 10:00. They gotta get their-" Yeah, they, they should be- "... the kids should be home by this-"
[00:45:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Remember you have kids. Go find them.
[00:45:37] Paul Scheer: Like, that is, so that just is speaking to how many kids were just out- Yeah ... and, and, and-
[00:45:44] June Diane Raphael: Yep.
[00:45:44] Paul Scheer: ... not being looked after at all.
[00:45:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Nope.
[00:45:46] Paul Scheer: At 10:00 PM, that's when you have to be a parent again.
[00:45:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. That's when you need to check back in. That, I, I always think that that is, like, it's, it speaks volumes, 'cause it's not a thing about the movies, it is just the way that people were living their lives. It was-
[00:46:01] June Diane Raphael: Well, yeah. I mean, I didn't have to come back, like, especially over the summer, like, my parents did have to come out and get me at 10:00.
[00:46:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah.
[00:46:08] Paul Scheer: Just find you.
[00:46:09] June Diane Raphael: You know?
[00:46:10] Paul Scheer: Just find you out and about. Me, oh, gosh, I mean, my-
[00:46:13] Jason Mantzoukas: My mom would ring a bell. My mom would ring a-
[00:46:16] June Diane Raphael: Wow.
[00:46:17] Jason Mantzoukas: ... a cowbell.
[00:46:18] June Diane Raphael: That's awesome.
[00:46:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Because it could be heard longer than her shouting voice.
[00:46:22] June Diane Raphael: Wow.
[00:46:23] Paul Scheer: Wow, wow, wow.
[00:46:24] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, that was different.
[00:46:24] Paul Scheer: Meanwhile, I rode a rollercoaster in Las Vegas with one son. I had the other son waiting at the exit of the rollercoaster, and he got scared that I was gone for too long.
[00:46:34] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh.
[00:46:35] Paul Scheer: I was like, "You saw us leave." He... uh, yeah, like, yeah, they, they would not, uh, I, I couldn't make our kids leave the house for that long if I tried. Um, the, uh, interesting, like, little side note, we've talked a lot about the production design, especially that house, which is amazing. Would it surprise you to know that the production designer on this movie was Twilight director Katharine Hardwicke?
[00:46:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, wow.
[00:46:59] June Diane Raphael: Oh my goodness.
[00:47:00] Paul Scheer: Yes.
[00:47:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Love that.
[00:47:00] Paul Scheer: And, and to your point, uh, she was a film director who made Lords of Dogtown.
[00:47:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah. That's right.
[00:47:09] June Diane Raphael: Well, I have to say- Oh, isn't that funny? She, I thought she did a great job with the-
[00:47:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah
[00:47:12] June Diane Raphael: Dagger's house.
[00:47:13] Paul Scheer: She said Dagger's house was a legitimate Hollywood crack house. And she almost got killed every day-
[00:47:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.
[00:47:22] Paul Scheer: ... walking to set.
[00:47:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh my God. That's so sketchy.
[00:47:25] June Diane Raphael: Yeah, that place had a- Yeah ... it didn't feel-
[00:47:27] Paul Scheer: It had a vibe.
[00:47:27] June Diane Raphael: ... yeah, it didn't-
[00:47:28] Jason Mantzoukas: It felt dangerous.
[00:47:29] June Diane Raphael: ... It did. It didn't feel like, oh, someone created this. Like, it had a, there, there was a texture about it where it felt like very bad things have happened here.
[00:47:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, and I, like, a lot of the graffiti was good. I loved, too, the, um, how much, the, the, the great scene i- when Josh Brolin and Chrissy are, they're having, like, one of their dates, and he's showing her the image that he's drawn- which is what he wants to be the graphic design on his skateboard, which is a spider carrying a beautiful woman in its claws. Or I was like-
[00:48:04] Paul Scheer: It looks like the spider is about to-
[00:48:05] Jason Mantzoukas: I fucking love this
[00:48:06] Paul Scheer: ... eat this woman, and-
[00:48:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:48:08] Paul Scheer: ... and her reaction to it, and this is why this movie is special, she's like, "Do you wanna be held like that?"
[00:48:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:48:14] Paul Scheer: I'm like, whoa.
[00:48:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:48:15] Paul Scheer: What?
[00:48:15] Jason Mantzoukas: That's what tu- that's what transitions into the sex scene.
[00:48:18] June Diane Raphael: It's so crazy.
[00:48:18] Jason Mantzoukas: "Do you wanna be held like that?"
[00:48:20] June Diane Raphael: So she's asking, "Do you wanna be the woman in this picture?"
[00:48:23] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:48:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:48:24] Paul Scheer: And he's kinda like, "Yeah, I do."
[00:48:25] Jason Mantzoukas: And, and his answer is tacitly yes. It's so, it's really great, and, and it's so teenage to be like, "The, check out this thing I drew that I'm gonna put on my skateboard."
[00:48:37] June Diane Raphael: Yeah.
[00:48:38] Paul Scheer: And, and it's like this corny- especially after you saw the, the bad version of it that he had on his skateboard earlier, which is also so- like, it didn't look good, and she's like, "What is that supposed to be, a spider?" Or like, he's like-
[00:48:48] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, it made me feel, that scene especially made me feel like she was older than him and was, like, the aggressor.
[00:48:55] June Diane Raphael: Mm-hmm.
[00:48:56] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:48:56] Jason Mantzoukas: You know? In a way that, like-
[00:48:57] June Diane Raphael: So that would've been a woman-boy scene?
[00:48:59] Jason Mantzoukas: Correct.
[00:49:00] Paul Scheer: Oh.
[00:49:00] Jason Mantzoukas: Maybe.
[00:49:01] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:49:01] Jason Mantzoukas: It's a, what you think is a girl bo- a boy-girl scene turns into a woman-boy scene.
[00:49:07] Paul Scheer: Well, I would also say it's one of those rare instances of a, of a woman-boy scene where the boy becomes a man.
[00:49:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Whoa.
[00:49:15] Paul Scheer: And so we're watching-
[00:49:17] June Diane Raphael: Amazing scene.
[00:49:17] Paul Scheer: It starts, it starts as a woman-boy, and then it becomes a woman-man.
[00:49:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay, so a boy and a girl enter, and a man and a woman leave?
[00:49:25] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:49:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow. Well, they do, I mean, they do have sex, so I mean, this is a rite of passage.
[00:49:32] Paul Scheer: Oh my-
[00:49:33] June Diane Raphael: Oh my God. I was obsessed with the necklace he gave her. The fact that he was-
[00:49:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Obsessed.
[00:49:38] June Diane Raphael: Wearing, that he was wearing a necklace. It wasn't even on leather. It was on, like, a, it's not lanyard. It wasn't a chain. It was like a black, um, piece of string almost, but like thick, shiny l- string. And I couldn't tell what it was at first. I didn't have my glasses on watching, and I was like Oh, I guess he gave her some sort of a pet, like a skull and crossbow, or a cross, or I don't... then to realize at a certain point, it's a skateboard.
[00:50:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:50:11] Paul Scheer: A little baby skateboard.
[00:50:12] June Diane Raphael: It's a little baby skateboard. 'Cause, you know, you take your interests and you take your hobbies and you take the things you care about, and then you make little charms out of them.
[00:50:22] Jason Mantzoukas: And by the way-
[00:50:22] June Diane Raphael: And you wear them.
[00:50:23] Paul Scheer: ... He's wearing it in the f- he's wearing it in the beginning of the movie. He's wearing that little skate, you know?
[00:50:26] June Diane Raphael: Yes, the big deal that he gives it to her.
[00:50:28] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean, he, like, it's his promise ring. I'm looking at a picture of it now. You're right. It, it, it is just a black piece of string- ... or like a rope, like a, like a shoelace if you-
[00:50:36] June Diane Raphael: Rope. Yes, yes, yes ...
[00:50:37] Paul Scheer: And so he had to go find that and, and-
[00:50:40] June Diane Raphael: Oh, my God.
[00:50:40] Paul Scheer: I mean st- uh, by the way, this is a movie all about accessories because even when, uh, when Hook, um, is gonna go on the LA massacre, he gets that, like, Nintendo glove, kinda spiky arm thing-
[00:50:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.
[00:50:53] Paul Scheer: ... and everyone's gathered around him like, "What do we think of this? What do we think of my accessory here, guys? What do we...
[00:50:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[00:50:58] Paul Scheer: Like, this is a movie about straight up fashion.
[00:51:00] Jason Mantzoukas: And, and the joust, he paints, like, Deadpool eyes on his eyes. Yes. Like, like- Yeah ... big purple weird eyes around his eyes. The, I, I would like to talk about briefly the joust.
[00:51:12] Paul Scheer: Oh, please. Let's get into it.
[00:51:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Why... So, I- I understand the idea of like, okay, we wanna have a la, uh, uh, uh, Sharks and Jets. We wanna have a gang fight-
[00:51:23] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:51:23] Jason Mantzoukas: ... uh, between these two, um, skate gangs, but mustn't they have to do it on their skateboard? So how would that work? Okay, so it's a joust. Okay, I can kind of even see that, but why wouldn't it just be like a joust, everybody's holding, like, a broomstick or a something to knock the person off their horse?
[00:51:43] That's what a joust is.
[00:51:44] Paul Scheer: Right.
[00:51:44] Jason Mantzoukas: But instead, they've got weighted punching bags. Yeah. So they have to do this, which would immediately throw you off balance from skateboarding to wing around this thing at the end of a chain. Like, that doesn't make any sense for having to also balance at the same time.
[00:52:00] June Diane Raphael: And that's not jousting.
[00:52:02] Jason Mantzoukas: Not at all jousting. That's some other, that's like having a mace or something.
[00:52:05] Paul Scheer: Well, and, and the, the bag is full of rocks, and it's really-
[00:52:08] Jason Mantzoukas: It is. Okay, that's what I didn't know. Okay.
[00:52:10] Paul Scheer: ... And it's gonna hit you in the belly. Now, when you watch this Jackass recreation of it, which I, I, I gotta, I'm gonna send it to you guys because it's so funny. The. When it's actually happening in real life, when you're actually hitting someone with a bag of rocks in the belly, not only does the person getting hit fall off the skateboard, but the person wielding the, the, the mace-
[00:52:31] June Diane Raphael: Of course.
[00:52:31] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes, of course.
[00:52:31] Paul Scheer: ... Falls. So basically you get one run at each other and you're both down. You're, you're -
[00:52:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. Well, because you, there's no way you would be able to maintain balance while swinging a heavy object-
[00:52:42] June Diane Raphael: No way.
[00:52:42] Jason Mantzoukas: ... that's at the end, that is itself at the end of a chain.
[00:52:46] Paul Scheer: Which is why it's so fulfilling that at the end of this, it's like, "Oh, he's off. Let me just run and just jump on top-
[00:52:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes
[00:52:52] Paul Scheer: and start beating the shit out of him."
[00:52:54] Jason Mantzoukas: Like, I mean- That made... The j- the joust was ridiculous, and there were so many people there, but that's when I was like, I love this. That's what gave me the vibes of also, like, um, a lot of, like, the movies we've seen, like the teen movies where it's, like, a underground dance competition.
[00:53:09] June Diane Raphael: Mm. Yes.
[00:53:09] Jason Mantzoukas: You know?
[00:53:09] June Diane Raphael: Mm-hmm.
[00:53:09] Jason Mantzoukas: I love it when it's the non-sanctioned version. That always has more juice to me than the official race or fight or whatever.
[00:53:17] Paul Scheer: And, and I think what we're led to believe is, like, the Daggers live an unsanctioned life. I mean, yeah, they're in a crack house, but they're also... When they jump a car in the middle of traffic and, like, dent a roof, like, they are just creating havoc in on Hollywood Boulevard. Now, they clearly shot that, I feel like, with hidden cameras, 'cause people are like, "What is going on?"
[00:53:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah.
[00:53:39] Paul Scheer: The, the streets are clearing, uh, for them, and I was like, this is... It's dangerous. It's annoying. It's gr- it's great. It really is like a Jackass, the movie, uh, or Jackass TV show kind of prank, but they are so aggressive. I mean, all they're doing is just creating skate... Like, they're the reason why we hate skate-
[00:53:58] June Diane Raphael: They're thrashing, babe.
[00:53:58] Paul Scheer: Yeah. They're thrashing.
[00:53:59] Jason Mantzoukas: They're thrashing.
[00:53:59] Paul Scheer: They're thrashing. That's it. I guess you're right.
[00:54:01] Jason Mantzoukas: It felt very authentically teen in those, uh, Hollywood Boulevard kind of run in the streets being... Like, that felt like being teenagers and running around, running amok.
[00:54:10] Paul Scheer: Now, now Jason and June, you both, uh, are incredibly talented writers. You've created-
[00:54:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, thanks, man.
[00:54:16] Paul Scheer: ... many, many things. I w- I'd love to show you-
[00:54:18] June Diane Raphael: Are we?
[00:54:18] Paul Scheer: The pitch document that the producer of this film used to make it. We can describe it as we see it, but Scott, can we get that up on the screen here? This is what the, uh, the producer, Alan Sachs, uh-
[00:54:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Ah. Okay.
[00:54:30] Paul Scheer: ... Alan Sachs, a former writer for Welcome Back, Carter, this is how he pitched the movie. It is a sheet of white paper, and it says, uh, "Skate Thrashin' by Alan Sachs and, uh, Paul Brown."
[00:54:42] It says, "Skate or die. Stay away from my sister." Uh, and it says, uh, "Primo is great. Freestyle. Visual as hell." It looks like a bad zine.
[00:54:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay, wait a minute. I gotta point something out to you, that he has misspelled joust, and so had to put a tiny U next to the- He, he said, "Hawk challenges Cory to a joust." Um, and then had to insert a tiny U above the O in between the S, uh, and the O.
[00:55:12] Wow.
[00:55:12] Paul Scheer: We will have this up on our social media, but w- I want you... I, I just want everyone to take in that this is, this... I don't even know what this is. This is like, this is a zine that wouldn't even catch your attention.
[00:55:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow. Visual as all hell. Fuck, that's awesome.
[00:55:27] June Diane Raphael: I mean, I- it's caught my attention.
[00:55:29] Jason Mantzoukas: By the way, it, it wor- it worked, clearly.
[00:55:32] June Diane Raphael: I'm looking at it- Yeah ... and I'm like, "Wow, what does that say over there? Oh, let me see this picture. Oh, let me..." Like, it's, it is catching my attention.
[00:55:39] Jason Mantzoukas: And what is clear to me now is that that character's name is Hawk, not Hook.
[00:55:44] Paul Scheer: Oh, well it was a. It was supposed to be... It was Hawk. He switched it to Hook- I think because of the Tony Hawk thing.
[00:55:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. Ah. Hawk. Makes, makes sense. Yes. Makes sense. Okay, got it. Okay. Freest- oh, I love that. "Freestyle, it's like breakin'." And they spelled breakin' without the G as well. Um, and I loved that moment, and it was right in my notes. I wrote, it, it was so, um, right on. I was like, "Oh, wow, they're treating skating like the, like the break dance movies where it's different crews who are going against each other. It has the same framework as a breaking movie." And then they come up on the break dancers at Venice Beach, and the skaters are like, "Breakin' is a memory." I was like, "Fuck, they are-"
[00:56:23] June Diane Raphael: What a... By the way, what a burn.
[00:56:26] Jason Mantzoukas: What a burn.
[00:56:27] June Diane Raphael: To say something is a memory.
[00:56:29] Jason Mantzoukas: It's a memory, and the breakers, like, have to be like, "Yeah, you're right." They're like, "Wow."
[00:56:34] June Diane Raphael: It's a memory.
[00:56:34] Jason Mantzoukas: They back, they back down immediately. A memory for wimps. Oh my gosh. Uh, Scott says.
[00:56:40] June Diane Raphael: It's crazy. It's like-
[00:56:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah ...
[00:56:42] June Diane Raphael: to say something's a memory, it's like you're not even saying it's good or bad.
[00:56:46] Jason Mantzoukas: No.
[00:56:46] June Diane Raphael: It's just gone.
[00:56:47] Jason Mantzoukas: It's forgotten.
[00:56:48] June Diane Raphael: It's not, it's forgotten.
[00:56:49] Jason Mantzoukas: It's forgotten. And you know what I'm now thinking of it too. There's not a lot of swearing. There's very little slurs.
[00:56:56] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:56:56] Jason Mantzoukas: There's, like this is the kind of movie-
[00:56:58] Paul Scheer: It's clean.
[00:56:59] Jason Mantzoukas: ... it is clean-
[00:57:00] June Diane Raphael: Very.
[00:57:00] Jason Mantzoukas: ... in a surprising way because these groups of teens would normally be hurling, you know, epithets and swears at each other, and it doesn't, but that doesn't make the movie feel any less authentic.
[00:57:11] Paul Scheer: Well, maybe, Jason, because everyone is stone cold white too. I mean, this is a movie that I-
[00:57:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, I guess I didn't notice that. I guess, yes, everybody in fact is in fact very white. Yes.
[00:57:20] June Diane Raphael: Well, when, uh, the one w- curse word I, I remember, 'cause I was so confused, is when the little kid who's a part of the Ramp Locals is sitting in the car, the V- when it's the VW, in the back of the car, he's like, "Ugh, this is the, I don't wanna sit, ride bitch anymore."
[00:57:38] Paul Scheer: Bitch.
[00:57:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah.
[00:57:40] June Diane Raphael: But he's, I thought riding bitch was being in the middle.
[00:57:44] Paul Scheer: I, June, this is why we are married. I wrote that down too. I was like, "Bitch is being in the middle."
[00:57:48] Jason Mantzoukas: I believe that's the case as well.
[00:57:50] Paul Scheer: Not in... Yeah, you're not the back seat.
[00:57:51] June Diane Raphael: But he's on the side.
[00:57:52] Paul Scheer: Yeah.
[00:57:52] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. I don't know.
[00:57:53] Paul Scheer: I think he, I think in his world, bitch is just back seat.
[00:57:56] Jason Mantzoukas: I think they just wanted kids to say bitch.
[00:57:59] June Diane Raphael: Well, then he's, he's asking for a lot.
[00:58:01] Paul Scheer: Well, by the way, yeah, the kid should be in the backseat just from a legal- from, like, a safety standpoint. Um, I do wanna point out one thing, uh, because I'm looking at my research that I didn't read before, sadly, um, that that moment in the downhill massacre race, uh, that's skating legend Jesse Martinez, who is getting worked on by paramedics for real.
[00:58:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, wow.
[00:58:23] Paul Scheer: Because when he was shooting the movie, he hurt himself.
[00:58:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, wow.
[00:58:26] Paul Scheer: And those are real paramedics setting his leg, and that whole section is based on something real because from 1975 to 1978 in Signal Hill, California, near Long Beach, they would do these things where you would skateboard, like, around 60 miles an hour on, like, a 30-degree incline.
[00:58:42] Uh, and the reason why it stopped was because people were getting hurt a lot.
[00:58:46] Jason Mantzoukas: I, I really... The, the documentary, and I looked it up, and it, the documentary, this blew my mind, is from 2001. It's so old. Uh, uh, uh, Dogtown and Z-Boys is a terrific documentary about this era of skating and these characters who are true characters. You know? Uh, really great.
[00:59:05] Paul Scheer: All right. So obviously we have an opinion about this movie, and other people, uh, might have a different one. It is now time for second opinions.
[00:59:19] Music: [Second Opinions Song]
[00:59:20] Paul Scheer: All right, so, uh, there are only 546 reviews. That's actually pretty low for us.
[00:59:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Huh.
[00:59:25] Paul Scheer: On Amazon, 82% of them are five-star. There are zero one-star reviews, and I'll just start off with ones that are just incredibly loving, like this one from Brett Elliott. He writes,
[00:59:37] "Without a doubt the best '80s skateboarding movie ever. You can skip Lords of Dogtown. This is the quintessential depiction of skateboarding culture in 1984. I had no idea how much I would love this movie before watching it. Just skip past the romantic relationship stuff."
[00:59:56] Jason Mantzoukas: What?
[00:59:56] Paul Scheer: Five stars.
[00:59:57] Jason Mantzoukas: No way.
[00:59:59] Paul Scheer: Uh, Russ says,
[01:00:00] "In reality, this is a horribly made movie, but in the '80s, skateboard culture was my life. It's still one of my favorite movies and I watch it a couple times a year. Yes, I have the standard M Blu-ray on disc, but it's nice to have it streaming so I don't have to get off my fat ass to watch it." Five stars.
[01:00:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.
[01:00:20] June Diane Raphael: Oh, my.
[01:00:21] Paul Scheer: Uh, and then, um, this is what I wanna end on because this is an odd one. It's a little bit of a journey, but I think it's worth it. It's by Mr. Sneaky Man, and this is actually something we found on-
[01:00:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, I don't like it.
[01:00:33] June Diane Raphael: Oh.
[01:00:33] Jason Mantzoukas: I already don't like it.
[01:00:35] Paul Scheer: So this is from, uh, Mr. Sneaky Man. It's written on Letterboxd.
[01:00:38] Jason Mantzoukas: Ugh, I don't... You know what? It's not just that I don't like it, it's I don't like when you say it.
[01:00:42] Paul Scheer: I know. I said it in a way that w- it kinda gelded the lily here.
[01:00:46] Um-
[01:00:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Gelded the lily?
[01:00:48] Paul Scheer: Gelded.
[01:00:48] Jason Mantzoukas: From someone who had horses, that is a chilling statement. That poor lily.
[01:00:54] Paul Scheer: I, we gotta cut its balls off. All right. Mr. Sneaky Man writes this:
[01:00:59] "I promise this story is true. I once worked at a crazy restaurant where half the workers worshiped this movie. They were all skaters, and they were good. They privately called themselves The Daggers. They were The Secret Daggers. Then another crew of skaters moved in next door. They were much louder and more in your face, right? But they were also really good, and they publicly referred to themselves as The Daggers, and they even had scarification brands in the shape of daggers on their skin to back up their claim. So the branded Daggers started hanging out at the restaurant's bar after hours, and shit got tense. Both Dagger crews were constantly talking shit about each other behind each other's backs."
[01:01:47] June Diane Raphael: What is happening?
[01:01:48] Paul Scheer: "Sadly, nothing major ever came of it."
[01:01:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh.
[01:01:51] Paul Scheer: "Although there were a couple of minor skate/snowboard, uh, schoolings and a metric fuck ton of mudslinging, but that's about it. Both crews ended up dissolving and scattering to the four winds. Nevertheless, it was funny as hell to witness two groups of people who worshiped a semi-obscure movie meet each other and decide that the other group was unworthy of the recognition that the other one wanted."
[01:02:16] Jason Mantzoukas: I fucking love this.
[01:02:16] Paul Scheer: "It was like planets colliding all over this stupid fucking movie."
[01:02:21] Jason Mantzoukas: That is great.
[01:02:22] June Diane Raphael: Wow.
[01:02:22] Paul Scheer: The reason why I believe it's true is because it, it goes, nothing happened.
[01:02:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.
[01:02:27] Paul Scheer: It was just people.
[01:02:29] Jason Mantzoukas: I love that, though. That's really funny. Oh. Well, then, I mean, like, it really, this movie, and I haven't seen it, uh, before this, but would have really activated me as a kid, you know?
[01:02:40] Paul Scheer: Oh, yeah.
[01:02:41] Jason Mantzoukas: As a, this would have been the kind of, these kids had the kind of freedom that I truly desired, you know? Like, there are no parents in this movie at all, and boy, did that seem, like f- like freeing, you know? I loved that.
[01:02:56] Paul Scheer: Oh. Uh, now let me tell you, obviously we've, we've joked around about some of the performances here, but there's one person who has a very unique take on his performance, and I'm just gonna set up like that.
[01:03:07] Scott, play that clip.
[01:03:09] Josh Brolin Audio: I saw the movie, I went to the premiere, and I was like, "Your acting is so bad, you're hurting people."
[01:03:16] You, you thought that? But it-
[01:03:17] Yeah, dude.
[01:03:18] Did you think that in The Goonies?
[01:03:20] No. I didn't think I was brilliant. I thought I, I serviced the role.
[01:03:25] Right. But, but you were like-
[01:03:26] But that, I thought, and that was a great director, and he's cutting, and he's using the right moments, and all that kind of stuff. Like, they understa- That's what, when you work with better directors, it's not just about the performance, it's how they're cutting, what kind of music they're using-
[01:03:38] Yeah.
[01:03:38] ... who the editor is, all that kind of shit. And I watched Thrashin', which was obviously, it was, you know, you saw the cost.
[01:03:44] Yeah.
[01:03:44] It was a tiny movie.
[01:03:46] Yeah. Yes.
[01:03:46] You know? And then you see me like, "No, Chrissy, come back," you know, and you're just like, "Oh, fuck, dude."
[01:03:52] But do you think- Right. Okay, but hold on. On the, on the flip side of that, do you think that i- if, if your acting had been better, or if there was a D-
[01:04:00] There, there's no saving that movie.
[01:04:00] ... If there was a De Niro in the role-
[01:04:02] Yeah.
[01:04:02] Would that have saved the movie?
[01:04:03] No.
[01:04:04] No.
[01:04:05] So you're suggesting that the movie's bad?
[01:04:07] I'm- I didn't- I'm not saying anything, I'm just saying.
[01:04:11] Okay, I wasn't in it. It's terrible.
[01:04:13] It's pretty bad.
[01:04:14] See, last he said-
[01:04:15] It's so terrible, but it's awesome.
[01:04:17] ... it's so terrible it's awesome.
[01:04:19] This is, this is it's so terrible it's awesome.
[01:04:20] June Diane Raphael: I love him. I thought he was great.
[01:04:23] Paul Scheer: By the way, I actually think he's pretty good. Like, i- in the grand scheme of things-
[01:04:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, he's terrific.
[01:04:27] June Diane Raphael: ... he's terrific.
[01:04:27] Paul Scheer: He's terrific, yeah.
[01:04:28] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean, again, how old is he in this? He's got 18? You know, something like that.
[01:04:31] Paul Scheer: Yeah, I mean, yeah, he's-
[01:04:32] June Diane Raphael: And that's what he's giving, like it's, it's perfect.
[01:04:35] Paul Scheer: He is the best.
[01:04:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Now, uh, let me say this. If I was looking at even, like m- uh, one of my first roles from when I was, whatever, 34, I would still be, like cringing the way he's cringing. I get it.
[01:04:49] June Diane Raphael: Of course.
[01:04:49] Paul Scheer: Oh my God.
[01:04:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, but he does not in any way stick out in this movie more so than anybody else does, you know? Um, he's servicing the movie. It's great.
[01:04:58] Paul Scheer: By the way, should we make a T-shirt for this movie where it's just the little black chain and a skateboard, like a necklace, like that's all it is? It looks like you're we- it's a white shirt-
[01:05:06] June Diane Raphael: I love that.
[01:05:06] Paul Scheer: ... But it looks like you're wearing, like just a skateboard necklace. I think I would like that.
[01:05:11] June Diane Raphael: Love it.
[01:05:11] Jason Mantzoukas: And it's, and it's thrashing, and it just says thrashing.
[01:05:15] Paul Scheer: Like over the pocket. Uh, oh man. Well, let's see if we can get that, uh, going. Well, I, I wanna say to everybody, thank you for thrashing with us. Uh, however you, uh, choose to thrash, we salute you. Uh, and, uh, Jason and June, always a pleasure.
[01:05:30] We have live shows coming up at Largo at the end of this month. You can just go to HDTGM.com. That's where you can get our merch. You can get everything you want there. But if you have a correction or omission, and now Jason, you recently retitled this section.
[01:05:42] Jason Mantzoukas: I did?
[01:05:43] Paul Scheer: Uh, when you were hosting the, uh-
[01:05:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yes, opinions and context. Yeah, I don't need to be corrected. None of us ever need to be corrected.
[01:05:50] Paul Scheer: Well, there you go.
[01:05:51] Jason Mantzoukas: And an omission suggests that we left something out, and that's wrong. So I think it is an opinion. Write in with your opinions or context.
[01:05:59] Paul Scheer: I, I agree with that, and if you want to leave us a voicemail, which we really love, you can leave us a message by just going to Fuckingcallpaul.com or Speakpipe.com/HDTGM.
[01:06:10] Uh, and you can leave all your comments on the Discord at Discord.gg/HDTGM. Uh, get your messages in by the Monday after this episode drops to make sure they get, uh, considered for Last Looks. Okay, Jason, June, anything you wanna plug?
[01:06:22] June Diane Raphael: Um, Elle, the first season of Elle, is, uh, streaming now-
[01:06:27] Paul Scheer: So funny, so good.
[01:06:28] June Diane Raphael: ... On Prime Video, so please go check that out. It's a really sweet show.
[01:06:31] Paul Scheer: Yeah, watch it on El- you have a number one, and this show has been number one on Amazon now for, uh, weeks. It's a hit.
[01:06:38] June Diane Raphael: You love to hear it.
[01:06:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, so exciting.
[01:06:40] Paul Scheer: A real hit.
[01:06:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, no, I, you know what? Just because we recently, Paul, you and I went back to New York and did, uh, another installment of the Chris Gethard-
[01:06:48] Paul Scheer: Oh, yes, yes.
[01:06:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Guess What's in the Dumpster show, um, I will promote the first instance of it, which exists for free on YouTube. It is called, um, Another Man's Trash, and it is you and me on Chris Gethard's old show trying to guess what's inside of a dumpster, and it is worth everybody stopping down and spending 45 minutes to watch this incredible episode of television.
[01:07:10] Paul Scheer: And I think you can actually watch one we did in New York too. I'm not sure, but you, you can find it out on the Gethard-
[01:07:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, awesome.
[01:07:14] Paul Scheer: Yeah, I think he taped it like that. Remember, if you listen to us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, please make sure you are subscribed to our feed and have automatic downloads turned on in the show settings.
[01:07:22] It helps us, and we appreciate it. Lastly, I gotta give a huge thanks to our behind-the-scenes team. I'm talking about our producer, Scott Sonne, Molly Reynolds, our engineer, Casey Holford, and our social media manager, Zoe Applebaum. We got so much good stuff going on on our social media. Check it out. We'll put some of the clips that we had here out there, like the Jackass thing, the pitch presentation, and we will forever be grateful to the one and only Avaryl Halley.
[01:07:44] That's all I got, people. See you next time on Last Looks. Bye for now.
[01:07:48] June Diane Raphael: Bye.